Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 06:40

Anindya wrote:Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

one of the first places to look for

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Apr 2013 06:44

krisna wrote:
Anindya wrote:Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
one of the first places to look for

No. Look here

American Mujahideen. Sleeper cells in America.

Pakistan is an ally and terrorism in America by Americans cannot be blamed on Pakistan. This is homegrown American terror. Of course if you ill treat Muslims some misguided ones may protest and do illegal things. But Pakistan cannot be blamed for that

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Apr 2013 06:46

Wheelan, Charles Naked Statistics: Stripping the Dread from the Data

There is an academic literature on terrorists and suicide bombers— a subject that would be difficult to study by means of human subjects (or lab rats for that matter). One such book, What Makes a Terrorist, was written by one of my graduate school statistics professors. The book draws its conclusions from data gathered on terrorist attacks around the world. A sample finding: Terrorists are not desperately poor, or poorly educated. The author, Princeton economist Alan Krueger, concludes, “Terrorists tend to be drawn from well-educated, middle-class or high-income families.” 7

Why? Well, that exposes one of the limitations of regression analysis. We can isolate a strong association between two variables by using statistical analysis, but we cannot necessarily explain why that relationship exists, and in some cases, we cannot know for certain that the relationship is causal, meaning that a change in one variable is really causing a change in the other. In the case of terrorism, Professor Krueger hypothesizes that since terrorists are motivated by political goals, those who are most educated and affluent have the strongest incentive to change society. These individuals may also be particularly rankled by suppression of freedom, another factor associated with terrorism. In Krueger’s study, countries with high levels of political repression have more terrorist activity (holding other factors constant).

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Apr 2013 06:52

^^^
They are making a fundamental mistake. Terrorists come from Pakistan. They dont need to be educated or illiterate, rich or poor. Kasab for example was illiterate and poor. I am sure that his compatriots who were given their 72 by NSG were illiterate and poor too. The key difference between India and the west is that only rich and literate people get visas to western countries. If they shared a border with Pakistan, they would get poor and illiterate terrorists too -- like India and Afghanistan. If you purely base your data set on failed and successful terror attacks by :cough: abrahamic religion terrorists :cough: most probably they were immigrants. And most probably the immigrants were upper middle class with good education. And most probably second gen immigrants. Terrorists, "retire" by around 50 or so (less testosterone? less drive? short life expectancy?) so if you are a first gen immigrant who is poor, you probably have crossed 50 and it is left to your son to carry on your torch. A first gen immigrant below 40, is most probably a student and/or businessman who can travel freely and by definition is educated and/or reasonably well off.

The "educated middle class terrorist" is a myth created due to immigration policies. Pakistan produces terrorists of all economic and educational backgrounds without any discrimination.

shiv wrote:I suspect that cases against Musharraf will go on for a while, and then be dropped or they will say he has served his sentence under house arrest. After that he will be a free and wealthy man in his home country, like Xerox Khan.

He will not be killed unless the Taliban get him. There are too many crooks of the Musharraf type in Pakistan and his killing by the system would put all of them in danger from within the system. That will not be allowed.

Shiv-ji
Lal Masjid was a serious issue for the talibs and is probably the last straw that created the TTP. Remember that Salman Taseer was killed by a Ghazi outside a posh cafe for a far lesser crime of simply seeking pardon for a blasphemer. If Mush is offered police protection, he better be careful about being Qadrified. After which the lawyers will shower rose petals on Mush's Qadri.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Apr 2013 06:55

Even if there is support from various organs of the state of TSP, its 'compulsions' must be understood. The only way is to give them more aid, arm them to their teeth so that they do not feel vulnerable against a threatening giant neighbour, and resolve outstanding India-TSP issues in Pakistan's favour to offset long-standing grievances. It is time that Pakistan is also accorded a civilian nuclear deal superior to India's because perceived 'tilt' towards India is a major cause of Pakistan's heartburn making it behave erratically.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Apr 2013 07:02

