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habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Sep 2013 07:27

what the west is doing against Syria is pure terrorism.

72.000 Russians And Ukraines Asking Assad To Join The War
http://youtu.be/GUerRieHfjg

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2013 19:59

Nightwatch 18 Sep 2013

http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/Ni ... 00199.aspx

Syria: Special note. The UN inspectors judged that one of the two rockets they examined was an M14 140mm rocket, which is fired from a BM-14 multiple rocket launcher. NightWatch checked the web today to try to determine whether the Syrian Arab Army still fields or keeps in inventory or storage BM-14s. The BM-14 is a an old system, a variation of the Soviet World War II BM-13 towed or truck-mounted, 16-round Katyusha multiple rocket launcher.

One reason for the search is that this weapon system is more than 70 years old and was replaced in most Soviet-equipped armies decades ago. Usually it was replaced by the BM-21 122-mm multiple rocket launcher. Syria can make these rockets.

A second reason for the search is that the BM-14 is an area saturation weapon. An army rocket unit usually would not fire it singly or in small numbers for a tactical mission. Each salvo should launch at least 16 rockets.

Global Security posts to the web detailed inventories of military equipment fielded by most national armies, including that of the Syrian army. Its charts show the Syrian army fields large numbers of BM-21s, but no BM-14s. They also show no rocket launcher that fires a rocket with a diameter of 330-mm. The UN inspectors found parts of such a rocket, but could not match it to any systems they knew. Our search found that Iran's Fajr-5 333-mm rocket is the closest in diameter, but it is 18 feet long.

Global Security's information might be incomplete and the numbers are estimates. However, the site has proven to be a reliable source of detailed military information. Its list of the types of major items of equipment that the Syrian army fields is reliable. The list does not include the BM-14.

The question for Feedback is where did the M-14 rocket come from? Who is still using this system in Syria? Does Syria still have stocks of long outdated rockets? Did the opposition capture any?

NW is ex-US Army. Looks like there is quite a bit of opposition to toe the Syria War drum beat.

Looks like the UN report was based on false flag information.

Most likely the UN was shown fragments from Iran made 330 mm rocket fragements from old vintage say museums or Iran -Iraq war. And the BM14 was also same pedigree.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 Sep 2013 20:21

Russia will give the Security Council evidence implicating Syrian rebels in a chemical attack on 21 August, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 18 Sep 2013 20:45

The great allies of Obama and their deeds(misdeeds actually)

Looks like war on terror has taken on a completely new meaning. Lets hail the new alliance (US - Al qaeda).

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Sep 2013 20:54

Old news...but...

ZION_OIL

Zion’s vision is to find oil and/or natural gas in Israel. This vision, according to Zion’s Founder and Chairman, John Brown, is Biblically inspired.

While John Brown provides the broad vision and goals for the company, the actions taken by the Zion management as it actively explores for oil and gas in Israel, are based on modern science and good business practice . Zion’s oil and gas exploration activities are supported by appropriate geological, geophysical and other science-based studies and surveys typically carried out by companies engaged in oil and gas exploration activities.

The Vision and the Calling

From John Brown, Zion Oil & Gas, Inc., Founder & Chariman
When first visiting Israel in 1983, I believe that God gave me a scripture (1 Kings 8:41-43), a vision (Oil for Israel) and, as a Christian Zionist and New Covenant believer (Isaiah 65:1), the calling to render assistance to the Jewish people and Nation of Israel and to aid them in the Restoration of the Land by providing the oil and gas necessary to help the People of Israel maintain their political and economic independence (Leviticus 19:33,34 & Exodus 6:6-8).
In the Bible, God sovereignly declares that Israel is His chosen people (Exodus 4:22); and we can gain some understanding of God’s choice, His vision and purpose by reading Deuteronomy 7.

As a Christian Zionist, I declare, “…thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God” (Ruth 1:16). And I believe that, as true Christians, we must all so identify with Israel, as we are all part of the “wild olive branch” grafted onto the olive tree by the grace of God (Romans 11).

