Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

[jamwal]

Just 20-25 years back, these Pakis were valued allies of rugged TFTA Rambo .Charlie Wilson was crying copious tears after observing plights of Afghan refugees in Pakistan and smuggling weapons to fight Soviet oppressors.
Now we have Zero Dark Thirty and GI Joe. Massive blow to Paki H&D onee

[Lalmohan]

there is always a sudden-death round in pakistani quizzes!

[Deans]

Pigs being bred to be slaughtered

Pakistan has a population of 180 million; it contains 2.58 per cent of the world’s population and is the sixth most populous country in the world. Its total fertility rate (TFR) is three, which is the highest when compared with the world birth rate of 1.1 per cent. Economically, Pakistan has no more than three per cent economic growth — almost equal to the birth rate — clearly showing unstable economic growth.

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During the recent democratic government’s rule, Balochistan had a TFR of 4.1 and there seemed to be no activity by the Population Welfare Department in the province. Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa have had a TFR of 4.3 for the last 10 years and no significant progress has been made. Punjab also has a TFR of 3.9 and again, the Population Welfare Department lagged behind and only remained engaged for five long years with the health department on power transfers.

OK. Which province Ayeshas and Abduls are non pious and have a low TFR to pull the overall average down to 3.0; while the rest of the country is clocking around 4? Can some learned maulaner help clarify the Madrassa Math on population statistics?

My thoughts exactly ! If one takes a weighted average of population, a TFR of 3 can only happen if WANA/FATA have a negative TFR !! However, the learned Maulaner seems to have got confused between TFR and birth rate. The 2 are quite different.
He says `the recent democratic Govt's rule', so either Mushy's rule was democratic, or the current Govt is not !

[anupmisra]

Quran questionnaire? Is there a Rapid fire round? A Multiple Choice round? Sudden Death Round? Why am I reminded of that scene from Indiana Jones the Holy Grail?

You can also call a friend or have the audience chime in. But this election code is indeed onerous when combined with the requirement that the candidate must also have a college degree (not a fake one from a correspondence course). Wow! College degree and Koran-versed. The prefect candidate. Djinnah would have passed this test with flying colors. I wonder if this tribal motormama who recently announced her candidacy will meet the strict EC requirements?

Badam Zari

Badam Zari, the first tribal woman to come forward to contest for a National Assembly seat from Bajaur Agency

[shiv]

Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.

Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.

KARACHI: Before joining the race for parliament, candidates for the May 11 elections may have to prove their ‘adequate knowledge’ of Islamic teachings and the Quran and may be requested to recite a ‘Sura’ or particular Quranic verses and answer questions about the number of ‘rakats’ in any of the five daily prayers.

But according to some political parties, this is an “astounding addition” to the process of scrutiny. However, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has described it as being in conformity with ‘constitutional’ requirements .What a senior ECP official termed a process of “ruthless” scrutiny began on Monday with a number of candidates appearing before returning officers had to answer different questions, including those about religious injunctions.

One such case was recorded by TV channels when Owais Muzaffar Tappi, PPP candidate for a Sindh Assembly seat and President Asif Ali Zardari’s close aide, was asked about the number of Namaz one is required to offer in a day. He took a couple of seconds to tell the number of ‘rakats’ in Fajr prayers.In Hyderabad region, nomination papers of a Muttahida Qaumi Movement candidate were rejected during scrutiny. The party says if lack of knowledge about Islamic teaching was declared as the reason behind the rejection, it would challenge the process of scrutiny.“Papers of one of our candidates from Matiari were rejected by the returning officer,” said Advocate Aslam Pervez of the MQM’s legal aid committee. “The reason is not yet mentioned but the candidate was asked several questions about Islamic teachings and if it would be the cause of the rejection we would definitely file an appeal.”He said returning officers had no authority to ask such questions, adding that a person’s faith could not be gauged through questions relating more to his memory than his knowledge about Islam and its teachings.

