Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 07 Sep 2013 21:40

^^^^

Jazaakallah. They all seem to have shaved their peards

Gillette Track III diplomacy?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 07 Sep 2013 22:18

After showing hateli mein chand to the bania Yindus now Shitistan plays the same tune with the Evil IMF.

“We are moving forward with eliminating the negative list on trade with India and extending India the most favoured nation status, and shifting to ‘sensitive list’ under SAFTA (South Asia Free Trade Arrangement) regime to facilitate increased regional trade,” Finance Minister Ishaq Dar said.

The Minister said this in a written assurance to the IMF during negotiations for the recently approved $6.64-billion economic bailout package, The Dawn daily said in a report.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 07 Sep 2013 22:19

^^^
Nice one Rajanb!

Gillette Track III diplomacy - The lift and cut system being followed by the ghazis of TSPA? Bleeding by a thousand cuts?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Sep 2013 23:16

Posting it here as this is the most read Thread :

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Cheers

deleting it since OT.
cheers.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 07 Sep 2013 23:37

It is still OT. We have been told many times to keep Indian politics off this thread. Please delete.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 08 Sep 2013 03:35

10% damage to standing rice crops in rains to dent export

KARACHI : Pakistan’s rice exports are likely to fall sharply in the wake of destruction of 10 percent standing crop in Punjab due to the heavy monsoon rains and excess water released by India into Pakistani rivers.

Now the new emerging problem of devastation of damage of rice crop due to heavy rains and excess water released by India into Pakistani rivers would serve a double blow to rice exporters.

He briefed floodwater and heavy rains hurt particularly the areas of Kamoke and Muridke, as the 50-56 percent standing rice crops have washed out, whereas in Sialkot area there is around 10-12 percent, in Narowal 10-15 percent, in Pasroor 20 percent, in Narang Mandi 15 percent, in Hafizabad 5-7 percent, in Jhang area 15-20 percent and in Chiniot 10-15 percent ready crops of rice have been damaged.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 08 Sep 2013 03:56

Gunmen kill nine in Peshawar

PESHAWAR : Gunmen attacked a mini-bus and two other vehicles near Peshawar late on Friday, killing nine people, police said.

Cheers

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 08 Sep 2013 04:47

Pakistan’s rice exports are likely to fall sharply in the wake of destruction of 10 percent standing crop in Punjab due to the heavy monsoon rains and excess water released by India into Pakistani rivers.

The Pakistani intellect is aware of much, but never how much, when and where it is that India releases its kafir water. I wonder if centuries of, as the Germans would put it, cozinfukkenaufzpringbegetten does that to one.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Sep 2013 05:20

Hafiz Saeed Threatens India with Mumbai-like attack at Islamabad Rally - ToI

Lashkar-e-Taiba ( LeT) founder Hafiz Saeed has said he will continue his jihad against India until the disputed Kashmir area is completely in Pakistan's grasp.

Warning that India is at risk of facing a repeat of the November 2008 terror strike on Mumbai, Saeed told his supporters at a rally in Islamabad on Friday to mark Pakistan's Defence Day by denouncing India as a terrorist state.

The Daily Times said that over 10,000 people gathered to support Saeed and called for a 'holy war' against arch-rival India.

Saeed's supporters were left further agitated when told that the United States and India are angry with Pakistan, which he interpreted to mean that God is happy with them.

He further said that they will make every sacrifice for the liberation of Kashmir.

He also criticized New Delhi for giving state honours to Indian prisoner Sarabjit Singh, who died in a Pakistani jail earlier this year. Sarabjit, he said, was a terrorist.

According to the report, the speakers at the rally openly declared their sympathy for the Taliban group fighting Western forces in Afghanistan.

Hamid Gul, a former chief of the ISI intelligence service, during the rally threatened that there are lot of people in Pakistan who were waiting to conquer India.

Saeed's supporters chanted 'Whoever is a friend of India is a traitor,' the report added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Sep 2013 06:30

It may be Difficult to Take Decision if Terror Acts do not Stop : PM to TSP

Though the PM's statement, on the face of it, appeared a bit tough, sources said the normal logistical preparations for the Manmohan-Nawaz meeting is pretty much on. The Prime Minister now has to take a formal decision to meet Nawaz Sharif on the sidelines of the UNGA meeting at New York, sources said.

