Internal Security Watch

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 17 Sep 2013 18:24

Boss it is the return of the Mughal rule. We will go back to covering & protecting our women in our land. The city dwelling bimbos will not understand this, the tension will be felt in the rural & tier 3 town downwards.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Sep 2013 18:30

Surasena ji,
Rise of Islamism (and its attendant outlook towards kaffir women) is again a cause but like p*rn is just a cause - not "The" cause to say "Oooh, that's a bingo"

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 17 Sep 2013 19:23

Not the only cause but a cause (Islam will do no need for euphemisms like "Islamism") unlike your p*rn theory, there is no evidence that p*rn causes rape. Other causes may include a skewed sex ratio.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 17 Sep 2013 19:33

A year of brutalising of women in Muzaffarnagar

Muzaffarnagar has witnessed a series of horrible sexual crimes against women, including minor girls, in the last one year. The incident in 27th August 2013, where a girl was being harassed, and which led to death of three men was only the latest in this sordid saga...

What was happening in Muzaffarpur had a very clear pattern as can been seen from the details of each sordid act. . Had the Samajwadi Party government been alive to the situation, the unfortunate riots that took place in September 2013, and which cost so many lives, may not happened.

http://storify.com/amishra77/a-year-of- ... affarnagar

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Sep 2013 20:16

Surasena wrote:Not the only cause but a cause (Islam will do no need for euphemisms like "Islamism") unlike your p*rn theory, there is no evidence that p*rn causes rape. Other causes may include a skewed sex ratio.

Surasena ji,
In your desire to put down "My"

p*orn theory, you sound not too different to the liberals now.Well done.

Also pliss to not put words in my mouth - i didnt say rape - I was speaking about influence of p*orn in making a bunch of juveniles collectively raping another (it called a gangrape by juveniles). And no need for your euphemism s like Islam when Islamism will do just fine.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Sep 2013 20:29

Please watch Aaj Taak, police officers on hidden camera, taking Azam Khan's name "let it happen", calls from Lucknow letting free the murderers of two Hindu boys. Officers transferred for searching premises where weapons were stored.

This needs to be given maximum publicity.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 17 Sep 2013 20:53

These guys are mocking the law. I can hear them say.."chal rape kar de issey..athare tak kuch nahi hota".

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Sep 2013 21:00

EXCLUSIVE: मुजफ्फरनगर पर सबसे बड़ा खुलासा, जानें क्यों और कैसे भड़का दंगाl

Posting in full, never know when they are forced to remove these

ऑपरेशन दंगा. मुजफ्फरनगर दंगों पर आज तक का सबसे बड़ा खुलासा. सबसे बड़ा स्टिंग ऑपरेशन. सुलगते मुजफ्फरनगर का सबसे बड़ा और सबसे गहरा राज. आज तक पर दंगों की हर परत की पोल मुलायम सिंह और अखिलेश के अफसरों ने खोली.
सियासत के स्याह होते रंगों में एक जलता हुआ शहर, जिसकी आंच 15 दिन बाद लखनऊ पहुंची तो अखिलेश मुजफ्फरनगर पहुंचे और 17 दिन बाद आंच दिल्ली दरबार पहुंची तो प्रधानमंत्री इस शहर पहुंचे. शहर की फिजा बता रही है कि दंगे की आंच में अब राजनीतिक रोटियां सेकी जा रही हैं.

इस दंगे में अब तक चालीस से ज्यादा मौतें हुई और चालीस हजार से ज्यादा लोग बेघर हो गये. पहली बार यहां लोग अपने ही गांव और अपने ही कस्बों में रिफ्यूजी हो गये. कई सवाल हैं जिनके जवाब आज तक ने खोजने की कोशिश की. क्या इन दंगों को सरकार रोक सकती थी? क्या बेगुनाहों को मरने से बचाया जा सकता था? क्या पुलिस के हाथ बंधे थे? क्या दंगाइयों पर गोली चालने से डर गई थी पुलिस?

जानसठ तहसील का खुलासा
मुजफ्फरनगर का कवाल गांव, जानसठ तहसील में आता है. यही वो गांव है जहां से 27 अगस्त को दंगे दो समुदाए के बीच नफरत की चिंगारी भड़की और फिर उसे नेता हवा देते चले गए. ये वही कवाल गांव है जहां पिछले 66 साल से हिंदू और मुसलमान भाई-चारे और मुहब्बत के साथ रहते चले आ रहे थे. लेकिन अब वहां की धरती नफरत के लहू से लाल हो गई है. आज तक ने जानसठ तहसील के सर्किट हाउस में स्टिंग ऑपरेशन किया, फिर जो खुलासा हुआ, जानकर आप भी दंग रह जाएंगे.

मुजफ्फरनगर की जानसठ तहसील के कवाल गांव में 27 अगस्त को एक लड़की से छेड़छाड़ को लेकर दोनों समुदाय ऐसे भिड़े कि घंटेभर में मोहल्ले में तीन लाशें गिर गईं और अमन चैन तार-तार हो गया.

इलाके के एसडीएम आर.सी त्रिपाठी और सर्किल अफसर जे.आर जोशी दोनों कर्फ्यू में डूबे शहर का गश्त करके लौटे थे. 27 अगस्त को जे.आर जोशी ने दंगा करने वाले 8 लोगों को मौके से हिरासत में लिया था और थाने लाए थे. जोशी का कहना है ये दंगाई दोहरी हत्याओं के मुख्य संदिग्ध थे, लेकिन उस रात ऊपर से दबाव आया और दंगाइयों को थाने से छोड़ना पड़ा.

आज तक- एसडीएम साहब क्या (दंगाइयों के घरों की) तलाशी हुई थी, या तलाशी अवॉइड की गई?
सीओ- नहीं... नहीं.. बिल्कुल पूरी तलाशी हुई...
एसडीएम- तलाशी हुई, पकड़े गए.... अभियुक्त पकड़े गए...
सीओ- ऑफ द रिकॉर्ड पूरी बात हम बताएं, उस दिन जैसे ही घटना (हत्याएं) हुईं उसके बाद तलाशी हुई, उस दिन हमने 12 आदमी] जितने वहां आस-पास के जो भी थे, एक-एक आदमी को पकड़ा.... कोई अवैध असलाह नहीं मिला ये अलग बात है....

आज तक- एक्टचुअल मुलज़िम (पकड़े थे आपने)...
सीओ- बिल्कुल उन्हीं में थे.... और उसके बावजूद उनको ना ले जाकर उनकी एफआईआर इस ढंग से करा दी.... जिसकी वजह से सब (छूट गए).... इसके बाद SSP, DM का ट्रांसफर हो गया.... उन्होंने अपनी मौजूदगी में सर्च कराया था.

इन दोनों अधिकारियों का कहना था, मुलज़िम पकड़े जाने के राजनीतिक दबाव में फर्जी एफआईआर कराई गई और असली मुलज़िम छोड़ दिए गए.

आज तक- अच्छा...पकड़ लिया था (असली मुलज़िमों को)
सीओ- पकड़ लिया था... एफआईआर में नाम देखा तो मात्र एक आदमी का नाम देखा. हमारे सामने मजबूरी थी...
एसडीएम- Tainted एफआईआर हुई थी....
आज तक- फिर छोड़ दिया....
सीओ- उन्होंने कह दिया ठीक है कि (इनके नाम) नहीं है एफआईआर में, उनको बैठाने की डिटेन करने की जरूरत क्या है.
आज तक- तो जो 7-8 आदमी पकड़े गए थे....यानी लाए गए थे थाने वहां से....
सीओ- नहीं...थाने लाए थे...बातचीत की उसने....उसमें उन्होंने कहा कि हम वहां नहीं थे...हम फलानी जगह थे....लेकिन थे सब वहीं (घटना स्थल पर)
आज तक- बाद में सबको छोड़ दिया

3-3 लाशें गांव में बिछा दी गईं और मौके से संदिग्ध पकड़े गए, लेकिन दबाव में छोड़ दिया गया, सच तो ये है कि कुछ घरों की तलाशी लेने पर एसएसपी मंजीत सैनी और डीएम सुरेंद्र सिंह का तबादला कर दिया. बाद में नए डीएम ने आकर जांच की दिशा, कहीं और मोड़ दी.

