Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Sep 2013 06:27

^ it is because they want to Rule not govern or lead. That is why they are more worried about internal challengers. External challengers, they are comfy with for they don't care how big is their kingdom is as long as they continue to be the kings. They will compensate the loss of territory with increased tax/trade revenues.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Sep 2013 06:59

RamaY wrote:Ramanaji,

One option could be that the old man can become president and the party can push for a presidential form of election after first term.

Perhaps he can be the first president of Bharar (a.k.a POTUS) for six months.

Sweeten the deal a bit.

I need to model that in a system dynamics mapping program. What I see in his behavior is that of one who wont confront as too many feedback loops pull him down. Its a oscillatory behavior where as it should be asymptotic to hit or get out.

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Let me explain. A normal person will either oppose or align eventually. Provided feedback loops are reinforcing that tendency.
However when we see vacillatory behavior in people or oscillations in continuous systems, we need to see what feedback loops are leading to that behavior.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Sep 2013 07:38

if ever the congis are overthrown, nobody and I mean nobody must be just allowed to escape. all the congi elites should get their passports temporarily suspended pending a case by case review. CBI/IB/RAW will need to be cleaned up before even a review is possible. there can no covenant of ignoring the activities of family members since this stick was used to muzzle the lohpurush and abv.
special courts will be needed to dig up all the connections of the octupus and ONCE and FOR all punish the guilty parties harshly.

I am sure 'emissaries' from gulf nations, vatican, italy, france, USA, UK anywhere would fly in requesting they be allowed to fly out with their chahetas like nawaz sharif making a escape to KSA, but all such envoys must be shown the door. infact the undue access and influence of some consuls in delhi to people in power must be curbed.

if the next govt just focusses on economy, none of these poisons will be lanced and will just hide in the shadows to do more damage later.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Sep 2013 07:49

purged

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Sep 2013 07:49

^^ +100 Singha. A purge is needed. The pigs will squeal before they die - with media amplifying the witch hunt. The challenge is to do all of these simultaneously - get us out of the economic hole, build a foundation for the future & destroy the Congress weed garden

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 04 Sep 2013 08:08

Singha wrote:if ever the congis are overthrown, nobody and I mean nobody must be just allowed to escape. all the congi elites should get their passports temporarily suspended pending a case by case review. CBI/IB/RAW will need to be cleaned up before even a review is possible. there can no covenant of ignoring the activities of family members since this stick was used to muzzle the lohpurush and abv.
special courts will be needed to dig up all the connections of the octupus and ONCE and FOR all punish the guilty parties harshly.

I am sure 'emissaries' from gulf nations, vatican, italy, france, USA, UK anywhere would fly in requesting they be allowed to fly out with their chahetas like nawaz sharif making a escape to KSA, but all such envoys must be shown the door. infact the undue access and influence of some consuls in delhi to people in power must be curbed.

if the next govt just focusses on economy, none of these poisons will be lanced and will just hide in the shadows to do more damage later.

Best would be to nationalise all the ministers, mps and mlas properties and bank accounts. With burkha rajdeep etc. firmly under radia tape warning made to sing praises for this decision. Just auction the properties and use the money for some populist schemes like Flats for jj colony poor people or shopping complex for chhabri walas.

Once that gets digested then go for media - Rajdeep's 52 crore bunglow and shekhar gupta's property money all journo properties nationalised with them given small govt. quarters for lifelong living. Again money used for some populist schemes.

Then go for rich ngo-runners like shabnam azmi.

Make a rule that these categories: 1.) Ministers 2.) MPs 3.) MLAs 4.) Corporators 5.) Media both electronic and print 6.) Union Leaders 7.) NGO runners can't have a right to own property and bank balance of more than 1 lakh rupees.

