Internal Security Watch

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Sep 2013 21:06

^ it is very easy to come up with a narrative that talks about injustice, seclusion and Malsi-in-danger types.

On the other hand a narrative on "Dharma in Danger" is a difficult task, unless it is supported by a larger intellectual support system (please search for words Adharma appearing as dharma).

When the Leftists removed that support system from our academics, the narrative became defficult for dharmics.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 05 Sep 2013 21:58

A common dismissal (of the SDPI types in Kerala ) I understand is this:-
"If some born-agains want to strut around and play the Ghazi invader or Islamic Revolutionary, let them have their fun. It's just a result of increased exposure to POVs and ideologies and "investments" from the Gelf and to gain more sops by increasing nuisance value. If they want to trample their own women a little more and zealously guard their ilsakas let them do it. Who cares? It's not as if there's going to be a full fledged terrorism campaign in Kerala! It's more a cultural phenomena..... and hey are not going to actually mess with the conduit/pipeline. Also, it's not like these guys are going to win in the end anyway".

Well, this could be borne out if the movement was *entirely* composed of mercenaries, political provocateurs and Main Bhi Madonnas. The problem is this kind of outlet/organization attracts the sociopaths and adrenaline junkies and the True Believers of the Word to congregate around and meet and share skills and network and feed their "addictions" further. The latter, i.e. the Believer is the most unhinged loon of all. These types don't just drop it and leave if the political/economic/420 components are met or if the Gelf money dries up or if oil is replaced by some future tech..... not when it comes to Jannat and Soul and Houries and Apocalypse and blood lust. They will find a way to keep things alive even if they are few.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Sep 2013 22:00

^ true. Some accidentation of key nodes is required.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 06 Sep 2013 03:00

ramana wrote:IB works for GOI.

But might have gotten disgruntled due to the twin pinpricks of CBI (Ishrat Jahan) and NIA (dilution of powers)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Sep 2013 18:53

Escaped Serial Rapist from Parappana Agrahara Jail Nabbed Near Bengaluru - The Hindu

Serial rapist Jaishankar, who escaped from the Bangalore Central Prison was nabbed by City police on Friday.

The fugitive was nabbed at Kudlu Gage near the jail around Friday noon, Police said.

Jaishankar, who was involved in over two dozen of crime and wanted by the police of the three states, had escaped from Bngalore Centrral Prison in Parappana Agrahara, in a filmi style after scaling a 30 feet wall in the wee hours of Sunday.{Apparently, this was not a filmi-style escape as made out. He was royally let through the main gate by the jailors themselves}

The dare-devil escape had led to a massive manhunt being launched by the police. The Governmentt had also announced a reward of Rs 5 lakh for any information leading to his arrest.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Sep 2013 12:03

should have been shot dead

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Sep 2013 01:15

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/it-s ... ujarat-163
It’s always Gujarat

( Congress and their partners are clear and present danger to Indian national secuirty; Their actions speak louder than their fake denial)

Vijay Salaskar was killed on the evening of November 26, 2008. An inspector in the Mumbai police, he was driving the vehicle that was also carrying senior officers Hemant Karkare and Ashok Kamte when it was ambushed by Lashkar-e-Tayyaba terrorists.his was a dramatic incident that made clear the intensity of the attack on Mumbai on the dark night of 26/11.alaskar was an encounter specialist. His methods were his own. The government followed a “don’t ask-don’t tell” approach. There was nobody to leak letters or even ghost-write these for him. There was no gaggle of activists out to challenge the Mumbai police or any politician who was backing it. There was no Central Bureau of Investigation to conduct lengthy investigations into Salaskar’s career record and attempt to finish him. He was lucky.
Sitting in his cell, D.G. Vanzara, former chief of the Gujarat Anti-Terrorist Squad, may well be pondering Salaskar’s luck and fate. Today, Salaskar is held up as a model, no-nonsense police officer. For doing pretty much the same thing, Mr Vanzara is painted as a villain. If we get over the trite cliché that all fake encounters are bad — of course they are; though it must be said not one of
Mr Vanzara’s encounters, or Salaskar’s for that matter, have been legally proven to be fake — it is worth asking why Mr Vanzara does not deserve sympathy.
He has been in prison for six years now, implicated in three high-profile cases, without the trial having even begun. He is not alone; 32 officers of the Gujarat police, and virtually the entire ATS squad, find themselves behind bars and out of action. The anti-terror network set up in the state in the early years of this century has been crippled. ( So that islamist Terrorist of all kinds can flourish)Thundering voices on television insist Gujarat cannot be compared to Punjab in the 1980s or Kashmir in the 1990s. True, it can’t; but that doesn’t mean it faced no threat from terrorism. In the 1990s its coastline was used by terror groups to bring in munitions, including for the 1993 Mumbai bombings. After 2002, Mr Modi began to carry the highest threat perception, greater than any other chief minister at least. This has been borne out by successive Intelligence Bureau inputs. In 2010, the WikiLeaks cables revealed Western intelligence agencies believed that the Lashkar threat toMr Modi was clear and present and had not died out with the elimination of Ishrat Jehan and her accomplices in 2004.For anybody in public life — politician, civil servant, even activist and journalist — a fundamental test of integrity is in according different subjects equal treatment under conditions of equality. Has this happened with Gujarat? Why are terror threats to Gujarat and its chief minister ridiculed and the anti-terror operations of Gujarat police sabotaged? Why does this happen to no other state?Mr Vanzara’s long spell in prison, without trial, is seen as justified by those who blame him for the killing of Ishrat Jehan. Gopal Kanda, a former Congress minister in Haryana, has been charged with harassing, stalking and driving to suicide a woman called Geetika Sharma. This past week, he was given bail and allowed to attend the state Assembly. There was no clamour in the media. All women are equal but is (or was) Ishrat Jehan more equal than Geetika Sharma?
Now if only Geetika Sharma had lived in Gujarat and Kanda been a minister in the Modi government…

