Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Sep 2013 07:27

fanne wrote:Those are old surveys. Nelson does survey every 6 months in 28 cities, approx 9000 ppl. The latest is out today.Hindi by tag looks recent, browser having trouble opening it.

Sorry saar. Fixed the English link. The Hindi link seems to have been correct even previously.

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Sep 2013 07:38

nageshks wrote: Added:
http://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/nat ... 12366.html
The English version of the survey.

Across all zones except South, Narendra Modi emerges as the clear choice of the people for the position of Prime Minister of India. In South zone, it is neck and neck between Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi.

Sauth loves yuvraj!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Sep 2013 07:45

this is what our babooze do.. all advertantly though.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Sep 2013 07:46

archan wrote:
nageshks wrote: Added:
http://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/nat ... 12366.html
The English version of the survey.

Across all zones except South, Narendra Modi emerges as the clear choice of the people for the position of Prime Minister of India. In South zone, it is neck and neck between Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi.
Sauth loves yuvraj!

It would be interesting to see the breakdown across the cities. It should give us an idea of who (which state) loves Yuvraj. Checking if the full version of the survey and its methodology can be found anywhere.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 07 Sep 2013 08:00

So, the 'India Shining' slogan of the NDA during 2004 was actually correct. The Congress made a mockery of it, and the public bought the Congress line. Now, in 10 years, the Congress has brought it to 'India Whining'. Maybe this is what the people wanted, and got.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Sep 2013 08:03

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 07 Sep 2013 08:58

>>In this environment, whats going to happen is that when an aforesaid Gulf entity comes to India with a lot of money, and its officially allowed, enough vultures in our current system will gather around to take a pick off of that money, and in return be ever willing to compromise on Indian national interests for that money. If you think I am being rhetorical or fear mongering, I am not. As far back as 2001, in a certain city, madrassas sponsored by the baap-dada of the Gulf (KSA) were propping up. It was well known to locals (and the cops) that messing with those guys was not allowed, and they had near complete immunity to any actions. A decade later, the near complete radicalization and ghettoization of many of those areas is complete.

madarsas prop up with hawala money...not fdi...and that is already happening ...i have no problem problem if an Arab, or even a paki entity purchases ,Indian infra-bonds...by doing so they are giving their balls in our hand...not the other way round...

imagine this scenario:
infra bond is issued for delhi-mumbai HSR ...dus percenti and mush buy 2billion dollars worth of each ...we go to war with pakee .... mush wd be like "hey don't bomb us ,we have 4b worth of bonds in your hsr project" ...even sounds laughable...

while the idea of pakee funding an HSR in India ,may seem outright repulsive to some , it seems shrewd and mercantile to me ...

not letting them buy infra-bonds won't hamper them of investing in madarssa's through hawalla..

a smart gov't would let pakee's sink there money in deshland ,while preventing them from getting to terrorists/madarssa's through hawalla.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Sep 2013 10:33

Is it true?

Govt names US citizen Rajan RBI Governor

| 7 August 2013, New Delhi, Team MP |

Many posts he has held could not have been without US backing. This may induce him to act more in favour of US than Indian interests, say analysts.

Raghuram Govind Rajan, who was appointed chief economic advisor (CEA) to the Finance Ministry in August last year and is a visiting professor to the World Bank and US Federal Reserve Board (America’s nodal monetary policy authority), was on Tuesday named the new Governor of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). Fifty-year-old Rajan, an American citizen, also served as International Monetary Fund (IMF) chief economist from October 2003 to December 2006.

He will succeed Duvvuri Subbarao, who defied the USA and its collaborators in the Indian government, policy circles and corporate sector to maintain a tight monetary policy in the face of sustained high inflation and a strong downward movement of the rupee. Rajan, who will be the 23rd governor of India’s central bank, will assume office on 5 September.

‘Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has approved the appointment of Dr Raghuram Rajan as RBI Governor for a term of three years,’ the government said in a release. A section of observers has criticised Rajan’s appointment. They point out that he is not only a US citizen but also that several positions he has held or holds — IMF chief economist, visiting professor to the World Bank and US Federal Reserve Board — could not have been without the backing of the American government. This factor, they fear, may induce him to act more in favour of US than Indian interests.