I have never seen an Indian government before that so much deceived its own people as the UPA-II. On the one hand, it is taking every step at every conceivable opportunity to talk to TSP even while appearing to its own citizens to be taking a tough stand on terror. Sometimes, it even gives up that pretense of being tough as it happened after the latest LoC incident when first AKA gave a clean chit to TSPA and later Kurshid, in his interview with Arnab on Times Now, refused to take a tough stand against TSP and refused to categorically state that talks on the sideline of UNGA could even be affected because of this.

Overall, India is finding itself outmanouevered comprehensively. On the one hand, the US is pressurizing India to keep talking and not to retaliate for any terror (not that a timid India would have retaliated anyway) and on the other hand, TSP is taking advantage of the pressure on India as it usually does.

GoI does not seem to realize that TSP's actions, such as talking to the militants, the PA going with that decision, all parties welcoming such a move, using MFN as a bargaining chip (and the latest assurance to IMF on granting MFN to India is simply a fraud to get the much needed loans), complete delaying on 26/11 cases etc speak how it is going to behave in the months and years to come before and after 2014.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Sep 2013 07:34

I will not be surprised that the Nehru-Gandhi family headed Congress Part led, UPA Administration of our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh will spring on our country the last minute news that a meeting with Nawaz Sharif will take place in New York. Members of our Rajya Sabha and us ordinary citizens may see our Prime Minister display reticence when it comes to speaking to us on matters of national concern like the coal scam, but that reticence seems to be replaced with the urge to loquaciousness when it comes to the Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country that is consistently involved in contributing to the death of Indian’s.

Meanwhile text of what our PM said on the matter of meeting Pakistani PM is below:

Rahul Gandhiji Would Be An Ideal Choice For The Prime Minister’s Position' ……………………

Exactly 3 weeks from now you will be in New York for the UNGA, the possibility of a meeting with your Pakistani counterpart has been a matter of intense speculation. What are the prospects of such a meeting taking place on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York, specially since there is a view in India that you should avoid meeting Mr Sharif?

I have always maintained that we can choose our friends, but we have no choice with regard to our neighbours. And, therefore, under normal conditions, I would be happy to meet with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whom I respect, who has said the right things about how relations between our two countries should evolve. But, there are certain harsh realities on the ground -- if the terror acts do not stop; if those who voice terrorist thoughts move about freely; if there is no significant progress in bringing the culprits of the Mumbai massacre to book-- that I have to factor in before arriving at a final decision.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Sep 2013 08:07

SSji

In the meeting between Sharif and MMS - what do we think Sharif will ask for (and most probably get from MMS)? Access to Indian markets, education, medical facilities and targets of jihad has already been provided freely. Is power and access to cheap gas the only CBM on the table for Pakistan?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 08 Sep 2013 09:10

Anindya wrote:SSji

In the meeting between Sharif and MMS - what do we think Sharif will ask for (and most probably get from MMS)? Access to Indian markets, education, medical facilities and targets of jihad has already been provided freely. Is power and access to cheap gas the only CBM on the table for Pakistan?

That, and SSji can add to, is what is in the public domain. Power and gas. The rest will be what Unkil will get us to do to save his burning a$$ come 2014.

However, having said that, and the pattern as to what is happening on the LoC, A$$phuck and his stooges may create a diversion on the eve of the meeting.

Jazzakallah

Added Later:

(The meaning of this from Auntie Wiki: Jazak Allah Khayr (Arabic: جزاك اللهُ خيراً‎) is an Arabic term used as an Islamic expression of gratitude meaning "May Allâh reward you [with] goodness." Allah is the Arabic word for God.

Although the common Arabic word for thanks is shukran (شكراً), jazak allahu khayran is often used by Muslims instead, in the belief that one cannot repay a person enough, and that Allâh is able to reward a person the best. Often the response to jazak allahu khayran is wa iyyaakum (وإياكم), which means "And to you".)

And I thought it had to do with Jazz! So all the sucite bummers are jazzakallahed!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 08 Sep 2013 11:16

^^^
Sooside bummers get Jazzak-halaled!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Sep 2013 11:32

Anindya wrote: . . . targets of jihad has already been provided freely.