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Sep 2013 02:03

This is the bar set for elected CMs. Its tragic that no one is asking questions to shameless mobs doing this to CMs of states. Pseudo-secularism inbuilt too.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 08 Sep 2013 02:32

FB and Twitter are buzzing with massive riots in Muzaffarnagar. Of course media will not show anything cause it seems a particular community is going on rampage. FB/Twitter posts say mosques are blaring, urging the faithfools to kill kaafirs. Riots started when two Hindu boys attacked (and killed) a 'youth' who was eve-teasing their sister since quite some time, and the nearby faithfools saw it and the mod murdered both of them (in the most brutal of ways. Their heads were bashed with floor mill stones, with the chants of 'Allah-o-akbar' of course). Army has been called it seems and a total of 9 people have died.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 08 Sep 2013 03:32

kittoo wrote:FB and Twitter are buzzing with massive riots in Muzaffarnagar. Of course media will not show anything cause it seems a particular community is going on rampage. FB/Twitter posts say mosques are blaring, urging the faithfools to kill kaafirs. Riots started when two Hindu boys attacked (and killed) a 'youth' who was eve-teasing their sister since quite some time, and the nearby faithfools saw it and the mod murdered both of them (in the most brutal of ways. Their heads were bashed with floor mill stones, with the chants of 'Allah-o-akbar' of course). Army has been called it seems and a total of 9 people have died.

The Hindi media is covering them.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 08 Sep 2013 03:35

Continued from above:

More can be found at:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 296c3f49f1

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 08 Sep 2013 04:02

Muzaffarnagar: Army moved in after clashes, curfew imposed Bhupendra Chaubey, CNN-IBN
| Updated Sep 08, 2013 at 12:17am IST

Muzaffarnagar: Army has been moved in to control the violence in Muzaffarnagar district of Uttar Pradesh where six people have been killed and 34 injured in communal clashes. The UP government has imposed an indefinite curfew in Civil lines, Kotwali and Nai Mandi area of Muzaffarnagar. The state government has announced a compensation of Rs 2 lakh for the families of the deceased.

A freelance journalist associated with IBN7 Rajesh Verma was shot dead in the Kotwali police station area. In another incident of violence, a photographer was beaten to death in Thana Sikhera area. Both the media personnel were killed while covering the clashes.

Tension has been running high since three people were killed in Kawal village on August 27. Five companies each of the PAC and Rapid Action Force (RAF) have been deployed in the area.

ADG Law and Order of the state Arun Kumar confirmed the death of 6 people during the clashes while maintaining that the situation is under control. "All the senior officers are at the spot and curfew has been imposed in 3 police station areas. We have taken ample precautions. Additional PAC force has been sent. The situation is tense but is under control," Kumar said.

Calling the incidents of clashes unfortunate, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav said that the culprits will not be spared. "All senior officers are working to bring the situation under control in Muzaffarnagar. We have given order to take strict action if required. Curfew has also been imposed in certain places. I appeal to the people to maintain peace and do not believe in rumours. Action will be taken against those who try to disturb the peace and order," Yadav said.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/muzaffarnaga ... ef_article

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Sep 2013 08:42

Was bound to happen sooner or later...