There are also fear relating to Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL), which has made huge investments in the US shale gas industry and has also applied with the RBI for a bank licence. They fear that if RIL does, in fact, get this licence, there would emerge a connection between the US shale gas industry and the Indian financial sector. This would be detrimental to India’s national interests, they point out. Rajan is an alumnus of IIT-Delhi and IIM-Ahmedabad and did his PhD in Banking from MIT. He was a professor at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business before taking over as CEA.

http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=35098

Can a foreign citizen be made 'Governor of RBI'?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Sep 2013 10:55

Just was explaining to SHQ - US department of state can grant citizenship to foreign nationals overnight if US is in dire need of their services. DoS can trump DoJ in this matter. Are there laws in desh where ministry of external affairs can override home ministry? Not so far fetched. Let us see how the "TamBram with razor sharp mind" - as poster vina put it - would perform. If his performance is meh then the joke is on all those hagiographizing TamBrams. I dont have anything against all TamBrams - but do take exception to those who try to crow about their accomplishments too soon.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Sep 2013 11:10

Dhananjay: YET another way in which, under the Maino Regime, We have become Pakistan. Remember how we laughd and crowed when Musharraf made US citizen Shaukat Aziz his financial czar, and later Prime Minister of Pakistan? It was so terribly funny- and quite unimaginable that India could ever lower herself to this. All of us who laughed then should prepare to eat Pakistan now.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 07 Sep 2013 11:17

He should have been asked to give up his US citizenship before being appointed the RBI governer. But, he is more Indian than the super PM. When the country allows Sonia to be the ultimate authority in India, it looks silly to complain about Mr. Rajan's appointment.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Sep 2013 11:33

Rudradev wrote:Dhananjay: YET another way in which, under the Maino Regime, We have become Pakistan. Remember how we laughd and crowed when Musharraf made US citizen Shaukat Aziz his financial czar, and later Prime Minister of Pakistan? It was so terribly funny- and quite unimaginable that India could ever lower herself to this. All of us who laughed then should prepare to eat Pakistan now.

What a stroke of luck Rudradev ji that you have appeared. Seeing this asaram continuous covering on all the channels, I was reminded of your post at the beheading of soldiers on border + asaram's comment on Delhi rape case covered on media 24 x 7; why to divert people's anger and attention from corrupt maino regime. As it was beginning to dawn on people that it was corrupt maino regime responsible for this.

So I have been writing down some points on what kind of news/newses media is hiding at this time, list is still in making but here is what I have made upto now:

1. Even as I am writing this piece, important information on the indictment of Sheila Dikshit by the Delhi Lokayukta, and court orders for the registration of FIRs against her and Jagdish Tytler is in the air. But I wonder whether it will make it to prime-time discussion. http://is.gd/4pDHpv

2. Raghuraman the US citizen becomes Reserve Bank Governer.

3. US court sends summons to sonia in 84' sikh genocide case.

4. Coal scam files missing issue.

5. Sonia going for check-up to US.

6. PIL filed against RBI sending 85% of its Gold to be kept in Bank of England.

7. looking for more to be added.........

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 07 Sep 2013 11:36

I hope and pray like in Zimbabwe only dollar is accepted in India
Everybody's worth will go up overnight out right
No more Hanky Panky business

It is said that Manmohan Gandhi holds Canadian citizenship?

In the PIO card information brochure it says normally PIO/OCI card holder may not be employed in GOI or PSUS looks like exception can be made

Verbatim

You cannot normally hold employment in the Government of India.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Sep 2013 11:45

a_bharat wrote:He should have been asked to give up his US citizenship before being appointed the RBI governer. But, he is more Indian than the super PM. When the country allows Sonia to be the ultimate authority in India, it looks silly to complain about Mr. Rajan's appointment.

Matter could be even more serious:

Video starts with how French newspaper Le Monde had predicted 1 and half year before 'than no matter which party forms the next govt. in India, IMF has already decided that Manmohan is going to be the next finance minister'.

Yes like Manmohan, Raghuram is IMF employee too alongwith US citizen.

It was called 'silly' too at the time manmohan was opposed as fm or pm of country.

Let me remind you once again:
http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=35098

Many posts he has held could not have been without US backing. This may induce him to act more in favour of US than Indian interests, say analysts.

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A section of observers has criticised Rajan’s appointment. They point out that he is not only a US citizen but also that several positions he has held or holds — IMF chief economist, visiting professor to the World Bank and US Federal Reserve Board — could not have been without the backing of the American government. This factor, they fear, may induce him to act more in favour of US than Indian interests.

First thing he does is asks the hindu temples how much gold they have?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 07 Sep 2013 11:50

SS can file a suit?
He should make sure Judge is not a US citizen

Notice how on his appointment INR gained and Dollar fell. Dal may kuch saved hain?

I wish Cho Ramaswamy writes at least in Ananda Vikatan an article on the current state

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Sep 2013 11:51

he is probably already thinking about it, has he said anything regarding this ???

