Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 22 Apr 2013 00:01

^^ RamaY ji, I feel there is a flaw in your argument. Him having less time to make new allies only makes sense if he is doing this on his own. But this is a congress sponsored game, and hence the alliance with congress is already assured - now what will come of that alliance is anyone's guess but he is playing the game they are paying him to play. Hence this talk of him not having time to make alliances is moot. If congress plans to prop up a 3rd or 4th or 5th front then i'm sure they would have assured him of their support to lead that front.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Apr 2013 00:19

Shonu wrote:^^ RamaY ji, I feel there is a flaw in your argument. Him having less time to make new allies only makes sense if he is doing this on his own. But this is a congress sponsored game, and hence the alliance with congress is already assured - now what will come of that alliance is anyone's guess but he is playing the game they are paying him to play. Hence this talk of him not having time to make alliances is moot. If congress plans to prop up a 3rd or 4th or 5th front then i'm sure they would have assured him of their support to lead that front.

That is a very plausible view.

Congress uses Nitish to make Advani the PM candidate, thereby keeping the BJP tally low. After the election, Congress supports Nitish as leader of 3rd front govt.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2013 00:29

Kicking Nikoo out now will show the sign of decisiveness and leadership on part of Modi/BJP/NDA etc.
Let him go to Congress now and discredit himself in the eyes of Amm Janta.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 00:58

About NaMo addressing the sivagiri mutt in Kerala has the support of SNDP and NSS.
this surely must raise hackles within lefts and congis support groups.

If NaMo can sway a significant sections of ezhava community and others keralites, then congis would be happy temporarily.
Now with ruling congis on the descent, lefts have a better chance. But with NaMo around congis will look better with division of votes.

Looks like West Bengal similar position with party positions changed.

However NaMo and his supporters should go on to build a effective base for the party for future.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 01:04

NaMo definitely has across regions support amongst all sections of the party across India.
Yes he needs to do a yatra of sorts to attrcat crowds and give a glimpse og what he has achieved in Gujarat to all people.
People irrespective of caste and religions want to do good to their individula families with jobs food and employment.

NaMo talking about these will be welcomed by all, coupled with being a strong leader, capable of taking decisive decisons in the interets of country should do well.
Other major boosts is his impeccable honest, down to earth persona, razor sharp political mind, OBC, incorruptible tag etc.

The sooner he meet Indians, the better for him. Should be staggered over weeks and months with reaching crescendo over the election time.

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congis will be watching with bated breath. they have nothing positive to show for themselves but will create all hurdles including killings.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Apr 2013 03:54

I think before kicking nitish out or showing him his place, we have to factor in the rise of lalu-paswan. Even if nitish wins and creates trouble still its better to have him around then the rise of other evil duo. Perhaps BJP has to take a bit of hit in Bihar and let nitish win as that might have a chance of nitish supporting BJP after elections by some excuse(big package for bihar) as mulayam-maya support cong.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 06:52

from twitter,
it looks simple but powerful message.
NaMo has sent this twitter

Sad to know about demise of renowned mathematician Shakuntala Devi ji. She will be remembered for popularizing maths skills among many.

amazing recognising Indians.
Have seen his twitter doing all this and more.

why cant congis do this recognising Indians.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Apr 2013 06:56

Pranav wrote:
Shonu wrote:^^ RamaY ji, I feel there is a flaw in your argument. Him having less time to make new allies only makes sense if he is doing this on his own. But this is a congress sponsored game, and hence the alliance with congress is already assured - now what will come of that alliance is anyone's guess but he is playing the game they are paying him to play. Hence this talk of him not having time to make alliances is moot. If congress plans to prop up a 3rd or 4th or 5th front then i'm sure they would have assured him of their support to lead that front.
That is a very plausible view.

Congress uses Nitish to make Advani the PM candidate, thereby keeping the BJP tally low. After the election, Congress supports Nitish as leader of 3rd front govt.

By reacting harshly and hastily to NiKu Uvacha would mean any alliance partner can get BJP irritated/react/act hastily. That is not good either.

