Internal Security Watch

[Kakkaji]

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[Kakkaji]

No single caste in UP can take on the RoP on its own. Hindus will either have to unite under one umbrella, or be finished off one-by-one.

[SSridhar]

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[Hari Seldon]

The washington post, free of dilli establishment edicts, prints something that is at least slightly closer to the truth than the dilli media spin-version

Troops deployed to quell deadly communal clashes between Hindus, Muslims in north India

[Vayutuvan]

... The state is not enemy of Hindus. The state is amnesiac Hanumana, being controlled by curse of Brahma that is nehruvianism, who needs to be reminded of his own might. ...

A couple of years back I did say this to my adviser/mentor that I am the one "who fire-bombed a great city of gold housing the mind controlled vimAna" but ddi not know my own strength.

His reply? "no analogy is perfect". I figured my mentor - a ""single digit" year older than moi - was reticent to be my shree rAma. He wanted me to take the reins.

[member_23692]

The state is not enemy of Hindus. The state is amnesiac Hanumana, being controlled by curse of Brahma that is nehruvianism, who needs to be reminded of his own might. Enemy is still Islamism, EJism and Communism in alliance of Nehruvianism. Nehruvianism is not India. India will be India post three-headed demon that is Nehruvianism. Do not miss the symptom for the actual cause.

Let us have clarity of thought. You are articulating things which have multiple meaning and can confuse the likes of Lilo, which means 99% of the Hindus.

1) "This" state is absolutely the enemy.

2) When you talk about the state which is amnesiac, you are not talking about "this" state, you are talking about the Hindu nation concept. Obviously, you are right there. The Hindus have not disappeared yet, although they are well on that trajectory, and until they disappear, the potential of Hindu Rashtra will continue to exist. But everyday that passes and the Hindus continue to travel in the direction that they are travelling over the past 1000 years, the potential of the Hindu Rashtra becomes further and further away from reality and more and more difficult to realize.

3) There is no difference between what you call Nehruvianism and "this" Indian state. If you want to get rid of Nehruvianism, you have to get rid of "this" Indian state. Clearly, no one, least of all I, am talking about getting rid of the Hindu Rashtra, which you correctly pointed out is in hibernation right now. But "this" Indian state and what you are calling "The" State, are two different things and have nothing in common and cannot co-exist. In order for your conception of the state to come about, "this" Indian state has to necessarily "go".

4) "This" state is absolutely the enemy of the Hindus, because "this" Indian state was put in place by two forces who had conquered us Hindus, the Islamists and the West in 1947 with the help of Hindu traitors and mercenaries like Nehru and company, to continue to keep the Hindu suppressed for all times to come. And "this" state has achieved the very purpose it was meant to serve. The prime directive to "this" Indian state was to keep the Hindu down, morally, physically and spiritually and "this" Indian state has done that. It does that every single day and has done it every single day since 1947. In fact in an inefficient system of ours, where a babu's one hand cannot even find his other hand, the only thing that was worked with 100% efficiency and 100% results is the following of this prime directive, "keep the Hindu suppressed, keep him down, dhimmify him and ultimately destroy him". You think it is an accident that "this" state has been doing so efficient and so good a job of destroying the Hindus ? It was always meant to be so. Independence to India was granted in 1947 on the condition that "this" Indian state come into existence, whose sole purpose was to serve the interests of the West and the Islamists and to destroy the Hindus. Nehru and others were bribed into selling this idea to the rest of us Hindus as a panacea and as independence, which they did with great cunning and guile. The tragedy is that we Hindus are still sold on the idea of "this" Indian state and even someone as thoughtful as you cannot see clearly that "this" Indian state is nothing by a destroyer of Hindus and a highly efficient one at that. What is required is not "waking up" of "this" Indian state, but a destruction of "this" Indian state and a rebirth of a healthy Hindu Nation, which will then perform as per your expectations that you outlined above.

[Rony]

Notice how sickular Tehalka is already worried about the political fallout (read advantage to BJP) and seeks opinions ONLY from Muslims as if Hindu opinion dont count.The mufti says Ajit Singh's jat-muslim alliance is finished and he will lose badly along with BSP

Politics Behind The Muzaffarnagar Riots

Communal violence in Muzaffarnagar and the subsequent intense communal polarization in the Jat belt of Uttar Pradesh is all set to give a big blow to the electoral prospects of the Ajit Singh led Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) as the traditional Jat-Muslim alliance is now in tatters. Political analysts however argue, besides the RLD, the Bahujan Samaj Party also stands to lose if the communal polarization persists till the next 2014 parliamentary election.

“It was a well planned riot, facilitated by the district administration and engineered with the aim of ensuring polarization among the voters on communal lines. The RLD will lose heavily in the next elections as the Jats have finally shifted to the BJP. As far as the political situation here is concerned, Ajit Singh stands politically finished in Western UP”, said Mufti Zulfikar Ali, Sahar Mufti of Muzaffarnagar. “It remains doubtful whether the Samajwadi Party will benefit of the communal divide since the grievances of the common people have always been against the government and the ruling party”, he added.

