Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Jun 2013 18:47

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Pratyush wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Please read Science Fiction novel Dune – Considered by many as the greatest. Unlike Foundation Series of Asimov it was written at one go and as a whole novel. It is about Politics among others there are many lines – One Baron Horkonan says is reproduced here (not literally)
Let them think that these false attacks are the real and maximum we can do. Let them escape them and let them be confident and comfortable in their false security. Then when they are all feeling secure, someone very close to their heart will betray them fatally and the very fact that such a close person betrayed them itself will be sufficient to devastate them mortally.
This seems to be what Mafia tried to do to BJP and is clearly failing.
What I did not understand in the Novel and I don't understand here is why, were the house harkonan. Willing to use such a chancy strategy. When they were backed by the Padshah and the legions of Sardukar troops.
This is what caused them to fail in the end. With the house Harkonon destroyed by the house Adradies along with the imperium. Would it not have been advisable to go for the kill in the first instance it self? As the doctor did have enough loyalty to protect Paul and his mother.

THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS PAUL. SO PADISHA AND THE BORON FELL. JUST LIKE THAT MAFIA AND OTHER BACKERS OF MAFIA ARE ALL UNDER ESTIMATING MODI ( I HOPE THEY ARE)
In Dune there are always wheels within wheels sir. Doctor knows that he will not see his wife alive but want to make sure she died peaceful death (We know how bad the Baron was) and wish to kill baron. His only chance was to convert duke Letto into a weapon and allow him to kill Baron and Doctor almost succeeds. Doctor also allows Paul and his mother to escape.
The power structure in Dune stands on 3 legs and as such most unstable. Padishah, Lanslard and the spacing Guild. With the witch ladies with their breading programmers, Taleku with their gene and other manipulations, IX with their machines. One of the most devious ideas Baron planted is in Leto and his fellows that Jessica is the Harkonan agent. (She is his girls) The very idea would have devastated Letto beyond anything else. It later almost led to her death.
We have in India -
1. Huge national wealth to loot and Many crony capitalist gangs loot it - Just now Naveen Jindal is Charge Sheeted and we hear Gurudas Guptha talking how Moily is manipulating Gas price to give some 30000 Cr profit is RIL.
2. We have so many Islamic, EJ gangs to take over of the nation.
3. US, China, EU and other powers trying to make and keep Indics perpetually weak and poor - If possible destroy them.
4. World business teaming up with Indian cronies to loot India.
5. Maino gang with EJ and looters both Indian and World to loot India as long as possible.
6. People like SP, BSP, Jagan, TRS who are ready to eat out of Mafia hand and be happy.
7. Huge media, Intellectual, Jholawala, University power under almost full control of left, Islamic and EJ gangs and on the pay of Mafia gang.
8. A section of BJP like Windbag and SS who are happy to play along with Nehru to present Mafia.
Do you want more complications and expect Modi's job is easy??? The War has not even began. Not all enemies are even visible as of now. Entire Delhi is a vipors nest with full of secretive relationships.
Let us not be surprised if Modi is killed in near future. Easy, surgical and can be blamed on Pakis. Few riots perhaps and then back to secular rule. They killed huge number leader and critical points of India history. Do you really believe in heart attacks, people falling from Aircrafts???
Entire India is the spice and RSS is breading Indic people from 1925 and it creating Modi ( Just like Paul???) who is as driven and as underestimated. INC like Baron and Padisha will meet their end for the sake of our nation.
But I am happy to know you have ready Dune. I have all the 6 originals in soft copy and other books of Frank Herbert. In case you wish to read them mail me at rlnarayanarao@gmail.com.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 18:48

Published on Jun 11, 2013
BJP shows LK Advani his place, in shadow: Deccan Chronicle

Senior party leaders including leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj, Opposition leader in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley, Nitin Gadkari, Anant Kumar, Uma Bharati, Jaswant Singh, Venkaiah Naidu and party spokesperson Prakesh Javedkar.

Earlier, Rajnath Singh on made it clear that there will be no going back on the decision to appoint Narendra Modi as campaign committee chief.

His assertion came even as a host of leaders like M M Joshi, Jaswant Singh, Sushma Swaraj, Venkaiah Naidu, Gopinath Munde, Ravi Shankar Prasad, Kalraj Mishra and Gopinath Munde flocked to Advani’s residence to persuade him to reconsider his decision, saying his “guidance” was required by the party.