Just pull the plug in one go.

niran · Post by **niran** » 04 Sep 2013 08:44

rohitvats wrote: This shows Congress is desperate and is throwing everything at NM but this will polarise the vote further in his favor.

and that everything is

zero tolerance towards terrorism

some effort, go on tomorrow it might be NaMo stared at some lady kangrezi for few seconds, so he should resign and hanged till death

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 04 Sep 2013 09:14

NAMO is doing a brilliant strategy. On one hand he is ensuring that all these media items are being leaked as per plan to polairze the vote bank and on the other hand he is focusing on the youth and the women vote bank as they are the worst receiver of pain in the UPA - empty pockets ( no jobs ) and empty kitchen ( price rise ). He wil take care of the Vanjara's once he comes to power in Delhi. Make no mistake about it.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 04 Sep 2013 09:47

Hope the tempo continues and NaMo ends Manmohan Gandhi misrule

Mahatma Gandhi wrote: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Sep 2013 09:51

SaiK wrote:if they have proven themselves to be high handed criminals, then why not let them escape desh.. and deliver "the final justice" in a firang land? . i don't think anyone cares how their fate ends? we can't be dharmics and karmics for ever.

letting them escape the net will just lead to new serpent bases in KSA, dubai, london,D.C under foreign govt and think tank patronage as "exiles of conscience" and "offshore dissidents" chased out by the hindu nationalist criminals from india. "hearings" before subcomittees and conferences will be held on religious intolerances and how "churches and mosques" are being burned. the NDA made that huge mistake in not attacking and the serpents crawled right back.

this time use phenol and let none escape if the opportunity comes. the entitlement to housing (premium ones) in lutyens needs to be strictly curtailed as well. why should a simple MP like maam or RG get huge compounds? DDA flats in tilak nagar should be given to MPs and lutyens area remodelled into green parks and water bodies.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 04 Sep 2013 09:55

Amyrao garu, anTE mee drishTilO (so in your esteemed view) PM MMS is M. Kareemchaand Gandhi, antEna (yes)?

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 04 Sep 2013 09:57

Singha wrote:
SaiK wrote:if they have proven themselves to be high handed criminals, then why not let them escape desh.. and deliver "the final justice" in a firang land? . i don't think anyone cares how their fate ends? we can't be dharmics and karmics for ever.
letting them escape the net will just lead to new serpent bases in KSA, dubai, london,D.C under foreign govt and think tank patronage as "exiles of conscience" and "offshore dissidents" chased out by the hindu nationalist criminals from india. "hearings" before subcomittees and conferences will be held on religious intolerances and how "churches and mosques" are being burned. the NDA made that huge mistake in not attacking and the serpents crawled right back.

this time use phenol and let none escape if the opportunity comes. the entitlement to housing (premium ones) in lutyens needs to be strictly curtailed as well. why should a simple MP like maam or RG get huge compounds? DDA flats in tilak nagar should be given to MPs and lutyens area remodelled into green parks and water bodies.

+1 Could not agree more. If we go down this ...(self delete)

(Oh! How i wait to see this day!!)

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 04 Sep 2013 10:19

No not at all
All I am saying is

Manmohan Gandhi. Is MMS + SG = Manmohan Gandhi

To which I quoted original MK is support of NaMo

They laughed
But he who laughs last lasts

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Sep 2013 10:25

imo elections are coming in Dec-jan . they wouldnt want to wait for economic ruin and mass scale layoffs in manufacturing and services to fuel more urban anger, or prolonged power issues due to coal shortages to hit farmers hard.
EC will need around 3 months to prepare ...... so congis might launch their heaviest attacks on namo in next quarter and simultaneously move into elections.

RG has already setup an office in akbar road where his courtiers track all constituencies and lists are surely being made potential MP candidates.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 04 Sep 2013 10:32

But who laughs lots lost

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 04 Sep 2013 12:09

Fantastic lecture by Dr. subbu Swamy. Explaining the vision document of BJP.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 04 Sep 2013 13:28

Singha wrote:if ever the congis are overthrown, nobody and I mean nobody must be just allowed to escape. all the congi elites should get their passports temporarily suspended pending a case by case review. CBI/IB/RAW will need to be cleaned up before even a review is possible. there can no covenant of ignoring the activities of family members since this stick was used to muzzle the lohpurush and abv.
special courts will be needed to dig up all the connections of the octupus and ONCE and FOR all punish the guilty parties harshly.

