Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 31 Jul 2013 16:05

Modi rattles Sonia’s evil empire
| Ravi Shanker Kapoor |

There must be something good about Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi that he is being maligned by preposterous saints, glorified crooks, and fraudulent politicians. All of them see a danger in Modi—a danger to their noble lies and vested interests.

So, Amartya Sen, Nobel Prize-winning economist who teaches philosophy at Harvard, disapproves of Modi as prime minister. “I think I would like a more secular person to be prime minister. I would not like a prime minister who generates concern and fear on the part of minorities. That is the primary reason.” Of course, he did not explain what he meant by secularism. Criminal negligence of Islamic terror is secular; a tough stand against jihad is anti-secular: this is the Congress’ understanding of secularism. Sen couldn’t agree more with such interpretation of secularism.

It stands to reason that Sen dislikes Modi, for the Gujarat Chief Minister is the only serious challenger to the Congress; and the Nobel Laureate would like the grand old party to continue for it is trying to implement the kind of policies he has always favored. Unsurprisingly, Sen’s long-standing partner and co-author Jean Drèze was earlier a prominent member of the National Advisory Council, which is headed by Congress president Sonia Gandhi, and was instrumental in introducing the rural employment guarantee scheme.

Instead of reacting grumpily to Sen’s statement, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) should have laughed it off as the fatuousness of a demented scholar. Actually, his problem is worse than dementia: his commitment to socialism has snapped the moral fiber. In a recent article in New York Times (June 19, 2013), he accepted that “China had the largest famine in recorded history, from 1958 to 1961, when Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward killed some 30 million people.” But he also wrote: “China, which during the Mao era made advances in land reform and basic education and health care, embarked on market reforms in the early 1980s; its huge success changed the shape of the world economy.”

One would expect the holier-than-thou Sen to unambiguously and comprehensively castigate a regime that killed tens of millions of people, but he actually lauds it for the “advances in land reform and basic education and health care” that it allegedly made. Quite apart from the fact that these advances were fictitious, the casualness with which Sen countenances an aspect of Maoism is unconscionable. In an earlier work, Hunger and Public Action, Sen and Dreze had also found that India did worse than China in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. Such egregiously insensitive observations can be made only by the intellectuals who have lost all touch with the reality and morality.

And yet, Sen has the temerity to pontificate on the suitability of an Indian candidate for the top political office! Seldom was unconscionableness more pompous.

A less illustrious detractor of Modi is Sudheendra Kulkarni. A former BJP and L.K. Advani’s alter ego. In an interview, he criticized Modi for his ‘burqa of secularism’ remark. He also dislikes Modi’s embrace of Hindu nationalism: “Anybody who says that I am a Hindu nationalist who believes in Hindu rashtra, in Hindu nation, is not really representing all of India. There is a big and qualitative difference, fundamental difference in saying that I’m a nationalist Hindu and I’m a Hindu nationalist. Hindu nationalism condones something that is restrictive and divisive and which is not good for our national unity and national integration.”

It doesn’t occur to Kulkarni that BJP without Hindu nationalism is like omelet without eggs. But then you can’t expect much from a corporate lobbyist who has tried his best to transform the saffron party into a shadow of the Congress. Here is a man who presided over the 2004 and 2009 election campaigns and ensured that the BJP lost miserably. Now he wants the Hindu nationalist party to exorcise its own soul and become a zombie. In fact, many in the BJP have tried the exorcism for quite some time; this is the reason that the party has been acting like a zombie for quite some time. Modi wants to stop the exorcism; Kulkarni wants the process to be taken to logical conclusion.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jul 2013 16:09

INC has not given up fight. If anyone thinks that the dirty tricks department of INC will keep quite till 2014 they are seriously mistaken. Possible attacks may now come:

1. D4/Lohpurush/others in BJP.
2. NDA partners like SS keep asking for Lohpurush etc.
3. Ishrat Jahan Case.
4. Lok Ayoktha
5. High Court of gujarat Judge - Vera Bhadra Singhs daughter.
6. 2002 riots - New "evidence" etc.