But a senior ECP official justified the questions and said that under article 62 (e) of the constitution candidates were required to have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings.“There is no harm in asking such questions if the returning officers want to satisfy themselves about an important element of the qualification clauses”, he said.The article 62 of the constitution explains the criterion of “qualifications for member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament)” and its clause (e) reads: “He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins.”But political parties deem it “inappropriate” to judge any candidate’s knowledge about Islamic teachings through a set of questions. They argue that memorising answers of certain questions could not determine anyone’s faith.“Nomination papers of our party candidates have not been rejected because of that particular reason but I still believe that testing a candidate’s faith in Islam through his memory is not appropriate,” said the Awami National Party’s provincial general secretary Bashir Jan. “One can’t reject any honest and upright candidate just because he has not learnt any Quranic verse by heart.”Rashid Rabbani of the PPP agreed with Mr Jan and said:“I don’t think it’s justified to weigh one person’s knowledge of Islamic teachings through these questions.”

It is not in the least bit clear to me as to why we need a separate BENIS thread when we have this one. Better still I vote for shutting down this thread and continuing all discussions on BENIS

[anupmisra]

Pigs being bred to be slaughtered

Pakistan has a population of 180 million

That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky

[RajeshA]

The West has learned this trick of manipulating the Muslim elite for their own ends

Responded here!

[Baikul]

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That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky

Effing heck, with those rates they'll be hitting half a billion mark sooner than I thought. A time bomb would be an understatement.

[Lilo]

Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.

Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.

But a senior ECP official justified the questions and said that under article 62 (e) of the constitution candidates were required to have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings.“There is no harm in asking such questions if the returning officers want to satisfy themselves about an important element of the qualification clauses”, he said.The article 62 of the constitution explains the criterion of “qualifications for member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament)” and its clause (e) reads: “He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins.

What a deep shit this so called nation is in!! My humble AoA to the Paindoo fcuklamist Aholes of al-bakistan.

I can only laugh at your ignorance sir, then again a dirty Kafir like you will never get it.

However, I congratulate my brothers on this very progressive step .
It has been long known that we need to foster more discussion among the various Islamic sects in Pakistan, to bring about a real understanding between them. Such question and answer sessions will be an excellent way to spark such discussions. Therefore, these must be telecast live to the public.

I expect that even the most difficult questions which hitherto didn't have unanimous answers can finally be settled through these peaceful discussions. Therefore, the question and answer sessions should necessarily delve on issues like...

>Which authorities constitute legitimate sources contributing to the body of Sharia law ?
> How Zakat is to be collected and administered in light of Sharia ?
> Who should constitute the moon sighting commitee to determine the day on which the Hilal moon was sighted and to mark the end of Ramzan (or is it Ramadan ?) ?
> Who should lead the prayer at the Grand mosque ?
> What are the metrics to identify the Kafir and Munafiq within ?
> Which means are permissible in waging Jihad against the Kafir - like deciding which is Islamic between Fidayeen attacks and Suicide attacks ?
> Who are the Martyrs and who are not in the dead of a suicide bomb blast ?

And last but not least
> Who is a true Muslim ?

When answers to all such questions are settled conclusively , there will be resounding silence all throughout Pakistan. And in this resounding silence of the final resolution there will be everlasting Islamic Peace. Pakistan would be akin to Jannat on earth and will have truly become a fortress of Islam it was destined to be.
And again as destined by the will of Allah it will then be ready to lead the rest of the world out of the darkness into the brightness of Noor e Islam .

[Neela]

I recently caught the new G I Joe movie which has been banned in Pakistan.
While the ostensible reason for the ban is that the opening scene shows the Paki nukes falling into the hands of terrorists and the Joes snatching them back, I think the real reason for the ban is further into the film.
Without giving away the plot let's just say that at the climax of the movie we have a scene where the leaders of all nuclear power states are seated at a negotiating table and the Indian PM has a pretty prominent part to play there both in calling the US "president" mad and in pushing the trigger to start bomb delivery. Heck you even had a North Korean guy in the scene.
So you have on the one hand Pakistan depicted in its true colours of terror central from where the Joes have to go and snatch the illegal nukes and you have India depicted as a big nuclear power along with France, Russia, Britain, China, Israel and even NoKo.
No wonder the Pakis got their chaddis in a twist. This film is following a trend of depicting the bad guys of being always based in Pakistan. The country has supplanted the "small Middle East country ruled by a dictator" as the source of all the evil which American special ops guys go in and destroy. And yes you had this pretty female Joe kick a**s of some guys dressed up exactly like the Talibunnies! Ouch!
What a fall for the TFTA self esteem. And like it or not, such movies shape public perception of foreign countries in Middle America.