आज तक- ये घटना (हत्याओं की) कब हुई थी, संदिग्धों को कितने बजे गिरफ्तार किया गया
सीओ- घटना 2 बजे की थी...
आज तक- नहीं...गिरफ्तारी कितने बजे की थी
सीओ- चार...साढ़े चार बजे के आसपास...जैसे ही Deadbody वहां से उठाई गईं थीं.
आज तक- और उन संदिग्धों को छोड़ा कैसे गया....
सीओ- लेट नाइट छोड़ दिया गया था. (ऊपर से) आदेश आ गए थे....
आज तक- डीएम के ट्रांसफर के बाद...

कवाल में कानून का मज़ाक उड़ाया गया. तलाशी लेने पर डीएम का ट्रांसफर किया गया, फर्जी एफआईआर लिखी गई, पकड़े गए आरोपी छोड़े गए, और बाद मे दंगा भड़क गया. अब आगे की दास्तान-

आज तक- जितने Accused को आपने पकड़ा था, क्या वो वास्तव में (सदिंग्ध) थे
सीओ- देखो... ऐसा है कि... कैसे कह दें... देखने वाले जब eyewitness कह रहे हैं कि मौके पर थे....
एसडीएम- they were prime suspects (वो मुख्य संदिग्ध थे)
आज तक- prime suspects....वही major mistake हुई और वो मैजेस दूसरी community में चला गया.
एसडीएम- ये तो मतलब दुर्भाग्य है पूरे देश का, इस सिस्टम का, जैसे की कोई घटना होती है, ये ***** नेता तुरंत आकर बैठ जाते हैं.....
इन अधिकारियों का मानना था कि दोहरी हत्याओं के मामले में कुछ घरों की तलाशी ली गई जिसपर कुछ रसूखदार नेता डीएम और एसएसपी से नाराज़ हो गए और दोनों का तबादला कर दिया गया. इस कार्रवाई से, इलाके में सांप्रदायिक तनाव भड़का. अगर डीएम और एसएसपी का उस रात तबादला ना होता तो अपराध की घटना सांप्रदायिक दंगे में ना तब्दील होती. लेकिन इससे बड़ा खुलासा किया फुगाना थाने के सैकेंड अफसर ने, जिनके सामने अल्पसंख्यकों के गांव के गांव राख कर दिए गए.

अन्य अपडेट लगातार हासिल करने के लिए हमें फेसबुक पर ज्वॉइन करें. आप दिल्ली आजतक को भी फॉलो कर सकते हैं.

और भी... http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sting-op ... 42223.html

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Sep 2013 21:17

7 सितंबर की शाम महापंचायत में शामिल कुछ किसानों पर हमले के बाद अगली सुबह शाहपुर और बुढ़ाना तहसीलों में दंगे ने एक नया रंग लिया था. 7 सितंबर की प्रतिक्रिया में यहां गांव-गांव में हिंसा का ऐसा नंगा नाच हुआ जो इन कस्बों में 1947 के दंगों में भी देखने को नहीं मिला. 8 सिंतबर की हिंसा का सबसे ज़्यादा कहर फुगाना इलाके में मचा.
आज तक- आपके यहां कितनी casuality हैं.
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- 16 हैं करीब...नहीं आपके क्षेत्र में कितनी casuality हैं....हमारे क्षेत्र में 16 हैं.....
आज तक- तो क्या....पुलिस फोर्स एकदम नहीं पहुंच पायी मौके पर.....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- पुलिस मौके पर पहुंच गई थी, लेकिन पुलिस थोड़ी सी थी
आज तक- कम थी पुलिस....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- हां....
आज तक- जब दंगा शुरु हुआ (उस वक्त वहां पर आपके कितने लोग थे)
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- उस समय जनपथ की क्या स्थिति थी, हम नहीं जानते, जब हमारे थाना क्षेत्र में काम शुरू हुआ तो दूसरे थाना क्षेत्र में भी काम शुरू हो गया. अब हमें ये नहीं पता कि दूसरे थाना क्षेत्र में या जनपद में क्या हो रहा है. जब अधिकारियों को इस बात का पता चला, तो अधिकारियों अपनी योजना, अपनी व्यवस्था करने में लगे. हमारा उनसे संपर्कि नहीं हो पाया. अब संपर्क करने के लिए कारण है, कि एक हाथ से गोली चला रहे हैं और दूसरे हाथ से मोबाइल (फोन) कर रहे है, तो मुसीबत की स्थिति है...
आज तक- बिल्कुल...
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- देखो practical है सब practical है.....
आज तक- कितनी देर तक (आपका अधिकारियों) से संपर्क नहीं हुआ होगा....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- अरे भई...हम घंटे भर पर जूझते रहे....फंसे रहे....हमारी जान लगी रही. मोबाइल निकालते...ok करते और फिर जेब में रखते...ऐसी स्थिति थी हमारी.
आज तक- जब आप लोग (मौके पर) लगे हुए थे, तो असलाह की कमी थी
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- देखो असलाह...तो मैं बता रहा हूं, असलाह तो कुछ है नहीं...... असलाह जो हमारे पास है, असलाह जो हमारे हैं ही नहीं....और जो हैं वो चलता ही नहीं...... भाई जो चल गया तो बढ़िया हमारी जान ऊपर वाले की कृपा है. तो चल भाई वो भी मन हो...नहीं चला तो नहीं....मैं आपको वो facts बता रहा हूं जो कोई नहीं बताएगा. आज तक- मेन रोल मेरे ख्याल से आज़म xxxxx का है, कि उन्होंने pressurise किया.
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- बिल्कुल ठीक है...बिल्किल ठीक है.....
आज तक- आप कुछ नहीं करेंगे...जो हो रहा है होने दो....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- हां...यहीं हुआ...
आज तक- political है ये....रोटियां सेंक रहे हैं...
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- सब रोटियां सेंक रहे हैं....
ज़ाहिर तौर पर सैकेंड अफसर जानते हैं कि दंगो में किसका क्या किरदार रहा है, लेकिन इस अफसर से भी बड़ा खुलासा पुलिस और प्रशासन के कुछ और अधिकारियों ने किया. जिस पर आप दंग रह जाएंगे.

