Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
^^ Honestly, we deserve this humiliation and == with a turd world state like TSP if we keep believing the same scum again and again even after being mercilessly slapped around!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
SSridhar ji,SSridhar wrote:Pakistan civil society seeks peace
This is another canard being propagated these days by the RAPE and is being consumed by the liberal elites in India. These RAPEs are on a secret mission to influence Indian policy-making and GoI's policies are being framed on this wrong premise.
Her research findings suggested trade potential between the two countries is between $20 billion and $30 billion, while current trade is less than $2 billion. Items with largest export potential from India to Pakistan include machineries, mechanical appliances and electrical equipment, and chemicals and textiles. Textile, jewellery, precious metals and base metals have the highest import potential from Pakistan. “In Pakistan, the automobile sector is protected while India fears textile imports — where Pakistan enjoys a comparative advantage.”
paki textiles (cotton) are high end and very expensive. Only geared towards an export market. Indian cotton textiles are low end and have mass appeal (cheap and best
) and an already existing huge local market. There will be great demand for very affordable Indian cotton textiles in pakiland but subdued demand for their cotton textiles in India. Paki cotton textiles are available in high end shops in Delhi. Very fine stuff and also very expensive. I baulked at the ridiculous prices. We have little to fear. We each service different ends of the market and don't have the capacity to venture into the others space. They don't seem to have a large synthetic cloth production capacity which we already have in abundance. As far as textiles are concerned we may have their testimonials in a vice.Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
I am not sure why you think Paki textiles are high end. What is their thread count? May be Paki's send to India only high end textiles. India too produces some of the finest textiles but probably they are reserved for export.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Kargil adventure was four-man show: general
The Kargil operation began in the summer of 1999 when Pakistani soldiers infiltrated into positions on the Indian side of the Line of Control.
The infiltration, which managed to cut off Indian supply lines, took New Delhi by surprise. — File Photo
ISLAMABAD: The men who witnessed the Kargil fiasco continue to spill the beans. Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz, a former chief of general staff of Pakistan Army who has till now kept his peace about what he witnessed in the summer of ’99, says the ‘misadventure’ was a four-man show the details of which were hidden from the rest of the military commanders initially.
This is the first time someone this senior in the military hierarchy of the time has spoken in such detail and with such frankness about the fiasco that was Kargil.
According to him, initially the Kargil operation was known only to Gen Pervez Musharraf, chief of general staff Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz, FCNA (Force Command Northern Areas) commander Lt Gen Javed Hassan and 10-Corps commander Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad.
The majority of corps commanders and principal staff officers were kept in the dark, says Gen Aziz. “Even the-then director general military operations (DGMO) Lt Gen Tauqir Zia came to know about it later,” says Gen Aziz who at the time was serving as director general of the analysis wing of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
He said that Gen Musharraf worked on a policy of “need to know” throughout his tenure as COAS and later president — in other words, Musharraf would issue orders to only those who were required to implement orders instead of first consulting corps commanders and other military officers.
The Kargil operation began in the summer of 1999 when Pakistani soldiers infiltrated into positions on the Indian side of the Line of Control.
The infiltration, which managed to cut off Indian supply lines, took New Delhi by surprise.
Initially, Islamabad claimed that the infiltrators were mujahideen but it could not maintain this façade for long. The Indian response coupled with international pressure forced the Pakistan military to withdraw.
However, the aftermath of the operation served to heighten tensions between Gen Musharraf and then prime minister Nawaz Sharif which culminated in the October coup when the military removed the elected government and took over.
‘Operation was never planned’
“The Pakistan Army did not plan the operation because Gen Musharraf never saw Kargil as a major operation. Only the FCNA was involved in it and perhaps a section of 10-Corps,” says Aziz, adding that it was a major intelligence failure for India. More details of the operation are expected in Gen Aziz’s book which is hitting the bookshelves next week.
“It was a miscalculated move,” he says when asked about the operation, adding that “its objectives were not clear and its ramifications were not properly evaluated”.
At his picturesque farmhouse in Pind Begwal in the foothills of Murree, about 30km from the capital, Gen Aziz was not averse to speaking frankly about the operation.
“It was a failure because we had to hide its objectives and results from our own people and the nation. It had no purpose, no planning and nobody knows even today how many soldiers lost their lives.”
He said he was personally not aware of what information had been shared with then prime minister Nawaz Sharif, but he felt that Mr Sharif “was not fully in the picture”.
He, however, recalls a general telling him that Nawaz Sharif asked “when are you giving us Kashmir?” during an informal discussion. This suggests, says Gen Aziz, that Mr Sharif was not completely in the dark.
Gen Aziz himself first discovered that something was up when he came across wireless communication intercepts from which he could tell that something was making the Indian forces panic.