As my fourth cousin one said, the only way to resolve the problem of terrorism from a insecure and conventionally inferior Pakistan is to give them aid, weapons and nuke deal, so we can have terrorism from a secure and conventionally superior Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Apr 2013 07:12

Musharraf is indeed in a grave situation. If Nawaz Sharif becomes the PM, he will take a sweet revenge for taking away the gaddi, incarcerating him in Kot Lakhpat, exiling him for ten long years under strict Ts&Cs to the desert Kingdom and then humiliating him at the Lahore airport when he returned defiantly after BB's return. If Imran Khan gets power, Musharraf will again face huge issues because the fake-Pathan is an inveterate hater of this mohajir. He has been consistently justifying TTP as a reaction to Musharraf's actions in allowing the AMericans a free hand in Af-Pak. Imran Khan also needs to rehabilitate himself vis-a-vis TTP and prosecuting Musharraf would be seen by him as an excellent opportunity. If Zardari & Co retain power, they will also not go any easy on him but there is a ray of hope for Musharraf because PPP is susceptible to American pressure more than anybody else. But, to Musharraf's misfortune, Zardari & Co has very bleak chances of retaining power. Above all, the judiciary is gunning big time for Musharraf and CJP Iftikhar Choudhry and some of his colleagues in the SC will be itching to do something before the CJP himself retires in December this year.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Apr 2013 07:16

Anujan wrote: . . . so we can have terrorism from a secure and conventionally superior Pakistan

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2013 08:17

SSridhar ji,

Doesn't paki constitution, as it exist today, bar PM ship for Badmash as he already had two terms although incomplete? Can he become PM even if he wins required majority within current constitution?

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 22 Apr 2013 08:24

shiv wrote:
Pakistan is an ally and terrorism in America by Americans cannot be blamed on Pakistan. This is homegrown American terror. Of course if you ill treat Muslims some misguided ones may protest and do illegal things. But Pakistan cannot be blamed for that

Shiv-jee
I think Khan are equating 'cold war era' sleeper cells with 'terrorism era' sleeper cells. In the past, sleeper cells were designed to inflict maximum damage to the State without really harming the common citizen on the ground. In today's terrorism era, its exactly opposite. today's sleeper cells are established so as to inflict maximum injury to common people on ground and keeping maximum distance from State Authorities. People like Nidal Malik Hasan, Faisal Shezad, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, Richard Reid, etc are expendable piglets to these cells. The real sleeper cells are the Al-Awlaki's, Anjem Choudhry's, Samir Khan's etc. whose only job is to recruit, under the radar, as many demented henchmen as possible, ofcourse with promise of their "72". The cells are Active , under the umbrella of religious freedom, in many prayer houses. Until uncle wakes up to this realty, as to where exactly the hatred for west is stemming from, it will continue to have small firefights every now and then, rather than address the main problem with determination. If khan continues to look at current problem with the lens of cold war era, it will never succeed.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Apr 2013 08:57

Anujan ji,
Great posts.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Apr 2013 09:47

Satya_anveshi wrote:Doesn't paki constitution, as it exist today, bar PM ship for Badmash as he already had two terms although incomplete? Can he become PM even if he wins required majority within current constitution?

Satya ji, it is my impression that the 18th Amendment, passed by the Zardari government, removed that restriction.

The history of that two-term clause along with a few other clauses bears the ingenuity stamp of the Generalissimo. The 'Qualification to Hold Public Offices Order, 2002' was introduced by him, barring anyone from holding the office of prime minister twice, clearly targeting the two former prime ministers, Sharif and Benazir Bhutto. Another, the 'Political Parties Order, 2002', prevented those disqualified from seeking election to parliament on corruption and other criminal convictions under Article 63 of the 1973 constitution from holding party posts. The LFO (the Legal Framework Order) amended Article 63 to include non-payment of utility bills and loans as well as convictions for absconding from court as sufficient grounds for disqualification. The 'absconder' clause was Bhutto-specific as she had earlier been convicted for failing to appear in court in a corruption case. In addition, the holding of a bachelor’s degree was made compulsory for contesting elections. While this condition disqualified almost half the members of the National and Provincial Assemblies dissolved after the October 1999 coup, candidates of the Islamic parties emerged unscathed as most of them hold madrassa degrees that were granted equivalence. For example, the Chief of the most sectarian terrorist outfit Sipah-e-Sahaba-Pakistan (SSP), Azzam Tariq, and against whom many murder cases were pending, was allowed to fight the elections from the jail as he agreed to join the Musharraf alliance even as many other politicians were disqualified under one pretext or another.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 22 Apr 2013 18:34

Kammandu gets a breather..