Against this Modi has the support of RSS, Baba RamDev, most of the BJP workers, CMs of BJP ruled states. He also has powerful paid media and most of the leftists "intellectuals" against him. Other most useful assets of Modi is the social media through which he could spead his ideas much better and contact people directly.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 31 Jul 2013 18:08

Narayana Rao wrote:INC has not given up fight. If anyone thinks that the dirty tricks department of INC will keep quite till 2014 they are seriously mistaken. Possible attacks may now come:

1. D4/Lohpurush/others in BJP.
2. NDA partners like SS keep asking for Lohpurush etc.
3. Ishrat Jahan Case.
4. Lok Ayoktha
5. High Court of gujarat Judge - Vera Bhadra Singhs daughter.
6. 2002 riots - New "evidence" etc.

Against this Modi has the support of RSS, Baba RamDev, most of the BJP workers, CMs of BJP ruled states. He also has powerful paid media and most of the leftists "intellectuals" against him. Other most useful assets of Modi is the social media through which he could spead his ideas much better and contact people directly.

The corrupt architecture will liquidate him before he becomes PM or HM.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 31 Jul 2013 19:24

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 31 Jul 2013 19:31

Pranavji, plijj do tell. After batla house nonsense your hero is now going to storm into power with jhadu?

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 31 Jul 2013 19:47

Rajinder kumar of IB retires today.

Wolves lie in wait.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 01251.aspx

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jul 2013 20:22

matrimc, don't worry.. and no hurries.. if he wishes to receive my pranams, he will show up here in response to this message.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 31 Jul 2013 21:18

SaiK ji, I do not want to go on forced vana vas for flouting forum rules. I like voluntary vana vas.

OT:
matrimC ji, disclosing who is who is forum rule violation? I didn't know that.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 31 Jul 2013 21:21

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2013 21:49

venug wrote:
SaiK ji, I do not want to go on forced vana vas for flouting forum rules. I like voluntary vana vas.
OT:
matrimC ji, disclosing who is who is forum rule violation? I didn't know that.

VenuG, Thats a common courtesy. Do we need a rule for that elementary ettiquette?

Chalo rule form now on. Instant ban will be enforced for disclosing identity of other members.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 31 Jul 2013 22:09

Thanks ramana garu, I meant to ask about handles not the real identities of people, for example if I had a previous handle as A and now my handle is B, I thought it is no problem to say "hey B used to have a handle A previously". Nothing about real identities.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jul 2013 22:11

what if A's real identities were revealed earlier to a few others/bot/etc.? it becomes an indirect reference pointer nah?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2013 22:17

For once SaiK speaks normal speak!!!

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 31 Jul 2013 22:18

Okay makes sense. Thanks.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jul 2013 22:34

Sushupti wrote: Visit any small town or roadside stops in eastern UP, you will find phone charging services run on generators or Battery. These poor aren't realy that poor that they can't afford a charging.

Please try to go for use cases beyond mere charging of phones.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 01 Aug 2013 04:53

Actually Rajdeep looks intimidated here, no color on his face. Looks like a robot asking question and Modi just keeps hitting him:

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Aug 2013 08:49

insider info on shot gun saga... actual reason why he is against NaMo is that NaMo made amitabh the brand ambassador of guj and not shotgun who was in bjp.. it is well known that ab and shot gun don't get along well..

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Aug 2013 09:01

gakakkad wrote:insider info on shot gun saga... actual reason why he is against NaMo is that NaMo made amitabh the brand ambassador of guj and not shotgun who was in bjp.. it is well known that ab and shot gun don't get along well..

Sounds like bullsh*t to me. He's not going to shoot his mouth off and lick the feet of Nitish Kumar without greater incentive. There is either money involved or he has skeletons in the closet.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 01 Aug 2013 10:48

May they are playing out kAlA patthar in real life nice movie nevertheless.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Aug 2013 11:02

Money and skeletons may cause him to lick nitishs foot.but he was known to be against namo for many years.he has been making random sickular statements since 2010.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Aug 2013 11:23

gakakkad wrote:insider info on shot gun saga... actual reason why he is against NaMo is that NaMo made amitabh the brand ambassador of guj and not shotgun who was in bjp.. it is well known that ab and shot gun don't get along well..

quite plausible. ego will take a man where reason will not.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 01 Aug 2013 12:09

The shot gun has gone really bonkers. Even neutral persons who supported him will have to think twice about his mental capabilities. Thanks god for small mercies, by praising Diggy Raja, Sinha has done huge favor for NaMo.