What we all are missing is that the play of all these congress-system agents can be checkmated by acting in the real field. That is the filed of real voters. There is a real need for all desh bhakts to select a parliament constituency of choice/random and work towards defeat of congress system.

All these coalition games can wait.

I think BJP should identify 350-400 seats that wants to contest and start building a strong/viable candidate list. The next step would be to get all the support they need by rallying voters for that candidate. I hope they started this exercise.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 07:06

krisna wrote:...why cant congis do this recognising Indians.

CongIs recognize Italians. It is "Italian First" for the.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 07:29

Narendra Modi slams politicians for ignoring Indian 'culture'

Emphasising the need to inculcate values in youth to control social evils, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi said traditional Indian value-based systems have been painted in "secular" and "non-secular" garb.

"If our culture is capable, energetic and progressive, social evils can be minimised. If values and culture are given prominence, then evils can be controlled," he said.

"However, in these times, value-based education systems like yoga are being weighed in terms of secularism and non-secularism," Modi said.

"Politicians involved in vote-bank politics have committed a sin by ignoring Indian culture. History will seek answers from them," he said.

In a lighter vein, Modi said the only profession where one do not require any skill or training is politics. "Politicians think that they do not require any training," he said.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 22 Apr 2013 08:03

Sushupti wrote:India should support Modi from the outside – conditionally

Modi is, in my view, a FAR BETTER option for India today than Kejriwal in terms of proven ability to deliver results as well as broadly liberal economic ideas.
sanjeev sabhlok

http://sabhlokcity.com/2013/04/india-sh ... itionally/

Interesting, Sanjeev (a friend, although I've never met him face to face) was, until recently, very reluctant to support or make any positive statements regarding NaMo in any way. Now that a leader he admires (Baba Ramdev) has gone pro-Modi, he has no choice.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 22 Apr 2013 09:43

^^^ My assessment is BR was a bargaining chip cultivated by the RSS. The fact that BR is putting in his vote implies negotiations are over.

The fact that your friend was not committing earlier should not come as a surprise. BR supporters come from smaller towns and are a disciplined lot. No gali galoch, no awaragardi, unlike Kejriwal people. And very likely there is more that BR supporters will bring to the table, indirectly. Kind of things that would be termed rash on the forum.

Re. Niku, I am getting confident, he will not leave. Kongis have given him a hiked Bihar package deal but that is not a closed deal yet. Besides Niku has the example of Sharad Pawar before him and also that of Naveen Patnaik. Two different examples of how a politician can run his career. And you can always trust Sharad Yadav to be persuaded (at a cost though). Further Niku is no Modi. Modi can attract, at least on statewide basis, votes on personal charisma. Not so for Niku, which basically implies he is only as strong as JDU MPs want him to be.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Apr 2013 09:45

^^^^

Nitish is not going anywhere saar. There is no where to go. All this is tamasha.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Apr 2013 09:52

^^ even if Modi is announced as NDA's PM candidate?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Apr 2013 09:54

The battle for Kkta seems to have been started in earnest by BJP, LKA, Sushma Swaraj etc have started the battle.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/karna ... 130421.htm

Sushma in B'luru: Why would anyone vote for Congress?

Addressing the gathering at the Malleshwaram grounds in Bengaluru, Sushma said she was proud of the work that her party had done in the state.

“The Janata Dal-Secular, on the other hand, helps the Congress at the Centre. Let us not forget that they stabbed us in the back five years back. Why would anyone want to vote for the Congress? They are corrupt, cannot tackle terrorism and have not given good governance since the past nine years. Would you want such a government in Karnataka also? The Congress has been breaking records in scams -- the 2G, coal scams to name a few.”

“On the issue of terrorism, Congress has been soft. How many times do we tell them not to speak to Pakistan until they hand over all India-wanted terrorists? Our soldiers are attacked by Pakistanis and we still want to talk to them. What has the Congress done to prevent crimes? Look at Delhi [ Images ]. No woman is safe. The Congress says let us talk. What is there to talk, they need to act,” she said.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Apr 2013 09:55

Sushupti wrote:^^ even if Modi is announced as NDA's PM candidate?