Mufti maintained “the process of alienation of Jats from the RLD started in May 2011, after the death of the Bhartiya Kisan Union (BKU) leader Mahendra Singh Tikait. After his demise, his son Narendra Singh Tikait started the process of Hinduisation of the Bhartiya Kisan (BKU) Union which alienated the muslim farmers from the organization”. Adding “Ajit Singh joining the Congress led UPA was not seen as a good move by a sizeable section of the Jat community’’.

Also accusing the BSP of contributing into the riots and the communal polarization Mufti Zulfiukar said, “Kadir Rana, the BSP MP, from Muzaffarnagar, delivered highly provocative speech last Friday (6 September), while addressing a meeting of muslims at a local mosque, only to mobilise more muslims votes to his fold’’. He added “the district administration has also lodged a criminal case against the BSP MP under Section 153 of the IPC for spreading hatred between communities”

Arguing that the BSP stands to lose more than the RLD, he said “a big number of muslims in Western UP have already moved away from the RLD. They voted for the BSP in 2007, 2012 assembly polls and the 2009 parliamentary elections. The SP hopes that because it is the ruling party in UP, it can cause a dent in the muslim votes by incidents like these, which is very unfortunate”.

Meanwhile Deoband is crying that as a consequence of the riot, its students are getting their beards shaved forcefully and skull caps looted on trains passing through Muzaffarnagar

Darul Uloom is primarily upset over the spate of attacks on the students of the seminary in trains coming to Deoband, passing through Muzaffarnagar. The students’ beard were shaved off, their skull caps and other belongings were looted and destroyed in the 30 km stretch between Muzaffarnagar and Deoband.

So far, over 50 students of Darul Uloom have been assaulted, yet the state government remained a mute spectator. Such violence against the students of Darul Uloom has never taken place in the history of the Darul Uloom Deoband. Even during the communal frenzy in 1947, caused by the partition of the Indian sub continent, we didn’t have to face such atrocities”, said Ashraf Usmani, PRO, Darul Uloom Deoband

Prakash Javadekar on the issue of riots in Muzaffarnagar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ZrPz6CqBU

[Atri]

There is difference between government and state, rsangram ji. This government both at state level amd at center is enemy of Hindus and needs to go asap. State, that is Republic of India, is not enemy of Hindus. It is in fact state is being taken for a ride by this Nehruvian government. Under non-nehruvian government this state will do what is needful. Changing the state is matter of amending the constitution. Any other way will further take you away from making ROI as a Hindu Rashtra wih 1857 or 1920's like pogrom of Hindus by he state. Heed to the wise words of B-ji. This is a trep tp cull the buddig Hindu Vote-bank. It is budding. If it is firmly established then all this mulla mulayams will wear janeu above their Kurtas and keep a Shikha to woo Hindus.

I am not trying to fool anyone. My positions are very well known to all members here. Do not mistake your enemy. No personal comments please.

[Advait]

Seems like the story has been set by the mainstream media.
"Fake video of lynching of two Hindu men set off riots. Poor Muslims were the victims." "Rumors of Hindu girl being molested was the original spark". "BJP trying to cause communal tension etc etc"

The fact that two Hindu men were lynched by a Muslim mob will be ignored and this will be played up as a Jat vs Muslim thing, not a Hindu-Muslim riot.

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[Atri]

Please check out this dated discussion on this forum. This page is wealth of knowledge.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... start=2640

Learn from mistakes of our ancestors.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1072185

This exactly the region which initiated the Panipat campign and forced Indians to go prematurely against Punjab (modern day Pakistan, then the western Lahore and Peshawar province.

The demand for Pakistan arose from this region. Abdali was invited (perhaps so was Nadir) from this region. This is a move towards creation of Harit Pradesh. A mini internal partition. This is the ideological base of everything that is wrong with rest of Indian Muslims. Without wrestng Hindus complete control on this region, IA cannot take care of Paki Problem. Ganga is the true insurance of Sindhu and Sindhu is the muscle of Gangs only. Najib is harit pradesh. Shuja is shias in awadh and purvamchal and western Bihar. Alivardy is eastern Bihar and Bengal. Surajmal is Jat. Exactly as it was.

One of the important letters of Balaji Bajirao Peshwa to Dattaji Shinde (Scindia) of Gwalior.

rough translation

Shalivahan Samvatsara 1681, Vaishakh Shukla 6 (02-05-1759)

Humble salutations to ramaji gosavi (secretary of Shindes) from Balaji Bajiro Panta-Pradhaan.. Please inform me about your well-being more frequently. Few tasks to be attended to with special priority. Firstly, Remove Antaji Mankeshwar from Delhi's politics. Receive 50 lakh rupees from Shujauddaula (of Lucknow) and promise him post of Delhi's "Vajir". Extract 30 lakhs from Najibkhan of Rohilkhand and fix the Mughal emperor (his concerns over punjab campaign). Move base from Lahore. Dada (raghunathrao) had the mughal vajir in his pocket. It is not in interest to let Shuja (lucknow) become vajir, but that promise will make him pay up the sum required. If you receive money in 6 months and Vazir starts interfering in our affairs, lobby with Shuja and jat (Surajmal) and force him to comply. Do not fix Shuja alone. Maintain the distance which we have created between emperor (mughal) and Vazir and there is a chance, destroy Shuja only with help of Mughal Vazir. In case, Vazir refuses to leave Delhi, suspend this plan of action, and along with Shuja take control of our holy places (Kashi-Prayag etc). Continue with Shuja to conquer Bengal. After it is fixed, negotiate with Shuja for 50% control of Bengal in exchange of a hefty sum. Before you leave for east, fortify the Lahore Province and check the preparations. Remember that Raghoba had left Abdali's sardar alive (Abdus Samad khan). use his advice.