But as the Bible declares, God has not forsaken His covenant people (Jeremiah 31:31-40); and, as new covenant believers we are commanded by God in the Bible to stand together with the Jewish people whom the world has abused.
Fulfillment of prophecy is for the the Jewish people – for them is the realization of their covenant and for them is the answer to their prayers of countless generations:

“And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.” (Amos 9:14-15).
Aree baapre..hailaa

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Genie Energy Subsidiary in Israel Granted Exploration License
Genie Energy (NYSE: GNE, GNEPRA), said today that the government of Israel has awarded its subsidiary, Genie Israel Oil and Gas, Ltd., an exclusive petroleum exploration license covering 396.5 square kilometers in the Southern portion of the Golan Heights.
Genie Energy is currently developing two oil shale projects – one in Israel’s Shfela Basin and the other in Colorado’s Piceance Basin. The Company believes, based on its preliminary analysis and interpretation of existing geological data, that the newly issued license area may contain significant quantities of conventional oil and gas in relatively tight formations, the development of which would entail significantly different technical approaches and project timelines than the other projects. Genie Energy intends to conduct an exploration program to further investigate the size and quality of the resource aur kyaa museebate aani baaki hai in the area ? in the new license area.

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Genie Energy Ltd. is an American energy company headquartered in Newark, New Jersey. It is a holding company comprising IDT Energy, a retail energy provider, and Genie Oil & Gas, which controls the company's ventures in oil shale research and development in Colorado and Israel. Genie was part of IDT Corporation. IDT spun off Genie to its shareholders on October 31, 2011, at which point Class B common stock of Genie Energy Ltd. began trading on the NYSE under the ticker symbol "GNE". [1]

Genie's founder, chairman and controlling shareholder is Howard Jonas. Claude Pupkin is the company's CEO, and Avi Goldin is its CFO. Geoffrey Rochwarger is Genie's vice chairman.

Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.[2]

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Sep 2013 21:20

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Last year the American Truckers Association prepared a report for Congress highlighting the susceptibility of the nation’s just-in-time delivery system, the majority of which is made possible by the transport and delivery of freight. In the event of a catastrophic disaster such as a war that drives fuel prices through the roof or even a natural disaster such as a solar flare that renders electronic trucks inoperable, there would be a “a swift and devastating impact on the food, healthcare, transportation, waste removal, retail, manufacturing, and financial sectors,” according to the report.

The backbone of commerce in the United States is the truck drivers who spend long hours on the road ensuring our very survival as a modern society.

But with fuel prices continuing to rise, wages dropping, jobs becoming harder to find, and rampant corruption in Washington D.C. furthering the country’s economic death spiral, America’s truck drivers, like the majority of our fellow citizens, are fed up.

Between October 11th and 13th they have called for a general strike, asking truck drivers around the country to refuse to haul freight, a move that could carry with it a significant impact on the American economy.

The protest calls for truckers to make their way to Washington D.C. in a massive convoy in an effort to call attention to, among other things, the Benghazi cover-up, the recent attack which killed 25 members of SEAL Team 6, ever rising fuel prices, and claims that President Obama has engaged in treasonous crimes NOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Moreover, they’ve requested that the American people join them in solidarity by not shopping or engaging in any economic activity that benefits the government or their corporate interests.

The American people are sick and tired of the corruption that is destroying America! We therefore declare a GENERAL STRIKE on the weekend of October 11-13, 2013! Truck drivers will not haul freight! Americans can strike in solidarity with truck drivers!

Breaker 1 9 calling on all Trucker to shut America down for three days October 11-13. The American people are bleeding out with no relief in sight, It is time to change the NEWS. Let us show our elected officials that we are 100% fed up with corruption and the blatant disregard of the Constitution that they swore to defend.