I am sure 'emissaries' from gulf nations, vatican, italy, france, USA, UK anywhere would fly in requesting they be allowed to fly out with their chahetas like nawaz sharif making a escape to KSA, but all such envoys must be shown the door. infact the undue access and influence of some consuls in delhi to people in power must be curbed.

if the next govt just focusses on economy, none of these poisons will be lanced and will just hide in the shadows to do more damage later.

Right. If these ba$@@@d$ escape, they will continue to collaborate with external forces especially Anglo countries to destabilise India for perpetuity. In fact this model (for destabilization and control a country through the use of Exiles) has become the new MO for US and UK. This has already been perfected in places like Libya, Iraq and now Syria. CIA,MI6 and US special forces are past masters in using such exiles and dissidents for their own geopolitical agendas.

And those who do manage to escape should be hunted down in foreign territory. No quarters given and none asked for.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 04 Sep 2013 13:46

darshhan wrote: And those who do manage to escape should be hunted down in foreign territory. No quarters given and none asked for.

Russia has perfected it. LOOK how they assassinated Litvinenko.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 04 Sep 2013 14:32

While we are at it, how about kicking out all Bdeshis, forcefully move all muslims from Kashmir and instate pundits, locking entire bollywood into tihad, naked parade all leftists, bring back Kohinoor and Mayurasan to desh, demand reimbursement of all looting done by brits with cumulative interest at the rate of 32% (that alone will take care of our growth for 100 years

) .... list goes on...

Mr. Kalki has a very very long time to come. Till then we have to be contend with this sheepish SDRE called Modi.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 04 Sep 2013 14:36

Atri wrote:Fantastic lecture by Dr. subbu Swamy. Explaining the vision document of BJP.

Atri-ji,
You have ruined my beauty sleep with your link - it is 0530 here and I have not yet gone to bed - been listening to Dr. Swamy. But in the end, the lost sleep was worth it. While we on the BRF are perhaps aware of some aspects of it, Dr. Swamy's bold articulation of the vision of the future was just fantastic, not least for its courage and clarity, and I am awed that he would dare say it in public. Thank you very much, Atri-ji. I really hope that the BJP government, should it come to power for once, should take this vision to heart and go ahead and work to implement it.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 04 Sep 2013 14:57

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/09/04/1 ... 28525.html

How would this affect the termite queen's 'medical' trips?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 04 Sep 2013 15:13

what would buddhu say now about latest threat to India after Swaami Aseemaanand seems to be innocent and Sonia is summoned by US court in 84 anti-Sikh riots? Buddhu should be going after those who provided weed to him if he has guts-whether CIA or South Asia nomenclature nautanki or plain puki/arap drug lords cabal running wild in Punjab for example.

Instead we have buddhu going to US ambassador doing

about saffron terrur. Leelaa of bhagwaanji only to have to see this.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Sep 2013 15:59

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Sep 2013 16:39

What is Sswany and NM email id???

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 04 Sep 2013 16:44

Summons issued by US court to Sonia Gandhi in the 1984 riots case
Hence her health became grave and she engaged a very good attorney for cure all
She is in US

Uncles control of India is complete

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Sep 2013 16:47

purged

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Sep 2013 17:52

It seems LKA and gang met the President and demanded early polls. Naturally they do not want NM to settle and organise the things. early elections will be advantageous to INC with UP and Bihar BJP units require more organising time.

No reporting on the summons to the Vishakanya by US courts. Paid media is afraid to allow publicity for this matter and mass killings of ~~Sicks~~Sikhs and her actions to shield INC leaders.

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Narayana Rao garu I expect better spelling and idea articulation from you as I have higher expectations. Please dont be contrary to that.
First step use Chrome or Firefox with spell check.
Next write clearly. No more thant three points about an idea.