Just some of the leaders whose lives were at stake!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2013 18:51

Some clarity on rootless wonder venkaiah naidu's fulminations ... "campaign committee chair doesn't have say in choosing candidates etc." would be terribly welcome at this stage...

IMO, both of BJP's "tall" national leaders from the south - Naidu and Anant Kr - are useless specimens. ONLY.

Modi wants to be popularised as 'successor of Vajpayee' in UP

It is with this mission that Shah is on a two-day tour of the state to meet all the senior party leaders including Lucknow MP Lalji Tandon and Kalraj Mishra. He will also meet former CM Kalyan Singh

munna · Post by **munna** » 11 Jun 2013 18:59

Hari Seldon wrote:Some clarity on rootless wonder venkaiah naidu's fulminations ... "campaign committee chair doesn't have say in choosing candidates etc." would be terribly welcome at this stage...

IMO, both of BJP's "tall" national leaders from the south - Naidu and Anant Kr - are useless specimens. ONLY.

Hariji let me explain the internal dynamics. LS candidate selection in the BJP involves the following chain of command

1) Prabhari of the state' recommendations
2) Sitting Chief Minister's recommendations
3) Final decision by the Parliamentary Board

Even accepting "BJP ka 200 and NDA ka 300" V Naidu's fulminations, Modi straight up controls the candidates in 5 states

viz:

1) UP: Modi man Amit Shah is the prabhari
2) Guajrat: CM and has his own guy as prabhari
3) Rajasthan: V Raje and the prabhari lean towards him
4) MP: SS Chauhan leans towards him
5) Chattisgarh: JP Nadda is the prabhari

And for the rest he is a member of the PLB and also campaign committee chief so his opinion is very powerful. Modi has the candidate selection in all the major BJP states by the balls. Fulminations of 'tall' leaders notwithstanding.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2013 19:04

Thanks to this 2 day Advani drama, the PAIDMEDIA quietly buried the most dangerous news for MAINO clan.

Naveen Jindal charged in CoalGate: All you need to know

Shares in Jindal Steel and Power plunged to a four-year low in trade this morning after the Central Bureau of Investigation filed an FIR against Congress MP and company chairman Naveen Jindal in the coal scam case

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Jun 2013 19:04

RajeshA ji,
I would not look at this as some black and white. Politicians are in Politics to gain power for themselves and have ideology, (like for BJP it is India pride, for Mainos it is to continue British practice of transferring wealth outside India, using India as a hedge against potentially troubling world developments, and preparing environment conducive so that the souls can be harvested, for CPI ...). Now I consider myself quite talented/successful by many measures, be it Desh or Massa. But I can say, compared to any average politician, I am not even .000001% of them (competitiveness, networking, communication, confidence, goal orientation and achievement). That is true for almost everyone on this forum, probably we cannot get ourselves elected for a dog catcher, or influence 100 people to march with us or go and defeat in a cut throat world (not corporate world, that's kids play) and succeed. So these politicians are trying hard to get something for themselves (that is why they are in politics and we are not). Jockeying for PM or power is fine, and should not be looked down upon. The problem is when these leaders put themselves above the ideology that their party represent. Right now it is important for BJP to win the election, the best person suited for that is NM and other leaders should evaluate and either lead (if they can deliver more), follow or quit. What is happening is par of course. I do not hate any of these leaders for their personal ambition (that comes with the territory), I hate when I see some of them are going against ideology or against the party, e.g. SS/AK for money or hubris played very bad in Karnataka and led to ouster of BSY and finally defeat of BJP. That is unpardonable. Kalraj Mishra similarly played against KS, and BJP is no where in UP. Now you should be against these leaders for these reasons.
rgds,
fanne

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Jun 2013 19:08

Not so easy. Most of the Advani supporters are now placed in critical and top positions. When time comes they may back stab BJP and Namo. From now onwards LKA and his gang can never be trusted.

WHY LKA WANT TO CUT RSS FROM BJP - WHAT IS IN IT TO HIM (AND MAFIA???)

munna · Post by **munna** » 11 Jun 2013 19:17

Narayana Rao wrote:Not so easy. Most of the Advani supporters are now placed in critical and top positions. When time comes they may back stab BJP and Namo. From now onwards LKA and his gang can never be trusted.

WHY LKA WANT TO CUT RSS FROM BJP - WHAT IS IN IT TO HIM (AND MAFIA???)