My fellow Patriot this effort is to support the truckers in a major shut down of America in a 3 day strike October 11th thru 13th.
Obamacare will be in effect and most people will be ready to take action. No commerce on those days stock up on items that you will need. No banking no shopping no money transactions. It does not matter If a million or 50 roll through DC in this effort. Congress will listen to We The People. Which is remove Obama from office for crimes of treason and misdemeanors. We want Congressional hearing on Benghazi and Seal Team 6. Louis Learner put in jail. No amnesty, remove all Muslims in our government that do not uphold the Constitution. Remove Eric Holder from office for crimes against the people and the Constitution. Last but not least is Fuel prices. - Via: The Truckers to Shutdown America Facebook Page
The protest comes on the heels of a massive biker rally held in Washington D.C., and other grassroots efforts to hold the government to account for various Constitutional transgressions including everything from stripping Americans of their right to bear arms, to forced health care mandates soon to be implemented across the country (with exemptions for members of Congress and corporations with insider access, of course).

Calls of accountability have grown louder over the years from all political sides, starting most notably with the Tea Party movement and progressing to Occupy Wall Street.

The corruption and need for real change in America’s government has transcended political lines.

If the hundreds of thousands of truckers across America who keep our delivery systems running efficiently were to join together and stop hauling freight for even a week, the impact would be devastating and could not be ignored.

There’d be no food on the shelves, no fuel at our gas stations, and no medical supplies at our pharmacies and hospitals.

Congress and the President, who would like nothing more than to be perceived as our saviors and benefactors, would have no choice but to address the concerns of freight haulers, because the American people would feel the effects of the protest directly. And, chances are they’d be in the streets protesting themselves because of lack of access to essential goods they can’t live without.

We may often feel as if we, as individuals, have no power against the mighty United States government, but as Karl Denninger points out, we have much more power than we think.

If we get just 10% of America on board the entire game changes.
Especially when the business world — and government — realize that the next one is Black Friday weekend.
Just 10% of Americans can change the course of history, much like they did during the Revolutionary War.

Whether it happens in October, during Black Friday sales this November, or at some point in the future, this seemingly untenable situation is coming to a head.

Robert Kennedy may have said it best:

A revolution is coming — a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough — But a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability. - Robert Kennedy, Senate Floor, May 9, 1966
The snowball in America continues to roll down the hill, gaining speed and mass.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Sep 2013 21:24

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Sources at Israeli Embassy in Washington say negative representation of Jewish state on television series like 'Veep,' 'House of Cards' justifies 'conspiracy theories about the Israeli and Jewish control of American politics'

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 18 Sep 2013 22:34

Vetted opposition groups to get chemical warfare protection aid:

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... syria?lite

Now who would have thunk it?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Sep 2013 22:46

Syrian civil war: Aleppo prison inmates are caught in deadly stalemate

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Sep 2013 22:46

Syrian civil war: Aleppo prison inmates are caught in deadly stalemate

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2013 23:41

TSJones wrote:Vetted opposition groups to get chemical warfare protection aid:

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... syria?lite

Now who would have thunk it?

Is that so they can protect themselves form self inflicted faux pas or fratricide from other unvetted non-state 'rebels'?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 19 Sep 2013 03:00

ramana wrote:
TSJones wrote:Vetted opposition groups to get chemical warfare protection aid:

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... syria?lite

Now who would have thunk it?

Is that so they can protect themselves form self inflicted faux pas or fratricide from other unvetted non-state 'rebels'?

Assad is not going to give up his chemical weapons. It has to do with Israel.

Vlad is buying Assad time to disperse his forces.

The US is buying time to mitigate Assad's chemical weapons threat.

This is going to be a slow war of attrition.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Sep 2013 03:32

Massa and its minions in Syria are exposed completely. Even Briturd rags like telegraph are penning artecals that bulk of massa's minions are Al-qaeda affiliated jihadist mobs. World wide clamour is growing that is its those Jihadis who murdered all those children in a false flag chemical attack.

So now what whetting will massa do anew amongst its minions in Syria ?