Anindya, let us look Nawaz Sharif's interests. NS needs to keep his civilians, his Army, his jihadists, his 'sweeter than honey' friends, and his Master happy.

His civilians need power, petroleum products, ability to make money in India cheaply, easy travel with next-to-nothing restrictions, educational & medical facilities etc. Some have been granted, some other have been granted but put on hold, and some others are yet to happen. So, NS would push for those that are on hold and those that are awaiting clearance. Of course, NS would ask for India to be generous like for example the pricing of POL products to be much below prevailing international price so that the 'fledgeling democracy & peace constituency in TSP can be strengthened'. All said and done, NS is an industrialist as is the incoming President. So, concessions on investment, banking facilities, LoCs etc on Pakistan's terms would be demanded and conceded to in the larger interests by the bigger brother. He would also demand 'big brother India' to understand the compulsions on MFN and ask India to wait patiently for a more opportune time citing opposition from Diffa-e-Pakistan and the PA. I am sure our PM, being an economist, would take an on-the-spot decision agreeing to that demand. Then the question of transit-trade with Afghanistan, if at all raised by India, would lead to the same 'understanding' and 'patient waiting'. There is always a dearth of vegetables, meat and wheat etc in TSP and so there could be demands for "uninterrupted and uninterruptible" supplies of these items from India. Then, the constituency of TSP farmers need to be tackled too. As everyone knows, India has been stealing TSP's waters (including its electricity) and therefore, NS may demand a freeze on all activities, current & proposed, on the Western rivers. He will justify this demand by saying that it would take the wind out of jihadists tails who have set up Diffa-e-Pakistan for this purpose. There are enough fools on our side to see great logic in that.

As for the Army, it has been saying for a long time that the capabilities of the Indian armed forces are what bothers them, not their past actions, or future promises etc. So, the demand here could be a freeze on acquisition and development of arms, ammunition and technologies that would pose danger to Pakistan or arms that Pakistan could not acquire by itself for various reasons. Those who support 'uninterrupted & uninterruptible peace process' from our side will naturally see merit in the 'destabilization' that Indian acquisitions are causing. Audacious TSP may even demand curtailment of DRDO processes. I, for one, treat TSP and its 'sweeter than honey' friend as one entity as far as India is concerned. TSP could therefore be camouflaging its friend's demands as its own. Then, the question of 'peace park at Siachen'. This is especially significant for TSP's friend as well now that it has decided to occupy Ladakh. Make no mistake, they do not like our presence in Siachen at all. Our turncoats are ever willing to consider this demand. This will make matters easier for the Chinese side. Cohen's articulation that it is easier to 'make up' (whatever that means) with TSP carries this sinister agenda of Siachen. Sir Creek could also be demanded as a CBM to be settled on terms conducive to TSP and why not ? It would also demand India stop its assistance to Baloch rebels and remind the PM about Sharm-el-Sheikh four years back. Last, but not the least, Afghanistan. TSP will surely demand a toning down of Indian involvement in and rhetoric about Afghanistan.

His jihadists want the Valley, for a start. So, this issue will be discussed. Even if the heart is willing for some to do so, there are various impediments to that. This is tactically a maximalist position that TSP would take while willing to settle for adjustments along the LoC that benefit TSP and harm India. TSP knows that India would not agree to anything like that (and the jihadists would also not settle for that) but the Indian refusal would be a good opportunity to highlight Indian 'intransigence' and 'small heart' to their Masters (who also happen to be Indian Masters too these days). The Master would be expected to lean more on India and to ward them off, India could make concessions in other areas. I also expect that some outrageous demands would be made regarding 26/11 case so that it can be delayed even further in the ATC at Adiala. It would also help in portraying India's non-cooperative attitude.

With all these just demands, it could only be a one-way discussion with our PM reduced to a mute spectator while NS sets forth in chaste Punjabi invoking the aura of Punjabiyat in all its glory.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Sep 2013 11:57

Given how important the JuD institution is to the GOP - I expect that the approach below may be used by Sharif to demand concessions...

Jamaat-ud-Daawa wants to discuss ‘India role in terror’

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 08 Sep 2013 12:12

Thanks SS. Quite a big hope list.