From Twitter.

@IndiaToday: After Nitish,BJP's Shatrughan Sinha praises Digvijaya Singh,says he's one of the few senior & good people in Congress & is respected by all.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Aug 2013 12:43

in other words he wants a JDU or INC ticket. may his wish be granted soon. even Loh Purush the great sickular should join the INC and contest

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Aug 2013 13:49

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 01 Aug 2013 14:21

Narayana Rao wrote:BJP has 2 MLAs now and for long used to win Hyd LokSabha seat. But not now, Support in rural ares isnot much. May win Mehboob Nagar with Nagam Janardhana Reddy. Major gains in 2014 may not be possible than that. It will not win a single MLA or MP seat in rest of AP.

This is a Goddess sent opportunity for BJP to capture AP. Kongis were in a jam in the AP. So, they are playing tricks there to divert people's attention from Kongi performance in last 10 years. So, they are playing with T(and consequently AP). For the first time, they have presented pro-separate T stance at center level. So far, they have been doing a careful balancing act without tilting either side after the Dec 9. But I don't think they will form T because
a) they don't have the numbers in assembly or parliament(without BJP) to push it
b) it is detrimental to kongis in the long run(i.e. next elections in 2017-2018).
c) kongis don't take any decisions. They only keep stoking the fires.

But, kongis are pretending to go with separate T. Fine. Now is the time for BJP to take pro-united AP stance. Why? Because, there is too much competition in T region. TRS and Kongis are trying for the same share. And it is not possible for BJP to compete with them at this stage. Even TDP is in a jam because they have also announced the pro-separate T stance. So, everyone is trying for the same share of votes.

That means, there is no one to represent the voices of pro-united AP in AP. And Yrus party is making the most of it. Jagan is being given a clean path to go ahead. But, even he has not really done anything dramatic to win the pro-unity voices.

So, BJP can capitalize on it. If BJP takes a pro-unity stance, then it stands to gain regardless of other factors. First and foremost, kongis are a national party and they have taken a pro-separate stance. Now, only a national party can match a national party. So, if BJP goes with a pro-unity stance, then it would be ek teer do nishan.

I think kongis started this tamasha because they were afraid of Modi coming to Hyd and taking a strong T stance. So, they tried to pre-empt him. Now, BJP can push the kongis into a corner and checkmate them by taking pro-unity stance. By such a move, BJP can gain in Coastal AP and Rayalaseema(and even in T because I think there are lots of people who are not in favour of separate T in T). So far, BJP has not made any gains despite taking staunch separate T stance.

And if BJP gains in AP(in coastal and seema), then that would be a big big jolt to kongi-system.

BTW, breaking AP is not at all good for the country or for telugu people. Remember that AP was formed in direct consequence to Dravidian movement. Formation of AP, deflated Dravidian movement in India, so it was exported into Lanka. IF, Goddess forbid, AP is broken, then it will re-ignite Dravidian movement in India. All the factors are still in place.

Then, there is another point. Separateness of T is based on erstwhile kingdoms. So, that will lead to another thing, sooner than later. Like separate Jaisalmer...etc. And such seperate movements near border areas(like Gurkhaland) will have a very negative impact.

Also, any out of power politician can stir up such movements. KCR took inspiration from Shibu Soren. Now, IF this goes through many more will take inspiration. I won't be surprised if 600 new states are formed in next 50 years. Because there is no dearth of power-hungry selfish politicians in desh.

Finally, it is the jihadi rule of Nizams is being used to project T as separate from rest of the Telugus. And this has all the tendencies of pakiness. Infact, this is very similar to partition and a new state will act like a paki state only trying to foster separateness by focusing on nizams(just like pakis focus on mughals). BTW, I am a telanganite(born and bred && through and through).