Will it make a two way fight a three way one now by being partial to one batch of its (so called moderate) minions while leaving other batch (which is the majority - 80% of the FSA ) to fester by itself ?
... In any case if this is going to be a still slower war of attrition (than it has been in the last 2 years). The remaining 20% of the so called moderate 'rebels' will turn "Paki" in no time and as will be the bulk of the new fighters joining in the future war.

A nice Jihadist factory on the meditarannean ring armed with massa supplied weapons and trained in anti-chemical warfare - wonder how bold the yahoos will get when they wish to use home made Chem weapons on other targets..?

Only honorable exit could have been possible ..when in the beginning of the war itself Massa took out Assad with overwhelming force. Now that Jihadis are in the frame the deeper Massa gets involved the faster its credibility will be stripped in the open with the whole world is watching.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Sep 2013 05:53

The Janes' report about approx. 50% of the "rebels" being jihadist mercenaries and other intel from own sources,will torpedo any major mil. action against the Syrians.For Israel,it is far better to allow a greatly weakened Assad without his chem-weapons to remain,than create mayhem where AlQ and its supporters gain access to Syria and squat there as they did in Afghanistan.Al Q in Syria will become a rallying call for jihadists from all quarters to encamp in Syria and plan a future attack/invasion of Israel.Just imagine the movement of tens of thousands of anti-Israeli fighters from Iraq into Syria .The prospect is frightening.It will also further destabilise Jordan which is crumbling under the influx of Syrian refugees.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 19 Sep 2013 06:14

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1512940

Iran's new government scraps oil and gas connections to India

The new government in Iran has withdrawn all crucial oil and gas concessions that had been promised to India by its predecessor.

Oil minister Bijan N Zangeneh, it is learnt, told Indian ambassador D P Srivastava on September 1 that Tehran would not accept the entire payment for crude oil imported by India in rupees as agreed in July.

India was banking on 100 per cent rupee payment for Iranian crude to cut its forex outflow. Petroleum Minister M Veerappa Moily had assured Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last month that an additional 11 million tonnes would be imported from Iran in 2013-14 to save $ 8.47 billion.

Well, some of the dreams were based on huddling of Russia-Iran etc, for strategic sphere. Islamic imperialism is not good be it of shia or sunni variety w.r.t Indian interests. Oh well, there is still ample time to learn.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Sep 2013 07:13

And now our very own "Quisling" is allegedly (http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... epage=true) making haste to neutralise the Nuclear Liability Bill to please his US masters as well as paying them in hard cash a huge amt. as an advance! If the this despicable regime can so do,it is well within the Iranians right to also ask for hard cash for its oil.We can't use Iran like a condom whenever we are in desperate "itch" and discard them whenever the Yanquis pull the reins of the UPA donkey!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Sep 2013 12:00

UN upto clean up job for the WEST ?

Russia: UN inspectors ignored evidence on Syria chemical attacks

UN inspectors ignored evidence on chemical weapons use in Syria secretly passed to them by Damascus, said Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister in an exclusive interview to RT. That is why the UN report is biased and needs reinvestigation, he said.

“The Syrian authorities have conducted their own sampling and investigation, analysis in terms of possible evidence of the rebels being responsible for the tragic episodes both on August 21, but beyond that also on August 22, 23 and 24,” Sergey Ryabkov told RT's Maria Finoshina, who caught up with him during his visit to Damascus to discuss these allegations.

Ryabkov revealed that there were actually several chemical attacks in Syria in August and that the UN inspectors, headed by Swedish scientist Dr. Ake Salstrom, were informed about this, but ignored the information in their report.

“This material was discreetly handed over to Ake Salstrom, the head of the UN mission of experts here [in Syria] which came to investigate the Ghouta incidents. Salstrom was asked to look into it and eventually factor this new evidence into the final report. It never happened in fact,” Ryabkov told RT. “This is one of the reasons why we criticize the speed with which the report was released… and also an incomplete content of this report,” he said.

Moscow wants the UN inspectors to return to Syria and continue investigating in order to determine who was responsible for the chemical attack.