Please enunciate those critical positions and also how steadfast these leaders will be in face of post/pecuniary or other incentives? As it stands Modi commands the ticket distribution in

UP 80 seats
Chattisgarh 11 seats
MP 29 seats
Rajasthan 25 seats
Gujarat 26 seats

total 171 seats

These 171 seats are all high probability seats, with such an overwhelming dominance and all the business interests on his side no Advani acolytes can touch him. Period. The only thing he should worry about is to maximize his numbers and focus on even 1-5 seat states, where he can gather some spare change.

The toughest challenge against Advani camp is over, now the question is whether Modi folks can deliver 200+ or not?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 19:18

Published on Jun 11, 2013
By Mammen Matthew
Divorce is certain: Why JD(U)-BJP alliance will end in Bihar: Hindustan Times

The split in the NDA in Bihar is now an inevitability, despite JD-U strongman Nitish Kumar indicating he would not be rushed into a decision “too soon”.

Having said the developments “within the BJP and without” would be analysed and a decision taken in due time, Kumar has indicated the party might not wait till December--- its deadline to the BJP to name its PM candidate--- and the call could come sooner.

JD-U insiders believe the JD-U should pull the plug first and on its own terms, as the BJP is for all purposes now led by Narendra Modi with party patriarch LK Advani almost sidelined. Should Narendra Modi, the BJP campaign committee chairman, break the alliance as he would be wont to do now, the JD-U would find itself in a much tighter spot.

The party is also concerned that a decision delayed on the premise that Modi is yet to be declared the PM candidate would not go down well with the Muslim constituents who have strong choices in the Congress and, most importantly, the RJD in Bihar. Should they polarise in favour of any of JD-U's rivals, the 2014 fight for seat numbers would then spill out of hand.

JD-U leaders like Member of Parliament Ali Anwar believe “the call has to be taken and cannot be deferred”.

Anwar said, "The way in which the BJP has reacted to LK Advani's resignation and indicated that there would be no turning back on Modi clearly suggests the Gujarat chief minister would be pitched as the PM candidate. The writing is on the wall. The JD-U should pull out now.”

In any case, many accept Anwar's line that the JD-U cannot accept Narendra Modi's suzerainty ever and work with it in any confidence, or that the party would not be undermined or poached upon.

The poaching could become a reality and even JD-U can do it, but only by first ensuring that post Advani it can maintain a national presence by forging newer links if necessary.

JD-U spokesman Shivanand Tiwary accepts this inevitability as do the closest aides of Nitish Kumar. Party president Sharad Yadav and MP Devesh Chandra Thakur have already said the JD-U's understanding with the NDA rested on LK Advani and that his resignation was a setback to the NDA.

While the entire party rank and file have geared up for separation from the BJP, there is no immediate fear that a BJP pull out could tax the government, as there are others who could shore up the JD-U numbers to add to its tally of 118 members in the assembly and reach the tally of 123 in a house of 243.

Hardcore pro-Modi MLAs in BJP like Ashwini Choubey and Giriraj Singh do not rule out the BJP pulling out sooner.

On the face of it, the only entities JD-U cannot approach after the Goa development and defeat in Maharajganj polls are the BJP and the RJD with 91 and 22 seats respectively. LJP has 1 MLA, Congress 4, while six are independents, most of them RJD outcasts. But then, a small section in BJP believes that the JD-U could also poach on some of its legislators who have essentially won with JD-U support.

However, an influential section within the JD-U feel the “game could turn interesting” should Advani and BJP split irretrievably, with the former floating a new party at some point.

Many of them say such a development could result in the formation of an Advani-led third front leading a fight against Modi with Nitish at the forefront. They cite Trinamool Congress (TMC) chief Mamata Banerjee's call for a federal union of non-Congress, non-BJP parties, which some opinion polls have said will fare much better in elections than the national parties.

"Nitish, Mamata, Mulayam, Mayawati, Naveen Pattanaik, Chandrababu Naidu or TRS and the Left can come together but leadership issues will remain. Advani therefore can be the cementing force for such a formation and that could be a game changer,” said a JD-U leader.

JD-U members would like to believe that should Nitish Kumar take a higher moral ground by breaking the NDA alliance now and strengthen his strong stand against the saffron charge even if it means a loss to himself, the Muslim constituency would react favourably to such a union nationally and set him up for higher things, which could even mean the prime ministership in 2014.