Camp at Delhi for this monsoon and proceed eastwards later. While in Delhi, arrest that corrupt Antaji Mankeshwar and send him to Pune at once. While proceeding eastwards, make sure that Meerut province is enlisted under the domain of government (emperor of Satara OR Pune executive). If Antaji cooperates and turns himself in, make his son a hazaari sardar (chief of 1000 horses). Remember that Najib is traitor and half Abdali (allusion towards Pathan lobby). Do not waste time negotiating with him. If possible unite Shuja and Surajmal against Najib and get at least 30 lakhs from the spoils for us. But ensure that Jat and Shuja do not become too friendly with each other. Hence keep the Mughal Vazir as friend.

Finally saying it again, keep Mughal vazir your friend as far as possible, above all others. Only if he starts reneging the contract (Mughal Maratha contract of protection), then replace him with Shuja in exchange of good profit. But take charge of Kashi, Mathura and Prayag in our hands at all costs. What more to write.. Dattaji knows about debts which have to be paid.

Keep in touch.

Few notes

1. The severe cash crunch is seen from this letter.
2. Dattaji was ordered to fix najib and extract 30 lakhs from him with help of Shuja. Dattaji decided to conquer Bengal with Najib and then finish him off in Bengal. Meanwhile extracting money from him promising him 50% of Bengal. This Najib however struck Shinde Preemptively and killed Dattaji at Buradi Ghat. (What Shinde did not know, was that Najib was already in contact with Abdali. The news that Maratha army is moving from Punjab to interiors was given to Abdali by Najib. Shinde was general of that army.) Peshwa had explicitly stated not to indulge in talks with Najib, but also asked him to extract money from najib. For Shinde, there was no difference in Najib and Shuja and since Najib was close (from west to east, Braj comes before Awadh) he decided to use najib instead. Shinde started eastward from Delhi in september 1759 and najib kept him in talks for 2-3 months. Meanwhile Abdali had already crossed Sindhu at attock in June 1759 had reached Haryana by December 1759. on January 6 1760, Najib killed Dattaji in sneak attack.

[habal]

the fact that all shops & establishments remained closed, to support the bandh shows that it is not just about one group but all Hindus are in it together. So chest-beating on that front may be unnecessary and people on the ground have a better sense of injustice, and how it affects them, than us. And then it is easy for such things to get started, but once it starts, it is very difficult to finish. Main problem with a state like UP is that the police there is very un-professional and there is not much penalty for misdemeanour. This has to change. They are confused whether to follow the mughal zabardasti or the British Royal Ulster constabulary model or a pro-people Bobby model, each on his own is going his own way in absence of any clear and serious mandate. It may be only Mayawati who had a keen sense to how to get this done, inspite of her many other failings, she also had some tremendous ideas for time-pass like statues of herself which kept everyone distracted. She now seems like a genius in front of the present crowd.

Instead of attacking RoP straight on, there should be civil disobedience and non-cooperation with the organs of the state machinary. When those become weak, the RoP will be better islanded and more suitable for manipulation.

[Prem]

Shaurya Chakra awardee demoted for being 'medically unfit'

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shaur ... t/1166412/

Shaurya Chakra awardee R K Singh, Assistant Commandant CRPF, stares at a bleak future — even the risk of losing his job. Two years ago Singh lost his left leg from below the knee while fighting a group of more than 100 Maoists in Lohardagga forests in Jharkhand, an area rigged by 192 IEDs that went off simultaneously. Singh, who was promoted as a deputy commandant soon after he returned from the Jharkhand operation in May 2011, received a letter this January that his promotion was being cancelled as he was "medically unfit". Singh was declared as an "S5" case, the lowest grade in medical parlance given to anyone who is found not to be "physically fit for service", by a board of doctors who examined him. "For one-and-half years he was posted as a DC in the same office he is posted now. After he got the letter in January he was reporting to his juniors in the same office. Who will want to risk their lives in counter-insurgency operations if this is the treatment meted out to people who risked their lives fighting for the country," said a close friend of Singh. Singh refused to speak citing service rules. He is presently posted at CRPF's group centre in Noida looking after administrative work. To explain his case, Singh sought an appointment from the then home secretary R K Singh but failed to get audience. He even put up his case before the then CRPF DG Pranay Sahay who agreed to get his case re-examined. Both R K Singh and Sahay have retired now. "When we come back from battlefields, who is there to look after our welfare. I know of a constable who lost both his eyes while defusing an IED. When he went for a posting he was told "kya karna hai posting ka, pay to mil rahi hai na (what is there in posting when you are getting the

[Lilo]

[member_20317]

What are the chances that the internal situation is some kind of message by the TSP, acting as Saudis Franchisee, to keep India humble in the international fora w.r.t. Syria.