That would be interesting, but if I have to take a bet, no not even then. Only more R&D will be done and more noise, however he cant leave, the caste equations ensure that he has to ride both boats.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Apr 2013 10:10

I saw Sharad Yadav speaking on Aaj Tak yesterday. He was saying about running a governament based on a programme just like Atal. When persisted on NK talk he said the talk of NK was not about Modi. I think even Sharad got problems in NK because NK will ditch Sarad just like all these fellows kicked out Gorge Fernadez. Sharad is not a local to Bihar and in MP he can not even hope to win without BJP supporting him. So Sharad is trying to keep the relationship going as long as possible. But he was also not ready to committ for NaMo.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 22 Apr 2013 10:28

Views from the Left: Kafila's rebuttal

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Apr 2013 10:36

Anand K wrote:Views from the Left: Kafila's rebuttal

Kafila should have the same reputation on this forum as Pakdef does....more so on this thread.

If you really feel like discussing this link please do so on the other far-left sites that you frequent. Not out here please.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 22 Apr 2013 10:44

Let the Admins do the deleting the blasphemous graffiti and execute damnatio memoriae, Oh High Inquisitor.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 10:48

The only argument I thought remaining at kafila was whether the "fly goes to the filth" or the "filth comes to the fly?". Kafila is the filth IMHO. And majorly funded from LA, California.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Apr 2013 10:55

Its a matter of principle...If this article does raise any genuine points we would be happy to rebut them with facts - but only when it appears in some other more respectable site. Loony left sites like Kafila should NOT be given any encouragement here and should not be linked to at all...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Apr 2013 10:59

http://zeenews.india.com/news/madhya-pr ... 43598.html

People look at Modi as a strong leader: Uma Bharti

"Though I am not eligible to say whether Modi should be declared as BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate or not, I understand the psyche of the people, who have a feeling of insecurity because of growing terrorism, naxalism, corruption and incidents like beheading of Indian soldiers on the LoC. Therefore, they have started looking at Modi as a strong leader," Bharti told a news agency here today.

"People want a strong leader, who can tackle terrorism, naxalism, corruption and law and order... They want a leader whom they can consider as their hero. They are no more interested in goody-goody kind of persons and leaders who only sweet talk," she added.

Quite apt, I would think.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Apr 2013 11:01

MKBhadrakumar on KL politics/society.Arjunji has already given the link.Has many insights on Hindu society in general.

Modi causes flutter among Kerala politicians
Thiruvanathapuram woke up in the weekend to see big saffron-tinged billboards bearing pictures of Narendra Modi pasted all over the city walls announcing his arrival here on Wednesday. Modi is a rare visitor to this remote part of India and his charisma remains untested here.