It seems the Congress-paid Mainstream Media, the JD(U) Muslim leaders, and others are egging on Nitish Kumar to take the plunge and go his own way.

Basically the rift he has built between him and Narendra Modi over the years cannot be healed anyway, so the divorce is inevitable. Nitish Kumar has of course been given really bad advice, and it can be possible that this whispering in the year has been done by people like Ali Anwar painting a mirage of some Muslim votebank waiting out there waiting just for Nitish Kumar.

Maharajganj it seems has not taught Nitish the right lessons, and for BJP it is good so.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2013 19:19

Thx munna bhai.

Seems like NM will not hv enough leeway to deny tickets to the rootless wonders though...

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 19:21

There it starts: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 79579.html

Undeterred by the resignation of L.K. Advani from all forum of the BJP, Gujarat Chief Minister and BJP Election Campaign Committee chairman Narendra Modi has started his job in Uttar Pradesh, where he has to go through a litmus test in 2014 Lok Sabha polls.

He has assigned Amit Shah, his close confident and party in-charge of UP to start his foray in the state from June 12 and take stock of the situation including the mood of the local BJP leaders before his possible visit next month.

If insiders were believed, Modi wants the party leadership in the state to introduce him as the "successor of Atal Bihari Vajpayee" when he visits Lucknow.

It is with this mission that Shah is on a two-day tour of the state to meet all the senior party leaders including Lucknow MP Lalji Tandon and Kalraj Mishra. He will also meet former CM Kalyan Singh. The entire exercise is meant for understanding what would be the impact in the Lok Sabha elections if Modi contests from Lucknow seat, which was represented by former Prime Minister Vajpayee four times before Tandon contested and won in 2009.

"Since there is a hitch in the party over officially declaring Modi as PM candidate because of the opposition of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA), he and his team are looking for a way out. In the given situation, he can be fielded from Lucknow and declared a successor of Vajpayee. In this case, there will not be any dispute in the NDA and the party will also be able to send a message across", a senior BJP leader told this newspaper.

It is true that the actual challenge for Modi is in UP which has 80 Lok Sabha seats. But he is in advantageous situation because of his image not only as a face of Hindutva but also of pro-development. His backward caste background may also help the BJP in winning non-Yadav votes in the state. It is believed that the Yadavs stick with the Samajwadi Party (SP) in any situation.

When asked, Kalyan Singh said while there was Modi wave all over the country, its intensity was highest in UP.

"I have talked to Modi on phone. He has told me to work in close coordination with him. He has also asked Shah to hold a meeting with me and decide many issues, which I don't want to disclose at the moment. I must say that the Modi wave in UP reminds me of Ram temple movement days when entire state was rallying behind us", he said.

"We welcome Modi to contest from Lucknow. He symbolises youthfulness, unity and development. We all would be happy if it happens", said Tandon.

munna · Post by **munna** » 11 Jun 2013 19:27

Hari Seldon wrote:Thx munna bhai.

Seems like NM will not hv enough leeway to deny tickets to the rootless wonders though...

In cadre based parties one cannot have it all, extreme concentration of power as it was in the hands of Advani is not a good thing.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 19:27

fanne ji,

trying not to look in black and white. I don't expect nor want Indian politicians to be renunciates.

I am not against any BJP politicians and I respect their right to look after their own interests and survival within the national interests parameters. I highlighted those names simply to show which leaders derive their standing in the party to their closeness to LK Advani and not necessarily from their popularity among the cadre or among their constituents or the nation at large.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Jun 2013 19:33

Sanku wrote:Advani saga fizzles out, Advani follows RSS command. Does not come out and speak to media, RNS speaks on his behalf, and says that Advani ji has agreed to follow what the party says.

Hooo haaaaaa....

I again remind you

that they will show "all is well" while the internal fight goes on.

There is no chanikyan ness here as some are alluding to. Advani now is a liability and no more an asset. So far his resignation saga only added a distraction to the momentum being built.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 19:38

What a tempest in a kullad!!!
LKA has been delivering non-stop hits twice in a week. First the dramatic resignation, leaking to media and then this accepting the high command's decisions/requests and withdraws the istifa.
Starts with a bang and ends in a whimper.
As Cho said all is well that ends well.