But wait. Does this also not speak of Amreekan stupidity. Does it now show how the tide has turned for the dashing pair of Amreekah and TSP. I would say that this is a effete , b@ll-less , cowardly attempt at the Pakis. The Pakis whipped Amreekis , made a fool of them since 2001 in a war that cost $1Beeelllion a week , got paid for that and in the end, shoving some real "moderate Taliban's" ***** down Uncle Sam's t***at.
And this is what Amreekah has to show in return? What a sore loser Amreekuh is!
Remember the same Amreekis and Pakis did nothing when despite taking sanctuary in the UN compound, Najibullah was castrated , dragged around and then killed.
Yesterday Pakis were Amreeki friends.Today Amreekis are Pakis' b1tches! Today they are enemies. Tomorrow who knows.

[RamaY]

On the "knowledge of Quran" being a qualification for Paki Majlis...

Wonder how many Talibannis in their hashish kicked minds pass this exam... Interesting times ahead.

[kapilrdave]

Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.

Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.

KARACHI: Before joining the race for parliament, candidates for the May 11 elections may have to prove their ‘adequate knowledge’ of Islamic teachings and the Quran and may be requested to recite a ‘Sura’ or particular Quranic verses and answer questions about the number of ‘rakats’ in any of the five daily prayers.....

What a deep shit this so called nation is in!! My humble AoA to the Paindoo fcuklamist Aholes of al-bakistan.

Question Paper for the candidates.

Theoretical

1) In case a muslim woman carries out a suicide attack, is she eligible to get her 72 Hooras in heaven?
i. Yes
ii. No
iii. such women become one of the 72 hoories
iv. Islam is a religion of peace

2) What came first? Gun or bullet?
i. Gun
ii. Bullet
iii. Whatever China sends first
iv. Islam is a religion of peace

3) What should be the punishment for rape?
i. The victim has to marry the rapist
ii. 100 lashes to the victim for not wearing the burkha during the rape
iii. Victim must be raped again for seducing the rapist
iv. Islam is the religion of peace

Practical test

1) Carry out a suiside attack
2) Eat grass for 1000 years

[member_22872]

That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky

Actually this is worrying because, remember Tarek Fatah's recent interview? He says if only Pakistan and India remain united, Indian-subcontinent could have been the home of largest population of Muslims. And Tarek Fatah too at one level is an islamic dreamer after all. Islam first all the time. Now if one imagines TSP as a petri dish, with a well controlled culture of Islamic virus being grown. Other remnant cultures like Hinduism etc culled and virulent strain of malsi to thrive enabled by Sharia, what do you get? Now our Aman-ki-Asha guys are so eager to bring back the glory of Unified South Asia by releasing the virulent potent culture into India. This might not happen, but what if it does? Add to this, how this culture is nurtured and sustained by US. So in time it will only grow more virulent getting ready to explode it pods into its neighborhood.

[Sushupti]

This is specially for our Hakeem Saab.

China's Love Affair with Pork
http://atfp.co/16szGRk

[CRamS]

Both uneven cohen and reidel are retards that no one in Delhi takes seriously. Pakistan is in a race to civil war India can wait and watch or act and accelerate the process.

I respectfully disagree. For us long-time India-TSP-US watchers, several things are clear:

1. No Indian govt, BJP bluster aside or eunuch/RNI Cong, is going to take TSP head on when it comes to terror, and both (recall Vajpayee's inviting MushRat to Agra) believe India must "do more" to induce TSP good behavior. (And the reasons for this are plenty, TSP's India specific nukes are one thing, but Indian Muslims and vote bank politics are a key factor in India's TSP policy)

2. US does not want TSP to fail (they need TSP as an India balancer) which would be the natural course without US lifeline. And in achieving this objective, TSP terror against India is considered "local" and not "global" and hence passe. (Note, the respectable tone that Uneven exudes in talking about TSP, TSP's state sponsorship of terror does not even figure in his narrative).