Interim government refuses to act against Musharraf

Now a refreshed gola can commence downhill skiing..

saip · Post by **saip** » 22 Apr 2013 18:55

When did Kaneria convert?

Kaneria, speaking to ESPNcricinfo outside the court during a break in proceedings, said of the original case: "The evidence was not strong, it's one man's word against another man's word and you can't cut a man's hands off with that as evidence. How can they take my livelihood with one man's word against another? Only almighty God can judge me and Inshallah he will look after me, I have faith. I would be happy to bowl for Pakistan again. I would love to do it."

Link

kish · Post by **kish** » 22 Apr 2013 19:08

For killing just 4 paki pig soldiers, Taliban has wasted an IED. I condemn this reprehensible act of Taliban. They could have easily done it with few bullets.

Four soldiers killed in NWA IED blast

Four soldiers of the Pakistan Army were killed and four others sustained injuries when an improvised explosive device (IED) hit a military convoy near the Khajoori area of Mir Ali subdivision in North Waziristan on Sunday.

Security officials said the military convoy was on its way to Miranshah, the headquarters of North Waziristan, from Bannu when it came under attack.They said unknown people had planted an IED under the bridge in the Khajoori area, considered as the gateway to North Waziristan. It went off when the military convoy was passing through the area, they added.

Military officials said four soldiers died on the spot while four others sustained injuries. The injured soldiers were shifted to the military hospital in Bannu.Those died in the blast were identified as Sepoy Assadullah, Sepoy Fazal Azeem, Zulfiqar Masih, a sweeper, and Sepoy Sharif.

kish · Post by **kish** » 22 Apr 2013 19:15

The cat and mouse game is in full flow. Yesterday, it was MQM workers. Today, it is ANP workers. May Allah grant them more rabidness and ferocity to kill each other more often and in large numbers.

Two ANP activists gunned down in Pishin

Two activists of Awami National Party (ANP) were killed in unknown assailants’ firing at the party’s rally here on Sunday.

The incident occurred in Karbala area of the city when motorcycle-riding gunmen opened fire on ANP workers.The deceased were ANP Unit’s president Mustafa Agha and an activist Naqeebullah. Another activist was injured in the incident

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 22 Apr 2013 19:18

He didn't.. just uses Inshallah in day-to-day conversation.. it seems to be a Paki Hindu thing as well.
If he had converted, the Pukes would have been crowing about it for a while now.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 22 Apr 2013 22:27

From fb

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2013 22:44

SSridhar wrote:Satya ji, it is my impression that the 18th Amendment, passed by the Zardari government, removed that restriction.

The history of that two-term clause along with a few other clauses bears the ingenuity stamp of the Generalissimo. The 'Qualification to Hold Public Offices Order, 2002' was introduced by him, barring anyone from holding the office of prime minister twice, clearly targeting the two former prime ministers, Sharif and Benazir Bhutto. Another, the 'Political Parties Order, 2002', prevented those disqualified from seeking election to parliament on corruption and other criminal convictions under Article 63 of the 1973 constitution from holding party posts. The LFO (the Legal Framework Order) amended Article 63 to include non-payment of utility bills and loans as well as convictions for absconding from court as sufficient grounds for disqualification. The 'absconder' clause was Bhutto-specific as she had earlier been convicted for failing to appear in court in a corruption case. In addition, the holding of a bachelor’s degree was made compulsory for contesting elections. While this condition disqualified almost half the members of the National and Provincial Assemblies dissolved after the October 1999 coup, candidates of the Islamic parties emerged unscathed as most of them hold madrassa degrees that were granted equivalence. For example, the Chief of the most sectarian terrorist outfit Sipah-e-Sahaba-Pakistan (SSP), Azzam Tariq, and against whom many murder cases were pending, was allowed to fight the elections from the jail as he agreed to join the Musharraf alliance even as many other politicians were disqualified under one pretext or another.