Now what happens to all the kalias in BJP and outside? Sharugan Sinha, Yaswant Sinha, Jaswant Singh, all UP elephants, and Nitish Kumar, Patnaik, the Thackarey duo?

Media has no memory and hence no reputation.

Eg.

Pratyush wrote:Why Advani’s resignation is the ‘black swan’ that can hurt the BJP

The FUD is in full flow. It may hurt the BJP or it may not hurt the BJP. But no one must be allowed to come in the way of the future.

Every thing must pass. ABV, LKA, NaMo. No need to worry about it.

LKA has already resigned twice before the lates and took it back. So how is that a black swan? Its not even a kala swallow which migrates periodically!
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Initially I had thought he was under complusions from external sources for acting like he did. Looks like I was wrong. He was doing it all to prevent others from leading the party.
Anyway he is now a spent force.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 19:39

Published on Jun 11, 2013
By Abhay Vaidya
Modi vs others: Why corruption will be non-issue in 2014 polls: First Post

Corruption as an electoral issue in the 2014 polls is a given, but now stands overshadowed by the personality of Narendra Modi. The Gujarat chief minister’s projection by the BJP as their de facto prime ministerial candidate has become an electoral issue in itself. Modi will inevitably raise the issue of corruption under the UPA during his election campaigning, but what will draw more attention is his presence and personality. What will continue to haunt Modi throughout the run-up to the elections is the failure of the Gujarat government in stemming the 2002 Gujarat riots and allegations of his personal complicity in failing to take prompt action.

All these sickular journalists are trying to spin some way which shows some light at the end of the Modi tunnel.

They haven't learned the lesson that the more the media focuses on the personality of Modi, the more free publicity they give him and the more people get interested in him.

The only thing that would happen is now the message of corruption would be magnified a thousand fold when it comes from Modi's mouth.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Jun 2013 19:45

Arjun wrote:There is only one solution - Advani needs to be sacked by the BJP using some bahana at the appropriate time, unless he publicly mends ways with Modi.

I am again saying. There is no need for intra-party chanikyanness to fight with enemies. The entire spin of chankyaness is a mirage.

I repeat "throw him out, throw him out, throw him out. Om shanti!!! shanti!!! shanti!!!"

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Jun 2013 19:49

There is no need to react to Advani. Whatever everyone including those having extreme views can relax, as all those wishes will be fulfilled by Advani ji himself. He has started a campaign to self-incapacitate.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 11 Jun 2013 19:50

Did any one notice that Didi, BJD, JDU et al have started their activity to establish a third front.

They think split in BJP will happen and since they do not trust BJP nor INC, they have started taking the steps to start a third front. Who all took the bait? Kya khoya kya paya?

Most importantly, NM reinstated - now no one should dare to speak against him. it also reinstated RNS.

As I said umpteen times, LKA's soosai has only begun. design OR deceit, I do not know. This will go on for quite a few days.

full marks to RNS... Bhagwat and Gurumurthy did their respective duties.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jun 2013 20:02

Absolute insanity.

This is the time the opposition should be consolidating and putting the government on the mat instead we have this. All eyes are on this spectacle. What does this say about ability to govern or the lack of it. Can anyone show if BJP has added a single vote through all these shenanigans. For better or worse LKA kept all these arsonists quiet.

India needs a credible opposition esp. at the national level. Esp. right now.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 11 Jun 2013 20:03

^^^

the prodigal enters!! was waiting for this comedy....now the real stuff begins.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 20:04

Two big challenges that await Modi are:

1) Break-up of JD(U) and forming a BJP-JD(Rest) government in Bihar, if possible with as many "Mahadalit and Extremely Backward Castes" MLAs from JD(U)

2) Bringing Yeddyuruppa back into the BJP fold in Karnataka.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2013 20:10

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jun 11, 2013
By Mammen Matthew
Divorce is certain: Why JD(U)-BJP alliance will end in Bihar: Hindustan Times

The split in the NDA in Bihar is now an inevitability, despite JD-U strongman Nitish Kumar indicating he would not be rushed into a decision “too soon”.

Having said the developments “within the BJP and without” would be analysed and a decision taken in due time, Kumar has indicated the party might not wait till December--- its deadline to the BJP to name its PM candidate--- and the call could come sooner.