And @Peregrine. You are always the harbinger of good neuj. Thanks.

Anindya wrote:Given how important the JuD institution is to the GOP - I expect that the approach below may be used by Sharif to demand concessions...

Jamaat-ud-Daawa wants to discuss ‘India role in terror’

Oh my. I wish we had a role in terror. Hapheeg Sayeed should know that if that had been the case we would have had the world record of frying cutlets in porkistan by now. And bacon of course.

Jazzyakoolallah

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 08 Sep 2013 16:24

rajanb wrote:Thanks SS. Quite a big hope list.

And @Peregrine. You are always the harbinger of good neuj. Thanks.

Jazzyakoolallah

rajanb Ji :

You are Welcome Kind Sir!

One Strives to Please but not Stoop in Sycophantry!

Cheers

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Sep 2013 17:58

MMS: I have always maintained that we can choose our friends, but we have no choice with regard to our neighbours.

This is one more cliche being repeated by Liberal parrots without thinking..yes we can change neighbors. We can change China to Tibet as a neighbor for one. Other cliches libs like to repeat:

-All religions preach peace or No religion preaches violence
-We are all the same people and have the same likes and dislikes
-You can't clap with one hand
-A stable Pakistan is good for India
-Pakistani's are really friendly when we meet outside
-Paki's are too pragmatic to use Nuclear weapons, nothing is going to happen
-Extremism in all religions is bad
-India-Pakistan combined will beat all other countries

And so on, they just have their basic rooting's completely wrong. Based on the wrong template they build up a edifice that will inevitably crumble in time. For a nation making foreign policy decisions based on these premises there is nothing but danger. We are a long way before our leaders re assess their root assumptions on which they build policy.

One cannot live next to an ideology that is completely at odds with yours. One will have to survive as both will be in conflict. The conflict will spill into diplomatic, economic, military spheres. Thus a nation has to work to make it's ideology the winner. Nazi Germany had to be changed to a liberal and democratic republic for it's neighbors to live with it in peace. With Pakistan India too has no other option. How we do it is our choice. With China we have a choice of changing the neighbor but we must start having the guts to tell the truth.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 08 Sep 2013 18:55

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistan’s rice exports are likely to fall sharply in the wake of destruction of 10 percent standing crop in Punjab due to the heavy monsoon rains and excess water released by India into Pakistani rivers.

The Pakistani intellect is aware of much, but never how much, when and where it is that India releases its kafir water. I wonder if centuries of, as the Germans would put it, cozinfukkenaufzpringbegetten does that to one.

And the evil yindoos took away all the "current" from the water before releasing it to Pakistan leaving only djinn based power supply feasible in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Sep 2013 19:00

harbans, let me add another illogical and irritating cliche to that list:

An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Sep 2013 19:17

Shridhar ji yes, and there are quite a few i could not recollect, but have pointed to earlier. Some of these assumptions are so widespread, it is frightening. Worse is policy decisions are being made based upon these kind of false premises. Another falsehood for example..

India-China have lived peacefully for thousands of years.

No never were they our neighbors..but many still talk and believe so and are in decision making circles and take and make decisions with these untruths circulating in what little can be called their brains. There are a lot of these 'non violent' and peace ones floating..maybe we can compile a better list.

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 08 Sep 2013 20:33

3 Pakistan Army soldiers killed in blast in Northwest Pakistan.

The Pakistani army says a bomb blast has killed its three soldiers in a tribal region near its border with Afghanistan.

An army statement says the roadside bomb exploded Sunday in a village near Miran Shah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal area..........

Blast near Sariab road, Quetta leaves 2 dead

QUETTA: Two people were killed and eight injured Sunday evening in an explosion that took place near Sariab Road, Quetta, Express News reported.
Initial reports suggest the explosion occurred near a grid station.
“Explosives were planted in a bicycle parked in the area,” reported Mohammad Akram, Express News correspondent.

Good news just never stops oozing from suwaristan.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Sep 2013 21:16

Anindya wrote:Given how important the JuD institution is to the GOP - I expect that the approach below may be used by Sharif to demand concessions...