Think of it always as an argument you are making in the court of public opinion.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Sep 2013 18:42

http://politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=252
From PP guy

Three lawyers who are Union Ministers, Two lawyers who appear on Television but are not in the Govt and the Highest Govt Law Functionary in the Court, under the supervision of ONE who is not a Lawyer, pooled their heads after taking inputs from the jailed Police Officer, wrote the Explosive Letter signed by the "Jailed in Mumbai Jail" Gujarat Police Officer Vanzara.

The style of the letter clearly indicates that Vanzara does not have the literary talent to write such a letter. Vanzara just signed on the dotted line.

Vanzara was deputy commissioner of police in Ahmedabad, when riots took place.

Vanzara would certainly have known that the Minister of State for Home in Gujarat was not Amit Shah but Govardhan Zadafia.

Amit Shah became the HM, replacing GZ, six months after Gujarat Riots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit_Shah

In 2003. after the BJP won a second term, Narendra Modi inducted Shah as the youngest minister in the cabinet, and gave him an unprecedented ten portfolios. This included the Home ministry, which looks after the police apparatus in the state.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Sep 2013 18:43

Interesting schedule for Narendra Modi in September:

5th September – Shri Narendra Modi to felicitate best teachers and address Teachers Awards Programme on the occasion of Teacher’s Day 2013 at Gandhinagar, Gujarat. Time – 10:30 am onwards

7th September – Shri Narendra Modi to speak at Ambikapur, Chhattisgarh marking the closing of the 2nd phase of Shri Raman Singh’s ‘Vikas Yatra’. Time – 2:30 pm onwards

8-10th September – Shri Modi to address various functions of Vibrant Gujarat Global Agriculture Summit-2013 at Mahatma Mandir in Gandhinagar, Gujarat. Below are the details of various events –
8th Sept – Inauguration of Exhibition – 6pm onwards
9th Sept – Inaugural session of the Summit – 9:30 am onwards
10th Sept – Closing Session of the Summit – 4:30 pm onwards

10th September – Shri Narendra Modi to address Suraaj Sankalp Rally in Jaipur, Rajasthan, Time – 12:30 pm onwards. This event will mark the conclusion of Suraaj Sankalp Yatra and will also be attended by BJP President Shri Rajnath Singh and state party president Vasundhara Raje.

15th September – Shri Narendra Modi to address BJP’s Ex-servicemen Rally in Rewari, Haryana. To know more about this event, click here

22nd September – Shri Narendra Modi to address Indian Diaspora in OFBJPA Council & National Executive Committee (NEC) Convention organized by Overseas friends of BJP(USA). Time – 6:30 am (IST) onwards

26th September –
Shri Narendra Modi will address the 60th Birthday Celebrations 0f Her Holiness Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi at Amritapuri, Kerala. Her Holiness Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi (Amma), spiritual leader and humanitarian who has selflessly served the World community for decades, has come to be universally accepted as an indefatigable trailblazer who has revitalized our rich Indian culture and moral fabric.

Shri Narendra Modi will address a huge BJP Youth Conference in Trichy, Tamilnadu. Time – 3 pm onwards. To Register and know more about the event, click here.

29th September – Shri Narendra Modi to attend Bharat Natyam Dance Festival (Bharatnatyam Performance by Mithili Prakash) in New Delhi, organized by Divinity Series. Time – 7 pm onwards. To know more about the festival, click here.

30th September – Shri Narendra Modi to address The International Advertising Association(IAA) Platinum Jubilee Global Marketing Summit in Mumbai.

NM Sept Schedule

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Sep 2013 18:49

nice. he is creating a personal presidential election style brand by using his website directly than depend upon some old fudgy BJP website prone to loh purush tantrums.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Sep 2013 19:09

NM better settle this matter with LKA... else, it is going to be a show for kangrez onlee.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 04 Sep 2013 19:28

Narayana Rao wrote:It seems LKA and gang met the President and demanded early polls. Naturally they do not want NM to settle and organise the things. early elections will be advantageous to INC with UP and Bihar BJP units require more organising time.