It is a wrong idea to think that all telanganites support separate T. Infact, the great mischief is the term 'seema-andhra'. The right term is 'seema-coastal andhra'. All the three regions T, seema and coastal are Andhra only. Disassociating from the identiy of Andhra itself is ignorance or worse pakiness. KCR and his gang(or more precisely his family) are already trying to exaggerate the slight differences that may exist. KCR has even praised Nizam. No wonder because people like him were imported by Nizam from coastal region to undermine the native T guys. If a seperate state gets formed, it will be worse. It is very recently that the system of Dhoras is getting undermined. A T state can regress in terms of social justice and again the advent of Dhoras may also happen. And of course, there will be political instability due to the smallness of the state, that means the minority votes will increase in value. Further, small new state will be vulnerable to naxals(like Jharkhand and Chattisgarh). So, that opens the opportunities for naxals to implement their plans of Thirupathi to Pashupathi.

All in all, this is not good for country or telugus or Hindhus. But, there seems to be no party that can take a stance in this regard. Everyone seems to be trying only for pro-seperate votes only(not just in AP). It is quite similar to how everyone is trying for minority votes. That means there is no competition for majority votes. Similarly, there is not competition for pro-unity votes(particularly in AP). So, BJP can take advantage of this situations. Even RSS is supposedly against seperate T state, and righly so. Because it is based on the legitimacy of jihadi state of Nizam.

I believe the kongis are only faking it, so as to divert, obfuscate and fool people(of both pro-separate and pro-unity sides). KCR and Jagan are kongi puppets just like Chiru. And CBN has failed spectacularly showing that he is not fit to play politics and he has been trapped. Just when the CBN was again raising, kongis open it again. They have been doing this for last 5 years, yet CBN has not caught on. Kongis have given worst rule in AP, especially the load-shedding(even in Hyd for 3-4 hours) everyday for 3 years. Yet, CBN is unable to capitalize on it. He seems to be mega-failure just like Advani at center. Just as BJP has come up with a new face, maybe TDP can go with a new face and change in policies.

The advantage that Modi has is that he has not spoken on T so far. So, he can easily justify a pro-unity stance. Because the leadership in BJP has changed, a change in stance can be justified. And I think the reason Modi has not come to Hyd, so far is because he was waiting for kongis to clear their stand one way or the other. Now, that kongis have done it, Modi can take opposite stand. There is a huge number of votes waiting to be taken, if BJP can take pro-unity stance.

I think the Kongi strategy is that they will pretend to go with pro-separate T. But, they will not form it. They will stop short of it. Then, they will ask for votes on it. TRS and Kongis will either merge or form an alliance. That will leave the field open for Jagan. And he will form a post-poll alliance. Thats the kongi strategy.

This strategy is based on the assumption that BJP is going pro-separate. So, kongis are also pro-separate. They have already played their hand. If in this critical juncture, BJP makes a new move, that too in coastal and seema area, it will be a disaster for the kongis. It seems like AP is going to be waterloo of kongis. But, the question is can BJP capitalize on this? And will telugus and country suffer as kongis destroy themselves?

In last elections, TRS had an alliance with TDP. BJP had gone very strongly with pro-separate T. Yet, all the three parties failed spectacularly in T region itself(not talk of rest of AP). Yet, no one seems to have learned any lessons. On the contrary, kongis got more MP seats than MLA seats. There was a perception that Kongis will not form T. This perception was further stoked by YSR who declared that visas would required to go to Hyd if a separate T is formed. The irony is that it was YSR who had played with separate T and formed alliance with TRS to defeat TDP. TDP tried to emulate YSR and kongis. They failed.

What does that show? Why did Kongis win more MP seats than MLA seats? Because, there is a strong pro-unity block that voted kongis because they were trusted not to give separate T. Now, the same block will vote for any party(particularly a national party) if it takes a pro-unity stance. People are quite intelligent to differentiate between MP elections and MLA elections. So, BJP can definitely hope to win at least 10 MP seats in AP, if it takes pro-unity stance now. And such a stance will also provide BJP with workers and leaders(who are already trying for united AP).

As I said, all the parties are only trying for pro-seperate votes. So, the politicians are also in a jam(specially in coastal and seema regions). If BJP, a national party, takes pro-unity stance, such people can jump ship to BJP. And it will be a big blow to kongis.