Jamaat-ud-Daawa wants to discuss ‘India role in terror’

This voice of TSPA/ISI/RAPE front and center. Wherefrom do Indian WKKS and other assorted scum in India get this crap that there is a TSP "civil society" that is distinct from this thinking is beyond me. You just have to listen for a few minutes to those who are cast as "moderate Pakis" and you will know their position is no different from this.

Just look at the divergence in the positions. TSP doesn't even even consider 26/11 or any of India's terror concerns as worth the piece of paper they are written on. In their minds, those tactics are a success in forcing India to talk. Its equal equal. Bring in RSS, colonel proHit, and the "both sides" are guilty narrative is complete. And to add insult to injury, TSP will bring in Afghanistan which is msuic to white ears as they seek to cut and run and lob a few missiles into Assad's butt to feel good.

And crap ons, white Moghuls, unevens, kerroists and their bakaras in India call this "rivalry". So both India and TSP must sit down and talk all "issues that be-devill their relationship" meaning TSP makes some obnoxious demand on Kashmir and whatever else is their fantasy, and India must consider that.

Does anybody think those Indian idiots who signed on to crap on's blog project have the intelligence or the b@lls to point out these facts?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Sep 2013 21:27

My list of Indian bakaras in the above post of course includes thappads as well. This crack pot needs to be sent to a mental asylum because he thinks India's anger against TSP is manufactured "ventilation". This scum like this, does India need any enemies?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/editorial ... 19081.aspx

The first is the repeated paralysis of Parliament. Day after day the image we show the world is of howling, screaming, quarrelling MPs who persist with partisan and, even, petty protests despite the daunting challenges facing the country. They seem unconcerned about the key reforms that will determine India’s economic future. They care more for their personal prospects in Andhra, Supreme Court judgments about their eligibility, missing files and fixing the PM’s accountability and, of course, ventilating easily manufactured anger against Pakistan . In contrast, Nero only fiddled!

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 08 Sep 2013 22:47

Brigadier Feroz Khan

Tashkent Agreement

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Sep 2013 23:06

Hiten the Indians may not have dominated as much in 65, but 71 my dad walked into a Newspaper printing press in Bangladesh time of surrender and picked up a few morning papers which had headlines saying Paki tanks are nearing taking over Fort William (Cal). The locals were throwing flowers at the jeep my dad was on passed the villages, and the Lt driving the jeep (later became a COAS) perceptively told him these flowers are fine, but we stay a day longer and these people will throw stones..the Indians had a very clear cut mission, knew what they were supposed to do and accomplished to the T. 3000 Indian soldiers took over from 30k plus Paki's in Dacca. We were only not prepared well for bargaining from the gains of war as too in 65. We must understand why that happens to us.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 09 Sep 2013 00:13

Pakistan proudly announces its Latest Firstest and Mostest Achievement!

US magazine terms Karachi 'most dangerous megacity' in the world

A US magazine ‘Foreign Policy’ has termed Karachi “the most dangerous megacity” in the world.

In a piece on Karachi’s role in the global trade of methamphetamine — an illegal psychostimulant – Foreign Policy cited a murder rate of 12.3 per 100,000 residents, “some 25 percent higher than any other major city”.

Commenting on the recent pace of change in Karachi, the report states :

“From 2000 to 2010, Karachi’s population grew more than 80 percent. That’s roughly equivalent to adding more than New York City’s entire population in just a decade.”

The article says that “gangs tied to political parties have long operated in the poorer parts of the city, running extortion rings and land-grab schemes”, asserting that these factors have helped turn conditions in the city to one of the most fertile hotbeds for meth trade.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 09 Sep 2013 06:21

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/with- ... 130908.htm
"With democracy intact, Zardari steps down as Pak President
September 08, 2013 18:21 IST
In a golden moment in Pakistan's chequered 66-year political history, President Asif Ali Zardari on Sunday left the presidency after successfully completing his five-year term, paving the way for India-born Mamnoon Hussain to take over.
Zardari is the first elected President to complete his constitutional tenure and to be replaced by an elected individual in Pakistan's history.
He was given a guard of honour, which was not attended by either Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif or the three service chiefs........"
Gautam

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Sep 2013 09:28

Peregrine wrote:Pakistan proudly announces its Latest Firstest and Mostest Achievement!