“The intercepts worried me as I thought we were not aware of whatever was unsettling the Indians. I deputed two officers to figure out what was happening.” The next day’s wireless intercepts were clear enough for Gen Aziz to realise that the Indians’ anxiety stemmed from the fact that someone from Pakistan had captured some areas in Kargil-Drass sector but it was not clear if they were mujahideen or regular troops. “I took these intercepts to then ISI director general Lt Gen Ziauddin Butt and asked what was happening.”
It was then that Gen Aziz was finally told by Gen Butt that the army had captured some area in Kargil.
This, says Gen Aziz, was not right. In his opinion, he should have been told about the proposed operation in advance so that he could have provided his analysis in advance.
A day after this conversation between Aziz and Butt, the latter called Gen Aziz and told him that he had been invited to the General Headquarters for a briefing on Kargil.
The briefing
During the briefing, which was also attended by all the principal staff officers, Director General Military Operations Lt Gen Tauqir Zia explained that units of NLI (Northern Light Infantry) and regular troops had captured areas in the Drass-Kargil sector.
Aziz feels that even though the briefing was conducted by DGMO Tauqir Zia, it was clear that he had not been aware of the operation from the beginning.
The day after the DGMO briefing, the friction at Kargil operation was reported in the Pakistani media; interestingly, the Indian media had carried stories a day earlier.
This shows that the military leadership was informed about such a critical operation only after it began and by that time information was trickling down to the media.
At the briefing, Gen Zia did explain the ‘objectives’ of the operation — it had cut off India’s supply lines to Siachen because of the closure of Zojila Pass on Srinagar-Drass-Kargil-Leh road.
This, said Gen Zia, would block India from supplying its troops in Siachen and subsequently, India would evacuate Siachen. That this did not happen is now history.
Gen Aziz says this was because the planners “miscalculated the Indian response and overall repercussions”.
At the briefing, Gen Tauqir Zia talked about airing pre-recorded Pashto messages that he hoped would be intercepted by the Indian forces.
His objective was that these intercepts would fool India into thinking that the Afghan mujahideen had occupied areas in Kargil.
Gen Aziz says he objected to this plan as “these would get exposed very shortly”. He adds that this led to lengthy discussions and finally Tauqir Zia conceded that the truth could not be hidden for long.
In retrospect, Gen Aziz feels that “even if only NLI men were up there, it would be wrong to suggest that the operation was carried out by paramilitary forces because NLI falls under the military chain of command unlike the Rangers that are headed by a military officer but technically they fall under the control of the ministry of interior”.
The study that never was
But for Gen Aziz the end of the operation did not mean the end of the matter.
After he was promoted as chief of general staff, he says that in 2004 he ordered a small study to inquire into what miscalculations had led to
such a huge loss of men and money. He also asked each battalion concerned for details.
But the reaction was swift.
An angry Gen Musharraf called him and asked what the objectives of the study were. “I told him it would provide a professional understanding of our mistakes and losses but Gen Musharraf insisted that this was not the time for such a study and ordered that it be stopped.
The Kargil operation began in the summer of 1999 when Pakistani soldiers infiltrated into positions on the Indian side of the Line of Control.
The infiltration, which managed to cut off Indian supply lines, took New Delhi by surprise. — File Photo
ISLAMABAD: The men who witnessed the Kargil fiasco continue to spill the beans. Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz, a former chief of general staff of Pakistan Army who has till now kept his peace about what he witnessed in the summer of ’99, says the ‘misadventure’ was a four-man show the details of which were hidden from the rest of the military commanders initially.
This is the first time someone this senior in the military hierarchy of the time has spoken in such detail and with such frankness about the fiasco that was Kargil.
According to him, initially the Kargil operation was known only to Gen Pervez Musharraf, chief of general staff Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz, FCNA (Force Command Northern Areas) commander Lt Gen Javed Hassan and 10-Corps commander Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad.
The majority of corps commanders and principal staff officers were kept in the dark, says Gen Aziz. “Even the-then director general military operations (DGMO) Lt Gen Tauqir Zia came to know about it later,” says Gen Aziz who at the time was serving as director general of the analysis wing of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
He said that Gen Musharraf worked on a policy of “need to know” throughout his tenure as COAS and later president — in other words, Musharraf would issue orders to only those who were required to implement orders instead of first consulting corps commanders and other military officers.
The Kargil operation began in the summer of 1999 when Pakistani soldiers infiltrated into positions on the Indian side of the Line of Control.
The infiltration, which managed to cut off Indian supply lines, took New Delhi by surprise.
Initially, Islamabad claimed that the infiltrators were mujahideen but it could not maintain this façade for long. The Indian response coupled with international pressure forced the Pakistan military to withdraw.
However, the aftermath of the operation served to heighten tensions between Gen Musharraf and then prime minister Nawaz Sharif which culminated in the October coup when the military removed the elected government and took over.
‘Operation was never planned’
“The Pakistan Army did not plan the operation because Gen Musharraf never saw Kargil as a major operation. Only the FCNA was involved in it and perhaps a section of 10-Corps,” says Aziz, adding that it was a major intelligence failure for India. More details of the operation are expected in Gen Aziz’s book which is hitting the bookshelves next week.