India will be hit hard by the Oil troubles once the Umrikhans get involved overtly Syria. Our situation is quite unlike that of Russia's and China's. Strangely Indian establishment still says nothing and infact behave almost like Amerikas bitch. The elections are round the corner is still a better coincidence for the P-Secs and their various Team A and Team B. Everyone of the Indic enemy gains. Only the rank and file Indians lose, both in long term and short term and at the same time the rank and file get their attention diverted into either 'foreign economic contagion or wt_' or into something silly like 'Secularism vs. Communalism'. Economic issues get damned.

I admit I too see this as merely an outlier possibility but still.

[komal]

What are the chances that the internal situation is some kind of message by the TSP, acting as Saudis Franchisee, to keep India humble in the international fora w.r.t. Syria.

India will be hit hard by the Oil troubles once the Umrikhans get involved overtly Syria. Our situation is quite unlike that of Russia's and China's. Strangely Indian establishment still says nothing and infact behave almost like Amerikas bitch. The elections are round the corner is still a better coincidence for the P-Secs and their various Team A and Team B. Everyone of the Indic enemy gains. Only the rank and file Indians lose, both in long term and short term and at the same time the rank and file get their attention diverted into either 'foreign economic contagion or wt_' or into something silly like 'Secularism vs. Communalism'. Economic issues get damned.

I admit I too see this as merely an outlier possibility but still.

Alas, India doesn't any external pressure/influence to act humble in the international arena.

[member_23692]

There is difference between government and state, rsangram ji. This government both at state level amd at center is enemy of Hindus and needs to go asap. State, that is Republic of India, is not enemy of Hindus. It is in fact state is being taken for a ride by this Nehruvian government. Under non-nehruvian government this state will do what is needful. Changing the state is matter of amending the constitution. Any other way will further take you away from making ROI as a Hindu Rashtra wih 1857 or 1920's like pogrom of Hindus by he state. Heed to the wise words of B-ji. This is a trep tp cull the buddig Hindu Vote-bank. It is budding. If it is firmly established then all this mulla mulayams will wear janeu above their Kurtas and keep a Shikha to woo Hindus.

I am not trying to fool anyone. My positions are very well known to all members here. Do not mistake your enemy. No personal comments please.

With all due respect, "voluntary" consolidation of Hindus and their coming together as a vote bank is a pipe dream. It is a completely delusional fantasy that ignores the following facts:

1. Hindus do not have a history of consolidation, but one of massive fragmentation, more than anyone else

2. Even more significant than history, the trends at the moment are all towards more Hindu fragmentation, there is not even a hint of "me and my brother" coming together in today's Hindu land, leave aside Hindus from different castes, sects, regions, cultures and other diversity factors. NONE WHATSOEVER. It is clear for all to see. To read consolidation in the present trends and scenario is absolutely mind boggling.

3. You are totally ignoring the fact that most Hindus have become massively corrupted, first through their own proclivity towards corruption(I dont know why Hindus are more prone to corruption than others, but the fact is that they are) and second through the imposition of the Hindu enslavement system of government by the Islamists and the British in 1947, of which the Indian consititution is the main pillar. This Hindu Enslavement System was meant to finish the Hindus off, and one of the weapons it was supposed to and did actually use to enslave Hindus was by encouraging and enabling Hindus to be even more corrupt. It was like giving more alcohol to an alcoholic. Unless there is a radical reversal in this corruption, there will be no "voluntary" consolidation and until there is consolidation, there will be no reduction in this corruption. It is a chicken or an egg story.

4. Even among non-Hindus, historically, for in just about any human societies, "voluntary" consolidations are very rare, if not non-existent. The democratic process, by its very nature, at its best, still, only fragments, not consolidates. European Union is one clumsy attempt to do it, but look at the problems they are having, with more fragmentation happening within, such as Belguim possibly breaking up, Wales asking for independence, Eastern European members of the European Union further fragmenting(frankly, I have lost count of how many countries there are in Europe anymore). And unlike us Hindus, they have practically all the favorable factors required for voluntary consolidation, such as a strong economic base, truly educated populace, a great tradition of community building, a great tradition of as genuine a democracy as one can have, strong defense and security systems (albeit via Nato), relatively minimal corruption etc, a long tradition of strong and genuine leadership in all spheres, a somewhat enlightened civil society, and most importantly strong public institutions that by and large work. There are very few other examples in history of disparate people, even of the same religion, coming together as a nation through the type of democratic process that you are envisioning. That is the reason I call it a trap that you are falling into, a trap set by our enemies. They have raised the bar so high for the Hindus for what they would call "legitimate means" of consolidation, that no people can meet it and if we keep waiting and expecting and fantasizing about meeting this unreachable bar, we are genuinely caught in a trap and are being delusional. Not only has no one in history been able to do it, but we Hindus are even less positioned because of all I have mentioned above, to meet that bar today. In fact, can you give me some real and substantial examples in history where people have consolidated "voluntarily" through a system akin to what is allowed in the Indian State today ?