But the real surprise is that Modi is making a quick 2-hour dash to this city exclusively to be the chief guest at the Sivagiri Mutt jubilee celebrations.
Adrenaline has begun rushing down the veins of Kerala’s politicians. They fear Modi would churn up the stagnant cesspool of Kerala’s party politics. It is a complicated story.
Clearly, it is not Modi’s ‘development’ plank that has attracted the organisers of the function at the Sivagiri Mutt.
Malayalis generally have a distaste for ‘development.’ It hardly matters to them whether Modi’s model is better than Nitish Kumar’s, because they happen to live far better than Gujaratis or Biharis.
The welfare system is so good that the Malayali won’t like Modi-style market forces. Life is easy and purchasing power parity is far above the national average and the Malayali probably got it right that his is the best development model.
Again, Modi may just be the ’strong’ leader who Uma Bharati recommends and whom (North) India needs. But given his laid-back attitude to life, the Malayali actually prefers ‘weak’ leaders whom he can manipulate.
Then again, Modi’s third famous plank — Hindutva politics — also seems out of place here where the Muslims and Christians are the ruling class and are in no mood to roll over and make way for the VHP and the Bhajrang Dal.
Now, besides the above, Modi has yet another plank, although he doesn’t talk about it — namely, his OBC identity. It is Modi’s OBC identity that is coming into play on Wednesday here in Thiruvananthapuram more than his development plank, his strong leadership qualities or his impeccable credentials as a Hindu nationalist.
The point is, Sivagiri Mutt is the spiritual Mecca of Kerala’s biggest OBC community, Ezhavas, who account for anywhere upto 20-25 percent of the state’s population.
The Ezhavas ought to be by their sheer numbers the ruling elites of the state by birthright, but ended up instead as the perennial runners-up in the steeple chase of Kerala politics. They are essentially the foot soldiers of the Left movement in Kerala. Unsurprisingly, the Sivagiri Mutt invited the venerable CPM leader V S Achutanandan to inaugurate the jubilee celebrations on Wednesday. Generally speaking, no major public function at Sivagiri is conceivable without a prominent communist leader attending it.
VS promptly accepted the invitation but since backed out when he came to know from the billboards about Modi’s presence. VS has protested that Modi’s “actions are completely against the teachings of Sri Narayana Guru [spiritual guide of the Ezhava community].”
To be sure, the Left parties smell a rat — rightly so. The CPM leader Pinarayi Vijayan sized up the obscure logarithm and has alleged that Congress Party is orchestrating the entire affair from behind the scenes.
Which is entirely conceivable, too. The 2014 poll is drawing close and the Congress-led ruling United Democratic Front government is in terrible shape. Apropos of the Left parties’ ascendancy, Congress’ best option is to resort to guerilla war.
Any drift by the Ezhava community toward BJP, away from the Left parties, would be just the ’swing’ needed at this juncture for the Congress to exploit to its advantage, considering that elections in Kerala are closely fought.
Meanwhile, it has come to light that a minister in the Kerala cabinet who visited Ahmedabad a few weeks ago apparently to take a look at Gujarat’s development model, had a quiet meeting with Modi. But, incredibly enough, Congress chief minister Oommen Chandy claims he was not in the loop.
On the contrary, BJP lost no time to acknowledge that it knew about the historic meeting in Ahmedabad. Which, in turn, lends credence to Vijayan’s allegation that Modi’s presence at the Sivagiri Mutt function could be a set-up by the Congress.
At any rate, Modi must be having a game plan worked out in his computer brain. The point is, Ezhavas are at a crossroads politically. A sizeable section of them feel their class interests do not lie any longer with the Left parties.
They are wondering how they could somehow climb the elitist bandwagon rather than be content with their subaltern role in Left politics.
This is where Modi scores over Mayawati in the battle for the heart of the Ezhava. Modi is an action-oriented leader and there are rumours circulating here that he could provide fast track for some self-styled Ezhava leaders from Kerala to set up industries in Gujarat.
So far the BJP failed to attract the Ezhavas because of its uninspiring leadership and its image as an unapologetically upper caste outfit. But the ‘Modi effect’ can help the BJP.
All in all, therefore, how Modi fares on Wednesday evening at the Sivagiri Mutt will be keenly watched. Will be don the OBC cap?
Most certainly, it will be an unlike role for Modi to stand up and be counted as an OBC leader, when he prefers to be known for his leadership qualities.

Modi cannot but factor in that a backlash is slowly, steadily building up among the Hindus of Kerala cutting across caste divides that they have been relegated as second class citizens despite being something like half the population.

But, equally, Modi is bound to see the possibilities of the moment while addressing the mammoth OBC audience on Wednesday evening. The Ezhavas are just about recognizing that he is actually one of them.
On balance, therefore, he might present a mildly intoxicating mix to his audience — Hindutva cocktail topped up with a touch of OBC squash.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 11:19

Arjun wrote:Its a matter of principle...If this article does raise any genuine points we would be happy to rebut them with facts - but only when it appears in some other more respectable site. Loony left sites like Kafila should NOT be given any encouragement here and should not be linked to at all...