“We expect the UN Secretariat to both send Salstrom and his people back to Syria to continue investigation of the three remaining incidents, and also to write a full and comprehensive report against the background of all information they have received,” Ryabkov stressed.

He warned against the evidence provided by the Syrian and Russian sides being “simply nullified and disregarded.”

So far, Rybkov said, “one of the few areas” where the UN mission “kept its word” is that it only announced that chemical weapons were used without specifying who deployed them.

Ryabkov called on to the UN inspectors to follow the approach of the Russian expert analysis of the chemical attack that took place in Syria on March 19, which was professional and contained chemical, biological and medical analysis of the incident.

The Russian deputy FM maintained that during his two-day visit to Damascus a great job has been done as Syrian authorities are firmly set to fully fulfill all the obligations, and first of all to provide information about the complete list of chemical weapons they possess by the end of this week.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Sep 2013 15:12

Video showing Syrian rebels to blame for chemical weapons usage

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Sep 2013 15:13

Robert Fisk in Damascus: In Syria's capital, Assad's troops may be winning this war - untouched by Obama's threats
Dispatch from Damascus: The killing fields remain, and truth is as rare as hope

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25005.html

And so the war goes on. Missile alerts may be over but the killing fields remain, untouched by Obama’s pale threats or Sergei Lavrov’s earnestness. The Syrian army fights on in the rubble and the shells fly over Damascus and the road from Lebanon is still littered with checkpoints. Only when you reach the city do you notice how many people have now built iron guard doors before their homes and iron gates on car parks. The claim that 40-50,000 rebels surround the capital is probably untrue but there are up to 80,000 security men and soldiers inside Damascus and, on this battlefront, they may well be winning.

It’s a campaign that started long before the use of sarin gas on 21 August and continued long afterwards. But on that fateful night, the Syrian army did mount one of its fiercest bombardments of rebel areas. In 12 separate attacks, it tried to put special forces men inside the insurgent enclaves, backed up by artillery fire. These included the suburbs of Harasta, and Arbin.

I was chatting yesterday to an old Syrian friend, a journalist who used to be in the country’s special forces and he – quite by chance – said he was embedded with Syrian government troops on the night of 21 August. These were men of the Fourth Division – in which the President’s brother Maher commands a brigade – and my friend was in the suburb of Moadamiyeh – the site of one of the chemical attacks. He recalls the tremendous artillery bombardment but saw no evidence of gas being used. This was one of the areas from which the army was attempting to insert bridgeheads into rebel territory. What he does remember is the concern of government troops when they saw the first images of gas victims on television – fearing that they themselves would have to fight amid the poisonous fumes.

Frontline Syrian forces do carry gas masks but none was seen wearing any. “The problem,” my friend said, “is that after Libya there are so many Russian weapons and artillery pieces smuggled into Syria that you don’t know what anybody’s got any more. The Libyans can’t produce enough of their oil but they sure can export all Gaddafi’s equipment.” But that doesn’t necessarily include sarin gas. Nor does it let the Syrian government off the hook. The protocols on the use of gas and missiles are said to be very strict in Syria so, of course, we come back to the old question: who ordered those missiles fired during the awful night of 21 August?

The ancient Christian town of Maaloula, recaptured by regime forces (Getty) The ancient Christian town of Maaloula, recaptured by regime forces (Getty)

Some questions are familiar. Why use gas when so much more lethal weaponry is being flung at rebel forces across the country? If the government wanted to use gas, why not employ it north of Aleppo where not a single government soldier or official exists? Why in Damascus? And why wasn’t gas used on this scale in the previous two years? And why employ such a dreadful weapon when the end result is that Syria – by giving up its stocks of chemical weapons – has effectively lost one of its strategic defences against an Israeli invasion? No wonder, another Syrian friend of mine remarked last night, that the Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem had such a long and shocked face when he made his Moscow announcement. Wasn’t Israel the real winner in all this?