JD-U insiders believe the JD-U should pull the plug first and on its own terms, as the BJP is for all purposes now led by Narendra Modi with party patriarch LK Advani almost sidelined. Should Narendra Modi, the BJP campaign committee chairman, break the alliance as he would be wont to do now, the JD-U would find itself in a much tighter spot.

The party is also concerned that a decision delayed on the premise that Modi is yet to be declared the PM candidate would not go down well with the Muslim constituents who have strong choices in the Congress and, most importantly, the RJD in Bihar. Should they polarise in favour of any of JD-U's rivals, the 2014 fight for seat numbers would then spill out of hand.

JD-U leaders like Member of Parliament Ali Anwar believe “the call has to be taken and cannot be deferred”.

Anwar said, "The way in which the BJP has reacted to LK Advani's resignation and indicated that there would be no turning back on Modi clearly suggests the Gujarat chief minister would be pitched as the PM candidate. The writing is on the wall. The JD-U should pull out now.”

In any case, many accept Anwar's line that the JD-U cannot accept Narendra Modi's suzerainty ever and work with it in any confidence, or that the party would not be undermined or poached upon.

The poaching could become a reality and even JD-U can do it, but only by first ensuring that post Advani it can maintain a national presence by forging newer links if necessary.

JD-U spokesman Shivanand Tiwary accepts this inevitability as do the closest aides of Nitish Kumar. Party president Sharad Yadav and MP Devesh Chandra Thakur have already said the JD-U's understanding with the NDA rested on LK Advani and that his resignation was a setback to the NDA.

While the entire party rank and file have geared up for separation from the BJP, there is no immediate fear that a BJP pull out could tax the government, as there are others who could shore up the JD-U numbers to add to its tally of 118 members in the assembly and reach the tally of 123 in a house of 243.

Hardcore pro-Modi MLAs in BJP like Ashwini Choubey and Giriraj Singh do not rule out the BJP pulling out sooner.

On the face of it, the only entities JD-U cannot approach after the Goa development and defeat in Maharajganj polls are the BJP and the RJD with 91 and 22 seats respectively. LJP has 1 MLA, Congress 4, while six are independents, most of them RJD outcasts. But then, a small section in BJP believes that the JD-U could also poach on some of its legislators who have essentially won with JD-U support.

However, an influential section within the JD-U feel the “game could turn interesting” should Advani and BJP split irretrievably, with the former floating a new party at some point.

Many of them say such a development could result in the formation of an Advani-led third front leading a fight against Modi with Nitish at the forefront. They cite Trinamool Congress (TMC) chief Mamata Banerjee's call for a federal union of non-Congress, non-BJP parties, which some opinion polls have said will fare much better in elections than the national parties.

"Nitish, Mamata, Mulayam, Mayawati, Naveen Pattanaik, Chandrababu Naidu or TRS and the Left can come together but leadership issues will remain. Advani therefore can be the cementing force for such a formation and that could be a game changer,” said a JD-U leader.

JD-U members would like to believe that should Nitish Kumar take a higher moral ground by breaking the NDA alliance now and strengthen his strong stand against the saffron charge even if it means a loss to himself, the Muslim constituency would react favourably to such a union nationally and set him up for higher things, which could even mean the prime ministership in 2014.
It seems the Congress-paid Mainstream Media, the JD(U) Muslim leaders, and others are egging on Nitish Kumar to take the plunge and go his own way.

Basically the rift he has built between him and Narendra Modi over the years cannot be healed anyway, so the divorce is inevitable. Nitish Kumar has of course been given really bad advice, and it can be possible that this whispering in the year has been done by people like Ali Anwar painting a mirage of some Muslim votebank waiting out there waiting just for Nitish Kumar.

Maharajganj it seems has not taught Nitish the right lessons, and for BJP it is good so.

However, an influential section within the JD-U feel the “game could turn interesting” should Advani and BJP split irretrievably, with the former floating a new party at some point.

Advani starting a new party

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

PAIDMEDIA, SCOUNDRELS of JD(U) - What are you smoking? Can I have some of that Please?

I will give 2 minority votes which are equivalent to 2000 Yindoo votes.

Do these dorks write this to get it off their chest or do they think some people read this trash and believe it?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2013 20:12

JD(U) has learnt in the last week

1) Advani has no power left in BJP

2) Modi is the new center of power in NDA

3) BJP would only give in with regard to timing of PM candidature announcements but not into who would be the PM candidate

Nitish has nowhere left to go but down!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2013 20:16

devesh wrote:^^^

the prodigal enters!! was waiting for this comedy....now the real stuff begins.