Darabanga shut, Kolkata open

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Sep 2013 08:52

X-post from nukkad

Muppalla wrote:
RamaY wrote:Looks like new riots started in UP-Muzafarnagar followed by a secular community harassing a Hindu girl. In the events followed nearly 10 people died. Today an IBN reporter and a photographer deputed by police were killed.

First post news report on this topic has comments that show the public anger...
The news is blacked out. It is far worse and un-repeatable. The news channels are not even reporting.

Looking at the dead kids bodies, one can imagine what they suffered. Many must have seen the Sialkot paki brothers lynching video - it caused a real outrage even in a dump like Pakistan, recently in a rare display of sanity seven of the perpetrators got convicted with death penality for it in Pakiland.

The incident in Muzaffarpur is similar as above. But in this case the sickular Akhilesh government and the police system is doing all it can to shield the culprits - only because they are Muslims.

Back then indian media reported on the Sialkot Incident with all its fake outrage, now in a similar case on its own turf the so called national media is resounding in its silence - because the victims were Hindus and the perpetrators were muslims.

The hypocrisy and hollowness of our Sikular media is to be seen to be believed.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Sep 2013 09:00

actually, the SP government is acting predictably - Hindu leaders are being arrested, while mosque loud speakers blare anti Hindu missives (without any repercussions).

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Sep 2013 09:33

Let me rephrase what Narendra bhai Modi has said recently.

"Those who can't stand up against harassment of women are na Mard (not men)."

The two kids stood up against those harassing their sister and in the end sacrificed their lives while doing their Dharma.
People are not blind and there is a storm brewing.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Sep 2013 09:35

Wonder whatis the calculation of the Yadav duo in the state though? How do they hope to pi$$ off the majority and still retain power, unless they're privy to the as yet unreleased census only. Anyway, OT, shall stop here.

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Sep 2013 09:58

IIRC it is Jats vs RoP of western UP. If the army wasn't called in to quell the rage then it would well be game-over for RoP in western UP within a short passage of time. Anyways I predict a massive exodus of RoP from Western UP into cities like Delhi following this incident. They have taken on wrong crowd.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Sep 2013 10:07

habal wrote:IIRC it is Jats vs RoP of western UP. If the army wasn't called in to quell the rage then it would well be game-over for RoP in western UP within a short passage of time. Anyways I predict a massive exodus of RoP from Western UP into cities like Delhi following this incident. They have taken on wrong crowd.

Exodus, Bhai Kya Raaste Khule Rahenge. Hope no one make it to do Hijra to Dilli and Jaats sort it out locally there . Next few days will tell if Kalyug is on the last leg in india.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 08 Sep 2013 14:00

habal wrote:IIRC it is Jats vs RoP of western UP. If the army wasn't called in to quell the rage then it would well be game-over for RoP in western UP within a short passage of time. Anyways I predict a massive exodus of RoP from Western UP into cities like Delhi following this incident. They have taken on wrong crowd.

I second that.

The act of calling Maha-panchayat (which is done by khaps) itself shows the local people were cognizant of the gravity of the situation. And by all accounts, it was a very big maha-panchayat. And the people who attended this meeting were further attacked on their way back.

The fault line has been opened at the seam and this will not go unanswered. It seems the strategy was to allow ROPers to have their way for first couple of days and as the locals got their act together, IA was brought in to ensure no retribution.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 08 Sep 2013 14:39

rohitvats wrote:The fault line has been opened at the seam and this will not go unanswered. It seems the strategy was to allow ROPers to have their way for first couple of days and as the locals got their act together, IA was brought in to ensure no retribution.

Since I love history only, I quote following paragraph from very old essay on Shivaji Maharaj. Cannot highlight individual sentence, entire paragraph is important.

A typical Hindu power had certain distinguishing traits. It is not that they did not emerge victorious in a war. Victories - there have been many. However, their victory did not defeat the adversary completely. The latter’s territory did not diminish, nor his might wane. The victory rarely resulted in expansion of Hindu territory. Even though victorious, Hindus used to become weaker and stayed so. In short, it is plain that they faced total destruction in case of defeat and high attrition in case of Pyrrhic victory.