3. Many Indian elites, at least those with money and power do not have the courage nor the wherewithal nor the brains to challenge #1 and #2. (As an example, consider that ToiLet monkey who interviewed Uneven and couldn't summon the blood brains to put one tough question to Uneven. India media is filled with such filth).

Uneven has the right pulse on "South Asia". And the entire New Delhi elite will do shastaanga namaskaram to this scum bag. We nationalists, and a very minuscule tiny fraction of Indians may not like it, we can see through the fraud, we can cry and howl till will turn blue, but thats the reality, too bad. Our only hope is TSP itself self destructs before it destroys India despite all the support it is getting from all and sundry.

[akashganga]

Actually this is worrying because, remember Tarek Fatah's recent interview? He says if only Pakistan and India remain united, Indian-subcontinent could have been the home of largest population of Muslims. And Tarek Fatah too at one level is an islamic dreamer after all. Islam first all the time. Now if one imagines TSP as a petri dish, with a well controlled culture of Islamic virus being grown. Other remnant cultures like Hinduism etc culled and virulent strain of malsi to thrive enabled by Sharia, what do you get? Now our Aman-ki-Asha guys are so eager to bring back the glory of Unified South Asia by releasing the virulent potent culture into India. This might not happen, but what if it does? Add to this, how this culture is nurtured and sustained by US. So in time it will only grow more virulent getting ready to explode it pods into its neighborhood.

Yes Tarek is an islamic dreamer. If pakistan and india had been united we would be having permanent civil war in united india and half of hinduism would have been wiped out. The so called secular/moderate muslims are more dangerous than jehadi hitman. Muslims when they find themselves with kafirs will first destroy kafirs and their culture and their way of life. After that they will screw each other. India is united because most of India is populated by hindu majority population. Wherever there is muslim majority like kashmir or even christian majority like nagaland there is war.

[member_19686]

^^

Ah yes Tarek Fatah the "humanist" who thinks the biggest "losers" of Partition were Muslims not their millions of victims.

Carry out genocide with the help of British turds & you are the "loser" deserving sympathy not your victims.

He is also on twitter talking against Indians who don't want BD illegals. He essentially sees no wrong with millions of pious BD's flooding into India.

[Gus]

Steve Coll's 'Bin Ladens' has info on OBL's formative years and IIRC, he was islamist even when being 'educated', unlike many of his cousins. In that sense, he is an outlier.

[jrjrao]

Article by Rob Crilly, the Pakistan correspondent of The Daily Telegraph, UK:

Why are we giving aid to Pakistan?

The comments below this article are interesting also -- there is so much "love" and "admiration" for the PakiSatanis there....

[Gus]

Tarek Fateh need not be lionized or disparaged. He is a critic of Pakistan and where his view are good for us, we can promote that without promoting all of his views. Overall, his plus outweighs minus, for me.

[member_19686]

Some of that "humanism" from Tarek overflowing here:

https://twitter.com/Sanu158/status/293160647011745792

[akashganga]

^^

Ah yes Tarek Fatah the "humanist" who thinks the biggest "losers" of Partition were Muslims not their millions of victims.

Carry out genocide with the help of British turds & you are the "loser" deserving sympathy not your victims.

He is also on twitter talking against Indians who don't want BD illegals. He essentially sees no wrong with millions of pious BD's flooding into India.

Well said. His whole world view is centered around islam. We indians should not accept these guys. If they are really good and moderate then let them stay back in pakistan and clean up the mess there. Why poke your nose here.

[member_22872]

I can give it to him for opposing TSP and saying as it is. But he also claims he is Indian and that his fore fathers were Hindus to begin with, yet accidentally he divulged his dream of an unified India with highest muslim population in the world, so he likes the idea at some level and he wants islamism of a particular hue he cherishes to take over India. A snake is a snake. We better be careful, we can't just laugh and nod just because he now speaks ill about TSP. Snakes sooner or later will bite the hand that feeds. Of the four sama dana, bheda and danda ways, he is announcing a soft coup, the sama - praise, mutual benefits etc he heaps on India, but his inner Pakistaniyat is intact. In fact he will pull the rug under the feet of India as and when he thinks India has fallen from his grace.