+1. Any objective discourse goes out of the door when the following is raised in the rejoinder:

My apologies, for I do not have any faith in ‘facts’ – either statistical or otherwise. I am interested rather, in the discourse (call it ideology, if you will). {my point: Cleverly disguising ideology as discourse. Why should Kafila's ideology be the basis for a discourse?} Consider this: We all believe that precolonial India displayed some kind of a confluence of cultures, especially the Hindu and the Islamic, and that this produced some of the great achievements of our culture. {my point: So kafila wants to take us back to a time which they consider it a great cultural point and from an ideological point of view disguised as discourse!} {And everything is downhill from there as ad-hominem attack}. It was this ‘fact’ of living together through an osmosis of cultures that led Nehru and secular-nationalism at large to insist on the heritage of syncretism, and in some versions, even ‘secularism’. However, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, in the run-up to the demolition of Babri Masjid, the terrifying vision of Hindutva was articulated by Sadhvi Ritambhara by issuing the following threat drawing precisely on the same tradition that Nehru and secularists of different shades extolled: “Babar ki auladon, agar Bharat mein rehna hai to Rahim aur Raskhan ti ki tarah raho jinhone is desh ki maati mein Ram to talasha tha...” The same ‘fact’ of composite culture assumes another valence here. The demolition of Babari Masjid (Act I) was meant to tell the ‘descendants of Babar’ that the only way they can live in India was by being devotees of Ram, and perhaps in Gujarat you can say, by being devotees of Narendra Modi. For Modi enacted Act II of the same drama in 2002, presiding over the massacre of Muslims, in order to show them their place in Gujarat, but also, by extension, in India.

Yes, Kafila should not be even linked. They should be marked as a delusional body doing their harm like any fly., a cross between Tsetse and Gadfly would do.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 22 Apr 2013 11:45

I am no fan of Kafila, personally knew couple of these folks in my Delhi days...... but I do not like the CPIM rag or the TFT, Yawn, Dung, Zaid Hamid's belches, three-blind-Mises, Shrilleen etc etc. But these sources/views are posted here and discussed right? And Kafila ain't a forum of anonymous nobodies like PakDef (or even BRF for that matter) .... it's a blog where people of a degree of visibility (if not objectivity) are posting regularly. So what's the problem that Kafila has that say, Zaid Hamid or Pagal Seghal doesn't? What warrants a persona non grata? Maybe an Admin or two can give some reasons?

On that paragraph Disha has quoted above, there's an argument in the comments section when a "ChalatMusafir" made the same point and the author replies. It's that old narrative and meta-narrative thing the author alluded to AFAIS.....

PS: For all his (SERIOUS) faults, I give a slight tip-of-my-hat Shivam Vij for his full broadside engagement of IIPonytailM in that NDTV discussion.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Apr 2013 11:51

^^^^

IMVHO, Kafila would get much better traction on BRF if posted in one of the right threads, like "psy-ops or media-watch" -- coupled with a war cry -- "these oiseuales are it again, lets go there and rip them a new one"

This thread is more forward looking rather than "lets trash the same sheet all over again" -- issues like numbers for NaMo, internal and external opposition, real and perceived, developing real world situation, etc are getting discussed here.

The "discourse" type of stuff would sort of derail it. Kafila is not that important either.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 12:00

The problem with invented narrations is that they cause death of innocencts on the ground. This leftists are nothing but soft islamo-fascists and they should be treated as such. For them the veneer of respectibility helps them carry their business.

Will not Zaid Hamid or Pagal Sehgal be more acceptable if they were less "green"? If not, the converse is why is Kafila acceptable?

Ergo, trash like Kafila should be out of here (or should be put in BENIS material).

PS: When I mean "green" I mean in the baki sense of green.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 22 Apr 2013 12:49

Narayana Rao wrote:I saw Sharad Yadav speaking on Aaj Tak yesterday. He was saying about running a governament based on a programme just like Atal. When persisted on NK talk he said the talk of NK was not about Modi. I think even Sharad got problems in NK because NK will ditch Sarad just like all these fellows kicked out Gorge Fernadez. Sharad is not a local to Bihar and in MP he can not even hope to win without BJP supporting him. So Sharad is trying to keep the relationship going as long as possible. But he was also not ready to committ for NaMo.