आज तक- आपके यहां कितनी casuality हैं..
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- 16 हैं करीब...नहीं आपके क्षेत्र में कितनी casuality हैं....हमारे क्षेत्र में 16 हैं.....
आज तक- तो क्या....पुलिस फोर्स एकदम नहीं पहुंच पायी मौके पर.....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- पुलिस मौके पर पहुंच गई थी, लेकिन पुलिस थोड़ी सी थी
आज तक- कम थी पुलिस....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- हां....
आज तक- जब दंगा शुरु हुआ (उस वक्त वहां पर आपके कितने लोग थे)
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- उस समय जनपथ की क्या स्थिति थी, हम नहीं जानते, जब हमारे थाना क्षेत्र में काम शुरु हुआ तो दूसरे थाना क्षेत्र में भी काम शुरु हो गया. अब हमें ये नहीं पता कि दूसरे थाना क्षेत्र में या जनपद में क्या हो रहा है. जब अधिकारियों को इस बात का पता चला, तो अधिकारियों अपनी योजना, अपनी व्यवस्था करने में लगे. हमारा उनसे संपर्कि नहीं हो पाया. अब संपर्क करने के लिए कारण है, कि एक हाथ से गोली चला रहे हैं और दूसरे हाथ से मोबाइल (फोन) कर रहे है, तो मुसीबत की स्थिति है...
आज तक- बिल्कुल...
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- देखो practical है सब practical है.....
आज तक- कितनी देर तक (आपका अधिकारियों) से संपर्क नहीं हुआ होगा....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- अरे भई...हम घंटे भर पर जूझते रहे....फंसे रहे....हमारी जान लगी रही. मोबाइल निकालते...ok करते और फिर जेब में रखते...ऐसी स्थिति थी हमारी.
आज तक- जब आप लोग (मौके पर) लगे हुए थे, तो असलाह की कमी थी
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- देखो असलाह...तो मैं बता रहा हूं, असलाह तो कुछ है नहीं...... असलाह जो हमारे पास है, असलाह जो हमारे हैं ही नहीं....और जो हैं वो चलता ही नहीं...... भाई जो चल गया तो बढ़िया हमारी जान ऊपर वाले की कृपा है. तो चल भाई वो भी मन हो...नहीं चला तो नहीं....मैं आपको वो facts बता रहा हूं जो कोई नहीं बताएगा.
आज तक- मेन रोल मेरे ख्याल से आज़म xxxxx का है, कि उन्होंने pressurise किया.
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- बिल्कुल ठीक है...बिल्किल ठीक है.....
आज तक- आप कुछ नहीं करेंगे...जो हो रहा है होने दो....
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- हां...यहीं हुआ...
आज तक- political है ये....रोटियां सेंक रहे हैं...
आर एस भगौर, सैकेंड अफसर- सब रोटियां सेंक रहे हैं....

मुजफ्फरनगर का मीरापुर थाना क्षेत्र, सच्चाई आपको डरा देगी, सहमा देगी, इस थाने के हल्के में दंगाइयों ने मौत का जो खेल खेला, वो वाकई ख़ौफनाक भी है और दर्दनाक भी.

27 अगस्त से शुरू हुए दंगे 8 सितंबर तक मुजफ्फरनगर को दहलाते रहे, लेकिन प्रशासन से लेकर सरकार तक, दंगाइयों पर काबू पाने में नाकाम रही. जाहिर तौर पर दंगों की आड़ में नेता अपना अपना फायदा देख रहे थे. मीरापुर थाने के एसएचओ अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम के हल्के में भी दंगाइयों ने सड़कों पर मासूमों के मौत के घाट उतारा. और हैरतअंगेज़ बात ये है कि दंगाइयों पर कार्रवाई करने से पुलिस कतराती रही. गौतम मानते हैं कि डीएम एसपी को एक साथ हटाने की वजह से जिला प्रशासन नेतृत्वविहीन हो गया था. गौतम का कहना है कि समाजवादी पार्टी के कुछ नेता डीएम एसपी को कई दिनों से एसपी को हटाने का दबाव बना रहे थे, और उन्हें आखिरकार मौका मिल गया.

अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- पहले वाले डीएम और एसएसपी हमारे थे, दोनों मिलकर (घटना) को मैनेज कर सकते थे...आपने (सरकार) रात में चंद घंटों के अंदर...घटना के चंद घंटों के अंदर....उन्हें हटाया.
आज तक- उसकी इंस्पेक्टर साहब क्या वजह थी, उनकी क्या dealing सही नहीं थी...डीएम की.....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- डीएम की dealing बहुत बढ़िया था, दो साल कैसे निकाल जाते यहां. डेढ़ साल...दो साल...कैसे निकल गया यहां....अगर dealing बढ़िया ना होती. भाई इसी शासन नेउसे पोस्ट किया था डीएम. अगर इसकी dealing से लोग संतुष्ट ना होते तो डेढ़ पौने दो साल कैसे कट जाते.
आज तक- उस रात क्या वजह रही.....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- सब political stunt...
आज तक- मतलब उनको हटाना ग़लत फैसला था....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- भाई ये लोग उनको (DM/SSP) हटाने के लिए एक महीने से प्रयासरत थे....जब कांवड़ चल रही थी तबसे...political लोग समाजवादी पार्टी के, दोनों अधिकारियों को हटवाने के लिए लगे हुए थे....
आज तक- क्यों....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- भाई उनको लग रहा होगा....कि हमारे काम नहीं कर रहे है....right or wrong. यही कारण है और क्या है......

दरअसल 27 अगस्त को कवाल गांव की घटना छेड़छाड़ से शुरू हुई और दो गुटों के बीच झगड़े में तब्दील हो गई. ये सच है कि इस घटना में हत्या हुई, लेकिन ये भी सच है कि हत्या होने के बावजूद घटना ने कोई सांप्रदायिक रंग नहीं लिया. दिक्कत तब शुरु हुई जब डीएम और एसएसपी ने घर घर तलाशी लेनी शुरू की.

आज तक- सुनने में ये आया है कि डीएम साहब ने जो जो दंगाई थे....बवाली जो बवाल मचा रहे थे पकड़ लिए थे...गांव घेर लिया था पूरा..
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- पूरा गांव घेरके...पुलिस सर्च कराई थी एसएसपी और डीएम ने....पकड़ लिए थे रात में.....
आज तक- ये तो अच्छा काम था.....
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- और उसमें क्या कर सकते हैं ये हमारे से ऊपर की बात है.....
आज तक- वोट बैंक की राजनीति है, बहुत बुरी है...
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- हां...
आज तक- दो दिन...चार दिन रुक करके हटाते तो शांत हो जाता मामला...
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- हां...ये नौबत नहीं आती....

लेकिन दंगों की आड़ में ट्रांसफर, पोस्टिंग और सस्पेंशन का ही खेल नहीं हो रहा है, असली खेल तो वोट का था, और इसपर भी खुलासा किया उन लोगों ने जो मौका-ए-वारदात पर मौजूद थे.

अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- पहले वाले डीएम और एसएसपी हमारे थे, दोनों मिलकर (घटना) को मैनेज कर सकते थे...आपने (सरकार) रात में चंद घंटों के अंदर...घटना के चंद घंटों के अंदर....उन्हें हटाया.
आज तक- उसकी इंस्पेक्टर साहब क्या वजह थी, उनकी क्या dealing सही नहीं थी...डीएम की.....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- डीएम की dealing बहुत बढ़िया था, दो साल कैसे निकाल जाते यहां. डेढ़ साल...दो साल...कैसे निकल गया यहां....अगर dealing बढ़िया ना होती. भाई इसी शासन नेउसे पोस्ट किया था डीएम. अगर इसकी dealing से लोग संतुष्ट ना होते तो डेढ़ पौने दो साल कैसे कट जाते.
आज तक- उस रात क्या वजह रही.....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- सब political stunt...
आज तक- मतलब उनको हटाना ग़लत फैसला था....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- भाई ये लोग उनको (DM/SSP) हटाने के लिए एक महीने से प्रयासरत थे....जब कांवड़ चल रही थी तबसे...political लोग समाजवादी पार्टी के, दोनों अधिकारियों को हटवाने के लिए लगे हुए थे....
आज तक- क्यों....
अनिरुद्ध कुमार गौतम, एसएचओ- भाई उनको लग रहा होगा....कि हमारे काम नहीं कर रहे है....right or wrong. यही कारण है और क्या है......
आज तक- सुनने में ये आया है कि डीएम साहब ने जो जो दंगाई थे....बवाली जो बवाल मचा रहे थे पकड़ लिए थे...गांव घेर लिया था पूरा.....
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- पूरा गांव घेरके...पुलिस सर्च कराई थी एसएसपी और डीएम ने....पकड़ लिए थे रात में.....
आज तक- ये तो अच्छा काम था.....
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- और उसमें क्या कर सकते हैं ये हमारे से ऊपर की बात है.....
आज तक- वोट बैंक की राजनीति है, बहुत बुरी है...
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- हां...
आज तक- दो दिन...चार दिन रुक करके हटाते तो शांत हो जाता मामला...
समरपाल सिंह, इंस्पेक्टर, भोपा- हां...ये नौबत नहीं आती....