US magazine terms Karachi 'most dangerous megacity' in the world

A US magazine ‘Foreign Policy’ has termed Karachi “the most dangerous megacity” in the world. ............ {Snipped}

Meanwhile yet more embellishment on what Foreign Policy magazine served up ...............

Having sown the seeds of Mohammadden religion inspired terrorism in order target India, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan reaps the whirlwind and now earns the label of being “probably the most dangerous country in the world” from former UK Defence Minister, Liam Fox.

Do not miss the mutterings of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's High Commissioner to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hassan

:

Pakistan is probably most dangerous country: Liam Fox

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 09 Sep 2013 09:47

Meanwhile back at the Looney Bin ( named after Bin Laden)

Aaj ke Taaza Cutlet!

Three cops die in Kashmore police checkpost attack

(I didn't know there was a place called Kashmore! Chill. It is a part of Al Bakistan)

KASHMORE: Some unknown persons assailing a police checkpost gunned down three policemen in Badani area on Monday here, Geo News reported.

Police said that the assailants opened indiscriminate fire last night at 12.15 A.M. on the Samija checkpost in Badani area, resulting in the death of three police constables namely Sain Bukhsh, Amir Bukhsh and Ali Hassan. The attackers carried away the official weapons of the dead constables, while escaping from the scene.

Kashmore SSP Umar Salamat said that Shaltu Shar dacoit group was involved in this gory incident. He further said that the Badani SHO, Otha Namiani SHO and the police men absent from the checkpost have been suspended for their negligence.

Jazzakoolallah

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2013 10:31

arun wrote:Pakistan is probably most dangerous country: Liam Fox

Why did it take Shri Liam Fox so long to make this obvious observation and that too when he is not in power and why say 'probably' when he is quite clear that 'Pakistan stands out' over Somalia et al ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2013 11:30

Many Indians in political parties, cutting across political division, believe that all that needs to be done is to be generous with TSP and they will soon overcome their 'enduring hostility' with us and return as a prodigal younger brother. They do not believe whatever we say here, accusing us as inveterate hate-mongers etc.

The DT's op-ed today is a reality check for them.

Pakistan’s affair with extremist jihadi groups has risen in passion instead of abating amidst international pressures and the mounting terror attacks within the country by the terrorists. The Defence Day of Pakistan was celebrated on September 6 with the usual traditional fervour, eulogizing those who did and did not do much to win one of the series of confrontations that Pakistan provoked in its judgment to bring India down to its knees on the Kashmir issue. Under the layers and still carefully tucked away, the truth might never surface to allow the people to know that the passion of the 1965 war Pakistan pines for every year whenever any collective misery falls on it, has been raised on a façade about an enemy next door who attacked us in cowardly fashion and without warning or a formal declaration of war and not as retaliation for our infiltrating commandos into Indian-held Kashmir across the cease fire line. Indeed the field officers and the foot soldiers fought bravely in defence of the motherland under attack but the political and military leadership commanding the war came out as incompetent from the planning to the execution stage. The political leadership had ccnvinced itself that India would not dare attack across the international border despite Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri’s explicit warning and the military command was lulled into not preparing for such an eventuality. By the end of the 17-day war, we were running out of fuel and other supplies, including ammunition. Fortunately, the Soviets came to our rescue; had it not been so, September 6 might have added another dark chapter to our chequered history of wars against India. Yet we refuse to learn any lessons from this and other experiences. This defence day saw a plethora of religious parties on the streets showering kudos on the 1965 war martyrs, and putting feathers in the army’s cap for defending the country against the aggressors India. This was the gist of Hafiz Saeed’s commentary he made in Islamabad on Defence Day to a crowd of 10,000. Hafiz Saeed went all the way to the capital city Islamabad to celebrate the day, raising questions once again about the freedom granted to him in the public space. One, who paid for this elaborate arrangement, accommodating, a crowd of 10,000 people? The show was provided security and those attending it given a free hand to spray verbal hatred against the ‘perenniel’ enemy. Who gave permission for all this and was Hafiz Saeed’s speech vetted before being allowed to be delivered?