This move, right now, I think will be a master stroke. IF BJP can pull it off. At least, it should try. Instead of going with the same old failed formula. I don't think BJP can really get any seats in T region, now that kongis themselves have put up this new stand. And this new stand by kongis was put up precisely to stop any potential votes/seats going to BJP. Kongis are playing with a fear of Modi in their minds. That is making them do extra-ordinary things. Can BJP capitalize on this?

All the BJP leaders in T region are really jaded lot. And have not done anything. So, even if they are against such a change in stance, their voices can be ignored because they don't have much following in the first place. Even the seats that BJP has won in T, it had to heavily depend on TRS for it. And TRS is a kongi puppet out and out. So, it is like depending on kongis. And that is not a good strategy.

I think Modi should immediately go to coastal and seema regions and talk of pro-unity. This is an opportunity that will not come twice. It is times like these when people are ready to switch loyalties and BJP can be a beneficiary.

And BJP has enough arsenal to target kongis on this case. Because the bill cannot be passed in assembly. Many people are against it and their opinions are not being taken into consideration. Even the Sri Krishna commission did not take a pro-separate stance. Kongis did not present the bill all this while and wait till the elections come. Kongis are trying to hide behind this issue to skirt the issue of development, governance and corruption. All the states that were formed till now were formed in a sub-region that did not have the capital. So, by all the above points BJP can target the kongis and take a pro-unity stance. It will immediately bring them close to many people in AP. Even those who never looked at BJP as an option will think about it because there are not many choices for pro-unity votebank.

It was MP seats from AP that gave an edge to Kongis and allowed the UPA to survive all this while. So, no wonder, kongis are playing all these tricks on AP to preserve their power. Without AP, kongis cannot come to power in their present situation. And kongis have a really good thing going in AP because they don't have to compete with BJP in AP. And CBN has failed to check the kongis. He has been successfuly entangled by the kongis using proxies like KCR, Chiru and Jagan apart from low level kongis. On the other hand, BJP cannot hope to get into power without capturing the southern states. And this is such an opportunity. BJP was trying to get into AP through pro-separate stance. Now, BJP gets a chance, a clear field without much competition to get pro-unity stance votes. At the minimum, that means many votes from coastal and seema regions. They may even get votes form T region for this stance. Also, a strong hindutva stance will earn them votes, particularly in T region and especially in old city of Hyd. Add development and Modi, you have a very good combo.

I hope BJP has the good sense to see this opportunity instead of trying to compete with so many in T region for the same voteshare.

Also, the onus is on pro-separate party to present the bill and get it passed. On the other hand, the pro-unity party can simply vote against it and it is status quo. So, the job of pro-unity party is easier than the other side. So, BJP does not have to give anything new. All it has to do is to promise to vote against it in parliament, if it is presented in parliament and speak against it in public forums. Even if BJP continues with pro-separate stance and promises to vote in favour of separate state in parliament if a bill is presented, it will not get any credit. The credit will go to kongis and TRS. And both of them will either merge or form an alliance. Even otherwise, KCR will dance to the tunes of Maino. TDP and BJP will look like losers even if they vote in favour of separate T if the bill is presented in first place. Of course, TDP will not be able to make its MLAs and MPs from coastal and seema regions to vote in favour of separate state. And same will be the case with Kongis. Because there is extra-ordinary public pressure on the MPs and MLAs from coastal and seema regions.

In short, BJP stands to gain nothing from separate T stance. It has already tried and failed. And the number of competitors has only increased from last elections. So, better to change the stance specially and justify it on the basis of change in leadership(Modi).

Goddess forbid, If a separate T goes through, then sooner than later there will be calls for separate Vidharbha and separate Saurashtra. And separate states in Rajasthan based on erstwhile Rajputhana kingdoms. And kongis will be expected to play very enthusiastic role in it specially in stoking separate Saurashtra(which is similar to T because it is an arid area). Saurashtra like T can also claim to be backward. Of course, it has been proven that T is no more backward than other regions of AP. So, separate T can hit BJP in some of its states and one can trust kongis to do it.