आज तक का खुफिया कैमरा जहां-जहां पहुंचा, अखिलेश के अफसरों ने हमें भी चौंका दिया. और वही सच्चाई अब हम देश के सामने रख रहे हैं. बात मुजफ्फरनगर की बुढ़ाना कोतवाली की. यहां के इंस्पेक्टर ऋषिपाल सिंह ने दंगों का सच बताया तो एसपी क्राइम कल्पना सक्सेना ने भी दंगों पर सियासी खोल को उघाड़ डाला.

ये हैं मुजफ्फरनगर के बुढ़ाना कोतवाली के इंस्पेक्टर ऋषिपाल सिंह. दंगे के सभी दिनों में ये इलाके में रात और दिन गश्त करते रहे. ज़ाहिर तौर पर इनपर भी हर तरह का राजनीतिक दबाव रहा.

किसको पकड़ना है, और किसको छोड़ना है, शायद ये फैसला यूपी में कोतवाल नहीं करते. इंस्पेक्टर ऋषिपाल का मानना है कि पहली बार शहर की जगह दंगे देहात में ज़्यादा फैले. अगर पर्याप्त संख्या में पुलिस फोर्स देहात के थानों में मुहैया कराई गई होती, जो कमज़ोर तबके के इतने लोग मारे ना गए होते. देर से पुलिस बल भेजे जाने के कारण गांव में हिंसा बिना रोक टोक चलती रही.

आज तक- (8 सितंबर को दंगा) सुबह 7 बजे से शुरु हो गया था
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- सुबह 7 बजे से कई गांव में...
आज तक- अच्छा...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- वही तो मैंने बताया...
आज तक- फोर्स पहुंची नहीं थी...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- 3-4 जगह...एक गांव में पहुंचकर control करा...
आज तक- अच्छा...सुबह सुबह फोर्स होगी नहीं थाने में....
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- नहीं..थाने में...
आज तक- देर तक गश्त में थे...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- नहीं थाने में मेरे पास 20 सिपाही है, 3-4 दारोगा हैं, तो मैं कोशिश करूंगा कि पहले एक गांव में हिंसा हो गई तो मैं 4 सिपाही से हिंसा नहीं रुकवाउंगा.
मैं सोचता हूं कि पूरी फोर्स को लेकर हिंसा रोक दूं...लेकिन जबतक यहां हिंसा रोकता, तबतक दूसरी जगह हिंसा शुरु हो गई. दूसरी जगह पहुंते...तीसरी जगह हो गई.
आज तक- फोर्स कम थी...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- फोर्स इतनी नहीं थी कि हर गांव में लगा दी जाती...
मुजफ्फरनगर की पुलिस अधीक्षक यानी एसपी क्राइम कल्पना सक्सेना के हाथों में दंगाग्रस्त कई थानों की कमान थी. कल्पना सक्सेना का मानना है कि दंगों पर कहीं ना कहीं सियासी रंग चढ़ा है.

कल्पना सक्सेना, एसपी क्राइम- देखिए कई तरीके की बातें हुईं, बहुत सी बाते हैं....इस समय हम लोग बहुत प्रेशर में हैं....वर्क बहुत सारा है करने को...फुर्सत से बात करेंगे किसी दिन....
आज तक- लेकिन मैडम उसका जवाब दीजिए हमें आप. मतलब मर्डर को ऐसा सांप्रदायिक रंग क्यों दे दिया गया.
कल्पना सक्सेना, एसपी क्राइम- देखिए मैं क्या कहूं....बहुत गहराई से बताऊं...इसमें बहुत कुछ political है, और यहां ऐसा चल रहा है कि मुस्लिम को कुछ लग रहा है. हिंदुओं को लग रहा है कि मुस्लिम appeasement (तुष्टीकरण) बहुत हो रहा है.....

आज तक के ऑपरेशन दंगा में वो सच सामने आया, जिससे मुजफ्फरनगर सुलग उठा था. हिंसा भले ही सुनियोजित ना हो, लेकिन हिंसा भड़काने में साज़िश और सियासत का घालमेल ज़रूर था.

आज तक- (8 सितंबर को दंगा) सुबह 7 बजे से शुरू हो गया था
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- सुबह 7 बजे से कई गांव में...
आज तक- अच्छा...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- वही तो मैंने बताया...
आज तक- फोर्स पहुंची नहीं थी...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- 3-4 जगह...एक गांव में पहुंचकर control करा...
आज तक- अच्छा...सुबह सुबह फोर्स होगी नहीं थाने में....
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- नहीं..थाने में...
आज तक- देर तक गश्त में थे...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- नहीं थाने में मेरे पास 20 सिपाही है, 3-4 दारोगा हैं, तो मैं कोशिश करूंगा कि पहले एक गांव में हिंसा हो गई तो मैं 4 सिपाही से हिंसा नहीं रुकवाउंगा.
मैं सोचता हूं कि पूरी फोर्स को लेकर हिंसा रोक दूं...लेकिन जबतक यहां हिंसा रोकता, तबतक दूसरी जगह हिंसा शुरु हो गई. दूसरी जगह पहुंते...तीसरी जगह हो गई.
आज तक- फोर्स कम थी...
ऋषिपाल, इंस्पेक्टर, बुढ़ाना- फोर्स इतनी नहीं थी कि हर गांव में लगा दी जाती...

और भी... http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sting-op ... 42223.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Sep 2013 21:50

here is the google translate output of the hindi post by Sanku. not all of us can read so much hindi fluently

Mahapanchayat attack on the evening of September 7 in the morning after some farmers rioting in Shahpur and tehsils Budhana had a new color . In response to September 7 the village - the village orgy of violence that occurred in these towns did not even see in the riots of 1947 . In most of the violence of September 8 wreak havoc Fugana area .
Today - here you will find many casuality .
RS Bgur , second officer - 16 casuality close ... not how many are in your area .... There are 16 in our area .....
Today - not so perfect .... police force could reach the spot .....
RS Bgur , second officer - police reached the scene , but police had little
Today - at the police ....
RS Bgur , second officer - yes ....
Until today - when the riot started ( how many people were there at the time )
RS Bgur , second officer - Janpath what the situation was at that time , we do not know when we began the work station area, then began working in the station area . Now we do not even know what's happening in the station area or district . When the authorities found out about it , then your plan officials , engaged in their system . We could not Snprki them . Now, due to contacts that are firing with one hand and second hand mobile phones ( are) , then the status of trouble ...
Until today - exactly ...
RS Bgur , second officer - see all practical is practical .....
Until today - how long (your officers) would not touch ....
RS Bgur , second officer - battling over an hour .... Hey ... we 're stranded .... Our lives are engaged . Mobile to retrieve ... ok then ... that was the situation in our pocket .
Until today - when you guys ( on the spot ) were engaged , it was the lack of Aslah
RS Bgur , second officer - Watch Aslah ... So I'm telling you , there is nothing Aslah ...... Aslah that we have, which are not only Aslah .... and what does not as ...... The brother who finds great grace over our lives . Brother he did not even mind having to be so ... so .... I 'm telling you the facts that no one will tell. Today - Men Role of xxxxx I -Azam , that he did pressurise .
RS Bgur , second officer - all ok ... ok ..... Bilkil
Until today - which is something you will not ... let ...
RS Bgur , second officer - so ... it was here ...
Until today - political , they 're baking bread .... ...
RS Bgur , second officer - all are baking bread ....
Second officer who apparently know what the character is in riots , but the big reveal of the officers and officials of the police and the administration . Which you will be stunned .