The JD (U) National Secretary Shivraj Singh said about Nitish Kumar "Koi aisa saga nahi, jisko isne thaga nahi." (There is no one close to Nitish Kumar whom he has not cheated or ditched.) Nitish Kumar was an insignificant player in Bihar politics, much lower in stature or popularity than Lalu or Paswan. He got lucky because Uma Bharti pushed her case for chief ministership. The guy is thoroughly untrustworthy ingrate.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Apr 2013 13:19

http://books.rediff.com/book/the-namo-s ... w_arrivals

biography out on NaMo

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 22 Apr 2013 13:24

disha wrote:This leftists are nothing but soft islamo-fascists and they should be treated as such. For them the veneer of respectibility helps them carry their business.

Never call them leftists -- these are old-style communists who worship Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. In America, leftists are known for promoting issues like gender equality, environmentalism, human rights, etc. Indian communists deliberately use the leftist label for themselves so as to appear less dangerous than they are and hide their true identity from unsuspecting people.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Apr 2013 14:01

We have a new entrant to the Modi-bashing & Dynasty-supporting club, the Carnatic musician, T.M. Krishna.

Appropriately, these p-secs tend to gravitate towards The Hindu and they find a ready space. Comments are interesting.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 22 Apr 2013 14:52

^^^From the above article:

When I hear these statements {Inserted-about NM's success} I am filled with sadness that we as a society can easily erase people from our minds. We say that the courts have not convicted Mr. Modi, but we readily accuse someone else as being a criminal even when no verdict has been proclaimed. Essentially, economic growth seems to erase all sense of human decency.

<sniped>

I am also told that “after all the Muslims have also voted for him.” Honestly, I don’t care if all the Muslims in the world voted for him. I care that people died, not Muslims, Christians or Hindus.

<sniped>

We as human beings are built to empathise and feel for others. Let us not lose sight of this basic quality of humanity in the dream of economic comfort or seeming political “stability.” I would rather be poor than inhuman! Mr. Modi, I will not stop asking you this: “Will you take moral responsibility for the riots?” You owe this country an answer.

We hardly ever find a criticism with some substance in it. The Kongis and their supporters do not put any effort in their attacks. It is beginning to look like a game of buzkashi.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Apr 2013 14:59

Modi's Development Agenda

Till now from all that Modi has said, what can we expect:

India turns to solar energy to power itself. Other internal sources of energy would be looked at. All dependence on Oil to go.
Infrastructure building to receive attention. Primarily infrastructure which boosts commercial logistics would take precedence. More ports to come up. Railway network to connect to ports and airports.
Disinvestment from profilt-making PSUs. Upgradation and reform of loss-making PSUs.
Move towards maximum indigenous research, development and production of weapon systems.
Full computerization of administration and governance. Bureaucrats would move from desk-jobs to field jobs. Minimum Government, Maximum Governance.
More accountability and transparency in government.
Emphasis on skill development of the youth.
Removal of red-tape in India. Entrepreneurship and business would be given support.
Emphasis on Agriculture and Manufacturing, giving each a third of the responsibility for GDP growth. Value-addition to agricultural products. Perhaps value addition to mineral wealth.
FDI, Yes. FDI in Retail, No!
Turning India into a knowledge economy.
Boost to Tourism.

Add to it, if I have forgotten something.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Apr 2013 15:33

Published on Apr 22, 2013
Narendra Modi likely to meet Catholic cardinal on Kerala visit: PTI

Thiruvananthapuram: Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's proposed visit here has already kicked up a row in Kerala, but it could become more "colourful" as he may meet a cardinal of the Catholic Church while here.

There are reports that Modi might meet 53-year-old Rev. Moran Mar Baselios Cleemis Catholicos, head of the capital-city headquartered Syro Malankara Catholic Church, in the state capital.

The cardinal was ordained at the Vatican November 24 last year, and became the youngest cardinal in the Catholic Church.

He was also part of the conclave that elected Pope Francis.

According to a top BJP source, Modi is likely to call on the new cardinal at his headquarters here April 24, as the Gujarat Chief Minister arrives in the state to take part in the Sivagiri Mutt's silver jubilee celebrations.