We should go the tried and tested way. We should consolidate by ANY and ALL MEANS necessary and not rule out any particular means, particular those which have historically worked. Of course no MEANS is risk free, I understand that. Ruling out ANY means is like branding certain parties and individuals untouchable. And, there is nothing morally wrong with going the "traditional, tried and tested" method of consolidation. In fact, it would be immoral to not try that method and live in a fantasy world, which will cause a whole civilization to disappear. That would be the greatest crime in history and a self inflicted crime at that.

And my posts are serious posts, no personal comments at all. But I do want to say this. In eastern cultures in general, because of the age of these civilizations, we have developed a certain cleverness, a certain ability to deliberately obfuscate, and a lot of time these qualities of cleverness and deliberate obfuscation are used to portray every inaction, every instance of physical laziness and every instance of intellectual laziness as "wise". No wonder, there is a great and an almost exact co-relation in Eastern cultures between ageing and "wisdom", because as a person ages and becomes less active and less prone for action, he still has to keep the appearance of his being a productive guy in the society and therefore he portrays himself as "wise" and still useful. The end result is that "inaction" becomes synonymous with "wise". We in India have taken this one step further, co-opted Chanakya(who was the utlimate action man) into somehow being a proponent of "inaction" and automatically denigrate any "pro-action" as "unwise", "rash" or "risky". We now do this automatically and it has become part of our character. It is an extremely self-destructive trait that we have developed.

[RomeshT]

With all due respect, "voluntary" consolidation of Hindus and their coming together as a vote bank is a pipe dream. It is a completely delusional fantasy that ignores the following facts:

I do agree that consolidation of Hindus appears to be a pipedream for some time to come.

However, the question then is why and how Muslims in India act in a consolidated manner when it comes to certain issues. They have shown this characteristic in voting and when the name of their religion is invoked for a political cause.

Invariably, in most of these cases mosques have played a leading role. This necessarily implies a major role for the leader of the mosque, the imam or the cleric.

Why do the Muslim clerics command such a following compared to leaders of other religions, including Hinduism?

[member_22872]

Hindus do not have a history of consolidation, but one of massive fragmentation, more than anyone else

Was the Mass movement of Independence struggle largely non-Hindu unification? and what about the unification of various janpads during Chandra Gupta's period, at that time, there were no muslims or Christians in India? Hindu unity is unity in diversity...not unity in uniformity one might be searching for perhaps.

[kittoo]

Akhiskesh yadav turned up in a skull cap while talking about the riots with media. Can it get any clearer than this as to whose side the government stands in this? This is not a secular state and government. Its clearly a Jihadi Islamic state and government. If the Hindus of UP, especially the Yadavas (how have we fallen from the days of Sri Krishna) who vote these Jihadi father-son, can't see this still, I dont know what else to say other than that they deserve it.

[member_23692]

Hindus do not have a history of consolidation, but one of massive fragmentation, more than anyone else

Was the Mass movement of Independence struggle largely non-Hindu unification? and what about the unification of various janpads during Chandra Gupta's period, at that time, there were no muslims or Christians in India? Hindu unity is unity in diversity...not unity in uniformity one might be searching for perhaps.

These are examples of tactical alliances or tactical coming together for a short period to tackle a specific challenge, not true consolidation. Independence struggle could have become a Hindu consolidation if people like Bose, Bhagat Singh, Azaad and others of the ilk would have been allowed to lead us. However, due to Western and Islamic perfidy, and our own internal corruption, the independence movement was hijacked by the so called "secularists" which is what the British wanted and these British and Islamic stooges allied with the British and assured them that the Islamic and Western interests will be safe even if the British left India and left India IN THE HANDS OF THESE STOOGES. That is why the British left without bloodshed. If they had left with "bloodshed", then there was a possibility of Hindu consolidation during the independence period. But it would never have happened within the framework of the current "democracy" and the current "Indian State" and its "constraints".

The other problem with short term tactical alliances is that they are too little, too late. And they are always reactive, as opposed to be pro-active and strategic. Any advance requires long and hard preparation, sometimes decades and centuries worth and this can only happen with pro-active and strategic thought, not with last minute panic mobilizations.

[Jarita]

^^ Should start taking privileges - quota, madrassa granta etc away with each riot incident. Carrot is not working so stick is needed

[Lilo]

Akhiskesh yadav turned up in a skull cap while talking about the riots with media. Can it get any clearer than this as to whose side the government stands in this? This is not a secular state and government. Its clearly a Jihadi Islamic state and government. If the Hindus of UP, especially the Yadavas (how have we fallen from the days of Sri Krishna) who vote these Jihadi father-son, can't see this still, I dont know what else to say other than that they deserve it.

[vishvak]

What is definition of minority? Jat are minority in UP now so why give any benefits at all for Muslims instead of Jat. In fact this shows true color of secularists who can't remember this much.

Minority per UN is how much %?
% of Jat is how much?
% of Muslims is how much?

[member_23692]

What is definition of minority? Jat are minority in UP now so why give any benefits at all for Muslims instead of Jat. In fact this shows true color of secularists who can't remember this much.