Thank you, SS ji, for great response!

. Wiki chacha confirms the impact of 18th amendment.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2013 23:04

Saty_Anveshi,
Many dilli billi folks think BRF is a Pak belt group for the knowledge of all things Paki!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2013 23:12

http://dawn.com/2013/03/26/motorcycle-d ... hir-mehdi/
The sikhs of nankana Sahib: Life Under The Shadow of Towering Hate\

( Had this Holy place been in India ,it would have been a crowded place 24/7/365)

Nankana is to Sikhs what Makkah is to Muslims. The birth place of their holy prophet, Baba Guru Nanak. There are relics of Sikhism all around as Baba had spent the early part of his life in this town situated in the middle of Rachna Doab. Each of these relics later became a place of worship and a pilgrimage point.I stayed under the same cover on my second night out with my friend Kalyan Singh who is a lecturer of Punjabi at the Government College, Gujranwala. Punjabi is sacred to Sikhs as it is the language of their holy book, Granth Sahab. But the lingua franca of the 200 plus Sikh families here is Pashto as almost all of them have migrated from tribal areas and Pakhtunkhwa. Nankana Sahab is their last hope. They are trying to take refuge under this tamboo of which barely a piece is left.This tiny community living under the shadow of the walls of Gurudwaras faces grave problems. Gurudwaras are sacred for Sikhs but for the most Muslims of Nankana, they are real estate, profitable plots of land. There are businesses and residences settled all over the occupied land and the promotion of religious intolerance makes simple business sense for these occupants.
No politician is ready to take up the issue. The Sikh votes are too few and the community too insecure and vulnerable to take any political sides. Their depoliticisation is enhanced by their disenfranchisement which is a result of the difficulties that they face in getting an identity card.

Kalyan Singh who is pursuing his doctorate at tge Punjab University had bruises on his hands and face the day I met him. He told me that while in a government office today, he was shoved and pushed to the ground by a stranger for nothing. “It happens many a times, people misbehave with us in public for the fun of it,” he told me with a grim face. I am afraid that some must do it for a sawab as well.And if you think that I am being a cynic, I have concrete evidence to prove you wrong.
A massive mosque is under construction just next to Gurudwara Janam Asthan. Its minaret is so tall that it could not be constructed the way minarets of most mosques are. So, it has a special design that enables the maulanas to snarl at this minuscule community from the heights of their hateful selves. The mosque is designed to dwarf the Gurudwara. A further element of insult, that is cast in concrete is that the prayer compound of the mosque is constructed on an unusually high platform, that is higher than the highest point of the prayer hall of the Gurudwara. So that the Muslims can remain a floor above. Does that make them nearer to God?The eateries in the entire bazaar that is frequented by the local Sikhs either plainly refuse to serve them or have separate cups and glasses for them. Kalyan Singh who has spent almost his entire here can even tell you which rehri wala will serve him and which won’t.The more debilitating of their problems are again about the documentation of their citizenship status. There are cases when a child was not able to sit for their matriculation the matric exam for want of a B form.Most Sikh children study in a school that is set up especially by their community but they admit children of other faiths as well. It is headed by a Muslim educationist and the teachers are Muslims too. The school teaches the subject of Islamiyat to all children as no alternative to this subject exists in the government prescribed syllabi.
Just when I was struggling to invent hope in this hopeless environment, I found it. A tale of two friends – may it blossom for ever. Meet Mahnoor and Balvinder Kaur:

( Watch the Videos to see the fear and segregation)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2013 23:15

The two Plastic glasses are reserved for Sikhs to drink water separate from Muslims .