“It was a miscalculated move,” he says when asked about the operation, adding that “its objectives were not clear and its ramifications were not properly evaluated”.
At his picturesque farmhouse in Pind Begwal in the foothills of Murree, about 30km from the capital, Gen Aziz was not averse to speaking frankly about the operation.
“It was a failure because we had to hide its objectives and results from our own people and the nation. It had no purpose, no planning and nobody knows even today how many soldiers lost their lives.”
He said he was personally not aware of what information had been shared with then prime minister Nawaz Sharif, but he felt that Mr Sharif “was not fully in the picture”.
He, however, recalls a general telling him that Nawaz Sharif asked “when are you giving us Kashmir?” during an informal discussion. This suggests, says Gen Aziz, that Mr Sharif was not completely in the dark.
Gen Aziz himself first discovered that something was up when he came across wireless communication intercepts from which he could tell that something was making the Indian forces panic.
“The intercepts worried me as I thought we were not aware of whatever was unsettling the Indians. I deputed two officers to figure out what was happening.” The next day’s wireless intercepts were clear enough for Gen Aziz to realise that the Indians’ anxiety stemmed from the fact that someone from Pakistan had captured some areas in Kargil-Drass sector but it was not clear if they were mujahideen or regular troops. “I took these intercepts to then ISI director general Lt Gen Ziauddin Butt and asked what was happening.”
It was then that Gen Aziz was finally told by Gen Butt that the army had captured some area in Kargil.
This, says Gen Aziz, was not right. In his opinion, he should have been told about the proposed operation in advance so that he could have provided his analysis in advance.
A day after this conversation between Aziz and Butt, the latter called Gen Aziz and told him that he had been invited to the General Headquarters for a briefing on Kargil.
The briefing
During the briefing, which was also attended by all the principal staff officers, Director General Military Operations Lt Gen Tauqir Zia explained that units of NLI (Northern Light Infantry) and regular troops had captured areas in the Drass-Kargil sector.
Aziz feels that even though the briefing was conducted by DGMO Tauqir Zia, it was clear that he had not been aware of the operation from the beginning.
The day after the DGMO briefing, the friction at Kargil operation was reported in the Pakistani media; interestingly, the Indian media had carried stories a day earlier.
This shows that the military leadership was informed about such a critical operation only after it began and by that time information was trickling down to the media.
At the briefing, Gen Zia did explain the ‘objectives’ of the operation — it had cut off India’s supply lines to Siachen because of the closure of Zojila Pass on Srinagar-Drass-Kargil-Leh road.
This, said Gen Zia, would block India from supplying its troops in Siachen and subsequently, India would evacuate Siachen. That this did not happen is now history.
Gen Aziz says this was because the planners “miscalculated the Indian response and overall repercussions”.
At the briefing, Gen Tauqir Zia talked about airing pre-recorded Pashto messages that he hoped would be intercepted by the Indian forces.
His objective was that these intercepts would fool India into thinking that the Afghan mujahideen had occupied areas in Kargil.
Gen Aziz says he objected to this plan as “these would get exposed very shortly”. He adds that this led to lengthy discussions and finally Tauqir Zia conceded that the truth could not be hidden for long.
In retrospect, Gen Aziz feels that “even if only NLI men were up there, it would be wrong to suggest that the operation was carried out by paramilitary forces because NLI falls under the military chain of command unlike the Rangers that are headed by a military officer but technically they fall under the control of the ministry of interior”.
The study that never was
But for Gen Aziz the end of the operation did not mean the end of the matter.
After he was promoted as chief of general staff, he says that in 2004 he ordered a small study to inquire into what miscalculations had led to
such a huge loss of men and money. He also asked each battalion concerned for details.
But the reaction was swift.
An angry Gen Musharraf called him and asked what the objectives of the study were. “I told him it would provide a professional understanding of our mistakes and losses but Gen Musharraf insisted that this was not the time for such a study and ordered that it be stopped.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
N-League ahead of PTI, PPP: US survey
The latest US survey of public opinions in Pakistan reveals that PML-N is now the most popular party in the country, followed by PTI and PPP.
Their latest survey declares PML-N the favourite on national level, with 32 per cent approval. The PTI is second with 18 per cent and the PPP is third with 14 per cent. PML-Q and JUI-F have two per cent each.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
http://yawn.com/2013/01/29/bokharis-stu ... ary-media/NAB Chairman Admiral (retd) Fasih Bokhari has directly accused members of the superior judiciary of trying to influence the outcome of the coming general election.
Admiral (retd) Bokhari, in a hard-hitting letter addressed to his appointing authority, the president, has cast serious doubts over the role of the Supreme Court which he said “could be seen as pre-poll rigging”.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
http://dailywhines.com.pk/default.asp?p ... 013_pg13_4The Punjab Health Department has decided that children who have not been vaccinated for measles, polio, hepatitis and TB will not be issued their birth certificates nor will they be allowed admission in schools.