Today - How casuality You are here ..
RS Bgur , second officer - 16 casuality close ... not how many are in your area .... There are 16 in our area .....
Today - not so perfect .... police force could reach the spot .....
RS Bgur , second officer - police reached the scene , but police had little
Today - at the police ....
RS Bgur , second officer - yes ....
Until today - when the riot started ( how many people were there at the time )
RS Bgur , second officer - Janpath what the situation was at that time , we do not know when we started working in the station area, work has started in the station area . Now we do not even know what's happening in the station area or district . When the authorities found out about it , then your plan officials , engaged in their system . We could not Snprki them . Now, due to contacts that are firing with one hand and second hand mobile phones ( are) , then the status of trouble ...
Until today - exactly ...
RS Bgur , second officer - see all practical is practical .....
Until today - how long (your officers) would not touch ....
RS Bgur , second officer - battling over an hour .... Hey ... we 're stranded .... Our lives are engaged . Mobile to retrieve ... ok then ... that was the situation in our pocket .
Until today - when you guys ( on the spot ) were engaged , it was the lack of Aslah
RS Bgur , second officer - Watch Aslah ... So I'm telling you , there is nothing Aslah ...... Aslah that we have, which are not only Aslah .... and what does not as ...... The brother who finds great grace over our lives . Brother he did not even mind having to be so ... so .... I 'm telling you the facts that no one will tell.
Today - Men Role of xxxxx I -Azam , that he did pressurise .
RS Bgur , second officer - all ok ... ok ..... Bilkil
Until today - which is something you will not ... let ...
RS Bgur , second officer - so ... it was here ...
Until today - political , they 're baking bread .... ...
RS Bgur , second officer - all are baking bread ....

Mirapur station area of Muzaffarnagar , the truth will scare you , nervous shall , in light of the station which played to death by rioters , really terrible, just like it is even more painful.

The riots started from August 27 to September 8 Dhlate Muzaffarnagar , but the administration by the Government , failed to overcome the rioters . Of course, in the guise of riots were looking to exploit its own leader . Aniruddha Kumar Gautam, station house officer of Mirapur in light of the rioters on the streets killing of innocents . It's mind-boggling action against rioters and the police were wary . DM SP Gautam believe that with the removal of the district administration was acephalous . Gautam says the leader of the Socialist Party of removing pressure DM SP SP were made several days , and finally got the opportunity .

Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - the first ones were our DM and SSP , both together ( event ) could manage ... You (the government) within a few hours at night ... Within hours of the event .... removed them .
Until today - it was because he inspector , he did not do ... DM of dealing .....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - dealing DM was wonderful , with two years to go out . How has left a half years ... two years ... not great .... if you are dealing . DM brothers had the same rule by him . If people are not satisfied with its dealing Twenty-two years and a half to fall off .
Today - the reason being that night .....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - all political stunt ...
Today - the decision was meant to delete them ....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - those who are brothers (DM / SSP) was engaged to remove a month .... since when there was Kanvd ... political party of the people , both officers engaged to de- were ....
Until today - why ....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - brother .... he will feel that we are not working .... right or wrong. That is what ......

Indeed tampering incident began on August 27 Kwal village and turned into a fight between two groups . It's true that the murder occurred in the incident , but it is also true that despite the murder incident took a communal color . The trouble started when the DM and SSP began to search the house .

Today - Rumor has it that the DM .... Bwali the mob boss who was chaos ... The village had surrounded the entire area ..
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Gerke entire village had filed a police ... Search for SSP and DM were holding him at night .... .....
Until today - it was so good .....
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - what it can and it 's up to us .....
Today - vote bank politics , very bad ...
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Ya ...
Today - two days ... four days staying calm is the case then delete ...
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Yes ... That is not the point ....

But under the guise of riots transfer , posting and is not the only game suspension , was the real game of the vote , and this too revealing those who had the chance - e - were present at the event .

Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - the first ones were our DM and SSP , both together ( event ) could manage ... You (the government) within a few hours at night ... Within hours of the event .... removed them .
Until today - it was because he inspector , he did not do ... DM of dealing .....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - dealing DM was wonderful , with two years to go out . How has left a half years ... two years ... not great .... if you are dealing . DM brothers had the same rule by him . If people are not satisfied with its dealing Twenty-two years and a half to fall off .
Today - the reason being that night .....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - all political stunt ...
Today - the decision was meant to delete them ....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - those who are brothers (DM / SSP) was engaged to remove a month .... since when there was Kanvd ... political party of the people , both officers engaged to de- were ....
Until today - why ....
Anirudh Kumar Gautam , SHO - brother .... he will feel that we are not working .... right or wrong. That is what ......
Today - Rumor has it that the DM .... Bwali the mob boss who was chaos ... The village had surrounded the entire area .....
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Gerke entire village had filed a police ... Search for SSP and DM were holding him at night .... .....
Until today - it was so good .....
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - what it can and it 's up to us .....
Today - vote bank politics , very bad ...
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Ya ...
Today - two days ... four days staying calm is the case then delete ...
Smrpal Singh , Inspector , bhopal - Yes ... That is not the point ....

Today 's intelligence camera - wherever they came , we were startled by Akhilesh officers . We are now facing the country are keeping the same truth . Budhana Muzaffarnagar talk to the police station . The Inspector ऋsipal Crime fiction Saxena , SP Singh riots tell the truth then know that the riots had political shell .

These Budhana Muzaffarnagar ऋsipal Singh , Inspector of police station . On all days of rioting in the area while patrolling night and day . These are , of course, every kind of political pressure .

Who 's the catch, and whom to leave , maybe they do not decide Inspector in UP . ऋsipal Inspector believes that replacing the first city in the country spanning riots . Adequate police force in the country 's police stations have been provided , it would have killed so many of the weaker sections . Sent a police force in the village due to the continued violence freely .

Today - ( September 8 riot ) had begun to 7 am
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - many village at 7 in the morning ...
Today - Good ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - That's what I said ...
Today - Force had not reached ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - 3-4 place ... get control back in the village ...
Today - Well ... would not force the police station early in the morning ....
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - No. .. station ...
Today - in the long patrols were ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - 20 soldier I have no police station , 3-4 jailer , so I 'll try that when I first became a village violence from police violence Rukwaunga 4 .
I think that the whole force should be no violence ... but until the violence stops , until the second place, the violence started. Phunte ... Third place went to another place .
Today - Force was short ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - Force had not been provided in every village ...
Muzaffarnagar Superintendent of Police Crime fiction ie Dngagrst in the hands of Saxena had command of several stations . Sax imagine that political violence has stained somewhere .

Kalpana Saxena , SP Crime - Look there could have been many ways , there are so many things .... work .... At the moment we are in a lot of pressure is very leisurely talk to ... someday .. ..
Until today - but Sir Give us the answer . Why were given a communal color means to murder .
Kalpana Saxena , SP Crime - See what I say ... It's a lot to tell .... very deeply political , and even some Muslims feel that it is running . Hindus feel that Muslim appeasement ( appeasement ) is very .....

Riot came true in today 's operation , thereby raising Muzaffarnagar was ignited . Even though there is no systematic violence , but violence was definitely intriguing and politics mix .

Today - ( September 8 riot ) was begun at 7 am
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - many village at 7 in the morning ...
Today - Good ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - That's what I said ...
Today - Force had not reached ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - 3-4 place ... get control back in the village ...
Today - Well ... would not force the police station early in the morning ....
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - No. .. station ...
Today - in the long patrols were ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - 20 soldier I have no police station , 3-4 jailer , so I 'll try that when I first became a village violence from police violence Rukwaunga 4 .
I think that the whole force should be no violence ... but until the violence stops , until the second place, the violence started. Phunte ... Third place went to another place .
Today - Force was short ...
ऋsipal , Inspector , Budhana - Force had not been provided in every village ...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Sep 2013 22:43

Who was in-charge of go slow?

A senior police official incharge of Meenakshi Chowk admits on tape that if the right orders were given in Muzaffarnagar, innocent lives would not have been lost. In an absolutely shocking disclosure, the officer admits that 18 tractors were found in a river with 50 to 60 people in one tractor and the state Government turned a blind eye.