No reporting on the summons to the Vishakanya by US courts. Paid media is afraid to allow publicity for this matter and mass killings of Sicks and her actions to shield INC leaders.

OR perhaps by BJP asking early polls, congress will refuse thus giving Modi more time.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 04 Sep 2013 19:43

Narayana Rao wrote:
No reporting on the summons to the Vishakanya by US courts. Paid media is afraid to allow publicity for this matter and mass killings of Sicks and her actions to shield INC leaders.

Narayana ji, pliss to correct the autocorrect error.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Sep 2013 19:43

the concept of a purge is interesting in many ways.

For the Indian scenario, with the bureaucracy being a behemoth of the State, any such purges cannot be successful without turning one section against another. Think of Stalin, and how the later General Secretaries of USSR went about implementing their purges.
Stalin's example is only for theory purpose. not to be implemented!! he extended the idea of a purge to entire populations, wiping out millions for no other reason than to break up any possibility of group cohesion among the populace. he individualized the entire population. NOT to be tried out in Bharat.

you have to form parallel organizations with dual redundancy. for all they know both orgs could be probing into each other, and simultaneously set each other up for a fall.

we have to operate under assumption that the bureaucracy is heavily penetrated by all and sundry interests. a nation-wide purge of the intel/policing sections ordered by the PM will fail. most likely, the PM will get kicked out, or get "handled" pretty quickly.

I don't think we are understanding the enormous task that is a purge. it's not as easy as it is claimed. especially in a fractured democracy like modern India where coalitions are the order of the day.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Sep 2013 19:47

at the very least, a good start would be to promise one of section of bureaucracy that they will have "full support" and "might" of GoI. and use them to do what needs to be done.

any purge should not come directly from PM's office. it's unlikely to succeed in that case.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 Sep 2013 19:53

RamaY wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit_Shah
In 2003. after the BJP won a second term, Narendra Modi inducted Shah as the youngest minister in the cabinet, and gave him an unprecedented ten portfolios. This included the Home ministry, which looks after the police apparatus in the state.

Amit Shah became Minister of State for Home,Transport, Prohibition and Excise on December 22, 2002 whenNew cabinet was formed. So he was MOS in 2002 when reverberations of Gujarat riot was still fresh.
( from his Offical Facebook entry)

However, during Riot Govardhan Zadaphiya was MoS Home in Gujarat.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Sep 2013 19:53

the urge to purge is what matters, and not the purge per se.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Sep 2013 19:56

chaanakya wrote: Amit Shah became Minister of State for Home,Transport, Prohibition and Excise on December 22, 2002 whenNew cabinet was formed. So he was MOS in 2002 when reverberations of Gujarat riot was still fresh.
( from his Offical Facebook entry)

However, during Riot Govardhan Zadaphiya was MoS Home in Gujarat.

Saar,

Gujrat riots happened for a whole week between Feb'28 and March 1st. AS become HM in end of December, paltry 9 months after the riots.

Yes the reverberations of Gujarat riots ware still fresh, and they are still fresh for the MSM and Termite-Queendom even now.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 04 Sep 2013 20:07

Godhra massacre took place on 27th. 28th Feb, March 1 are 2 days riots seem to have taken place. Feb has no 29 onwards.

The standards are pretty low for Indians. Con race standard is divide and rule and then riots to prove states are chaotic plus central agencies to keep everyone in check. Rest anything goes from elections to elections.

Modi crushed riots and went after law and order only along with performance as new standard and that is cause of all takleef. The bar is set high for con race chamchaas who would blame rioting non-progressive Hindu mobs. That is not working anymore in Gujarat under CM Modi.

Con race has brought every state to con race standard and so prince can sit on throne even if he is just a CEO wanna be buddhu. He doesn't have to be even mayor of a town for performance is not a criteria. India and competent class has to be reduced to Prince level.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Sep 2013 20:08

^ Saar, its a joke on DDM....