More than 1,000 cases of measles have been reported in Punjab and most of them in Lahore
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
The A-Bomb Kid
So Phillips proposed a Term Paper to End All Term Papers: "How to Build Your Own Atomic Bomb." His instructor was Freeman Dyson, famed colleague of bomb-meisters Hans Bethe and Richard Feynman. But Dyson carefully avoided giving his student extra help. Phillips gathered declassified documents at the National Technical Information Service—"Oh, you want to build a bomb too?" a librarian asked him dryly—and many sleepless nights of calculations later, he pulled it off. Phillips did this while camped out with a broken typewriter in the campus Ivy Club. For extra surrealism, the club members who observed his mysterious work included fellow student Parker Stevenson. Yes, the Hardy Boys' star Parker Stevenson.
So how good was his design?
"I remember telling him I would give him an A for it," Dyson e-mails me, "but advised him to burn it as soon as the grade was registered." Phillips was spared the trouble of procuring matches: The U.S. government kept his term paper and classified it. Soon Phillips was pursued by hack journalists and trench-coaters alike: The Pakistani embassy tried to get a copy;
agents trailed him; the FBI and CIA got involved. Everything exploded.
So Phillips proposed a Term Paper to End All Term Papers: "How to Build Your Own Atomic Bomb." His instructor was Freeman Dyson, famed colleague of bomb-meisters Hans Bethe and Richard Feynman. But Dyson carefully avoided giving his student extra help. Phillips gathered declassified documents at the National Technical Information Service—"Oh, you want to build a bomb too?" a librarian asked him dryly—and many sleepless nights of calculations later, he pulled it off. Phillips did this while camped out with a broken typewriter in the campus Ivy Club. For extra surrealism, the club members who observed his mysterious work included fellow student Parker Stevenson. Yes, the Hardy Boys' star Parker Stevenson.
So how good was his design?
"I remember telling him I would give him an A for it," Dyson e-mails me, "but advised him to burn it as soon as the grade was registered." Phillips was spared the trouble of procuring matches: The U.S. government kept his term paper and classified it. Soon Phillips was pursued by hack journalists and trench-coaters alike: The Pakistani embassy tried to get a copy;
agents trailed him; the FBI and CIA got involved. Everything exploded.Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
James B wrote:http://dailywhines.com.pk/default.asp?p ... 013_pg13_4The Punjab Health Department has decided that children who have not been vaccinated for measles, polio, hepatitis and TB will not be issued their birth certificates nor will they be allowed admission in schools.
More than 1,000 cases of measles have been reported in Punjab and most of them in Lahore
This Lahori logic has got to be the result of generations of cousin marriage. If you don't issue a birth certificate you are doing an ostrich and saying these non inoculated kids do not exist. It also opens the market for counterfeiters. For a country that counterfeits foreign currency and ministers degree certificates - this should be a cinch.Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Apparently a deal is in the office for Pakistan to train Afghan army. Financed by Unkil of course.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013 ... to-return/
A year back:
http://dawn.com/2012/03/30/haqqani-will ... y-says-sc/
Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., has declined to return to Pakistan to testify before the Supreme Court in the so-called “Memogate” affair, claiming that the government is unable to offer him adequate protection.
In a Dec. 27 letter addressed to the Ministry of the Interior, Mr. Haqqani wrote: “I will not and cannot trust my personal safety in the hands of state machinery that routinely fails to protect Pakistani citizens.”
A year back:
http://dawn.com/2012/03/30/haqqani-will ... y-says-sc/
The order relates to the lifting of a travel ban allowing Mr Haqqani to leave the country to meet his family in the United States but only after he had undertaken to return to Pakistan any time on four days` notice to join the proceedings, if and when required by the commission.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Not really, it allows your HDI Index and Census results to look much better which can be used to score H&D one up man ship over the Yondoos which rape and WKK thrive on.shiv wrote:James B wrote:quote]The Punjab Health Department has decided that children who have not been vaccinated for measles, polio, hepatitis and TB will not be issued their birth certificates nor will they be allowed admission in schools.
More than 1,000 cases of measles have been reported in Punjab and most of them in Lahore/quote]
http://dailywhines.com.pk/default.asp?p ... 013_pg13_4
So it makes sense, those Kids don't exist so there no polio exists
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
I tell you these people who get posted abroad develop stupid expectations just because they streets are cleaner. Just ask the interior minister how confident he is that of providing presidential security to an actor across the border. Now this guy is loved by millions and he may as well accept the offer and here we have a cheapo living off the govt money and still not willing to come for a court session citing security concerns. I say it is time the people taught the right lessons.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Here is a RAPE complaining about cumbersome visa process. Please read it, have fun and do some Pisko analysis:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/499875/why- ... rom-wagah/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/499875/why- ... rom-wagah/
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
India has a very high quality cotton variety called Suvin cotton, but unfortunately production of this variety has decreased a lot year after year. This stuff is really world-class and easily up there with Sea Island and Egyptian cotton, but is not currently produced in enough quantity to make a real dent in the world market. It used to be grown in TN a while back.saip wrote:I am not sure why you think Paki textiles are high end. What is their thread count? May be Paki's send to India only high end textiles. India too produces some of the finest textiles but probably they are reserved for export.