+1.

Faux concern for the BJP's or opposition's fortunes also par for the course. And all that having stated in so many words that the "reptilian brain" of S.TN vadis or of his theological brethren will never be able to accept bjp or NM in any way anyway. Still, the lofty pretence of actually caring about the BJP's fortunes continues. Have seen stranger things, I guess. Let the show go on...I guess.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 20:20

Mods,

Do you mind starting a separate thread just for Namo/BJP campaign steps/ideas/news on campaign.

Murali

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 11 Jun 2013 20:23

Theo_Fidel wrote:Absolute insanity.

This is the time the opposition should be consolidating and putting the government on the mat instead we have this. All eyes are on this spectacle. What does this say about ability to govern or the lack of it. Can anyone show if BJP has added a single vote through all these shenanigans. For better or worse LKA kept all these arsonists quiet.

India needs a credible opposition esp. at the national level. Esp. right now.

I was waiting for this. You didn't let me down. Since Rahul is missing from the political scene comical nonsense from Theoji will be a nice substitute. Even he can't hide his love for Advani.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2013 20:23

muraliravi wrote:Mods,

Do you mind starting a separate thread just for Namo/BJP campaign steps/ideas/news on campaign.

^Why separate dhaga saar? Let this one dhaga be the ideas, trends, news and views crucible only.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 11 Jun 2013 20:25

TN has 39+1 seats. With DMK squabbling and CONgress invisible, it's for the taking with proper ally management. With a state bringing as much as Bihar, hope BJP extends a hand to JJ.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 20:28

Hari Seldon wrote:
muraliravi wrote:Mods,

Do you mind starting a separate thread just for Namo/BJP campaign steps/ideas/news on campaign.
^Why separate dhaga saar? Let this one dhaga be the ideas, trends, news and views crucible only.

okie dokie.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 11 Jun 2013 20:30

the remembered leaders are always those who bring a breakthrough in political ideas.

if Modi is what everyone believes him to be, he needs to do 2 things:

1. engineer the unraveling of GV-based regional outfits and put the focus back on INC.
2. bring the BJP to the South. time is ripe.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 20:32

Narendra Modi's 8-step action plan to woo India

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 79397.html

It seems annointing Gujarat CM Narendra Modi the 2014 campaign committee chief was just a formality. The BJP hasn't looked this energetic since the 1999 NDA regime. A day after the high drama that played out throughout the saffron party's national executive meet in Goa, the Narendra Modi band wagon is all set to roll across India, starting at the end of this month.

Displaying efficiency and ambition - Narendra Modi style - a comprehensive election campaign plan has already been put in place and is expected to begin over the next few days. This 8-step action plan is how the BJP plans to turn the tide in their favour, with NaMo leading the charge:

1. On 17 June, there will be a meeting in Delhi where the names of the other members of BJP's election management committee will be discussed. 6 state units of BJP have suggested names and slogans for this phase of Modi's campaign.
2. The title for the yatra will be decided during the meeting on 17 June.
3. Starting at the end of June, Narendra Modi will commence a blitzkrieg of rallies all across India. A close aide of Narendra Modi told Headlines Today that Narendra Modi is scheduled to address 75 rallies between end June and September.
4. The first phase of campaigning will end on September 25 with a massive rally in Bhopal on the same day, which is also the birth anniversary of Deen Dayal Uphadhyay.
5. With his brisk management style, BJP believes that Modi's appointment as chief of the election management committee is enough for him to start his nation wide campaign.
6. A rath yatra at this time has been ruled out since Team Modi believes that Modi will be able to criss cross the country more effectively and reach out to more people by conducting rallies all across India.
7. The main thrust of Modi's campaign will be in Uttar Pradesh which is considered key to determining BJP's fortunes in the next Lok Sabha elections.
8. Mega rallies will also be held in Bihar, Maharashtra and Hyderabad in the Telangana region

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2013 20:37

Theo_Fidel wrote:Absolute insanity.

This is the time the opposition should be consolidating and putting the government on the mat instead we have this. All eyes are on this spectacle. What does this say about ability to govern or the lack of it. Can anyone show if BJP has added a single vote through all these shenanigans. For better or worse LKA kept all these arsonists quiet.

India needs a credible opposition esp. at the national level. Esp. right now.