Hafiz Saeed is not an ordinary jihadi. He is accused of being the mastermind behind the Mumbai attacks in 2008. He carries a head money of $ 10 million imposed by the US. Previously he led Lashkar-e-Taiba, which was banned in 2002 by Musharaf. His credentials are simmering with India hatred, yet his speech against India was allowed on Defence Day. What does it show? On the one hand Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is talking of peace and normalisation with India, and on the other anti-India sentiments are fanned at the behest of the establishment. It is unfortunate that Pakistan is still stuck with its duplicitous approach and insists on smearing the truth and distorting history, forgetting that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. *

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2013 14:07

Pak All-Party meet Discusses Strategy to Tackle Militancy

Pakistani leaders on Monday discussed a fresh strategy to deal with Islamic militancy ahead of the planned drawdown of international forces from Afghanistan, officials said.

Heads of political parties, intelligence agencies and the armed forces met in the capital Islamabad to consider the prospects for opening peace talks with the home-grown Islamist militants.

Such a move could draw anger from the United States and other Western nations fighting al-Qaeda and Taliban rebels in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Washington said peace deals in the past had emboldened militant groups, which used “safe heavens” in Pakistan to attack international forces in Afghanistan. Islamabad has denied the allegations.

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said the meeting was expected to approve Pakistan’s first ever counter-terrorism policy, {and, pray, what's that policy when everyone is in collusion ?} a decade after Islamabad joined global campaign against terrorism.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was chairing the meeting, where he sought support from opposition parties for his plans to deal with rebel groups.

Sharif offered to talk with militants last month during his first address to the nation after taking over in June.

“I invite all those elements to dialogue who unfortunately follow the path of extremism,” he said then.

But the Prime Minister said his administration would use “other options” if militants did not respond positively to the offer.

The interior minister said a draft counter-terrorism policy envisioned an agency patterned after the US Homeland Security department, and a rapid response force to fight militants.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 09 Sep 2013 15:41

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2013 17:33

Joint Action with US Proposed to Nab Dawood Ibrahim: Shinde - ToI

The Indian government has proposed joint action with the United States to arrest fugitive gangster and country's most wanted terrorist, Dawood Ibrahim, Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde said here on Monday.

"We have arrested some most wanted terrorists (of late) and have killed a few on the border. As far as Dawood (Ibrahim) is concerned, we are in touch with (US agency) the FBI," Shinde said, talking to reporters here [Mumbai].

"There is already a red corner notice (against Dawood Ibrahim). We have proposed a joint action with the US (to arrest him). US Attorney General Eric Holder has also agreed to this," he added.

Indian intelligence agencies have claimed for long that the gangster is living in Pakistan.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Sep 2013 18:00

SSridhar wrote:Joint Action with US Proposed to Nab Dawood Ibrahim: Shinde - ToI
The Indian government has proposed joint action with the United States to arrest fugitive gangster and country's most wanted terrorist, Dawood Ibrahim, Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde said here on Monday.

"We have arrested some most wanted terrorists (of late) and have killed a few on the border. As far as Dawood (Ibrahim) is concerned, we are in touch with (US agency) the FBI," Shinde said, talking to reporters here [Mumbai].

"There is already a red corner notice (against Dawood Ibrahim). We have proposed a joint action with the US (to arrest him). US Attorney General Eric Holder has also agreed to this," he added.

Indian intelligence agencies have claimed for long that the gangster is living in Pakistan.

Is just me or does anyone else think that 'announcing' this is not a great idea? DI probably does not watch or listen to Shinde or read ToI. But I suspect that among his coterie there are one or more people who just might, and alert him.

This whole craziness of Indian authorities to jump on the PR bandwagon amazes me. That 'Tunda' guy is a case in point. You would have thought keeping the arrest quiet until they'd nabbed the accomplices would have been the way to go. Instead, they all but blurted out who they were looking for and where.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Sep 2013 18:05

Cosmo_R, the announcement is for internal consumption to soften the impact of concessions that are likely to be offered at the up-coming NY meeting.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 09 Sep 2013 18:29

Dawood is going to lock himself in his room in his Clifton house.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 09 Sep 2013 19:08

What use is Dawood capture for US? I don't think it matters. Why will they risk their seal teams and resources for SDRE country like India?