Minority per UN is how much %?
% of Jat is how much?
% of Muslims is how much?

Further highlights the need for immediate Hindu consolidation with any means.

Jats are a minority, certainly in that area, possibly less in number in all of UP, compared to Muslims. But Hindus are not in the minority. If we stay divided, we will be the minority, and we will be picked off one after another by people who have acquired special rights under the minority banner. The minority, which is really the majority, is killing off the real minorities, but acting like a minority themselves.

[Chandragupta]

Both Mulayam and Beta have been pictured amidst the pissful variety of their subjects. Me thinks they are sending clear signals to UP Hindus, will they listen?

[RamaY]

Is UP seeing this?

[Lilo]

Thank you.

That is the answer. One word, "Enemy".

I rest my case.

What percentage of Hindus, do you think, have this awareness ? I think you can count them on your fingers. You, me, maybe Atri and maybe 374 others around the country. No more than 400, to be sure.

This is too simplistic a reasoning. You are missing one key factor which is endemic to Hinduism and Hindutva which I won't utter here on open forum. But rest assured, we are in for a surprise and a bumpy ride. The state is not enemy of Hindus. The state is amnesiac Hanumana, being controlled by curse of Brahma that is nehruvianism, who needs to be reminded of his own might. Enemy is still Islamism, EJism and Communism in alliance of Nehruvianism. Nehruvianism is not India. India will be India post three-headed demon that is Nehruvianism. Do not miss the symptom for the actual cause. India has to be gotten rid of Nehruvianism asap.

There is difference between government and state, rsangram ji. This government both at state level amd at center is enemy of Hindus and needs to go asap. State, that is Republic of India, is not enemy of Hindus. It is in fact state is being taken for a ride by this Nehruvian government. Under non-nehruvian government this state will do what is needful. Changing the state is matter of amending the constitution. Any other way will further take you away from making ROI as a Hindu Rashtra wih 1857 or 1920's like pogrom of Hindus by he state. Heed to the wise words of B-ji. This is a trep tp cull the buddig Hindu Vote-bank. It is budding. If it is firmly established then all this mulla mulayams will wear janeu above their Kurtas and keep a Shikha to woo Hindus.

I am not trying to fool anyone. My positions are very well known to all members here. Do not mistake your enemy. No personal comments please.

Hanuman it is!!

Looks like our enemies know this fact better than our own do. No wonder this thread is rife with paki posers and their endless wailing and anecdotes pulled from musharaffed behinds regarding slavery etc about Hindu 's in particular. Pakis afterall have this mortal fear of Hanuman from Bharat implanted in them back from LBS times.

Makes sense because even a frail old man like LBS (who according to Pakis here should be dhoti shivering in a dark corner like their stereotypical yindoo) gave Paki's a 1-2 punch to remember that too with an Army composed of Jats Yadavs Mahars ,Chamars, Dravidians ,Aryans , Australoids, Mongoloids, Nagas, Gorkhas and yes the non-paki Indian muslims too(all the supposedly ununiteable castes according to Paki's here) - and true to Paki style they are still remembering the day they collectively crapped their salwars giving it fancy titles like "Defence of musharaff" day .

So Gents keep your heads cool and don't step on IEDs planted by (un)usual suspects . It is our systems which they dread and have wet dreams each day about deconstructing . Those systems are latent and are just running in autopilot mode under the current regime - once they come into their own under a real govt it will be the end of Paki's within and without. Until then focus on the real enemy- which is this corrupt and inept Sickular govt - nothing will stop us from pulling it down. Least of all fatalism from pakis wailing about inherent incapacity of "shivering cowering" yindoos to unite.

Remember the argument they are putting into our mouth is that yindoos are so weak so 10 yindoos = 1 paki.
Which is same as Pakis saying 1 paki = 10 yindoos. Don't get suckered.

Hindus do not have a history of consolidation, but one of massive fragmentation, more than anyone else

Was the Mass movement of Independence struggle largely non-Hindu unification? and what about the unification of various janpads during Chandra Gupta's period, at that time, there were no muslims or Christians in India? Hindu unity is unity in diversity...not unity in uniformity one might be searching for perhaps.

Well put Venu ji.

[Muppalla]

Both Mulayam and Beta have been pictured amidst the pissful variety of their subjects. Me thinks they are sending clear signals to UP Hindus, will they listen?

This has a wider implications in terms of politics but it will be insensitive to discuss here when so many are dying. Tehelka and other outfits are worried but the bigger question is why did SP acted this way? Let the dust settledown and we all can analyze in election threads of gufa forum.

[Chandragupta]

Both Mulayam and Beta have been pictured amidst the pissful variety of their subjects. Me thinks they are sending clear signals to UP Hindus, will they listen?

This has a wider implications in terms of politics but it will be insensitive to discuss here when so many are dying. Tehelka and other outfits are worried but the bigger question is why did SP acted this way? Let the dust settledown and we all can analyze in election threads of gufa forum.