"It's all a question of timing for the cardinal. If the timing is right, the meeting could take place. Modi will drive from the airport to the Church headquarters. If he is not meeting the cardinal, he will take a helicopter to Varkala (where the mutt is located) to take part in the celebrations. After the celebrations, he will fly back in a chartered flight," said a source in the BJP requesting anonymity.

Modi has featured in recent debates in the state, after state Labour Minister Shibhu Baby John met him in Gujarat last week. Top Congress and Left leaders have condemned that meeting, and the engineer-turned labour minister was forced to admit that the visit was ill-advised.

Sunday, CPI-M state secretary Pinarayi Vijayan said it was wrong for the Hindu mutt to invite Modi. The general secretary of the mutt, Rithambharananda Swamikel, retorted that the invitation was no political matter, and the religious institution had also extended invitations for the celebrations to Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Defence Minister A.K. Antony. Only Modi had accepted the invitation, he said.

State BJP president V Muraleedharan slammed the CPI-M for its "restlessness" over the visit of a chief minister.

"They accuse Modi of the Gujarat riots (of 2002) but the CPI-M shared the stage with Abdul Nasir Maudany, an accused in Coimbatore blasts (he was later acquitted) and in the Bangalore blast case. They have no right to say whom not to invite," said Muraleedharan, asking if the CPI-M would accept advice from the Sivagiri mutt on which leaders to invite to its party meetings.

With the Ezhavas and some other parties, Modi may be trying to bring Kerala into play.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Apr 2013 15:36

RajeshA wrote:

India turns to solar energy to power itself. Other internal sources of energy would be looked at. All dependence on Oil to go.

Infrastructure building to receive attention. Primarily infrastructure which boosts commercial logistics would take precedence. More ports to come up. Railway network to connect to ports and airports.

Disinvestment from profilt-making PSUs. Upgradation and reform of loss-making PSUs.

Move towards maximum indigenous research, development and production of weapon systems.

Full computerization of administration and governance. Bureaucrats would move from desk-jobs to field jobs. Minimum Government, Maximum Governance.

More accountability and transparency in government.

Emphasis on skill development of the youth.

Removal of red-tape in India. Entrepreneurship and business would be given support.

Emphasis on Agriculture and Manufacturing, giving each a third of the responsibility for GDP growth. Value-addition to agricultural products. Perhaps value addition to mineral wealth.

Turning India into a knowledge economy.

Boost to Tourism.

I would also add

- First priority for systematically growing the Pie, ie GDP Growth, before Redistribution schemes that seek to break the pie up
- Focus on Export Competitiveness of Indian industry - Indian entrepreneurs to be encouraged towards capturing as much of the world market as possible in various sectors

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 Apr 2013 15:43

RajeshA wrote:Published on Apr 22, 2013
Narendra Modi likely to meet Catholic cardinal on Kerala visit: PTI

Thiruvananthapuram: Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's proposed visit here has already kicked up a row in Kerala, but it could become more "colourful" as he may meet a cardinal of the Catholic Church while here.

There are reports that Modi might meet 53-year-old Rev. Moran Mar Baselios Cleemis Catholicos, head of the capital-city headquartered Syro Malankara Catholic Church, in the state capital.

The cardinal was ordained at the Vatican November 24 last year, and became the youngest cardinal in the Catholic Church.

He was also part of the conclave that elected Pope Francis.

According to a top BJP source, Modi is likely to call on the new cardinal at his headquarters here April 24, as the Gujarat Chief Minister arrives in the state to take part in the Sivagiri Mutt's silver jubilee celebrations.

"It's all a question of timing for the cardinal. If the timing is right, the meeting could take place. Modi will drive from the airport to the Church headquarters. If he is not meeting the cardinal, he will take a helicopter to Varkala (where the mutt is located) to take part in the celebrations. After the celebrations, he will fly back in a chartered flight," said a source in the BJP requesting anonymity.