Now that BJP has lost n Karnataka, it needs to urgently gain in another southern state. I think AP is ripe for the situation. The ploy should be a combination of pro-unity stance, development and hindutva. Hindutva in T region to counter MIM. pro-unity stance for coastal and seema regions. And development and governance to take on the dismal rule of kongis and their allies. Such a combination will be very effective. By such a strategy BJP can rise in AP in next 10 years. On the other hand, if it sticks to its losing strategy, then it cannot blame people for not voting it in(whether assembly or parliament).

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Aug 2013 14:31

NM to be formally declared BJP PM candidate!

Narendra Modi will be India's next PM: Yashwant Sinha

Modi to be declared BJP PM Candidate

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Aug 2013 14:40

What i am not completely satisfied with in the above links:

Mr Bhagwat, who had intervened to end Mr Advani's public sulk, has assured the senior leader that he will continue to play an important mentoring role in the party, but has also made it clear that no more dissonance will be brooked. Mr Advani has since made speeches that demonstrate an acceptance that Mr Modi is likely be the face of the BJP in the next general elections.

The RSS chief also met Mr Modi and handed him a set of dos and don'ts, including the advise that he must base his campaign on collective leadership.

In keeping with that, the BJP has announced Team Modi 2014 - 20 star-studded committees to manage different aspects of the party's election campaign under Mr Modi's stewardship. (Read: 20 committees, power balanced between big hitters)

IMO NM must be given a larger free hand and say in what are to be the 'Do's and Dont's'. NM knows that aspect better than anyone in the RSS or BJP since it synchs with the majority public perceptions better. There is a large socialist crowd in the BJP/ RSS whose agenda's on development and governance will be at odds with the business friendly approach that NM possesses. The large block of fence sitters that are ready to align with NM as head will be looking at what kind of Do's and Don'ts are spelled out. However NM once at the top should be ruthless and not allow the "do's and donts" to affect him and doing what is necessary. There should be no NAC kind of body replicated with NM doing it's ordered chores.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Aug 2013 16:08

Narayana Rao wrote:BJP has 2 MLAs now and for long used to win Hyd LokSabha seat. But not now, Support in rural ares isnot much. May win Mehboob Nagar with Nagam Janardhana Reddy. Major gains in 2014 may not be possible than that. It will not win a single MLA or MP seat in rest of AP.

Rohit Kashyap V ‏@RohitBJP 22 Jun
Karimnagar District level leaders from TDP, TRS, and Congress are joining BJP today in the presence of @kishanreddybjp.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Aug 2013 16:14

JohneeG garu, what you wrote is impossible. They only thing that should be worked out in the short term is to force a straight contest in T against MIM+INC (TRS+INC). BJP could revive here and hence they need to force TDP into a pre-poll alliance.

On the otherside they should work to reduce Jagan and poach MPs after the elections into NDA. There are huge possibilities.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Aug 2013 16:16

harbans wrote:NM to be formally declared BJP PM candidate!

Narendra Modi will be India's next PM: Yashwant Sinha

Modi to be declared BJP PM Candidate

I will not believe anything written by DNA and NDTV. Wait for more details.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Aug 2013 16:19

It does not work that way in BJP. But Sangh has indicated who will lead and that ends it. just like Macaurther said about Japan " their emperor ordered surrender and he is God". It is the Sangh who decides and Advani may do all the things but it makes no difforence. The manner in which he failed to win in 2004 and 2009. Lost golden chance in Karnataka with serious mismanagement, Jinna dramas, regreat for RamaJanmabhumi/sicular makeover attempts and resent attacks on Gatkari leading to him not becoming BJP president all contributed to weakening of his position vis a vis Sangh. Yashwanth Sinha, Sushma Swaraj, Shotgun etc are not from Sangh.

Finally one thing every one is not looking. For the first time a full time Pracharak of Sangh is going to be the PM. Does anyone think Sangh will let go that chance??? Expect 100% support to NaMo, Expect dramas from D4 which in the end prove to be futile attempts.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 01 Aug 2013 17:08

NM has changed situation to an extent where people have started calling MMJ and BJP at large leftist. I still remember cartoons in MSM magazines in 90s showing LKA as a communal virus in cartoons. If NM contests elections at national level, the benchmarks of left, right and center will be forced to change (even if he fails to win 180+ seats but manages to show a healthy vote share).