Interestingly, when it comes to the real high end cotton cloth, the textile factory to beat is Switzerland's Alumo AG mills. It came as quite a shock to me to discover that the Swiss actually make cotton cloth. They import their raw cotton from Sudan and Egypt and their production methods are typically Swiss, very precise and very high end. Another big high-end producer is Italy's Albini Group, but most people give the edge to Alumo cloth. Between these two, they have the very high-end market pretty well sealed up.
It would be interesting to setup a high-end cotton cloth mill in India to produce high-grade stuff for domestic and export.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Leave alone cotton, automobiles etc. The question is, "Does TSP want to have a normal, decent state-to-state relationship with us or not". The rest would follow.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Policeman escorting Pak polio workers killed
Gunmen riding on a motorcycle shot and killed a police officer escorting polio workers during a U.N.-backed vaccination campaign in northwestern Pakistan on Tuesday, police said.
The attack took place as dozens of polio workers including several women were going door-to-door to vaccinate children in Gullu Dheri village of Swabi district in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, said senior police officer Izhar Shah.
“The polio workers were terrified and immediately went back to their homes after the attack,” Mr. Shan told The Associated Press. “The anti-polio drive in that village has been suspended.”
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
James B was about to Post, you bet me to it. Who protects Polio workers, Policemen, now they are also targeted. Best Pakistan gets to Live with Polio and because of this our WKK forgo travel to USA and Europe because they visited Papistan.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
I fear the days of bio terrorism is not far ahead of India. Imagine a bunch of these idiots carrying virus strains spreading into India..
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
http://soodvikram.blogspot.in/
A policy of denial and defiance
A policy of denial and defiance
What is with Pakistan’s rulers? Have they made their state a state in denial or are they themselves in a state of denial? It was both interesting and disturbing to see speakers from Pakistan coming on Indian TV channels with only one slogan: Deny and Defy.
The second issue is the core. The biggest threat that Pakistan’s ruling class fears to its own existence is not just the strength of the Indian armed forces or India’s growing economic clout. The main threat is that the Indian Muslim feels much safer in India than the Muslim in Pakistan. This negates the Two-Nation Theory and successive Pakistani rulers, especially from the armed forces who fancy that they are the guardians of Pakistan’s ideological frontiers, have been unable to reconcile themselves to this reality. More Muslims have been killed by Muslims in Pakistan than anywhere else in the world in the last 65 years.
Pakistan’s rulers will give up almost everything and endanger their own country but will not give up belligerence and animosity towards India. India’s rulers will give up everything including their credibility but will not give up acquiescence and appeasement.
The usual discourse that India must help strengthen democratic forces in Pakistan makes good after dinner conversation but is misplaced. Only Pakistanis can do this for themselves; maybe a process has begun and India should simply wait for this to happen.
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This is a medal which each and every "secular" Indian goes around with pinned to his chest when talking with Pakis: "Muslims feel safer in India than in Pakistan.", "This negates the Two-Nation Theory", "Jinnah and Muslim League were wrong", "Nehru was right" and this many of us repeat and repeat and repeat! Okay it gives us some satisfaction if being right has that much value.GopiD wrote:The second issue is the core. The biggest threat that Pakistan’s ruling class fears to its own existence is not just the strength of the Indian armed forces or India’s growing economic clout. The main threat is that the Indian Muslim feels much safer in India than the Muslim in Pakistan. This negates the Two-Nation Theory and successive Pakistani rulers, especially from the armed forces who fancy that they are the guardians of Pakistan’s ideological frontiers, have been unable to reconcile themselves to this reality. More Muslims have been killed by Muslims in Pakistan than anywhere else in the world in the last 65 years.
However all this proves is that in after Partition, in Pakistan, there weren't enough Hindus and Sikhs to sustain Islam's predatory instincts viz-a-viz the Kufr for long. When the "resources" ran out, the Muslims in Pakistan turned on themselves.
In India on the other hand, the number of Muslims dwindled to an extent where they could not show their predatory instincts too openly and had to bide time till they become demographically powerful again. Being forced in this mode, the Muslims in India enjoyed a long period of peace with the Hindus.
So basically the "secular" Indian is telling the Paki - look you were wrong to demand Pakistan. If you all had remained in India, you would have had so much Hindu fuel, that you need not have turned on each other, and even the ones who stayed need not have crouched for so long.
The "secular" Indian is telling the Paki - he was too stupid to know how to loot and kill the Kufr on a larger scale.
Yes, the "secular" Indian really deserves a chest full of medals and pats on the back! The Two-Nation Theory stands negated!
Screw the Two-Nation Theory! The "secular" reading of its negation is "suicide"!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
TOI: India, Pak spar over SRK.