A new chapter in Hindu history begins with Shivaji wherein battles are won to expand the borders while strength and will power is preserved in a defeat. Secondly, the Hindu Rulers used to be astonishingly ignorant of the happenings in neighboring kingdoms. Their enemy would catch them unaware, often intruding considerably their territory and only then would they wake up to face the situation. Whatever be the outcome of the battle, it was their land which was defiled. The arrival of Shivaji radically changes this scenario and heralds the beginning of an era of staying alert before a war and unexpected raids on the enemy. Thirdly, the Hindu kings habitually placed blind faith in their adversaries. This saga terminates with Shivaji performing the treacherous tricks. It was the turn of the opponents to get stunned. In the ranks of Hindu kings, the search still going on for somebody to compare with Shivaji on this point.

This Rajput style warfare will take Yindoos only so far. Time to say Jay Bhavani and har har mahadev only..

Shivaji did not hesitate attacking Shaistekhan during Ramzan. Yes, the retaliation was on hindu festivals, ideals, pilgrimage places etc. But it wasn't much worrying because the pomp and material investment in temples, festivals etc was scrapped to nil. Bajirao let Nizam burn Pune and the temples within, without suffering from any moral self-doubt (so did the people who fled Pune due to Nizam burning) and made sure he met Nizam at time and place of his choosing. He picked up fight on his choice without needing an excuse. What more excuse one wants apart from the fact that Mughals were, as policy, anti-hindu.

Retaliation usually meets end like Rajputs. Offense gives the opener an additional advantage. Ranjit Singh made similar moves in Punjab.

having said this, this quote by Subbu Swamy nicely captures the reality and fate that awaits those who try to fulfill this reality -

the first lesson to be learnt from recent history of Islamic terrorism against India, and for tackling terrorism in India is that the Hindu is the target and that Muslims of India are being programmed by a slow reactive process to become radical and thus slide into suicide against Hindus.

fellow nationalist Muslim brothers should understand this ploy and not succumb to the machinations of Mullahs. It will exactly be what Swamy writes clearly - an assisted suicide of Indian muslims.. No point in dying for a foreign god, prophet and religion and foreign funded mullahs, I say...

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Sep 2013 17:58

Is any one tracking Muzaffarpur ?
21 dead in violence (as per undie TV) and the toll seems to be rising inspite of presence of Army.

What is the ground situation ?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 08 Sep 2013 18:04

Unconfirmed news of 12 Hindus dragged out of a bus and butchered by patriotic Indian Muslims and a gang rape in a Mosque.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Sep 2013 18:19

People returning from the mahapanchayat jumped into a canal to save themselves from AK firing from a mosque, vernacular reports (anyday more reliable than angrezi media) say;

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 08 Sep 2013 18:21

rohitvats wrote:
habal wrote:IIRC it is Jats vs RoP of western UP. If the army wasn't called in to quell the rage then it would well be game-over for RoP in western UP within a short passage of time. Anyways I predict a massive exodus of RoP from Western UP into cities like Delhi following this incident. They have taken on wrong crowd.
I second that.

The act of calling Maha-panchayat (which is done by khaps) itself shows the local people were cognizant of the gravity of the situation. And by all accounts, it was a very big maha-panchayat. And the people who attended this meeting were further attacked on their way back.

The fault line has been opened at the seam and this will not go unanswered. It seems the strategy was to allow ROPers to have their way for first couple of days and as the locals got their act together, IA was brought in to ensure no retribution.

Does anyone know ?

1. What is the actual death count ?

2. How many of us died vs the subhumans ?

3. Clearly the Army has been called to protect the sub-humans. When will the army refuse such orders ? Will it ever ?

4. Where is the BJP, the Sangha, the Hindu Mahasabha in all of this ? Are they all "Namard" ? or have they all become like the Huriyat, all talk, bark but no bite, as the leaders live in their lavish homes surrounded by luxury, financed by duping innocent Hindus in the name of "Hindutva"? Where are the swords that the RSS brandishes during their marches ? Are they only meant for the marches? Has anyone known RSS to take out marches with swords through the many and ever expanding muslim enclaves in India, particularly UP ?

5. Where is the Hindu leadership ? We can be a billion strong, but without organization and pride and honesty, we are merely a billion "ones", waiting like sitting ducks to be picked off by the subhumans, one by one, stoned to death, hacked to death.