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 07 Sep 2013 12:10

Here is the real maverick Cho talking to Shoba Warrior

Does that mean we don't have many leaders who have vision and a national outlook?

Yes, it is a fact, but it is happening all over the country. Only during big crises does leadership of vision emerge. Has France got a de Gaulle now? Can even Mitterand be compared with de Gaulle? Can Clinton be compared with Roosevelt? Can Major be compared with Churchill?

In every country, it is only during huge, big crises that real leadership emerges. Then people forget all other issues, all other ideological differences and look towards the personality, to the strength and moral calibre of one man and place faith in him totally.

Does that mean we are doomed to have leaders of this stature for a long time to come?

Yes, yes, for a long time. Till a crisis strikes us. So, pray for a crisis! We can take solace in the fact that other countries are also facing a similar dearth of leadership. You see when the power goes off in your house, you are upset, but when you look through the window and see that your neighbour also does not have power, you are satisfied. Like that, let's be happy in the fact that others also do not have great leaders.

Way back in 1999 I think

habal · Post by **habal** » 07 Sep 2013 14:17

Amyrao wrote:SS can file a suit?

I doubt SS will file anything against a fellow tam-brahm.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Sep 2013 16:03

Modi may be named PM candidate on his birthday on Sep 17

The BJP is likely to announce Gujarat Chief Minister as its prime ministerial candidate possibly by next week or on his birthday on September 17.

Sources said the BJP-RSS coordination committee would meet on Sunday to take a final call.

According to reports, BJP President Rajnath Singh, who held back the announcement in the hope of achieving unanimity on Modi, has decided to go ahead despite continuing reservations from some senior leaders.

He conveyed his readiness to RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Wednesday and followed that up by apprising former BJP chief Murli Manohar Joshi of the same on Thursday.

The BJP president on Friday said the criticism of Modi had increased after he was made the party's campaign committee chief, and such attacks by opponents would increase in the days to come.

Modi, who is considered the BJP's face for the next general elections, had on September 5 said his priority was to serve the people of Gujarat till 2017.

"We shouldn't dream about becoming something but doing something. I have been given a mandate till 2017 by people of Gujarat and will continue to serve you," Modi told a Class 10 student in Gandhinagar, when asked if he would return soon to address the students as the Prime Minister.

The BJP's Bihar unit on August 17 had passed a unanimous resolution urging the party's parliamentary board to announce Modi as its PM candidate. The BJP has, however, not officially endorsed his candidature.

More misdirection? media mischief? rumor mongering? more KLPD? Who knows, time will tell...

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 07 Sep 2013 16:16

NaMo just took a shot at NiKu, saying there are CMs like Raman singh on one hand, who fight Delhi and yet progress while on the other hand, there are some CMs who go to Delhi and beg and cant develop their state.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Sep 2013 17:54

habal wrote:
Amyrao wrote:SS can file a suit?
I doubt SS will file anything against a fellow tam-brahm.

Jayalalitha will disagree with you.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 07 Sep 2013 18:01

Modi comes from back ward cast and may be the first one to take a shot at the PM post. This could be a reason for the attacks being mounted from inside BJP and Congress. If u look into the PM of India, I think, most of them were upper caste! That is why NAMO was saying "untouchability" exists in political class. And this back ward cast back ground is one of the reasons of his growing popularity.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 07 Sep 2013 18:03

The mood polls are slowly widening the gap between NAMO and YUVRAJ. Nelson polls are now showing a clear gap. Earlier polls it was close.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Sep 2013 18:14

SwamyG wrote:
habal wrote:[quote="Amyrao")SS can file a suit?
[/quote)
I doubt SS will file anything against a fellow tam-brahm.
Jayalalitha will disagree with you.

she is kan-brahm actually. [for heck of saying it] .. i still have no clue yet for her actions against acharya. sometimes, makes me think she must have had ADHD as a kid and perhaps (not that i wish) alzeimer candidate. she is not being decisive at all.. nothing new is happening to TN.. she needs modi.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Sep 2013 18:53

Let Modi remain Gujarat CM: Uddhav Thackeray

There are several ground realities and political permutations and combinations even within the BJP which have prevented the party from declaring his candidature for the top executive post so far, Thackeray said.

"There are many who have dreamt of occupying the top post but failed to achieve it. Even Sharad Pawar had announced his candidature on several occasions in the past but suddenly backtracked. Now, Modi has done the same," Thackeray said.

On the other hand, the Shiv Sena president said, those who never dreamt of occupying the top post were catapulted there — like Rajiv Gandhi, Chandrashekhar, HD Deve Gowda, IK Gujral and Manmohan Singh.