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Apr 2013 00:51

Now a terrorist plot in Canada. Wait for it, wait for it for Pakistani connection.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 23 Apr 2013 00:54

saip garu, link please

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 01:09

venug wrote:saip garu, link please

From Yahoo news : Canada thwarts plot to blow up U.S.-Canada rail line

By Euan Rocha

TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian security forces thwarted a plot to blow up a rail line between Canada and the United States and will announce arrests on Monday afternoon, police and intelligence agencies said.

U.S. security and law enforcement sources also said the suspects had sought to attack the railroad between Toronto and New York City. Canadian media said two men had been arrested after raids in Toronto and Montreal, Canada's two biggest cities.

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BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 01:17

From CBS news : Alleged terror plot targeting Via train thwarted

Canadian police say they have arrested two men and thwarted a plot to carry out a major terrorist attack on a Via passenger train in the Greater Toronto Area.

The two accused are Chiheb Esseghaier, 30, of Montreal and Raed Jaser, 35, from Toronto. They have been charged with conspiracy to carry out a terrorist attack and "conspiring to murder persons unknownn for the benefit of, at the direction of, or in association with a terrorist group."

The two men arrested are not Canadian citizens, police said.

The RCMP accuses the two men of conspiring to commit "al-Qaeda-supported" attack. Chief Supt. Jennifer Strachan said the two suspects watched trains and railways in the Greater Toronto Area.

"We are alleging that these two individuals took steps and conducted activities to initiate a terrorist attack," she told reporters.

Strachan said the attack was in the planning state but "not imminent."

In a statement, RCMP said while they believe the individuals accused had the "capacity and intent" to carry out an attack, they believed there was "no imminent threat" to the public, rail employees, train passengers or infrastructure.

The two men are expected to appear at Old City Hall courthouse in Toronto tomorrow.

Had this plot been carried out, it would have resulted in innocent people being killed or seriously injured, RCMP assistant Commissioner Jammies Malizia told reporters on Monday.

Police said the investigation was ongoing, but declined to provide details.

Highly placed sources tell CBC News the alleged plotters have been under surveillance for more than a year in Quebec and southern Ontario.

The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

According to a Reuters report, U.S. law enforcement and national security sources said the alleged plot targeted a railroad between Toronto and New York City.

The arrests Monday morning were co-ordinated and executed by a special joint task force of RCMP and CSIS anti-terrorism units, combined with provincial and municipal police forces in Ontario and Quebec.

The RCMP are expected to hold a press conference Monday afternoon to announce the arrests and provide details of the alleged plot, and give an overview of the extensive police and intelligence operation.

Law enforcement officials say the terror suspects arrested today have no connection to the two brothers accused of last week's Boston Marathon bombings.

They also say there is no tie to the former London, Ont., high school friends who joined al-Qaeda and died earlier this year while helping to stage a bloody attack on an Algerian gas refinery
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akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 23 Apr 2013 01:51

Jhujar wrote:
Nankana is to Sikhs what Makkah is to Muslims. The birth place of their holy prophet, Baba Guru Nanak. There are relics of Sikhism all around as Baba had spent the early part of his life in this town situated in the middle of Rachna Doab. Each of these relics later became a place of worship and a pilgrimage point.I stayed under the same cover on my second night out with my friend Kalyan Singh who is a lecturer of Punjabi at the Government College, Gujranwala. Punjabi is sacred to Sikhs as it is the language of their holy book, Granth Sahab. But the lingua franca of the 200 plus Sikh families here is Pashto as almost all of them have migrated from tribal areas and Pakhtunkhwa. Nankana Sahab is their last hope. They are trying to take refuge under this tamboo of which barely a piece is left.This tiny community living under the shadow of the walls of Gurudwaras faces grave problems. Gurudwaras are sacred for Sikhs but for the most Muslims of Nankana, they are real estate, profitable plots of land. There are businesses and residences settled all over the occupied land and the promotion of religious intolerance makes simple business sense for these occupants.
No politician is ready to take up the issue. The Sikh votes are too few and the community too insecure and vulnerable to take any political sides. Their depoliticisation is enhanced by their disenfranchisement which is a result of the difficulties that they face in getting an identity card.