Saar, I don't know what you believe these implications to be but to me, it looks like a classic case of the political class 'adapting' to the changed scenarios in the ground. I believe the new census numbers may hold the key. It is clear that when Muslims reach a critical mass, which may be as less as 20% (which may have already happened), the political class will convert to Islam, covertly if not overtly. What we are now seeing is worse because it is overt and it makes me very, very afraid to think what these Father-Son traitorous duo know that we don't.

Things may be worse than we think they are. If Hindus have to survive, 2014 will be a watershed moment.

[member_22872]

It appears as if Hindu unification is largely short lived, but we survived as a culture for 800 years under ruthless Islamic rulers. Then for 200 years under Christian rules. Under these foreign rulers what resulted is division of Hindus under caste, division of country, plunder and large scale destruction. And we remained even bigger rashtra before these foreign rulers. Why is that we did not fragment into different nation states like ME countries if Hindus weren't united even before the coming of Muslim and Christian rulers? it should have if Hindus were fragmented people.

Now what kept alive the concept of Bharata rashtra if not for the commonality of Hindus inspite of them being 'divided'? do you think India would have stood even for few decades without the latent Hindu conceptional unity? We are the only oldest continuing civilization to this day. Why do you that was possible? if you look to our west, TSP divided into two within decades of coming to being and is still under going division in spite of their Islamic 'unity' and 'identity'. I think Hindu unity is more than what meets the eye. Unity is when it matters. Other times, we are like independent organisms.

[Jarita]

^^^ We has lost so much territory. We were in Afganistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and on the eastern borders indic civilization taken over by China and western hegemony

[member_23365]

I like make few points as per my knowledge based on talking to few friends in Delhi who are from the region.
Mahapanchyat was organised to pressurise adminstration to act against the killers of 2 Jat boys.
Jats gathered on call of panchayat to express condolence not to fight thats why they were not armed.
It was an unprovoked attack on people travelling in tractor trolley. Peacful man were on road in village who stopped the tractor while women and kids were on roofs with bricks and stones.Whole village against 22 unarmed men including kids and women.
Army was deployed in Jat dominated area, first place being Barut, to stop jat consolidation.Pissfuls have full freedom to exercise their pissful rights while Jats were arrested. It is being told to me that any Jat who is out between 16-40 is being arrested without any question being asked
Jat officers are either suspended or transferred. Poilce weapon are deposited and they were given lattis.
There are Jaichands in community itself who are trying further there political interest by being secular.
No other community (tyagi, bharmins,yadavs or Rajputs)are supporting Jats. Jats are fighting alone except Gujjars(only young men come to fight) but community elders are keeping distance.
Licensed firearms of Jats have been confiscated by police, Jats dont have illegal firearms, few they have are desi kattas while pissfuls have AK47
There is a lot of mistrust and situation is worse than 1947, in 47 rural areas were not affected.
There has been retaliation...not much though.
Adminstration is gone from favouring pissful to working agianst Jats.
Modes pls delete post if this is agianst forum guidelines. These are my views based on telephonic conversation.

[Atri]

Thanks Atamjeet Singh ji for the information. It is indeed worrying.

[Lilo]

Paid media reporting on riots - a flow chart


Another on the role of media

[Rony]

I like make few points as per my knowledge based on talking to few friends in Delhi who are from the region.
Mahapanchyat was organised to pressurise adminstration to act against the killers of 2 Jat boys.
Jats gathered on call of panchayat to express condolence not to fight thats why they were not armed.
It was an unprovoked attack on people travelling in tractor trolley. Peacful man were on road in village who stopped the tractor while women and kids were on roofs with bricks and stones.Whole village against 22 unarmed men including kids and women.
Army was deployed in Jat dominated area, first place being Barut, to stop jat consolidation.Pissfuls have full freedom to exercise their pissful rights while Jats were arrested. It is being told to me that any Jat who is out between 16-40 is being arrested without any question being asked
Jat officers are either suspended or transferred. Poilce weapon are deposited and they were given lattis.
There are Jaichands in community itself who are trying further there political interest by being secular.
No other community (tyagi, bharmins,yadavs or Rajputs)are supporting Jats. Jats are fighting alone except Gujjars(only young men come to fight) but community elders are keeping distance.
Licensed firearms of Jats have been confiscated by police, Jats dont have illegal firearms, few they have are desi kattas while pissfuls have AK47
There is a lot of mistrust and situation is worse than 1947, in 47 rural areas were not affected.
There has been retaliation...not much though.
Adminstration is gone from favouring pissful to working agianst Jats.
Modes pls delete post if this is agianst forum guidelines. These are my views based on telephonic conversation.

The first and foremost thing to do is to treat this and represent it NOT as a Jat-Muslim thing but a Hindu-Muslim thing.I never seen anyone talking about Jat-Sunni, Jat-Ashraf riot. Then why call it Jat-Muslim riot instead of Hindu-Muslim riot which is what it is. Need to change the narrative. UP Hindus need to forget caste for a moment and consider it as an attack on their religion not on their caste.This is where the issue lies with respect to Hindu consolidation not just in UP but everywhere else in the country as well.

[Advait]

atamjeetsinghji, what you have mentioned is very worrying if true, (and I am sure it is). Like I was saying from the beginning, the media and the psecs will present this as a Jat-Muslim thing. So message to other Hindu communities is stay out of this, we are sparing you.