[akashganga]

I can give it to him for opposing TSP and saying as it is. But he also claims he is Indian and that his fore fathers were Hindus to begin with, yet accidentally he divulged his dream of an unified India with highest muslim population in the world, so he likes the idea at some level and he wants islamism of a particular hue he cherishes to take over India. A snake is a snake. We better be careful, we can't just laugh and nod just because he now speaks ill about TSP. Snakes sooner or later will bite the hand that feeds. Of the four sama dana, bheda and danda ways, he is announcing a soft coup, the sama - praise, mutual benefits etc he heaps on India, but his inner Pakistaniyat is intact. In fact he will pull the rug under the feet of India as and when he thinks India has fallen from his grace.

We should not allow any muslim whether moderate or secular or athiest muslim or whatever from pakistan or bangladesh. They have their own country and they can do whatever they want there. Why don't they go and live in saudi arabia or 50 other muslim majority countries, they have muslim brotherhood all over the world. We should allow only hindus, sikhs, and budhdhists from pakistan or bangladesh to settle in India as they have nowhere else to go.

[akashganga]

No I think you have misinterpreted my statement. I am not getting into that fake argument of educated/uneducated. In Islam, only the educated have a remote chance of being exposed to what is wrong and understanding it. They get killed/exiled if they so much as squeak about it. Many more educated Islamists like Osama and the Paki elite remain Islamist because they can use the uneducated Muslims as ready assassins while they retain power. It is the educated Islamists who can pretend to be moderate and still maintain relations with the west and the uneducated Muslims soosai masses. In fact Saddam, Gadhafi, Osama, the Paki establishment are all examples of educated Muslim elite who used their own masses as fighters for their own or someone else's cause. (or both)

But when Osama stopped listening to the west, he was eliminated. Same thing for Gadaafi and Saddam. The Paki army and ISI are still slaves of the west. Ultimately they take money from the west to try and stop the west's applecart from being upset. The Taliban need to get out of their control and stop being vicarious servants of the west. They will continue to murder, but the educated elite who are currently using them (Pak Army/ISI) will lose their power over them and their ability to make the mad uneducated Islamists follow the porders of the west.

The Taliban have understood that the Paki army and ISI are ultimately slaves of America. As long as the US-Paki army combine keep the Taliban in check the cosy relationship of western powers controlling idiot Muslims masses will continue. It is the way the western powers control the elite Muslims that makes Islamism more dangerous to non western nations. If the Taliban are allowed to become their murderous selves, out of the control of the slave Pakistan army and their western masters it will be easier to expose true Islam to the whole world.

Shiv, I agree with you most of what have said. I want to point out even less educated or uneducated muslims can turn against islam. I have read that many of those who have gone through shudhdhi ceremony through arya samaj in the past have been poor less educated muslims of india. I do not have much hope on educated muslims.

[RajeshA]

More education among Muslims is only used to better explain why their prison is paradise without comparison, and why everybody should check in!

[shiv]

I want to point out even less educated or uneducated muslims can turn against islam.

I have no doubt about this/ I have Muslim friends who know the reality and distil what they want from islam. But in Islam the poorer and weaker you are the smaller your chances of rebelling. You have to be elite/educated. You then have two choices
1. Be a genuine opponent and take exile
2. Become a pretender like Jinnah/jernails who enjoy kafir things in life and yet serve as a "mediator"/leader between brainless Muslim masses and western modernity, getting Islamic privileges among/Muslims and getting money/honor in the west.

I would like the pretenders to be killed. I am sure all Paki jernails are pretenders. I am beginning to think that Hafiz saeed also is a pretender

[RajeshA]

shiv saar,

We have the Saudi Sheikhs and TSPA Crore Commanders managing the finances, recruitment and logistics of the worldwide Jihadi networks.

The West depend on these two to keep the Jihadis under their control. These two make sure that the Americans do not allow any Jihadi networks to crop up which are outside the control of these networks. The bad Taliban is targeted by US for this reason also.

What we need is a parallel Jihadi infrastructure, independent from ISI oversight and Saudi money, which goes after the TSPA and ISI with a vengeance and removes them from the equation completely. Also Sarkari Jihadis like the Hafeez Suar need to be taken out.

Once the West loses its mediators, it will be forced to deal with the situation, especially the one with so many Islamic extremists in their own countries. And then there are the nukes.