The english report is some what of a lie. In the very begining the police office clearly says that 18 tractors were waiting near the canal (this is about the massacre on jolly canal) -- he says whether its PM or any body goes and listens to only one side, and never the other side. (We know which side is that)

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Sep 2013 22:51

Riot For Votes: After the first murders in Muzaffarnagar, all suspects were freed on 'orders from above'

On August 27, when a boy was killed for harassing a teen in Kawal village and then his alleged killers were lynched too, police caught all the suspects. Then, all eight were let off.

But why?

Headlines Today uncovered the truth in Jansath tehsil, where Kawal village is located. What is Operation Riot For Votes?

We accosted Sub-Divisional Magistrate (SDM) R.C. Tripathi and Circle Officer J.R. Joshi. Both had just returned from touring riot-affected areas. On the night of August 27, it was Joshi who detained eight people for disturbing communal harmony and alleged double murders. Curiously, he was forced to free them.

It ensured the release of the culprits! Worse, the administration was stopped from carrying out thorough house-to-house search. And when the DM and the SSP persisted, they were shunted out. Pliable officers were brought in and the new DM gave an entirely different direction to the probe.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Sep 2013 22:58

So the new DM is directly responsible for the gruesome riots and his political backers are indirectly responsible.

Who is the new DM?

BTW Muzzafarnagar attack on Jats looks like Godhra train burning redux.

Deep inside there is an INC hand.

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Sep 2013 22:59

this is pretty much how the Congress created Bhindranwale, who incidentally too was a Jat. His speeches initially were same issues of favoritism and bias by state govt machinary. He made same sounds of grievances as Hindu Jats today make in UP.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Sep 2013 23:10

Going by Aajtak reporting ...
Old DM was Surendra Singh shunted out on 28-8-13 for investigating the Hindu boys lynching .
New DM brought in is Kaushak Raj Sharma who didn't let the investigation to proceed against the villagers who lynched the boys.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Sep 2013 23:18

The deteriorating law & order situation along with attacks on farmers going to mahaapanchaayata and then coming from with assault weapons is somehow avoided by sting too.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 17 Sep 2013 23:51

It is amply clear riots were instigated for political benefits. But it is hard to believe that SP would so naive, because INC and BSP will surely gain massively. Please delete this post if not pertinent to this thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2013 01:54

NIA stymied by US reluctance to share data about terrorist under their privacy rules.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 23530.aspx

.....
The only way out, they say, lies in the China example, wherein Beijing does not allow internet companies to operate out of its territory unless their servers are based there. But that is a long-term solution.

Till then, investigators fear they will continue to be outsmarted by the tech-savvy terrorists. As one of them said, "We are far behind in the game. We were still using landlines when the terrorists moved online. By the time we woke up to that, they'd switched to superior techniques like voice-over internet protocol (VOIP), which is difficult to monitor."

Basically there is no accountability for the IAS which can stall and prevent any upgrades while appearing to be economical minded.

Kannan · Post by **Kannan** » 18 Sep 2013 04:31

personal attack, deleted by moderator

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 18 Sep 2013 09:52

Sanku wrote:Who was in-charge of go slow?

A senior police official incharge of Meenakshi Chowk admits on tape that if the right orders were given in Muzaffarnagar, innocent lives would not have been lost. In an absolutely shocking disclosure, the officer admits that 18 tractors were found in a river with 50 to 60 people in one tractor and the state Government turned a blind eye.
The english report is some what of a lie. In the very begining the police office clearly says that 18 tractors were waiting near the canal (this is about the massacre on jolly canal) -- he says whether its PM or any body goes and listens to only one side, and never the other side. (We know which side is that)

What is the unofficial death toll amongst Jats?

The sanitized, secular version peddled by the media is 47 people with the impression that the majority of the victims were seculars.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Sep 2013 10:55

Hatemongers free, cops punished?

After the sting operation raised serious ~~questions~~ realities, sources say that the Uttar Pradesh government has transferred several policemen. But what about those politicians who openly incited the mob? Is the Samajwadi Party government blind to the offences of their own leaders?

Exposed: Deliberate attempt to go slow

Exposes exactly how the ugly and bloody plot of Muzaffarnagar was played out, how deliberately the UP Police went slow. It was found that let alone controlling the situation, the police did not even have orders to act. Here's a report.

Various clips of police officers speaking the truth

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Sep 2013 10:56

Prem Kumar wrote: What is the unofficial death toll amongst Jats?

The sanitized, secular version peddled by the media is 47 people with the impression that the majority of the victims were seculars.

I am not really sure, there is massive suppression of news, the ground reports are still confused. It should be clear in a week or two, as people get back together.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Sep 2013 11:05

Sanjeev Bhatt forged evidence to malign Gujarat govt: SIT

“Sanjeev Bhatt has claimed that he had alerted Chief Minister’s office of impending riots…through fax messeges, but during our investigation it was found that many of those messages were forged,” said advocate R S Jamuar, arguing before Metropolitan Magistrate B J Ganatra here.

Jamuar, contending that Bhatt was not a reliable witness, submitted some e-mail correspondence between Bhatt and Rahul Sharma, another IPS officer. In one of these, Bhatt sought information from Sharma on the location of former Minister of State for Home Haren Pandya on the evening of February 27, 2002.

“Bhatt, who has alleged that Modi instructed the police officials not to take any action against rioters, claims that Pandya attended that meeting (at Modi’s official residence) and he (Bhatt) was also present. If he was present in that meeting, then how come he was seeking information of Pandya’s location at that time,” Jamuar said.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Sep 2013 11:12

The gathering storm

India’s collapse is picking pace.
By Gautam Sen (9 September 2013)

London: The many-sided collapse of the Indian Union is gathering momentum. The principal cause is the determination of the Nehru-Gandhi clan to remain in power at all cost, even if it means a truncated and battered legacy, i.e., a broken backed and shrunken country. The other immediate underlying cause of India’s unparalleled predicament is the non-existence of an ultimate national executive authority in the shape of a prime minister. This is the reason that I had argued early in the United Progressive Alliance’s rule that it would have been infinitely preferable to have the Congress president as prime minister. It would have prevented the devastating consequences of the prevalent disconnect between power and responsibility.

There is nothing personal about the Congress opposition to Narendra Modi. It has everything to do with his threat to their resumption of political power because he virtually assures their political oblivion. Such an outcome is highly likely regardless of whether the Bharatiya Janata Party itself manages to garner enough votes to lead a coalition government. Of course, powerful elements within the BJP national leadership, especially its Delhi cabal, would prefer to remain in Opposition rather than cede primacy to a rank outsider, possibly a person regarded as too humble in origin as well. The collateral damage to India of failing to completely oust the Congress does not apparently perturb them sufficiently. It may be inferred some are scheming discreetly with Congress manipulators to undermine Modi, both evidently sharing disdain for someone regarded as a trespasser. However, they rightly fear he may sweep away the entire dreadful Delhi tweedledum tweedledee detritus that has brought the country to its knees.

A Third Front coalition, which Narendra Modi’s intervention will surely bring to power, at the very least, even if the BJP fails to emerge dominant, poses an almost equally serious quandary for the incumbent UPA. Such a third front will not be able to resist the temptation to deliver a coup de grace to the remnants of a bloodied Congress cadaver. That would indeed be the politically astute move to secure its own longevity at the Centre and in the states. Besides, some leaders of a possible third front coalition harbour deep animus at the abuse of power by the Congress to keep them in line, in order to retain its stranglehold.

Many also have indignant memories of the barely concealed contempt of the Congress retinue surrounding 10 Janpath for their social origins and lack of cosmopolitan deportment. It may even be surmised from past experience that despite the manifest venality of some of these political leaders they may be less prone to surrender India to foreign interests. They mostly do not possess the wherewithal to flee to Swiss retreats if the worst comes to the worst and will be obliged to fight their Indian corner. Without a shadow of doubt even Mayawati and Mulayam will be a vast improvement on the pathetic, puppet Manmohan Singh.