The fact that it is "India, Pak spar over SRK" and not "India, Pak spar over Pakistani Shias or Ahmedis or Hindus or Balochis or Hazaras or <fill in any minority sect or religion>" means that GoI's Pakistan policy has been a big failure.
The fact that it is "India, Pak spar over SRK" and not "India, Pak spar over Pakistani Shias or Ahmedis or Hindus or Balochis or Hazaras or <fill in any minority sect or religion>" means that GoI's Pakistan policy has been a big failure.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
partha ji, I agree, systematic killing of Balochis didn''t elicit knee jerk reaction from GoI, MMS actually did a down hill skiing at SeS. Many ethnic killings were ignored by India, now a silly ungrateful idiot like SRK's comments were seized by TSP, now we crying like a grumpy kid. TSP should have been slapped silly for decades by supporting Balochis. I don't know why we drag our feet and freeze in fright instead of supporting any and every group that wants to break up TSP.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Maybe Rehman Malik should offer protection to Hussain Haqqani the good Haqqani!
OTH, HH might get same level of protection as Gov Salman Taseer.
OTH, HH might get same level of protection as Gov Salman Taseer.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Whats up with the flurry of recent articles from TSP that seems to indicate that the reality is finally seeping in? Is it the result of India's a-man's tamacha?
Hypocritteristan is finally seeing the light
Hypocritteristan is finally seeing the light
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Guys, call me a bigot if you want, but if the slime ball Sharukh Khan has any decency, he must come out and silence TSP once for all. He must first denounce Hafeez pig and ISI and say it is their sponsorship of terror that must first stop. He must further say that whatever he wrote in the article, its none of TSP's business to pontificate about Indian Muslims, and he is greatful for the Indian people, both Muslim and Hindu for the success he has enjoyed. Will he have the conscience to come and say that? Will the secualr eunuchs in India who go wild at the slightest slight to SRK come out and demand that? Will the millions of eunuch who worship this 2-bit actor (I can't see why anybody would watch his useless movies, for that matter most Bollywood movies, but thats a different matter) boycott him after he has bitten the hand that feeds him.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Yes he should either say that for otherwise his stock will dive very quickly in India as the thankless whining Khan of Bollywood.CRamS wrote:Guys, call me a bigot if you want, but if the slime ball Sharukh Khan has any decency, he must come out and silence TSP once for all. He must first denounce Hafeez pig and ISI and say it is their sponsorship of terror that must first stop. He must further say that whatever he wrote in the article, its none of TSP's business to pontificate about Indian Muslims, and he is greatful for the Indian people, both Muslim and Hindu for the success he has enjoyed. Will he have the conscience to come and say that? Will the secualr eunuchs in India who go wild at the slightest slight to SRK come out and demand that? Will the millions of eunuch who worship this 2-bit actor (I can't see why anybody would watch his useless movies, for that matter most Bollywood movies, but thats a different matter) boycott him after he has bitten the hand that feeds him.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
He did come out and say that his article was misunderstood and that he is a happy Indian.
So peace.
So peace.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
There was nothing objectionable in his article. Actually, its a very good article.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/read- ... d_also_see
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/read- ... d_also_see
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
SRK has himself to blame for all this; he was playing the minority+victim card long before this tamsha actually he got riled up by the TSA guys in Massa and then he took out that frustation here and got into this mess. He might be a star amongst the dhakkan FB generation here but Unkil and it's admin could not have cared any less.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
RamanaGaru, that was toothless comment. He should have shut TSP up. He didn't.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
A society at Peace with Religion
Muanfiq Yaan Kaffir Yaa Shia Yaa Ahmadi ?
Muanfiq Yaan Kaffir Yaa Shia Yaa Ahmadi ?
It was always hard for us to ask: are we really so innocent and so persecuted? Why does the world hate us? All these 65 years we have been teaching our students that one billion Hindus hate us because they are bigoted and jealous of our merit. It has been considered unpatriotic to ask why we failed to befriend them in 700 years.War is a tragedy but we refuse to see that a society at war with itself is an abomination. We love to talk of “we”, but we are “we” only in hate against “others”; when it comes to sacrifice or service, everyone is an individual.War is a tragedy because it tries to achieve an objective through use of force and destruction. Even when it ends in one’s victory, it does not end; it sows the seeds of future wars because those who are vanquished and disgraced never forget the wounds of defeat. Their collective memory passes to posterity generation after generation and nourishes the desire to avenge. Our subcontinent remained in a state of war for centuries between the Muslims kings and a resisting India. A narrow class of Muslim victors in India won prosperity and power but the large Indian population suffered the tragedy of defeat and suffering for all these centuries, while Muslim masses had no share of victory except vain pride and widespread ignorance. This history of war has left an aching scar on both sides of our people. It is partially, if not wholly, responsible for the lingering misery of our masses on both sides. Although for several reasons we in Pakistan refuse to see, the fact is that India started its recovery only after 1947, Bangladesh only after 1971 while we have yet to start.As a result of this war, Muslims remained a medieval-minded crowd for centuries, taking pride in their ability to wield the sword, until the Aligarh University movement of modern learning started some change. But we, in Pakistan, never questioned our Civilizational Narcissism which keeps breeding new tragedies of paranoia and chaos. The legacy of centuries of war never leaves us.