Kalyan Singh who is pursuing his doctorate at tge Punjab University had bruises on his hands and face the day I met him. He told me that while in a government office today, he was shoved and pushed to the ground by a stranger for nothing. “It happens many a times, people misbehave with us in public for the fun of it,” he told me with a grim face. I am afraid that some must do it for a sawab as well.And if you think that I am being a cynic, I have concrete evidence to prove you wrong.
A massive mosque is under construction just next to Gurudwara Janam Asthan. Its minaret is so tall that it could not be constructed the way minarets of most mosques are. So, it has a special design that enables the maulanas to snarl at this minuscule community from the heights of their hateful selves. The mosque is designed to dwarf the Gurudwara. A further element of insult, that is cast in concrete is that the prayer compound of the mosque is constructed on an unusually high platform, that is higher than the highest point of the prayer hall of the Gurudwara. So that the Muslims can remain a floor above. Does that make them nearer to God?The eateries in the entire bazaar that is frequented by the local Sikhs either plainly refuse to serve them or have separate cups and glasses for them. Kalyan Singh who has spent almost his entire here can even tell you which rehri wala will serve him and which won’t.The more debilitating of their problems are again about the documentation of their citizenship status. There are cases when a child was not able to sit for their matriculation the matric exam for want of a B form.Most Sikh children study in a school that is set up especially by their community but they admit children of other faiths as well. It is headed by a Muslim educationist and the teachers are Muslims too. The school teaches the subject of Islamiyat to all children as no alternative to this subject exists in the government prescribed syllabi.
Just when I was struggling to invent hope in this hopeless environment, I found it. A tale of two friends – may it blossom for ever. Meet Mahnoor and Balvinder Kaur:

( Watch the Videos to see the fear and segregation)

Perfect example of what islam does to its pre-islamic past. It tramples all traces of its pre-islamic past.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Apr 2013 03:03

“It happens many a times, people misbehave with us in public for the fun of it,” he told me with a grim face. I am afraid that some must do it for a sawab as well.

Speaks volumes about semitic religions.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Apr 2013 03:22

akashganga wrote: Perfect example of what islam does to its pre-islamic past. It tramples all traces of its pre-islamic past.

Its shame on us that these inbreds have been able to do in our own land. Its the punishment for the failure of partition leadership.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 23 Apr 2013 04:03

What is Sawab?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Apr 2013 04:11

Sawab: Getting Brownie points in your account so that AOA can judge favourably on judgement day.

getting religious merit / reward

For example Ajmal Kasab was told to kill kafirs because he would gain 'sawab' (Kasab said so in his interview). One is supposed to do good deeds, like helping the poor, being honest etc etc.
But Pakis being Pakhis have extended this to:
1. Torturing Kafirs
2. Trying to convert Kafirs to Muslims - greatest amount of Sawab / Brownie points to be gained.

People pl remember one Paki who was manning a shop in massaland when an individual came in with a gun and tried to rob him. Paki managed to disarm the guy, and the robber broke down in tears and apologized. Promptly our Paki did what would be expected of a Pakhi, he tried to convert that guy to Islam.

The robber left the shop cursing the Paki.
There is a youtube video about this incident.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 23 Apr 2013 04:12

Thanks Gagan...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Apr 2013 04:58

AoA actually meant being hanged by a kafir in kafir land is sawab.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Apr 2013 06:18

Gagan wrote:But Pakis being Pakhis have extended this to:
1. Torturing Kafirs
2. Trying to convert Kafirs to Muslims - greatest amount of Sawab / Brownie points to be gained.