That is why Indian presence in Afghanistan is dangerous for both Pakistan AND USA. India should team up with Afghani Pushtuns and run the biggest, most vicious Jihadi network in the Subcontinent, and take out most of the TSPA leadership.

2 billion USD a year for 6-7 years would get us rid of Pakistan forever, and give USA its biggest headache!

[Cosmo_R]

@RajeshA: ^^^: "...India should team up with Afghani Pushtuns and run the biggest, most vicious Jihadi network in the Subcontinent"

A slight variation. If the objective is to harness the violence of the Pashtuns and direct it, then it is better to work through the mullah outsourcers who are equal opportunity aggregators of suicidal young men. For them it's money not ideology.

That said, nobody can control these guys and eventually it blows up in one's own face every time.

A more subtle approach is to fan the flames of Pashtun nationalism. That would go beyond the Durand Line issue because Pashtuns are a majority now Baluchistan and increasingly in Karachi.

The pakis know the Pashtun time bomb is there and that is why they've sought to bring them under the banner of Islam (One Ring to bind them all...).

In the short run IMHO, the antidote to the Jihadis is Pashtun nationalism. These guys need a sense of victim hood to nurse a grudge—any grudge.

Turn the focus on to oppression by the pakjabis.

[Cosmo_R]

Tarek Fatah is no different Irfan Husain or Kamran Shafi or even our own MJAkbar. All 'moderates' who bemoan radical Islam and partition but are closet Mughalistas. Undivided India under Muslim rule is their utopia.

[RajeshA]

Cosmo_R ji,

Of course any running of Jihadis would have to be outsourced to the Pushtun. We cannot directly run something like this. You're of course right, that it is a matter of money.

Pushtun Nationalism is good for making structural changes in the neighborhood, but for Qadrification of the Crore Commanders & Co., one does need the motivated Jihadis.

[johneeG]

Tarek Fatah is no different Irfan Husain or Kamran Shafi or even our own MJAkbar. All 'moderates' who bemoan radical Islam and partition but are closet Mughalistas. Undivided India under Muslim rule is their utopia.

+108. Very succinctly put. These people seem to want to have their cake(Malsi) and eat it too(no green on green) and also dream of ghazwa-e-hind.

Essentially, these people seem to want a reformation of Malsi. What kind of reformation? A reformation where the sharia is not insisted upon, where one need not grow beard or wear short pyjamas, where one need not insist on hijab, where one can swill whisky(if one wants to)...etc. In short, they want the Malsi to learn from west(and its EJs) and become 'sophisticated', instead of being 'crude'.

These kind of reforms do not in anyway divert from the ghazwa-e-hind. And it does not change anything as far as Kaffirs are concerned. These reforms are only to make the life of the followers of Malsi easy and bearable(particularly the elite ones, who can afford to have comforts). Generally, these privileges are already bestowed upon the elites in all the lands where Malsi is dominant. The elites are free to indulge in whatever their fancies are, as long as they pretend to be pious in public. But, in Pakiland(fortress of Malsi), this trend is changing. In pakiland, strict adherence to Malsi principles is being demanded from various quarters. This phenomenon is more pronounced in Pakiland, but is certainly not limited to that place alone.

There has been a steady and gradual increase in demands for more adherence to purest form of Malsi. The problem is compounded by the fact that there is disagreement on the purest form of Malsi. And this is not really new. It started long back as soon as the Mughals came.

^^^The Mughals provided second of the two fronts within Indian Islamism. The previous period was a single front with intra-front competition for leadership. To a large extent the mughals were the late arrivals, the neo-converts - who retained their west-Turkmenistan+pre-Islamic Persian + Indo-Buddhist-CAR-pagan threads.

Its the kind of frontal conflict between two sides in Islam, that arises when one front is a late-convert and is unable to completely relinquish pre-Islamic foundations. This was the conflict that created BD. In a way, the Mughal-TurkoAfghan competition destroyed the power basis of Arabic Islam in India.

Neither came with "sympathies" or identifications with pre-Islamic India. The Mughals by successfully centralizing Islamic control over much of India, thereby denuded it of resources, destroyed the economy eventually - and cleared the way for Brit takeover.