Ever since 1947, the nation has been moving down the slope. Each period has left us more frustrated and hopeless. Every time we discover that standards have fallen further. But that is not how human societies should move in this age of immense opportunity.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Haven't we seen this convenient 'minority card' being used before by hugely successful, respected and wealthy other such greats as Azhar, Salman etc.?negi wrote:SRK has himself to blame for all this; he was playing the minority+victim card long before this tamsha . . .
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
I want to ask one question to the author of the article. In the entire Islamic history, when is the last they befriended anyone, But for taqiyya purposes?unpatriotic to ask why we failed to befriend them in 700 years
If they have this trait for few more generations, there is a chance for genetic mutation of hate gene to get transcribed in their systems permanently.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
The Last Friendship Of Muhhamad Was with Jewish Bannu Qurayza Tribe and the Holy Prophet faithfully paid personal attention to the last living member of this tribe. Muslims themselves take pride in giving the example of all the meticulate details with the Million thanks and gifts given to this whole tribe in exchange for them providing asylem to Prophet thus saving his life.venug wrote:I want to ask one question to the author of the article. In the entire Islamic history, when is the last they befriended anyone, But for taqiyya purposes? If they have this trait for few more generations, there is a chance for genetic mutation of hate gene to get transcribed in their systems permanently.unpatriotic to ask why we failed to befriend them in 700 years
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Here are some examples of SRK's secularism:
On the eve of Ind-pak QF march 2011 SRK "It does not matter who wins, both are same to me" on (R)NDTV
SRK was deeply saddened at the death of Osama Bin Laden. Shahrukh had described Osama’s death by America’s a “heinous act”!
One may recall SRK's effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain, Shoaib Malik"s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for failing to win the final T20 match against India, likely much to the embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more embarrassing was SRK's effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent interview, "I don"t think he meant to segregate Muslims and Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and Hinduism. I don"t think that..." Why was he defending an extremist?
When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL, SRK said "It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We (India and Pakistan) are great neighbours. They are good neighbours. For the record, majority of India does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have.
On the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university, we heard SRK, "I really believe we are the same ..when you come away from India or Pakistan you realize there is no Indian or Pakistani - we"re all together. We are - culturally, as human beings, as friends". Today not even Bangladeshis living abroad have any good feeling for Pakistanis. Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of global terrorism, not just by India or USA but even by its friendly allies like Iran or China.
About Baba Ramdev on Black money "These days it has become a trend for people to poke their nose into issues which are not related to them," . Has he ever criticized a muslim maulvi or an Imam ever.
He insulted a patriotic icon Manoj Kumar in OM Shanti OM. Would he ever do that to Dilip Kumar? Manoj Kumar was one of the early ones to see warning signs and said in 2006 that SRK may have a communal agenda.
His home production movies- more than one has a Hindu as a terrorist (I will leave the exercise to the reader)
On Diwali day he releases a movie called Ra-one (rhyming with Raavan) where he plays the part of Ra-one. Although Ra-one is a bad guy the timing was designed to create a hype on the word Ravan during Diwali.
Indian Dhimmis can keep him. A senior US administration official is on record stating SRK is detained repeatedly in US as he is in a immigration watch list of people having links to terrorist activities originating from Chicago.US maintains a detailed dossier on all suspected people.He may be a star in India, but as per US he is a shady character with questionable links.
Lastly why no one complains about Amir Khan and other assorted Khans. Amir khan has actually challenged the Hindu norms more than SRK.
It is also past its sell by date to call any one questioning Islamic terrorism as anti muslim or a bigot.
On the eve of Ind-pak QF march 2011 SRK "It does not matter who wins, both are same to me" on (R)NDTV
SRK was deeply saddened at the death of Osama Bin Laden. Shahrukh had described Osama’s death by America’s a “heinous act”!
One may recall SRK's effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain, Shoaib Malik"s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for failing to win the final T20 match against India, likely much to the embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more embarrassing was SRK's effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent interview, "I don"t think he meant to segregate Muslims and Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and Hinduism. I don"t think that..." Why was he defending an extremist?
When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL, SRK said "It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We (India and Pakistan) are great neighbours. They are good neighbours. For the record, majority of India does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have.
On the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university, we heard SRK, "I really believe we are the same ..when you come away from India or Pakistan you realize there is no Indian or Pakistani - we"re all together. We are - culturally, as human beings, as friends". Today not even Bangladeshis living abroad have any good feeling for Pakistanis. Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of global terrorism, not just by India or USA but even by its friendly allies like Iran or China.