The Naval incident crystalizes what is really at stake. And this incident is not in isolation. This is a 1000 year continuum. The muslim sub-humans come, they invade brutally, they violate our temples, they violate our women(which is what the two young men died defending in Naval), they convert our women, they defeat the leaders and force them to convert along with all their subjects. They kill, they mutilate, they enslave, they murder, they torture and yet, these subhuman muslims have the grievance, many grievances. Perhaps, their beef is that they didnt get to kill enough, that there are still some hindus around, just the presence of Hindus even at their most non-violent is a grievance for these sub humans. They consider it an affront that the hindu can walk instead of limp, has a farm, has a small business, has a home. In Islamic controlled lands, they are loathe to see a non-muslim having wealth or a business or a farm. They just want non-muslims to live in poverty and as dhimmis. No wonder in Saudi and other places, well-off Indians complain about being harassed because of their nice car. The dirty little secret of the Hindu presence in the Arab world, particularly the Gulf Arabs is that the rich Sheikhs who have any kind of leverage over educated and professional Hindus, consistently force these Hindu employees or business dependents to allow their wives to be used by these Sheikhs. I have been told this by multiple Hindu professionals who have lived in places like Saudi. No one covers this, just like no one covers the massive "girl" trafficking from India to Arabia and the literal slave trade that exists for these Indian women in these Arab countries, the countries on whose behalf even the liberals in the West are so impatient to strike Syria. At least Iran, Iraq and Syria as bad and Islamically bigotted as they are, under the Baath parties did not indulge in the worst form of Islamic bigotry and slave trafficking of Indian women that these Gulf Arabs indulge in.

I can go on and on and on. Needless to say, where is the Hindu leadership ? All are dripping with corruption and wallowing in it. India is no longer Dar-el-Harb, it is now Dar-el-sulh, where the Dhimmies live. But in actuality it is not too far from being a Dar-al_Islam. In fact, I think it already is Dar-al-Islam. If the Yadavs in North India had any sense of decency and consideration left for their heritage, they will all simply convert to Islam now and spare us the pretense of being Hindus, while stabbing Hindus in the back from within, time and time again.

member_24580 · Post by **member_24580** » 08 Sep 2013 18:53

The place is Muzaffarnagar in Western UP and not Muzaffarpur as in Bihar. Its about 20 miles from Darul Uloom Deoband. Lot of ROP here.

Lilo wrote:Is any one tracking Muzaffarpur ?
21 dead in violence (as per undie TV) and the toll seems to be rising inspite of presence of Army.

What is the ground situation ?

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 08 Sep 2013 19:06

Death toll is much higher in Muzaffarnagar. Jats returning from Panchayat were ambushed. Shots were fired from mosques. Around 250 panchayat participants are still missing. Police didn't take any action. It seems riots have now spread to rural areas, which didn't happen even in '47. This morning retaliation started, instantly army was called and media started covering it. Till that point it was a "secular" riot.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 08 Sep 2013 19:13

It looks like Hindus have comprehensively been outgunned and outmaneuvered by Jihad monkeys in Muzaffarnagar at least in the first phase. Hadjis have demonstrated better planning, better cohesion and much more ruthlessness than the Hindus. Plus a hadji has access to better weaponry and funding compared to the Hindu.

Tough times for Hindus are just starting.

Incidentally Muzaffarnagar lies on delhi Meerut Hardwar route (an extremely important route connecting Delhi to Garhwal region in Uttarakhand) . Which means now the islamists can block this route whenever they choose to do so.

Hindus have no choice but to raise their game. And they need a new template to fight islamists along with enhanced weaponry and funding.

Also the mindset has to change. Macaulization process has to be reversed.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 08 Sep 2013 19:17

If this has spread to the rural areas, then it will be hard for Army or the Police to control the retaliation. And tha Jats are not unorganized, the Khaps are baying for blood and they shall get it. RoPers will have to leave these places atleast for some time.

As I type this, media is slyly protecting RoP, names like Maha Panchayat and Khap are being dropped to make it look like the evil Khaps who murder young couples are behind this terrorizing of pissful RoPers.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Sep 2013 19:19

Sewak wrote:The place is Muzaffarnagar in Western UP and not Muzaffarpur as in Bihar. Its about 20 miles from Darul Uloom Deoband. Lot of ROP here.
Lilo wrote:Is any one tracking Muzaffarpur ?
21 dead in violence (as per undie TV) and the toll seems to be rising inspite of presence of Army.

What is the ground situation ?

Thanks for pointing it out .. do tend to confuse between two.

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 08 Sep 2013 19:23

^^^^^^^^^^^

Isnt that a good thing ? Not to be confused ? Say after me 10 times........Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur.....Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur......