The shocking disarray into which Sonia Gandhi and her dismal crew have cast India needs little rehearsing to illustrate the interconnectedness of outwardly discrete damaging events. The destruction of the Indian economy is the result of massive corruption, prime ministerial inaction, amounting to personal culpability, which ended in policy paralysis. Shockingly, 10 Janpath and its disgraceful family retainers have mobilized barefaced policy gurus from India and abroad to endorse policies that led to the dreadful situation that has befallen India.

The growth versus equity debate is an absurdity of which India’s half-educated news anchors and editorialists have no clue, but incessantly ventilate like possessed parrots. For a long time, it has been widely agreed that trade-offs do exist and have to be managed with a measure of caution and circumspection. It does not mean unrestricted government borrowing to fund politically-motivated misspending that adds nothing to productivity and leaks fraudulently in the bargain.

The symptomatic run on the rupee has made it impossible to conceal the utter ruin of the Indian economy. Predictably, suspect opportunistic remedies are being touted with alacrity, especially encouragement to short-term capital flows that will only deepen structural disjunctures of the Indian economy. Yet, these panicky measures are being hailed for their alleged sagacity, without regard to their troubling implications for long-term Indian economic autonomy. They essentially amount to what a banana republic does when international events impact harshly on a country overwhelmed by its own domestic incompetence. The repudiation of solemn promises on sourcing and infrastructure development in retail FDI is but one example of the treasonous lack of concern for future generations, displayed by a prime minister without either a vestige of credibility or moral integrity left. The foisting of a former IMF chief economist on India looks suspiciously like what may become their own petard!

The growing evidence of political paralysis and seizure of Indian decision-making is the backdrop to the evident belligerence of its neighbours. These are the circumstances that encourage probing by hostile neighbours to advance goals against an enemy. And this is exactly what China and Pakistan are doing in cahoots with each other. In this context, it is highly unlikely that the essentially hard line Nawaz Sharif is seriously at odds with the historical goals of Pakistan’s military establishment vis-a-vis India though he may be seeking to exercise greater personal control over it.

Differences with the military do not mean serious disagreements over policy towards India that enjoys the support of most Pakistanis, i.e., detaching Kashmir from it and being an effective competitor with it, however forbidding an aspiration. Precipitating tensions through serial ceasefire violations and increased infiltration to cause mayhem are an initial phase before more serious confrontation takes place. Such friction between two nuclear powers, one of them highly unstable, which the world already views with grave disquiet, is the apt setting for inviting international intervention to change the status quo.

China is also possibly getting ready to cauterize India politically by offering a border settlement that India’s supine political and bureaucratic leadership will find irresistible. This prospect might explain the latter’s duplicitous insouciance and relaxed view of incremental territorial losses to Chinese aggression. A border settlement will be intended to remove India from the Asian equation of opponents to China’s regional dominance that requires accounts to be settled with Japan first and foremost. India’s bonhomie with it has evidently prompted unease in Beijing. The on-going contemporary aggression is designed to frighten India before its military modernization has taken place, which Chinese defence planners have openly declared will mature around 2017.

Indeed, one of China’s generals advocated attacking India before that happens, in the presence of a Chinese Harvard scholar who was recommending the charms of Indian democracy to an audience in China. China has apparently worked out which bits of disputed territory along the LAC it would like to have and is making moves to ensure a fait accompli. Changes to the extant LAC status quo being imposed militarily by China will seem paltry in the context of an overall settlement that will nevertheless favour it. The seditious nominal rulers in Delhi, who are selling the country down the river, are likely to have given some sort of undertaking that would also entail unprecedented betrayal of the Tibetan government-in-exile once the Dalai Lama has left the scene. It is this issue which has always been the real foundation of Sino-Indian discord rather than the border, which was a symptom of it, once China had gained the Aksai Chin it sought for strategic reasons.

In the meantime, a thoroughly besieged Iranian regime, a beneficiary of Indian solicitousness in recent years, has displayed unexpected loathing for it. The vacuity of the implied ingenuity of Indian diplomacy, actually amounting to nothing but self-doubt and a tendency to concede, while feigning an aura of honour, stands embarrassingly exposed. By contrast, Iranian diplomacy is much more hardnosed than anything India can muster despite Iran’s apparent international isolation. It is also abundantly clear that trifling Gulf statelets harbour nothing but derision for India and allow the Pakistani ISI and their surrogates from India free reign to plot against it from their jurisdictions. And why shouldn’t they, when so many high and mighty Indians avail their banking services to launder loot, purchase garish abodes along the Arabian Gulf coast and venerated Mumbai starlets gyrate before portly local audiences for hard cash?

India’s domestic insurgencies and political difficulties are another dimension that its enemies have always studied assiduously and helped exacerbate with unstinting support. Maoists, jihadis, counterfeiters and assorted diehard anti-nationals meet routinely to coordinate their assaults on the Indian state. These assignations occur in Gulf cities, Kathmandu, Dhaka, etc., under the aegis of Sino-Pak agencies who fund and oversee the individuals involved. They have, in turn, spawned human rights advocates, who take up the cudgels on their behalf whenever the need arises. These local anti-Indian surrogates are usually paid activists, often with high-level establishment connections. Some of them have been ideologically brainwashed by academics in respectable institutions abroad at the instigation of their national intelligence agencies, with which many, for example, in the UK, are routinely engaged.

In the recent past, I read two suspect books on the India-China dispute, patronised by a major publisher and written by Indian authors of modest academic credentials. These stealthily sought to discredit India’s established viewpoint in favour of laboured legal interpretations according primacy to the question of historically “undemarcated” territory and India’s allegedly illegitimate “forward policy”. All of a piece and extremely sinister, yet the incumbent UPA government, besieged on numerous fronts and patently unable to deal with any, remains obscenely fixated on hounding Narendra Modi. And it seems quite indifferent to its cost to a nation in the gravest danger for many generations.

Dr Gautam Sen has taught Political Economy at the London School of Economics.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 18 Sep 2013 14:42

Sanku wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote: What is the unofficial death toll amongst Jats?

The sanitized, secular version peddled by the media is 47 people with the impression that the majority of the victims were seculars.
I am not really sure, there is massive suppression of news, the ground reports are still confused. It should be clear in a week or two, as people get back together.

People who have been in the middle of all this tell that 17 trollies were burnt near Jauli canal. There were some who were riding motor cycles. They too were butchered. Each trolly had around 20-30 persons. On top of that there were ambushes in other villages as well. Administration didn't stop water in Gangnahar canal ergo bodies were allowed to flow away. So toll is most likely in four figures.

As per hindi media, now farmers are being attacked at work with automatic weapons. Reports say group of around 10 men clad in black fired at them. Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran are reporting extensively unlike englishwallahs.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 18 Sep 2013 14:51

arminius wrote:As per hindi media, now farmers are being attacked at work with automatic weapons. Reports say group of around 10 men clad in black fired at them. Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran are reporting extensively unlike englishwallahs.

So is the fire still simmering? From what I read in other dailies the Army is now pulling out. How does the local vernacular media report the same? I understand that Jats may have got hit during the first day, but subsequently they put up a jolly good fight. What makes me wonder is the whining of one particular community in front of all English media. The whine is very rare to hear, unless the community has been hit pretty severely. Also what are the long term implications? Yes the police can be coerced to do turn the other way, but how about community level initiatives like "social boycotts"? Do you see such a sort of boycotting coming in?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 18 Sep 2013 14:55

x posting from Elections thread :

I am getting confusing inputs from people around here. I have been told by a UP gentleman that after the MahaPanchayat, the attack on tractors near the canal and the firing on Army with AK 47s, Hindus emptied 2-3 entire villages of pissful scum which is the reason why the faithfools are angry at SP for not protecting them from the fall out. TFWIW.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Sep 2013 15:11

arminius wrote: As per hindi media, now farmers are being attacked at work with automatic weapons. Reports say group of around 10 men clad in black fired at them. Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran are reporting extensively unlike englishwallahs.

