Vested Interests in India for Giving In to Pak Blackmail

[Cosmo_R]

There is a book that can throw a lot of light on this - if you can get it:
The Arab Mind - by Raphael Patai

A very thin volume as I recall

[shiv]

There is a book that can throw a lot of light on this - if you can get it:
The Arab Mind - by Raphael Patai

A very thin volume as I recall

Thick subject

[RajeshA]

shiv saar,

just found some Arabic text on the book on the Internet. Don't even know if it is a translation or some "review".

[shiv]

shiv saar,

just found some Arabic text on the book on the Internet. Don't even know if it is a translation or some "review".

Well its on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Arab-Mind-Raphael ... 0967201551

[RajeshA]

shiv saar,

just found some Arabic text on the book on the Internet. Don't even know if it is a translation or some "review".

Well its on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Arab-Mind-Raphael ... 0967201551

shiv saar,

thanks. It would have to go on my long reading list!

[ramana]

shiv saar,

thanks for the insightful post.

So the strength seems to be

- nurturing of the male child into an egotistical personality convinced of his privilege, entitlement and superiority. These personality characterics are first developed in relation to the other gender, and then cultivated further into a general attitude towards the non-believers.

Read the evolution of Sanjay Dutt and see how that fits the pattern. A true **** of Mother India.

[Prem]

shiv saar,

thanks for the insightful post.
So the strength seems to be
- nurturing of the male child into an egotistical personality convinced of his privilege, entitlement and superiority. These personality characterics are first developed in relation to the other gender, and then cultivated further into a general attitude towards the non-believers.
Read the evolution of Sanjay Dutt and see how that fits the pattern. A true **** of Mother India.

In The Name of Most Efficient Tools For Fools Dronemanufacturingfactory
The above phenomenon arises out of Hadiths and get daily reinforcement of sense of entitlement by the parents.The dogma and social milieu prescribe all the duties toward religion, Ummah etc and all the Rights over Kuufar. Its Truely a Black Hole of wanton desires and thoughtlessness. Once one fall, nothing intelligent escapes from destruction.

[ShauryaT]

The person who's works has most influenced me on understanding the Arab mind is Bernard Lewis. His works on the matter both historical and contemporary including their social and psychological profiles are well chronicled and widely recognized. Have had the good fortune to listen to him. For an Indian perspective, Ram Swarup's "Understanding Islam through the Hadith" is also good. Both Sita Ram Goel and Arun Shourie dovetail his works.

[shiv]

Strictly phrased, the question more rigorously is "is it possible for a human to be both Muslim and secular?"

In fact the reason that we have to ask such a question, phrased properly is in fact an indicator or how hollow the concept of secularism itself becomes when it comes to Islam - and indeed any coercive religion.

A long time ago I had started a rant thread complaining about the UN, speaking of how the UN calls for religious freedom as well as human rights when the two are incompatible. But I digress. Religion has "excused itself" from secularism and religion has also retained for itself the right to over rule everything else in certain situations.

Let me rephrase that. Humans who invented the concept of secularism excluded religion from the demands of secularism and said that people are welcome to be religious but secularism will reserve a small space/compartment for itself (state governance) where religion must not intrude. Secularism, it was agreed, would not to intrude or interfere at all in the broad areas where religion would be left unattended.

No religious person can be secular technically. Secular laws have to be forced on him without being wishy washy about religious sensitivity. The problem about "secular laws" is a definition of "what is secular?". A couple of decades ago Britain had "Sunday trading laws" whereby business establishments had to remain closed on Sundays because God rested on that day. In those days Britain's God used to rest on Sundays. Not Fridays. I have seen secular Indians complain of workers taking days off for Dussera and Diwali, and then speak glowingly of the Christmas spirit at their office just before the break. In my review of Omar Khalidi's book I wrote of how Omar Khalidi found pictures of Hindu gods in police stations offensive but made no mention of anyone finding it offensive to see other religious symbols like a butt sticking out of a mat at prayer time.