Gagan saab, no, it was not the Pakis who extended that. It is all there in the original and they are simply following that being true blue mard-e-momin.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Apr 2013 09:52

Benazir murder case: Musharraf set to appear in ATC

This DLP Qadi is also after Sawab

RAWALPINDI: Former military ruler Pervez Musharraf was set to appear in the Rawalpindi anti-terrorist court which is scheduled to hear the Beynazir Bhutto murder case today.He had reached the premises of the anti-terrorist court.Earlier, the court had summoned all accused, including the retired general, for the case’s April 23 hearing.The former president is currently under judicial custody and is residing in his farmhouse residence of Chuk Shahzad on the outskirts of Islamabad. The farmhouse was declared a sub-jail by the anti-terrorist court in Islamabad as it heard the judges’ detention case against the former military strongman.Benazir Bhutto was assassinated in a gun-and-bomb attack outside Rawalpindi’s Liaquat Bagh on December 27, 2007. She was killed after addressing an election campaign rally in the city.The ATC had indicted Musharraf in the case in February 2011, and in August the same year he was declared a proclaimed offender and his property was attached because of his absence.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Apr 2013 09:58

sanjaykumar wrote:“It happens many a times, people misbehave with us in public for the fun of it,” he told me with a grim face. I am afraid that some must do it for a sawab as well.
Speaks volumes about semitic religions.

The same mentality egged them on to interrupt festivals,processions and other happy celebrations. Yet our Nalayakular Secular Heckulars say otherwise.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Apr 2013 11:38

Ex-Generals warn that Army would not tolerate humiliation of Musharraf - DAWN

As the complainant in the judges detention case filed another petition for the transfer of former president General (retired) Pervez Musharraf to the Central Jail Adiala, ex-generals warned that the army would not tolerate if the lawyers continued pushing their former chief to the wall.

The complainant in the judges detention case through his lawyer Chaudhry Mohammad Ashraf Gujjar maintained in the petition filed with the Islamabad High Court that after dismissal of the pre-arrest bail petition of Mr Musharraf, chief commissioner Islamabad Tariq Mehmood Pirzada and inspector general of Islamabad police Bani Amin Khan had extended undue favour to the former president by declaring his Chak Shahzad farmhouse as a sub-jail.

The petition said the accused did not join the investigation despite the court directions. Mr Musharraf was a proclaimed offender and being an accused in a terrorism-related offence, he was not entitled to being kept at a place other than the Adiala Jail.

He requested the court to set aside the notification of April 20 according to which the residence of the former general has been declared as a sub-jail.

When contacted, Qamar Afzal, the counsel for Mr Musharraf, said the lawyers were dragging the former president in the courts for their own publicity.

He alleged that during the hearings the lawyers did not maintain the decorum of the court and passed unethical remarks and even used abusive language against the former president of Pakistan.

According to him, the lawyers trying to humiliate the former president wanted to get publicity by indulging in such unethical practices.

Talking to Dawn, defence analyst General (retired) Jamshed Ayaz said the military was closely monitoring the situation. He said at least nine corps commanders currently serving in the army were promoted during the Musharraf regime.

He claimed that Musharraf still enjoyed support within the army ranks and the incumbent army chief General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should play a role to save Mr Musharraf from such a humiliation.

“Otherwise Musharraf’s sympathisers may intervene to rescue the former military chief,” he added.

General (retired) Faiz Ali Chishti, the president of the ex-servicemen society, was of the view that Musharraf has to face the court in case he had done something wrong but the lawyers should not be allowed to treat him as a criminal.

“An accused, in the eye of law, remains innocent until or unless he is proved guilty,” he said, adding after proving the charge against the accused courts announce its verdicts and it was executed by the law enforcement agencies and the lawyers’ role was only to assist the courts.

But in the case of former president Gen Musharraf, the black coats are trying to take the law into their own hands which is not acceptable, he further said.

There was, however, some division among the ex-servicemen over the treatment of Mr Musharraf. Brigadier (retired) Mian Mohammad Mehmood, a representative of retired army officers association, claimed that there was no sympathy for Gen Musharraf within the ex-servicemen. He said Musharraf was reaping what he had sown in 2007 when he sacked the judges of the superior judiciary.

“We were with the lawyers and the civil society during the movement for restoration of the judges and rendered sacrifices for the supremacy of the law,” said Brig Mehmood.