Rebel fighters use an iPad during preparations to fire a homemade mortar Rebel fighters use an iPad during preparations to fire a homemade mortar

Most probably Israel is also the winner in Syria’s civil war, as its once great neighbour is smashed and pulverised by a conflict which may continue for another two years. Syria was never a wealthy nation, but rebuilding its smashed cities and railways and roads is going to take many years. Rumours in Damascus are thicker than the smoke which envelops part of the city. Among the latest is an allegedly secret Western demand that a new Syrian government be formed of 30 ministers – 10 of them regime figures and at least 10 others independents – and that there must be a total restructuring of the army and security services. Since the West no longer has the means of enforcing such ambitious plans, all this sounds unlikely. Unless the Russians are also supporting the idea.

Rebel fighters shoot over a barricade in Aleppo (Getty) Rebel fighters shoot over a barricade in Aleppo (Getty)

North of Damascus, the Jabhat al-Nusra forces are now way back from the ancient, partly Christian town of Maaloula which was recaptured by the Syrian Third Armoured Division. But this poses another question. Why on earth did the Nusra fighters take Maaloula if they had no intention of holding it? Did they think that the Syrian regime would be so distracted by the thought of an American attack that it would lack the will to drive them out? Sadly both sides have ceased to care about the weapons they use or the immorality of using them. When an Islamist fighter can film himself eating the flesh of a dead soldier, all scruples have gone.

And here is one final thought. Not long ago, rebels in Damascus murdered a woman in Harasta. One of her sons is now serving in the Syrian army. He has never touched or fired gas in his life. But as a member of his family said to me, “if he was ordered to, he would not have the slightest hesitation. He would love to revenge himself on those who killed his beloved mother.”

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Sep 2013 15:40

Syria crisis: West backs down on demand for threat of war in UN resolution

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25118.html

The move means intervention in the conflict is unlikely in the near future
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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Sep 2013 15:59

Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Sep 2013 17:08

america also deserves better than him and his gang.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 19 Sep 2013 18:24

Meanwhile Chemical plant in Oklahoma went kaput
Reminds me of Waco fertilizer plant blow up. If this was also an illegal plant, I would have read it as US putting its share of efforts towards chemical arms disarmament

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Sep 2013 18:53

Was this posted earlier?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 62982.html

Putin Authorizes Atomic First Strike Against US Navy Forces
Saturday, September 14, 2013

A truly grim Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today warns that President Putin has “pre-authorized” the newly established Mediterranean Fleet use of atomic weapons to be fired against United States Naval assests in the event that CIA-backed al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria launch a chemical attack against Israel.

Important to note about this MoD report is that Putin had warned the American public this past week about this pending attack on Israel through the publishing by the New York Times of his open letter to these peoples warning:
Read More: >> http://newsdoors.blogspot.com/2013/09/p ... trike.html

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 19 Sep 2013 19:27

Philip wrote:Was this posted earlier?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 62982.html

Putin Authorizes Atomic First Strike Against US Navy Forces
Saturday, September 14, 2013

A truly grim Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today warns that President Putin has “pre-authorized” the newly established Mediterranean Fleet use of atomic weapons to be fired against United States Naval assests in the event that CIA-backed al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria launch a chemical attack against Israel.

Important to note about this MoD report is that Putin had warned the American public this past week about this pending attack on Israel through the publishing by the New York Times of his open letter to these peoples warning:
Read More: >> http://newsdoors.blogspot.com/2013/09/p ... trike.html

You need to think these things all the way through Fowler. Why just launch nukes at the US Navy? Why not the US homeland? Do you seriously think the US wil tolerate a nuclear strike against its forces w/o massive retaliation? Good grief. Use some common sense here.

Also, I got a malware warning from McAffee concerning the newsdoor.blogspot site so I didn't go there. You may get infected.

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Sep 2013 21:32

Naval assets can be sunk by Yakhonts, Oniks & like. Why waste nuclear assets on them ? Nuclear option is purely against land-based missile or offensive platforms or against air assets parked on land and hosted by allied countries such as Israel, Jordan or Turkey. Putin has basically got it right, US doesn't have balls to take this forward. The best vengeance for their aggression is that feeling of impotence & helplessness that will be stuck with them for a long time to come. And in the mean time the rest of the world will throw away dollar as reserve currency as well. That will complete the circle for them.