When the PAIDMEDIA doing the job of covering up Govt. scams and Advani is trying to pull down any one who can be a threat to Mainos, Modi or any one who is nationalist will have their hands full.

All media eyes are on this spectacle because Bharat Nirman ads are talking with 2500 crores. If Govt. stops funding these crooks and closes illegal channels 50% of fake media will be closed.

Because of hatred of Modi or BJP or utter stupidity & lack of awareness, people don't realize how dangerous this Govt. has become: Destruction of institutions, use CBI to blackmail, use CBI to undermine IB, create conspiracies to charge people just to create vote banks. The destruction of foundation of democracy in the last 10 years is unimaginable. This country has turned to Edgar Hoover Laboratory. Some times, I feel several top level people need to be eliminated ruthlessly if we have to make this democracy work again.

A nation which enforces laws and provides opportunities to all without discrimination or putting one group against another is the one that will progress. Instead, we are talking of Special courts/colleges for minorities, more reservations, more divisions on caste/religion/sex, more scams, less transparency, less clarity on laws, less checks and balances.

What we have achieved in 80/90s was all taken away by one Maino clan and a bunchof dynasties in several states.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 11 Jun 2013 20:37

All this love for advani. Wow. Just wow.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Jun 2013 20:38

Atri:
I believe not all men are created equal. Some people have apara buddi and drishti. I consider myself to be not one of those. We all can use MB characters (or other puranic characters) to portray our view points or theories. But when it comes down to the chase, the pramana have to be convincing, no? You are attributing reasons/actions to LKA and other people that are not easy to validate. In the absence of validation (even by inference or comparison), we cannot take as pramana the shabda from you or anyone else. Why should we, right? Just because you were right the previous 10 times is no guarantee that you are right now, correct?

I hope you understand I mean no disrespect, but question you and the theories - all good discussion and increase of knowledge onlee.

If I come up with the following story: Sonia after becoming the daughter in law of IG, saw how wretched INC was, and wanted to no role. Alas, things happened, and she was hoisted up at the top. She found the coterie to be dangerous and had full control of the INC and nation. One way she thought was to create so much havoc and create a mindset in aam admi that he would never ever vote for INC. So she created all the corruption scams, and appointed ullus (owl) into the post with an intention to bring down INC from the inside.

Isn't my concoction laughable, because there are so many loop holes and things that we simply cannot humanly verify or does not meet common sense. The point of this stretch is not to equate Advani to Sonia. But to highlight that there is no way to validate the theories. For every counterpoint, the soosai theorists point out that it was LKA's plan and agenda to do precisely this or that.

Give us something to hold on to your ideas

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 11 Jun 2013 20:41

A concern about Modi's personal security that I and others raised earlier. Recent rallies and pictures show how easy it is for general people to get very close to him. With increased cross-country campaigning, threats to his personal safety increase manifold. Who in the government evaluates possible threats to Modi? Now that is a presumptive PM candidate, does he get an enhanced security cover? Can the BJP formally ask for an increased cover for Modi? At least equivalent to what the desh ki beti Bianca is getting?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 20:43

Paid Media has blacked out all news on JD(U) MLA Chhedi Paswan saying that 25 MLA's and 8 MP's of JD(U) are no more in support of JD(U) and are willing to support NaMo. It is only in hindi news papers and twitter. The best and strongest reply that NaMo and his team can give to this Nautanki NiKu is by breaking his party and getting those MLA's to support a BJP CM in Bihar. I believe under the defection law, 1/3 has to split. So they would need 35-40 MLA's. That is more than enough for BJP to form the government on its own. Let the game begin. To me in the midst of all the advani dhaga, Chhedi Paswan is the newsmaker of the day.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 20:45

http://inagist.com/all/3443488905789644 ... medium=rss

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 20:45

muraliravi wrote:Mods,

Do you mind starting a separate thread just for Namo/BJP campaign steps/ideas/news on campaign.

Murali

No. Lets not make this a partisan forum. But thanks for asking and not starting the thread. Saves us trouble of locking it.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Jun 2013 20:47

Sanku wrote:
SwamyG wrote:
Aree Bhai, seedha sawal poocha. You are using recursive logic here. What would convince you that LKA is really opposing Modi. .
I answered it.

One shred of evidence.

Spell it out ji....don't be abstract. Anything he does, you seem to agree and cite that as "See, I told you so......" type argument.