He, however, added that the lawyers should show decency during the appearance of Mr Musharraf in the courts to prove that they had fought for the supremacy of the law and let the court to decide the fate of the former dictator.

Former chief of the army staff General (retired) Aslam Baig, on the other hand, said the army would not tolerate these developments after a certain level.

He told Dawn that certain quarters were encouraging the lawyers against the former military chief. “Otherwise they could not dare to humiliate the former COAS who ruled the country for more than a decade,” he added.

According to him, certain elements laid a trap for Musharraf while he was abroad by giving him an impression through the social media that the whole country was waiting for him and he would be warmly welcomed upon arrival in Pakistan.

After his arrival, planned and coordinated efforts are being made to humiliate him and to provoke the military by dragging the institution into unnecessary litigation along with Gen Musharraf, he added.

“The situation may turn dangerous if the lawyers continued to humiliate the former military chief and tried to drag the institution into the courts,” he added.

According to senior analyst Ayesha Siddiqa, army had tried to stop Gen Musharraf from coming back to Pakistan but the former general ignored the advice.

She said the army would not come to his rescue because it would again destroy its image if it tried any adventure.

The army after consistent efforts is restoring its image and to some extent has achieved certain targets and it cannot undo this for the sake of Mr Musharraf, she added.

Senior journalist Imtiaz Gul also thought that army would not step into the controversy just to rescue Musharraf.

He said the violent act of black coats was itself damaging their repute in the public as it appeared that instead of the courts they were intending to punish Musharraf for his wrongdoings.

Syed Qalbe Hassan, the vice-chairman of Pakistan Bar Council (PBC), the apex body of the lawyers, said the Supreme Court was examining the ‘high treason’ charges against Musharraf and senior lawyers were presenting their arguments for and against the former military ruler before the apex court.

He said ‘a few lawyers’ under their ‘hidden agenda’ were bringing a bad name to the entire legal fraternity by humiliating the former general.

They are pressuring Musharraf because they wanted him to leave the country without facing the trial, he added.

He suggested that Musharraf should be tried for 1999 coup and those generals and judges who facilitated and validated his unconstitutional steps in 1999 and in 2007 would be dealt with in accordance with the law.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 23 Apr 2013 13:53

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According to him, certain elements laid a trap for Musharraf while he was abroad by giving him an impression through the social media that the whole country was waiting for him and he would be warmly welcomed upon arrival in Pakistan.

After his arrival, planned and coordinated efforts are being made to humiliate him and to provoke the military by dragging the institution into unnecessary litigation along with Gen Musharraf, he added.
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So bRAWman's conjecture about Indian media's role in entrapping mush may just be true ..

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 23 Apr 2013 20:36

Car full of explosives found near Golas home/palace/jail. Source - Rediff Live

Who did it ? ? The Dark Greens or Gola winked-nudged to his "boys".

Edit -

Dawn News: An abandoned car filled with arms and explosives was found near the Chak Shehzad residence of former military ruler Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday. The Suzuki Mehran car was taken into custody by security personnel as probe into the incident went underway.

Police said 40 kilograms of explosives, along with two detonators and hand grenades, were found from the abandoned car. Former president Musharraf is facing life threats from the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan who had set up a special death squad to target former Pakistani president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf upon his arrival.

The All Pakistan Muslim League chief is under detention on judicial remand at his Chak-Shehzad residence, which was declared as a sub-jail after a court had earlier cancelled protective bail granted to him on April 18 over the judges detention case.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Apr 2013 21:18

From Tribune (posting in full) a developing story
Three blasts reported in Quetta, several injured

The nature of the blasts still remains unknown.

QUETTA: Several people were injured in three back-to-back blasts in Quetta on Tuesday, reported Express News.

The first blast was reported in Jinnah Town, the second one in the Gawalmandi area and the third blast in Mali Bagh.

According to Geo News, at least five people were injured in the Gawalmandi blast.

The nature of the blasts still remains unknown.

Note: This is a developing story and will be updated accordingly.