[RamaY]

^

I think it is ok and even secular to have a picture of building or a cross in any govt/office, but it may not be secular to have Hindu Gods. Abrahamic gods do not have a face, so it blasphemous to human looking gods for any religion.

Do people complain when they see just "ॐ", which is a letter in devanagari script?

I think the real problem is for God to be human looking, which means any/every human can be God. This automatically nullifies all Abrahamic faiths.

[Prem]

^
i think the real problem is for God to be human looking, which means any/every human can be God. This automatically nullifies all Abrahamic faiths.

You mean Naalified the Adharmic Boss.

[member_20317]

Re. shiv Post subject: Re: Vested Interests in India for Giving In to Pak BlackmailPosted: 25 Apr 2013 08:17

Shiv ji, the problem is the mahima mandan of the concepts. Secular is as fit a concept as its makers intended it to be when they set out to employ it.

Politicians wanted to free themselves up from Church, so it is valid in places where church is present. Statisticians wanted to figure out a way of saying this is the trend so it carries some relevance where statisticians want to work.

We will also have Church in India for good and the characterstics of the Church are manifested in the Masjid too, so yes Secularism is relevant. Christians and Muslims should feel free to excercise their faith the way they understand it and not the way State thinks they should. In much the same spirit the State should not be bound to work under the Pope/Mullah. So the existence of State would require protecting it from religious authorities.

We also will live with trends so yes secular is relevant for understanding the aarthic needs.

But mahima mandan can be valid for only the 'whole' not for its subsets. Much like mahima mandan of Narender Modi is bad so is it injurious to health if the same excercise is carried out on Secular. Esp. in other walks of life for Hindus who live entirely unlike the Abrahmism inspired countries. In much the same manner Hindus developed their own system of understanding and that should find its space too.

[RajeshA]

Reprogramming Cerebro Islamus

Continuing from the "Understanding Islamic Society" Thread

QUOTE : "Once you instil certain beliefs very deeply into a child as the child's first memories and earliest knowledge, it is difficult to erase without causing great discomfort from cognitive dissonance."

This works like this. Imagine a local train entering a station. Passengers struggle to get inside the train. But once they get inside, they block the entry of new passengers into the train at same/all subsequent stations until they reach their destination!

Here new passengers are similar to new notions,ideas that you are exposed to as you increasingly interact with other cultures over a time period.

Now the question is how to smoke out those ideas which are already there in the train, and do not allow others to enter!

I think, either

1. One gives all those passenger ideas inside the train a severe bout of flatulence. Basically it means ensuring a deterioration in the circumstances of the train. The standard of living of the person should fall rapidly, and all the blame should be put squarely on the ideas within the train, and this blame should be carried through good propaganda. To some extent one can use the example of Pakistan, but the propaganda is not getting through.
2. One electrocutes all those passenger ideas inside the train. This means electrocuting the train, and causing it pain, until the train decides to throw out the current passenger ideas. This means reeducation camps with an effective penalty system. It means social marginalization.
3. One halts the train, and pull out the passenger ideas. This means setting up a national counter-narrative with counter-ideas and compelling people to go through mandatory therapeutic sessions, which psychoanalyze the current ideas and shows to the patients, how wrong they are. For this the patient would have to give full attention and not be able to use some hand-waving. The patient would have to interact actively. One would have to institutionalize some form of reward when the patient is deemed healed. In many ways this is based on philosophy and psychology therapy.
4. One halts the train, and starts dropping in new passenger ideas into the train from its sunroof. This means pushing in new passengers into the train through a different opening and that too before the train becomes full. That means starting education early, and giving a certain type of education, one rich with Bharatiya Sanskriti Studies. The studies should start in kindergarten itself and should be especially oriented towards countering the brainwashing that takes place in the family.
5. One shows to the train, that is faring substandard passenger ideas This involves showing off by the other trains, that they look more sleek, they are faster, they provide more comforts, and that they are just as determined at reaching the destination. This means adopting a policy of overt racial superiority and rubbing it under their noses that they are inferior, and that too because of the passenger ideas they carry.
6. One tells the train that it cannot travel on the current rails. Basically it is saying that the train cannot share the railway network with you. Something like happened at Partition time, where the trains were told to drive on a different railway network.