NM is expected to lead the largest or 2nd largest party in the parliament. His ground level support ensures that his opposition (in case he becomes leader of opposition) will not be limited to speeches in parliament, but can result in large waves in the streets. I guess this is what makes the current established elites uncomfortable.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Aug 2013 17:11

Modi to tour Andhra region

In the meanwhile Modi thinks very fast. One thing they can do is the challenge INC to have majority on their own without BJP/NDA support in Lok Sabha. Hell will break lose then for INC.

Diggi Raja and temite queen has to seriously try to create majority support and it will kill INC plan of getting majority seats in AP.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 01 Aug 2013 17:23

Congress is brilliant in winning elections (and nothing else !). This time again they have created a good strategy and BJP doesn't have a chance of winning much in AP.

I think Congress strategy of winning AP is as below:
1) Telangana - 17 seats - All pro-T folks will vote for TDP. Congress will ally with TDP. UPA wins handsomely.

2) Rest of AP - 11 seats - This is very Chanakyian game here. Most of people here will hate Congress for their Telangana decision, so their votes will be go Congress' biggest opponent. It's Jagan. Case has been built up steadily to pretend huge differences between Congress and Jagan. So people vote for Jagan. Jagan will then allay with Congress later. Again UPA wins. BJP is nowhere in game.

UPA is shameless alliance. It can have Mayawati and Mulayam for sake of power, so it can have TDP and Jagan also. I don't think BJP has any clear strategy to counter this.

If BJP takes pro-T stance, it's vote share will STILL be less than TDP which is most aggressive proponent of T state. No chance in rest of AP as it will be less than Jagan's party.
if BJP take anti-T stance, it's vote share will be less than Jagan's party in rest of AP, and almost zero in T state.

Best strategy is what NaMO is doing - expose Congress methodology of working, and expose what Congress does and when it does. It's all about elections and nothing else.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Aug 2013 17:42

Defeat INC chances in AP let it be TDP No issues. But INC has to go from AP first. NaMo is going around in AP non Telangana areas. He is going to attack INC. Hope Termite queen do not win anything.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 01 Aug 2013 18:11

NikhilB, some minor corrections to what you say. When you say TDP, probably you mean TRS in Telengana. Rest of AP has 25 seats (not 11).
Ya BJP does not have much chance here in T state. They can however not do a volte face on T at this stage. But probably Namo can stoke the fire in AP - T areas on corruption by cong, their political machination (T split not because of some real demand, only to shore up cong numbers), their opportunistic attitude ityadi.
This can be like Shri RJB movement, where after Mandal got introduced, BJP did not go with an anti Mandal yatra but with Shri RJB movement. Never uttered a word for or against mandal, but all the dissatisfied people with Mandal (mostly forward caste), jumped into BJP arms. BJP in a bang, from being a 2 MP party (actually it was 90 MP party then), went to become 160 and then eventually 180 people party, mostly in Cowbelt (where people had not even heard of BJP - UP and Bihar). The hatred was so much that even after RG was assasinated, in later phases of election these two states did not give any extra seats.
Can that happen in AP? Well they say, great flux in history comes when you ahve two things - situation and leader!! The situation is there, is there a leader? LKA and SS do not inspire confidence. Babu and Jagan are entrenched and have a higher chance, but one is Con Pilla (probably in Telgu means subset of Bigger set, in Hindi it means little demeaning but all the same) and other is a good PPT leader. Probably AP recons teh New Mahdi!! Let the new Mahdi rise!!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Aug 2013 18:13

for Modi, it is good to start from AP's capital.. hyd...he can also chankiyanly claim it is a good start for T as well.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Aug 2013 18:15

TOI article is a plant. I doubt Modi will do that at all. In T, if BJP works on a good candidates (not the loyal members of BJP but some moneyed folks) and put some sense to T-TDP for a coalition, they will have good chance of snatching few seats.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Aug 2013 18:49

RSS can't dictate much to Modi. They will try to create an == image but it won't fool anyone.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Aug 2013 19:34

So if this whole thing is a distraction, what is INC distracting us from?