Can you please post links/images/anything?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 18 Sep 2013 17:07

Chandragupta wrote:Boss it is the return of the Mughal rule. We will go back to covering & protecting our women in our land. The city dwelling bimbos will not understand this, the tension will be felt in the rural & tier 3 town downwards.

No it is not - if the retaliation by Jats in Muzaffarnagar is any indication, rural communities are much more cohesive and aware of the issues. They got caught off-guard only one and later gave it back in many times more. Expect the area to remain calm for next 5 years at least.

peter · Post by **peter** » 18 Sep 2013 17:21

rohitvats wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:Boss it is the return of the Mughal rule. We will go back to covering & protecting our women in our land. The city dwelling bimbos will not understand this, the tension will be felt in the rural & tier 3 town downwards.
No it is not - if the retaliation by Jats in Muzaffarnagar is any indication, rural communities are much more cohesive and aware of the issues. They got caught off-guard only one and later gave it back in many times more. Expect the area to remain calm for next 5 years at least.

Chandra makes an interesting point. Friends from that area tell me that under BSP rule in western UP major roads were a hotbed of carjacking and molestation of women. Most cases went unreported. Qadir Rana types and their henchmen were involved. Look at the current case. The brazeness of it. A brother goes to beat up the miscreant roadside romeo and instead gets himself butchered. This much guts are only possible when a section feels they are untouchable by law.

I am not as optimistic as you are rohit.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 18 Sep 2013 17:39

Sanku wrote:
arminius wrote: As per hindi media, now farmers are being attacked at work with automatic weapons. Reports say group of around 10 men clad in black fired at them. Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran are reporting extensively unlike englishwallahs.
Can you please post links/images/anything?

These screenshots have been taken from rural Muzaffarnagar editions of Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 18 Sep 2013 17:51

peter wrote:Chandra makes an interesting point. Friends from that area tell me that under BSP rule in western UP major roads were a hotbed of carjacking and molestation of women. Most cases went unreported. Qadir Rana types and their henchmen were involved. Look at the current case. The brazeness of it. A brother goes to beat up the miscreant roadside romeo and instead gets himself butchered. This much guts are only possible when a section feels they are untouchable by law.

I am not as optimistic as you are rohit.

That was the situation before the current flare-up.

Now that the under-current is in foreground, Rambo from 'minority'community - and community as a whole - will think twice before indulging in such Rambo-giri. All that was being talked about in hushed tones and local nukkads is now in open - after the initial bravado where these guys had gathered in strength and planned an operation in advance, the retribution has been swift and very severe. There is a reason that why so many of them have been displaced.

Anyone familiar with rural UP landscape will know that typically villages are dominated by a particular caste or religion. Western UP has many Muslim dominated villages and Hindus from these would have been hit and migrated - but these are eventually surrounded by multiple Hindu villages. This is what happened in retribution by Jats - such villages in hinterland were targeted. The lesson learnt will be remembered for a long time.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Sep 2013 17:55

rohitvats wrote: Expect the area to remain calm for next 5 years at least.

I expect a massive flare up soon. The matter is not settled. The schism was only papered over. There is tremendous anger. And mulyam's son and man mohan are not doing any one any favors by openly pampering only one community and neglecting the other.

Did you see the sting clips on tv? People are seething. The pressure is not release yet.

arminius -- thanks.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 18 Sep 2013 18:16

rohitvats wrote: That was the situation before the current flare-up.

Now that the under-current is in foreground, Rambo from 'minority'community - and community as a whole - will think twice before indulging in such Rambo-giri. All that was being talked about in hushed tones and local nukkads is now in open - after the initial bravado where these guys had gathered in strength and planned an operation in advance, the retribution has been swift and very severe. There is a reason that why so many of them have been displaced.

Anyone familiar with rural UP landscape will know that typically villages are dominated by a particular caste or religion. Western UP has many Muslim dominated villages and Hindus from these would have been hit and migrated - but these are eventually surrounded by multiple Hindu villages. This is what happened in retribution by Jats - such villages in hinterland were targeted. The lesson learnt will be remembered for a long time.

Rohit ji, You are too optimistic. It ain't over till now. The most important point is that islamists are not short of resources for eg. Funding, weaponry and political backing. Hindus(including jats) do not have access to the above. And yes the freedom of hindu women in Western UP will be curtailed as a consequence. It might already be happening.

satya · Post by **satya** » 18 Sep 2013 19:04

Why RoP& its followers in media are crying ? Answer from a dilli billi : Aadmi toh aur paida ho jayenege per jameen ? ( you can reproduce people but land ? ) .This is the agony of RoPers . They thought one surprise attack is sufficient but man makes his plans & Allah has his own plans . Its not surprising to see the same thinking pattern ( one strong push & hindus will give up) in whole Indian sub-continent ( incuding TSP & BDees) .
Now RoPers are insisting on safety should they return to their villages ? To my knowledge , Yadav clan has not given a 100% guarantee & have instead promised them 'jobs' that has infuriated the RoPers further . When they took away the bullets from PAC , they forgot to take away their vehicles that were used to shift RoPers to 'relief camps' but that was never planned. RoPers behavior is based on either fear or anger . No wonder INC uses both to keep itself in power.

arminius · Post by **arminius** » 18 Sep 2013 19:17

satya wrote:Why RoP& its followers in media are crying ? Answer from a dilli billi : Aadmi toh aur paida ho jayenege per jameen ? ( you can reproduce people but land ? ) .This is the agony of RoPers . They thought one surprise attack is sufficient but man makes his plans & Allah has his own plans . Its not surprising to see the same thinking pattern ( one strong push & hindus will give up) in whole Indian sub-continent ( incuding TSP & BDees) .
Now RoPers are insisting on safety should they return to their villages ? To my knowledge , Yadav clan has not given a 100% guarantee & have instead promised them 'jobs' that has infuriated the RoPers further . When they took away the bullets from PAC , they forgot to take away their vehicles that were used to shift RoPers to 'relief camps' but that was never planned. RoPers behavior is based on either fear or anger . No wonder INC uses both to keep itself in power.

This sounds like Maliana 2.0 albeit without bullets. However, locals I talked to never mentioned it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2013 19:48

satya, So the Jats were disarmed by taking away licensed guns and the PAC also was disarmed by UP State govt. Meanwhile the Muslim rioters had AK-47s and snipers from Bangla Desh?

And dillibilli muses?
Are the getting ready for 1857 wrath of the Telangs?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Sep 2013 21:57

If and when the GoI and GoUP try to enforce Law and Order, expect few encounters of RoPs before it gets to normalcy. This happens only because the majority community accepts Law and Order whole hearted, some of RoPers and Naxals/Secularists wouldn't and it will result in encounters.

As and when that happens GoI should be well prepared to control the media and foreign involvement.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2013 22:27

Was the first guy who was killed by the two brothers a juvenile?
The whole trigger appears to be the 'rape culture' in youth who go scot free after harassing women.
With a benign eye from the police and the politicians.

INC spokesman are also fostering this culture rg. Abhishek Singhvi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Sep 2013 22:37

Sanku wrote:
rohitvats wrote: Expect the area to remain calm for next 5 years at least.
I expect a massive flare up soon. The matter is not settled. The schism was only papered over. There is tremendous anger. And mulyam's son and man mohan are not doing any one any favors by openly pampering only one community and neglecting the other.Did you see the sting clips on tv? People are seething. The pressure is not release yet.arminius -- thanks.

Hence the necessity of 250k special protection force for internal security to be recruited exclusively from Jaat and other communities living in Pissful Neighborhood.This is how it was told in past ,anuj vadhu bhagini sut naari;sun sad kanya sam ye chari;Inhein bilokai kudristi joi taake hane kachhu paap na hoi.