[member_23692]

Ok, so back to the title of this thread, "Vested Interests in India for Giving In to Pak Blackmail".

The vested interests are the same for giving in to the Chinese blackmail or any other form of blackmail even internal blackmail from people like assorted separatist groups, maoist groups, and large minority groups. And the political and babu class is very clever to not to give in to blackmail by every group. They only give in to blackmail by entities, internal or external, that can actually cause enough trouble for the members of the ruling establishment, enough to disrupt or jeopardize their money making operations or enough to expose the results of their corruption and bleeding the country to death. Therefore, the Hindutva groups cannot seriously disrupt this money making, partially because they are not as militant and partially because they have compromised themselves too, so if they were to blackmail the ruling establishment, government will not yield (that is why you see no blackmail in India by the hindus, as a religious majority). The West is on the defensive about their colonial past and therefore cannot seriously follow through on any consequences of not giving in to their black mail, even if they were to indulge in any. So when the Indian government wants to prove to its people that it does stand up to foreign forces to protect the country's interest, they pick a quarrel with the west (this is in no way condoning or excusing any actual and real Western trouble making for India, but their trouble making tends to hurt the country's interests without hurting the personal interests of the political class). The ruling class knows that certain minority and separatist groups within India and certain countries in the neighborhood, such as ALL (Burma, Sri Lanka, Bangla Desh, Pak, China, Nepal and even the Maldives) can disrupt their money making enterprise, so they yield to blackmail from all of these.

There is no mystery to it. Politicians dont want to be distracted from amassing fortunes and dont want the results of their corruption exposed, that is why they yield to blackmail by anybody who is capable of doing it. Going to war, even a limited one, even against a Maldives will cause that disruption and exposure.

Yes, there are other vested interests in India too, such as some foreign funded NGOs, certain Missionary Groups, certain corrupt or traiterous media, certain commercial interests and others, but none are of any significance either by themselves or even if they align as one, and are not capable of doing much damage, if the Indian Government minimally functions as a normal government. But when the government itself is composed of individuals who form the most potent vested interest to yield to blackmail, all these other insignificant interests become significant in that they provide further motivations to the government to yield to such blackmail.

Single minded focus by the ruling class to simply further their immediate short term interests to the exclusion and detriment of all else is why India is a soft state and yields to blackmail even by miserable entities such as Kashmiri Separatists, Naga Rebels, BanglaDesh and Maldives, not to mention all the others.

So, why doesnt India take a stronger stance against China in response to the latest provocation, which any normal government will take ? Well, China will then kick our butts, as we are not militarily prepared and we are not militarily prepared because our military and military systems are highly compromised by the corruption in our ruling establishment, the very corruption they want to continue unabated. Exactly the same reason it gives in to Pakistan.

To all those who think corruption is a relatively benign vice ("everybody is corrupt", "even Britain had high levels of corruptions in the - was it 1800s ?) and all those who act as apologists for corruption, if they cannot see the daily chipping away of our moral and national fiber as its consequence, if they cannot see the rapid hollowing out of our core as its consequence, here(the shameless capitulation to China and daily surrender to Paki interests), are two glaring examples of its lethal effects.

[RajeshA]

Ashrafs in India

At Home In India: A restatement of Indian Muslims
Author: Salman Khushid
Publication Date: 1986

http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2013/02/h ... -sins.html


Photo by Neela

At Home in India! What does it mean?

Does it mean, Ashrafs' conquest of India is so complete, that now Ashrafs can claim to own India and thus feel at home? What the title shows is that the author is saying: India is not really my home, but I like it here so today I feel at home here!

The message "India is not really my home" comes out loud and clear from the title itself!

[RamaY]

^ looking for that book. If anyone has membership, they can try here

http://search.library.wisc.edu/catalog/ocm15176606
http://www.chipublib.org/search/details/cn/913196

[Prem]

Ashrafs in India[
At Home in India! What does it mean?
Does it mean, Ashrafs' conquest of India is so complete, that now Ashrafs can claim to own India and thus feel at home? What the title shows is that the author is saying: India is not really my home, but I like it here so today I feel at home here!The message "India is not really my home" comes out loud and clear from the title itself!