About Baba Ramdev on Black money "These days it has become a trend for people to poke their nose into issues which are not related to them," . Has he ever criticized a muslim maulvi or an Imam ever.
He insulted a patriotic icon Manoj Kumar in OM Shanti OM. Would he ever do that to Dilip Kumar? Manoj Kumar was one of the early ones to see warning signs and said in 2006 that SRK may have a communal agenda.
His home production movies- more than one has a Hindu as a terrorist (I will leave the exercise to the reader)
On Diwali day he releases a movie called Ra-one (rhyming with Raavan) where he plays the part of Ra-one. Although Ra-one is a bad guy the timing was designed to create a hype on the word Ravan during Diwali.
Indian Dhimmis can keep him. A senior US administration official is on record stating SRK is detained repeatedly in US as he is in a immigration watch list of people having links to terrorist activities originating from Chicago.US maintains a detailed dossier on all suspected people.He may be a star in India, but as per US he is a shady character with questionable links.
Lastly why no one complains about Amir Khan and other assorted Khans. Amir khan has actually challenged the Hindu norms more than SRK.
It is also past its sell by date to call any one questioning Islamic terrorism as anti muslim or a bigot.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Anantha that is an interesting list but there is one more card that I believe needs to be played. Pathans do not always see themselves as Pakistani, but we have gifted Pathans to Pakistan along with partition. There is a cleft there that needs to be exploited and I suspect Khan is a Pathan name and not Pakjabi
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
Security forces kill 33 militants in Khyber, Orakzai agencies
What would be Male, Female ratio with so many shias, munafiqs, good, bad taliban dying.
What happened to the Peace Agreement between good & bad taliban.Pakistani security forces on Tuesday claimed that they have killed 33 militants affiliated to the outlawed Lashkar-i-Islam (LI) and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) as fighter jets struck their hideouts in remote Tirah valley of Khyber agency and Mamozai area of Orakzai agency.
The TTP spokesman however has claimed that only two of their fighters have died in the air strikes while rest of those killed were civilians.
The claims however could not be verified from any independent sources, as the area is totally inaccessible to the media.
Security sources told Dawn.Com that the jet fighters have also destroyed ammunition and ration depots of the militants groups in Dawatoi, Bara Gat, Wocha Wona, and Nakai areas of the Khyber Agency during the last 24 hours operation.
They said that at least 23 militants have been killed while scores of others have been injured in the strikes.
In a separate strike in adjoining Mamozai area of Orakzai agency, the jet fighters have also destroyed four militants’ hideouts.
Assistant Political Agent Upper Tehsil Muhammad Rafiq says they have reports that at least ten militants have died in the strikes while their four secret hideouts have also been destroyed.
TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Eshan, reacting to the incidents said that they had lost only two fighters in the strikes and most of the people killed by the Pakistani fighter jets are innocent civilians.
“I can confirm that jets have targeted civilians’ houses on the border of Orakzai Agency, in Kokikhels area and there is confirmation of civilian deaths, including women and children,” he said, adding, “our bases are safe enough to escape the bombing and we know how to remain safe in the area.”
About the ongoing clashes with Ansarul Islam (AI) in Tirah Valley, Ehsan said, “We have lost only 7 fighters while 15 others have been injured in the war with the AI, but I don’t have any confirmation of deaths on the other side.”
To a query about capturing the AI headquarters in Bagh-Maidan, the TTP spokesman said, “I can’t say as we are in the middle of the war, but the TTP’s fight will continue until the elimination of government-backed fighters of Ansarul Islam.”
“Despite a peace agreement with the TTP they have killed more than 29 of our Mujahideen and have also stopped and blocked the supply routes to the tribesmen who are opposed to the AI ideology,” he added.
About the dissociation of Tariq Afridi group from the TTP as claimed by their spokesman Muhammad in media reports, Ehsan said, “I am not in knowledge of any spokesman by the name of Muhammad, who had claimed this.”
“But I must say… all us TTP fighters are unanimous in defeating Ansarul Islam, who are supported by the Pakistani government,” he added.
About Lashkar-i-Islam (LI) backing the TTP in the fight against the Ansarul Islam, he said, “TTP is on its own, but any support from the LI will be welcomed.”
What would be Male, Female ratio with so many shias, munafiqs, good, bad taliban dying.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012
shiv wrote:Anantha that is an interesting list but there is one more card that I believe needs to be played. Pathans do not always see themselves as Pakistani, but we have gifted Pathans to Pakistan along with partition. There is a cleft there that needs to be exploited and I suspect Khan is a Pathan name and not Pakjabi
Yes Shiv, SRK is a Pathan, he was a normal guy until around 1997-98, after which he has taken part in several anti India/anti Hindu activities.
I know an Ahmediya who looks normal at conversation but from inside his beliefs are same, hating idol worship, non acceptance of Mohmd. by Hindus etc.
Also SRK having idols in his house etc does not cut ice. I would respect a normal religious Indian Muslim over this fake guy.