But nobody I talk to believes in this anymore. Youth and even elders are well aware of all this, even though they are far away from western UP. But somehow all this awareness does not translate into action or meaningful results when it comes to elections.

[kittoo]

I like make few points as per my knowledge based on talking to few friends in Delhi who are from the region.
Mahapanchyat was organised to pressurise adminstration to act against the killers of 2 Jat boys.
Jats gathered on call of panchayat to express condolence not to fight thats why they were not armed.
It was an unprovoked attack on people travelling in tractor trolley. Peacful man were on road in village who stopped the tractor while women and kids were on roofs with bricks and stones.Whole village against 22 unarmed men including kids and women.
Army was deployed in Jat dominated area, first place being Barut, to stop jat consolidation.Pissfuls have full freedom to exercise their pissful rights while Jats were arrested. It is being told to me that any Jat who is out between 16-40 is being arrested without any question being asked
Jat officers are either suspended or transferred. Poilce weapon are deposited and they were given lattis.
There are Jaichands in community itself who are trying further there political interest by being secular.
No other community (tyagi, bharmins,yadavs or Rajputs)are supporting Jats. Jats are fighting alone except Gujjars(only young men come to fight) but community elders are keeping distance.
Licensed firearms of Jats have been confiscated by police, Jats dont have illegal firearms, few they have are desi kattas while pissfuls have AK47
There is a lot of mistrust and situation is worse than 1947, in 47 rural areas were not affected.
There has been retaliation...not much though.
Adminstration is gone from favouring pissful to working agianst Jats.
Modes pls delete post if this is agianst forum guidelines. These are my views based on telephonic conversation.

The first and foremost thing to do is to treat this and represent it NOT as a Jat-Muslim thing but a Hindu-Muslim thing.I never seen anyone talking about Jat-Sunni, Jat-Ashraf riot. Then why call it Jat-Muslim riot instead of Hindu-Muslim riot which is what it is. Need to change the narrative. UP Hindus need to forget caste for a moment and consider it as an attack on their religion not on their caste.This is where the issue lies with respect to Hindu consolidation.

I really hope UP Hindus rise to the occasion this time. Their Hindu (supposedly) CM is wearing a skull-cap while these riots and Muslims are butchering other Hindus. What more will they need to understand that unity is foremost now. So disheartening to read that no other community is standing with Jats. Vish ke saath Amrit nikalta hai, and while there doesnt seem to be any Amrit till now, so I hope there will be some from this.

atamjeetsinghji, what you have mentioned is very worrying if true, (and I am sure it is). Like I was saying from the beginning, the media and the psecs will present this as a Jat-Muslim thing. So message to other Hindu communities is stay out of this, we are sparing you.

But nobody I talk to believes in this anymore. Youth and even elders are well aware of all this, even though they are far away from western UP. But somehow all this awareness does not translate into action or meaningful results when it comes to elections.

This is also something that I wonder upon. I keep seeing these posts in media where people will claim after a riot ki 'sabha thi jisme 80,000 Hindu aaye'. So what? What happened after that? Did they do anything? Even if they dont do anything like RoP followers (going on rampage, killing a few), though thats the only language tour government seems to understand, cant they at least prepare for the next time? Or vote en masse for BJP? Forge a Hindu alliance or anything? Where is the action?

Edit: I understand there might be reasons for this lack of action (or at lease the feeling that there is inaction). I just wonder what these reasons might be.

[Advait]

The elites and Muslims are doing a classic divide and rule strategy. Jats being targeted as reported by atamjeetsinghji. Once they are beaten down, it will be some other community. Many Jats will not feel like coming to aid of that other Hindu community because they will remember this event.
But how are Hindus supposed to help each other when the entire state apparatus is against them. Only solution is to be prepared during peace time. Arm yourselves so they don't get a chance to do a massive first attack. Don't see any other realistic solution.
Yes it is expensive. But this is an investment that is better than gold.

Also, Delhi gang-rape verdict is coming up, excellent opportunity for mainstream media to divert attention. Plus, Modi bashing is always popular.

[kumarn]

IBN-7 is reporting. they are showing visuals of a madarsa and showing interviews of displaced ropers who have been forced to take shelter in it.

[svinayak]

The elites and Muslims are doing a classic divide and rule strategy. Jats being targeted as reported by atamjeetsinghji. Once they are beaten down, it will be some other community. Many Jats will not feel like coming to aid of that other Hindu community because they will remember this event.
But how are Hindus supposed to help each other when the entire state apparatus is against them. Only solution is to be prepared during peace time. Arm yourselves so they don't get a chance to do a massive first attack. Don't see any other realistic solution.
Yes it is expensive. But this is an investment that is better than gold.

Also, Delhi gang-rape verdict is coming up, excellent opportunity for mainstream media to divert attention. Plus, Modi bashing is always popular.

This is a balance strategy
THe powerful Jats and the community is being balanced by the other communities - in this case muslims and their secuar supporters.

Check if each region is being balanced like this and the net result is that we see there is no Hindu unity.
This is a clever social engineering and the people who may have designed it may have thought that nobody will figure this out