India is not their home and he is just being honest. The Curse of Nehru on India lives on.

Aye abroodd GANGA woh din hai yaad tujko
Utra Terey kinare, Jub carvan hamara

Aye abrood Zamzam, Yaad ayega Crime tujko
Vapourize hoga saara , Ummah yeh Tummara
Kusch baat hai ki memory genrations long Hamari
Humm nahi tho ,next Pushtae,Badla lengge Hamara
Ik Ik ke Badle Duss ko, Yeh Ritti hai woh Purani
NIkle thay Yahana Tumm hi Subb
Ghoosa key Osse Jameen par
Shaant hogga dill Hamara.

[AbhiJ]

Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz

Anwar founded the organization after observing Caste oppression by upper-caste "Ashraf" Muslims on Muslim untouchables, causing him to become a leftist and associate with the Communist Party of India (Marxist). He assembled a loose coalition of social reform organizations bringing awareness towards the plight of the Dalit Muslims and their complete neglect and persecution by the upper-caste "Ashraf" (supposedly "Arab-descended") Muslims in India.The Mahaz is a broad front of a number of Dalit and Backward Caste Muslim organisations from different states of India, particularly Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Jharkhand, West Bengal and Delhi.

http://pasmandamahaz.blogspot.in/2011/0 ... mahaz.html

since we are all aware of the nakli niyat(malicious intention) of congress party regarding tabling of the ranganath mishra commission report in parliament, so we cannot expect them to execute the report. even for tabling the report in parliament , all india pasmanda muslim mahaz had done a wide staged protest and agitaion throughout india against the congress party intention under the leadership of Ali Anwar, all india president aipmm and mp(rajya sabha, jdu). all india pasmanda muslim mahaz is organising massive rallies basically concentrating on 18 states with strong opposition to the malicious intentions of congress party . we demand scheduled caste status to dalit(pasmanda) muslims nd dalit christians who are having similar jobs as hindus have like scavenger, dhobi, chudihaar. if their hindu counterparts can have the scheduled caste status then why not chritians and muslims can have.

Is there any western angle to it?

[RajeshA]

Published on May 4, 2013
By Manoj Kureel
Keeping the peace: NitiCentral

[abhishek_sharma]

from The Hindu

[deepan gill]

I am opening this thread because I need to understand how Congress big wigs are getting away with murder?

I am now totally convinced that there is a mole in Congress who is being handled by ISI. The senior members of Congress are being blackmailed by ISI. I cannot imagine, in today's day and age, with a young population that has information at fingertips, and Congress leaders are making statements that only an enemy to country can make.

With massive corruption and Hawala operators having been arrested who have been channeling money for Congress politicians. Now it is unfair for me to single out Congress, but sadly, the entire Congress party is afraid to call Indian Mujhadeen a terrorist organization. This in itself has now convinced me. Now this IPL and BCCI, why is Rajiv Shukla part of BCCI? Is IPL money being used to fund terror in India? Are we Indians funding terror that is being committed on us?

I would like to start off from Wikileaks where Raul Gandhi tells the US President that Hindu terror is far more dangerous than Islamic Terror. This is followed by Digvijay Singh at a book release says 26/11 was done by Hindu groups, he mentions the red band on Kasab, same thing Pakistani media was pointing to, then you had Pagrati case, where after 5 years no charge sheet, then all the encounters that are being labeled as fake, CBI and IB fighting among themselves.

ISI has finally made headway into the largest political party and is now learning the intelligence set up of India and destroying this institution from within. I am convinced of it. We seriously need to go back to 2001, the release of Azhar Mahmood during IA hijacking and analyze the time line again to see how was ISI able to make such a huge advance. It is shocking that Congress leaders are making such anti-national statements without any fear!!! Either they are suicidal or are being blackmailed by ISI.