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Both Mughals and Sultanate were equally bad as far as the Kaffirs are concerned. But, there is an internal conflict of ideas.

Mughals represent late-converts who want to retain some of the features that are not related to Malsi. They are the ones who do not want to follow Malsi in letter(like beard, pyjama, whisky), but they want to follow it in spirit(Ghazwa-e-hind).

Sultanate represents the other side who want to follow the Malsi both in letter and spirit.

Sultanate(early-converts) where replaced by the Mughals(late-converts). This created curious reaction. It gave rise to people like Sirhindi(during Akbar's time) and Waliullah. These people not only insisted on Malsi, but went ahead and made it more dictatorial and tyrannical(yes, they actually made the theory even more strict, because the practice was not up to the mark in their perception).

It does not mean that Mughals were benevolent towards the Kaffirs. Absolutely not. The jihad was on(with Rajputs, Vijayanagara, and later Sikhs and Marathas). But, it did not meet the high expectations of the people like Sirhindi and Waliullah.

So, there are two strains:
a) Hard version(hard on followers)
b) Soft version(soft on followers)

Both versions are vicious towards infidels and unbelievers within.

Should one follow the letter or spirit? That is the debate. The rest all(particular jihad) is same same only. Hard version insists on adherence to letter. The insistence on letter translates it into insistence on sharia. Soft version wants to adhere merely to spirit. Insistence on spirit means they can be hypocritical in their personal lives(beliefs), but do pious(jihad of Kaffirs) deeds in larger Malsi structure.

Sirhindi and Waliullah are the forerunners of the modern day Malsi(particularly in Sub-continent or South Asia, as the western media likes to call). The modern Pakiland is born from this strain of Malsi. The talibs also are the inheritors of this strain. They are goading the rulers, just as Sirhindi and Waliullah had done during earlier times.

Though the pakiland was born from the hard strain, the leadership was always by the Mughali ones(soft strain). People like Tarek(and the entire pakjabi elites) represent the Mughals(soft strain). The Mughals liked to enjoy themselves with their whiskies and all other pleasures. They also had to make some compromises due to geo-political realities to make their empire survive. The modern day pakjabi elites want to replicate the Mughals.

Both sides(hard and soft) have the same attitude towards the Kaffir. The difference is in how the green on green should be handled.

What is happening right now: The last strong emperor of Mughals, Aurangzeb, had to accept the hard version of Malsi, so that his rule was acknowledged by the followers of Malsi. In the short run, this saved the empire from dismantling into smaller fiefdoms and also allowed Aurangzeb to remain the ruler. In the long run, it made the Kaffirs take up active revolution against the Mughal rule. It resulted in creation of Maratha and Sikh empires.

The action of Aurangzeb was not out of blue. The hard version of Malsi was slowly being accepted by the Mughals. It seems to me that Babar was much more un-malsi like in his personal beliefs, then the later Mughal ones. Each successive generation of Mughal rulers had to accept and acknowledge that hard version was the pure version(and had to pretend to follow it). This phenomenon reached its zenith with Aurangzeb. And the hard version also became more and more hardened.

The same game is being played out in pakiland. It is like the rule of Aurangzeb right now. No more pretensions are being allowed. Absolute insistence on letter. This is allowing the nation to survive as single entity, for now.

People like Tarek want to reverse the whole thing and go back to the beautiful days when Kaffirs alone were hunted, while enjoying whiskey. Of course, if we see history, it is not possible. The soft version(the diluted version) always loses to the purer version.

It seems to me that Malsi today is much more purer than it was, when it started out. The definition of 'pure' in Malsi culture is the most narrow-minded and hard-core interpretation. So, the one who comes up with most narrow-minded and hard-core interpretation has the upper hand. Then, based on this interpretation, they can demand the elimination of all 'munafiqs'.

[Prem]

Batto sey Baat Nahi Banegi, Saas Bahu Nahi Banegi. Some one must switch on the Pure to Pyre Paki Programme.

Problem identified ,Tumor diagnosed with 99.9996 DICOM accuracy , commonly agreed solution is found , then what is missing Bhai Saab ? Patient need immediate surgery to survive or loose vital limb/s.