"Modi has learnt these lessons of history. Now, who will teach the same lessons to BJP leaders like Rajnath Singh, Amit Shah, Smriti Irani, Balbir Punj and others," Thackeray wondered.

yawn. is uddhav planning to do a nitish and leave NDA? if not, lite lo, yawn and move on.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Sep 2013 19:08

The way media is going after BJP ruled state & anything related to Modi is seen to be believed. They seem to have read the writing on the wall and are launching their final offensive. Asaram has proved to be a useful tool. The MSM (Hindi & English both) are running day long sessions on 'Saffron robed frauds' with hit jobs on BJP ruled states like Chhattisgarh & MP strewn in between.

Dilli billi MSMs have also been beating their chests on the 'alleged' (funny how they omit this word when it concerns PIF) government expenditure of 2 crores on fake Lal Qila in Chattisgarh that has been erected as the podium for NaMo. A self goal by BJP, should have been more careful. But its funny how the same people do not question the government expenditure on Sonia's 'alleged' illness.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 07 Sep 2013 19:14

Sorry
She is gulti bra

Wiki says otherwise so I have to concede pending further investigation

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 07 Sep 2013 19:18

Hari Seldon wrote:yawn. is uddhav planning to do a nitish and leave NDA? if not, lite lo, yawn and move on.

In my opinion and estimate, Uddhav is a sane fellow. Everyone knows if SS leaves BJP, SS will be abolished, BJP might gain but SS will definitely lose. Raj is waiting for something like this to happen and so are people like Gadkari and current state-president from Nagpur.

It will be an annoyance only but not major effect on poll. Western MH and Marathwada and Khandesh is slotted to go with NCP-INC anyways and Vidarbha most probably stay with BJP. If SS does this, Marathi voters will move to MNS and MNS will willingly move into the embrace of BJP. BJP anyways wants more seats in seat-sharing agreement.

All these nakhras are for that only. BJP is asking for more seats. I don't know about anywhere else, but NM magic will work wonders in MH, especially in towns and cities. SS wants to keep its majority share OR perhaps is looking to expand in Vidarbha because in long run, they are destined to lose Mumbai. Marathi people are fast becoming a minority in Mumbai.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Sep 2013 19:20

Sai:
She does not need Modi. Modi needs her. BTW her parents were Mandyam Iyengars, so they probably spoke more or better Kannada than Tamil. And people do not sue or not sue because of caste.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Sep 2013 19:22

ABP Poll Projections

ABP Poll Projections: BJP surges ahead ; NM clear leader

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Sep 2013 19:23

a_bharat wrote:He should have been asked to give up his US citizenship before being appointed the RBI governer. But, he is more Indian than the super PM. When the country allows Sonia to be the ultimate authority in India, it looks silly to complain about Mr. Rajan's appointment.

It is not about the person. He may be a great (I wish him success) and he is more Indian like many Indians who settled abroad and still wish best for India.

However, there are few broader questions/aspects/double standards which are scary part for the forum elite to discuss in non gufa threads. My posts related to this are deleted in economics thread (perceived as thread disruption where as German ethnicity/tam brahm stuff is all about economics anyway) and was unofficial warned to not pursue these questions. However, as this is Modi's thread and perceived as useless junk and as thread disruption is okay a lot more irrelevant (completely nothing to do to this thread are okayed. No questions to someone's prerogative.

(1) If an India origin person with foreign citizenship can be made to even non-political government babu type positions? What are the security aspects of such a thing? So anyone can be infiltrated. This whole forum is about Defense of Bharat but such a discussion is Kommunal/parochial/thread disrupting and what not.

(2) The folks who left shores and pursued success abroad even how much ever India specific/oriented have pursued a path for their success. That is the choice that they made. Their contribution to India is appreciated but there should be some red lines where they cannot occupy spaces. Because such a window is easy to misuse and a clear path to make it a banana republic. The easy argument here is that a lot of desh-folks are thrash hence what's the big deal. If we like nothing big deal.

(3) The important thing "Is India really such a bankurrpt country" who does not have anyone inside with so many great institutions of repute? Do then have to take always someone from IMF, worldbank or only Oxford/Standford outputs? Does India cannot get "shudh desi ghee" anymore?