Modi has featured in recent debates in the state, after state Labour Minister Shibhu Baby John met him in Gujarat last week. Top Congress and Left leaders have condemned that meeting, and the engineer-turned labour minister was forced to admit that the visit was ill-advised.

Sunday, CPI-M state secretary Pinarayi Vijayan said it was wrong for the Hindu mutt to invite Modi. The general secretary of the mutt, Rithambharananda Swamikel, retorted that the invitation was no political matter, and the religious institution had also extended invitations for the celebrations to Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Defence Minister A.K. Antony. Only Modi had accepted the invitation, he said.

State BJP president V Muraleedharan slammed the CPI-M for its "restlessness" over the visit of a chief minister.

"They accuse Modi of the Gujarat riots (of 2002) but the CPI-M shared the stage with Abdul Nasir Maudany, an accused in Coimbatore blasts (he was later acquitted) and in the Bangalore blast case. They have no right to say whom not to invite," said Muraleedharan, asking if the CPI-M would accept advice from the Sivagiri mutt on which leaders to invite to its party meetings.
With the Ezhavas and some other parties, Modi may be trying to bring Kerala into play.

He will nothing to gain and everything to lose. All is this useless hope, bjp will not win a single seat in kerala. On the flip side u will have a few sangh people and hardcore guys shouting that this is modi's jinnah moment.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Apr 2013 15:56

muraliravi wrote:He will nothing to gain and everything to lose. All is this useless hope, bjp will not win a single seat in kerala. On the flip side u will have a few sangh people and hardcore guys shouting that this is modi's jinnah moment.

From a position of strength one can talk to anybody! No Jinnah moment this.

Secondly Kerala is going the Kashmir way - too much Islam creeping in and both Congress and Left are allowing this. Is that in the best interests of the Christians there in Kerala?

One needs a BJP government there as soon as possible, even if it means shaking hands with the Vatican. Always look at what the current challenge is.

Thirdly it could be that Bharatiyas may want to negotiate a proselytization stop and see what is the possibility of that. Also showing contempt towards Sanatan Dharma too needs to stop.

Fourthly BJP may be interested in breaking the Islamo-Christianist coalition in India.

All in all, it is important to have a lay of the land.

kish · Post by **kish** » 22 Apr 2013 16:48

Even modi haters can't deny that he is an efficient administrator.

'The celebration of Modi is a bit premature'

There is a connection because if you say the Sonia Gandhi-supported National Rural Employment Guarantee scheme was one form of development, Modi's is a different form of development, more based on corporate development and rapid urbanisation.

See, at one level you can say that Modi is a more efficient administrator, but you have to understand that Modi's administration began with genocide. Also, Modi's urbanisation is basically based on rapid development of the cities.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Apr 2013 17:05

RajeshA wrote:Modi's Development Agenda

Till now from all that Modi has said, what can we expect:

India turns to solar energy to power itself. Other internal sources of energy would be looked at. All dependence on Oil to go. {Though solar has been stressed never has it been spoken as a replacement to our energy imports}

Infrastructure building to receive attention. Primarily infrastructure which boosts commercial logistics would take precedence. More ports to come up. Railway network to connect to ports and airports.

Disinvestment from profilt-making PSUs. Upgradation and reform of loss-making PSUs.{Disinvestment is not stressed rather bringing in professionalism and autonomy to PSU management was stressed }

Move towards maximum indigenous research, development and production of weapon systems.{Indigenous production was stressed - nothing spoken about Indigenous research on weapons -actually nothing spoken about how this production will be achieved}

Full computerization of administration and governance. Bureaucrats would move from desk-jobs to field jobs. Minimum Government, Maximum Governance.

More accountability and transparency in government.

Emphasis on skill development of the youth.

Removal of red-tape in India. Entrepreneurship and business would be given support.

Emphasis on Agriculture and Manufacturing, giving each a third of the responsibility for GDP growth. Value-addition to agricultural products. Perhaps value addition to mineral wealth.

FDI, Yes. FDI in Retail, No!

Turning India into a knowledge economy.

Boost to Tourism.
Add to it, if I have forgotten something.

Some points where my understanding of Modi's policy as expressed by him, defers