[kish]

Just Another Misgiving Day in Islamic Paradize" Allah Har Din Frydin Karde
Rocket attack on Peshawar’s grid station kills two

PESHAWAR: At least two people were killed when unknown assailants fired rocket at a grid station in Peshawar’s Budh Berh area in the early hours of Tuesday morning, DawnNews reported.
According to police, the attack killed a policeman and Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) employee adding that the grid station was completely destroyed in the incident.Soon after the attack, electricity went off and the area plunged into darkness.Moreover, the incident spread fear among residents of the area.Police cordoned off the area after the attack and started investigations

AoA, the score has improved.

7 dead, power cut in Peshawar after attack on Pakistan power station

They then entered the station and set numerous fires before kidnapping nine people – later killing five of them and throwing their bodies in fields, he said.

With 4 people missing, the chances of score reaching 11 is good:D

"This 500-kilovolt grid station was the biggest power grid station of the province and has completely been damaged. People may face some extra power load shedding in the coming days," Afzal said.

Peshawar gets just a couple of hours of power a day, this "extra power load shedding" means no power at all.

[RamaY]

^ So they solved Pakistan's electricity "problem"

Must be added to Islam's scientific contributions list.

[akashganga]

Essentially, these people seem to want a reformation of Malsi. What kind of reformation? A reformation where the sharia is not insisted upon, where one need not grow beard or wear short pyjamas, where one need not insist on hijab, where one can swill whisky(if one wants to)...etc. In short, they want the Malsi to learn from west(and its EJs) and become 'sophisticated', instead of being 'crude'.
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There has been a steady and gradual increase in demands for more adherence to purest form of Malsi. The problem is compounded by the fact that there is disagreement on the purest form of Malsi. And this is not really new. It started long back as soon as the Mughals came.



Both Mughals and Sultanate were equally bad as far as the Kaffirs are concerned. But, there is an internal conflict of ideas.

Excellent analysis. I would like to share my 2 cents. Any kind of reformation of Malsi by subcontinental muglistanis, forget it. Malsi is of arabia, by arabia, for arabia. However you dice and slice the various ways Malsi has manifested in the subcontinent the true Malsi is what is practiced in modern day KSA. All followers of Malsi will eventually fall into the KSA version eventually. For any true reformation it has to happen first in arabia. Any reform efforts in the subcontinent will be quickly noted by their masters in arabia and will be put down firmly.

[ramana]

The non-Arab reformists will be Ahmediyafied. Even Ali the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law was excluded to another sect!

[akashganga]

The non-Arab reformists will be Ahmediyafied. Even Ali the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law was excluded to another sect!

[Prem]

Pakistan border post strikes up new tensions with Afghanistan

Azalaf Daring Ashrafs

SLAMABAD: The construction of a border checkpost has sparked a new feud between Pakistan and neighbouring Afghanistan, with the latter already having accused the other of cross-border shelling and trying to undermine prospects of peace with the Afghan Taliban.In a meeting with Pakistan Ambassador to Afghanistan Mohammad Sadiq on Monday, Afghan Deputy Foreign Minister Jawed Ludin expressed his concerns over what it called “Pakistani military’s unilateral construction and physical reinforcement activities along the Durand Line.”According to the Afghan deputy foreign minister, the construction of the Pakistani military checkpost close to the Goshta district of Nangarhar province is “against all accepted international norms, provocative and unacceptable to the Afghan government.”“According to Afghan border police reports, these unilateral activities began a while ago along the Durand Line near the villages of Hatam Kalai and Kodzarai in Goshta district,” said a press release issued by the Afghan foreign ministry.Pakistan, however, brushed aside Ludin’s concerns, calling the construction work routine renovation on an old post.“Pakistan has an old post called Gursal well inside Pakistani territory bordering Nangarhar Province of Afghanistan, which is under routine renovation,” said Foreign Office spokesman Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry on Tuesday.

[Gerard]

Pakistani youth 'favour Sharia law over democracy'

Pakistani youth favour Sharia law over democracy, a British Council survey suggests. More than half of 5,000 18-29 year-old Pakistanis polled said democracy had not been good for them or the country.

Most of those surveyed had more faith in the army than any other institution: Its approval rating was about 70% compared with just 13% for the government.