These are valid questions and has nothing to do with Rajan. He may be fine person.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Sep 2013 19:32

Atri wrote: It will be an annoyance only but not major effect on poll. Western MH and Marathwada and Khandesh is slotted to go with NCP-INC anyways and Vidarbha most probably stay with BJP. If SS does this, Marathi voters will move to MNS and MNS will willingly move into the embrace of BJP. BJP anyways wants more seats in seat-sharing agreement.
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Atri-ji,
In the mid 90s (particularly 96), both Khandesh and Marathwada went fully in favour of BJP-SS. Is it impossible for BJP-SS to repeat this feat? Marathwada, in particular, has had more than its fair share of misfortunes, under the Congress-NCP rule. Would they still stay loyal to Congress-NCP?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Sep 2013 19:51

Rahul an ideal choice for PM, will be happy to work under him: PM

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/?utm_source=ref_article

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Sep 2013 19:55

ABP poll shows a Tidal wave is brewing folks..BJP garnering 36% vote (NDA: 40%) vs Congress 22% and UPA 27%.
COngress was 28.5% in 2009 and BJP 18.8. NM is drawing 47% in favor to RGs 18%..sometime back it was 33 % - 31% remember. So is Mission 272 a low aim? INC got 206 with 28.5% share..so what would 36% or 40% for NDA get? 250 plus?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Sep 2013 20:12

habal wrote:
Amyrao wrote:SS can file a suit?
I doubt SS will file anything against a fellow tam-brahm.

kanimozhi, d.raja, karunanidhi..... all tamil, two of them spent time in jail because of SS.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Sep 2013 20:28

Muppala garu, I hear you. Change comes often so slowly as to be unseen. And events on the ground force the pace, so much for being ahead of the curve.

Even 5 yrs ago this forum was a very different place from what it is today. I imagine 5 yrs hence, things on the ground will change enough that what seems far-fetched and CT-ish now may well be revealed as fact and eventually as conventional wisdom only. Who knows, time will tell.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Sep 2013 20:34

dunno swamy ji.. if the only thing she does is anti-dmk, then she does not need anyone else help. one has to consider future, to know who needs whose help. of course, i can't charter TN's wishes solo brained.. so it is only my 2 c.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 07 Sep 2013 20:37

The only analogy that come to my mind id to compare it with Tsunami in the open ocean

"In the open ocean a tsunami is less than a few feet high at the surface, but its wave height increases rapidly in shallow water. Tsunamis wave energy extends from the surface to the bottom in the deepest waters. As the tsunami attacks the coastline, the wave energy is compressed into a much shorter distance creating destructive, live-threatening waves."

As of Now NaMo seems like a Tsunami in the open Ocean. People can hardly read it without sensitive equipments.It reaches Poll ,the NaMo tsunami would attack Congoon with destructive force which might threaten its very existence.

The problem is that wave height seems so small that it is difficult to gauge the energy it packs. People , who are riding tsunami waves now , would hardly feel it.

However one could be mistaken equally. and Congoons are planning to give Mobile and Laptop to all poor, even though it is just a state of mind. After Food and Land it is time for free mobiles and computers to stem the tide of tsunami.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Sep 2013 21:14

harbans wrote:ABP poll shows a Tidal wave is brewing folks..BJP garnering 36% vote (NDA: 40%) vs Congress 22% and UPA 27%.
COngress was 28.5% in 2009 and BJP 18.8. NM is drawing 47% in favor to RGs 18%..sometime back it was 33 % - 31% remember. So is Mission 272 a low aim? INC got 206 with 28.5% share..so what would 36% or 40% for NDA get? 250 plus?

Harbans-ji,
I do not want to pour cold water on your hopes, but remember this is only based on the data collected in cities. However, things may be different in the countryside. We need to see what the countryside does for NaMo. What I would really love to see is a full scale opinion poll that analyses matters state by state, both urban and rural, to give us an idea of the opinion of the people. Waaaay back in the late 70s in Karnataka, I remember Devaraj Urs (the then Congress chief minister) telling urban dwellers that he did not want their votes (In so many words, he told them `Who wants your votes? We have people who eat ragi balls who vote for us!').

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Sep 2013 21:19

Dhananjay wrote: kanimozhi, d.raja, karunanidhi..... all tamil, two of them spent time in jail because of SS.

Dhananjay-ji,
I confess I do not share much enthusiasm for Subramanian Swamy. He is phenomenally intelligent and capable - I have no doubt of that. However, his record, when it comes to success in prosecution, seems extremely limited. Remember Subramanian Swamy went after Jaya in the mid 90s. He attacked her for a long time and made sure she spent time in prison too. But then, he made up with her and went to being best buddies with her, and helped her bring down Vajpayee government in 99. Can someone point me to a single instance where Subramanian Swamy has successfully prosecuted any politician (forget high level) and obtained a conviction?