I bet you, you dont confuse between Dubai and Abu Dhabi or Iraq and Afghanistan........well, maybe Iraq and Afghanistan.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 08 Sep 2013 19:25

rsangram wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^

Isnt that a good thing ? Not to be confused ? Say after me 10 times........Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur.....Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur......

I bet you, you dont confuse between Dubai and Abu Dhabi or Iraq and Afghanistan........well, maybe Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hain?? Is it relevant to pontificate on a typo OR genuine mistake? why this sarcasm when this serious discussion is going on..

Advait · Post by **Advait** » 08 Sep 2013 19:28

Guys, Hindus will not be able to retaliate as long as the Army and the aam jawan remains "loyal" to the sickular gov.

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 08 Sep 2013 19:29

Atri wrote:
rsangram wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^

Isnt that a good thing ? Not to be confused ? Say after me 10 times........Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur.....Muzaffarnagar is not Muzaffarpur......

I bet you, you dont confuse between Dubai and Abu Dhabi or Iraq and Afghanistan........well, maybe Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hain?? Is it relevant to pontificate on a typo OR genuine mistake? why this sarcasm when this serious discussion is going on..

It is a serious problem. When supposedly educated people dont know the geography of their own country, but are well versed with the geography of foreign countries. This "Macaulyte" thinking "seriously" contributes to our dhimmification.

I am not saying that we should not be world geography aware, of course, we should. But we should be first and foremost aware of our own geography. Both Muzaffarpur and Muzaffarnagar are not trivial places or insignificant villages in some backwater area and any aware Hindu should know the difference.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 08 Sep 2013 19:31

Chandragupta wrote:If this has spread to the rural areas, then it will be hard for Army or the Police to control the retaliation. And tha Jats are not unorganized, the Khaps are baying for blood and they shall get it. RoPers will have to leave these places atleast for some time.

As I type this, media is slyly protecting RoP, names like Maha Panchayat and Khap are being dropped to make it look like the evil Khaps who murder young couples are behind this terrorizing of pissful RoPers.

Chandragupta Ji, You are forgetting that Jihadis are backed by state. Hindus including Jats are not just fighting Jihadis but also the state apparatus apart from media. It is like fighting behind the enemy lines. As Hindus have we made any kind of preparation to fight in such a scenario. There is an old saying " Nobody ever rises to the occasion. They just default to their training and preparation levels."

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 08 Sep 2013 19:34

darshhan wrote:
Chandragupta Ji, You are forgetting that Jihadis are backed by state.

And, what does that make the "state" ?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 08 Sep 2013 19:37

rsangram wrote:
darshhan wrote:
Chandragupta Ji, You are forgetting that Jihadis are backed by state.

And, what does that make the "state" ?

The enemy. Foremost enemy.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Sep 2013 19:40

There is import lobby. So what would sheiks say about the secular riots - especially more secular part if sheiks are also more secular. What would then happen to CAD?

Sky will fall only if we become self sufficient in oil and natural gas by opening up our own oil fields only.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1500558
oil and jihardi on one side and tech and HnD on the other side is to be managed to 'international' meaning secular only (not afrikan or others in international) standards.

member_24580 · Post by **member_24580** » 08 Sep 2013 19:43

Just spoke to my folk in that area. They say unofficial toll could be ~400 as the bodies are in gang nahar still and have not been pulled out yet. These were the jat farmers coming back from the panchayat when they were ambushed. The administration has been strictly told to make sure the ROP is not at the receiving end at any cost of Hindus. Whenever there have been roits, they have been restricted to the towns and even they have not seen much. If they have happened in villages, its likely to simmer for a long time. These are small villages and everyone knows everyone else and to which community a certain person belongs. If someone is involved in these roits, that person is painted. Whether the administration takes any action or not against him is different matter.

arminius wrote:Death toll is much higher in Muzaffarnagar. Jats returning from Panchayat were ambushed. Shots were fired from mosques. Around 250 panchayat participants are still missing. Police didn't take any action. It seems riots have now spread to rural areas, which didn't happen even in '47. This morning retaliation started, instantly army was called and media started covering it. Till that point it was a "secular" riot.

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 08 Sep 2013 19:50

darshhan wrote:
rsangram wrote:

And, what does that make the "state" ?
The enemy. Foremost enemy.

Thank you.

That is the answer. One word, "Enemy".

I rest my case.

What percentage of Hindus, do you think, have this awareness ? I think you can count them on your fingers. You, me, maybe Atri and maybe 374 others around the country. No more than 400, to be sure.