Russia may well have strong support from certain quarters for them to confidently up the tempo. There are a lot of powerful interests who may feel that the entire NWO campaign is being hijacked by US agenda.

habal · Post by **habal** » 20 Sep 2013 08:17

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Sep 2013 13:17

McCain rejects report claiming Syrian rebels are largely jihadis

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain hotly disputed a study claiming that at least half of Syria’s rebels are radical jihadis, repeatedly exclaiming “Not true, not true!”

“Frankly, I just disagree,” McCain told the Council on Foreign Relations audience, challenging the contention by defense consultancy IHS Jane’s that “the insurgency is now dominated by groups with at least an Islamist viewpoint of the conflict.”

“There’s about 70 percent still who are Free Syrian Army,” McCain said, flipping on its head the consulting firm’s research showing that just 30 percent are fighting for secular values.

McCain has frequently called for an increase in arms shipments to rebels groups fighting the Assad regime, and on Tuesday evening he sought to diminish concerns that these arms may one day be turned against the United States or its allies.

“The point, I think, that you and others are missing,” he told the questioner, “[is that] Syria is a moderate nation. Syria has the highest literacy rate of any nation in the Middle East. They are not going to submit to a jihadis or al-Qaida group governing them. They will not.”

“That’s a really a convenient cop-out to say, ‘Oh, we don’t know who they are,’” he continued angrily. “I know who they are. I was in Syria and I met them.”

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It’s likely the senator will see his dream of a Pentagon-led armament campaign realized. On Monday, The Washington Examiner reported that President Barack Obama waived a portion of federal law prohibiting military assistance to terrorist groups, paving the way for a large-scale weapons transfer to even some radical elements of the Syrian opposition.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Sep 2013 13:24

An unlikely band of brothers

Kurdish militias in the north-east, keen on delineating their own ethnic region, have engaged in bloody clashes against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), a radical affiliate of al-Qaeda. ISIS has fought local rebel militias in several cities along the Euphrates valley, which bisects central Syria, and on September 18th launched a full-scale assault to wrest control of Azaz, a town near the Turkish border that straddles access routes to Syria’s second city, Aleppo, from a group supported by Western and Arab Gulf countries.

Grim talk of a looming war-within-a-war pitting nationalist rebel factions against the pan-Islamic jihadists of ISIS, which draws its leadership and manpower largely from outside Syria, now rings true. Rival groups openly denounce ISIS as an agent of the Syrian regime, while jihadists warn of a Saudi-funded, American-inspired effort to sow division by backing anti-al-Qaeda Islamist militias, as America successfully did in Iraq. Speaking from hiding, the al-Qaeda chief, Ayman Zawahiri, has added to the foreboding with a call, released on September 12th, for Syrian rebels to shun “secular parties that are allied to the West”.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Sep 2013 13:34

Isis seizure of Syria's Azaz exposes rebel rifts - Pee Pee See

The Free Syrian Army is driven out of a town on the Turkish border. Several of their men are killed, perhaps as many as 100 captured. Inside the town, there are arrests of opposition activists and citizen-journalists. Members of the Sharia court are detained.

It sounds like a description of a successful offensive by the regime. But the Free Syrian Army lost the town of Azaz to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or Isis, the most hardline group linked to al-Qaeda on the rebel side. As a measure of the grip the jihadis have in Azaz, one eyewitness inside the town said no-one was smoking on the streets - tobacco is forbidden according to strict Islamist doctrine.

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Isis and al Muhajireen accused the man filming them - a doctor or his associate - of being journalists. That is a very dangerous accusation in Syria at the moment since the most extreme jihadi groups have taken a position that Western journalists are spies.

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Tensions have been steadily escalating. A senior FSA commander was shot dead in an argument with an Isis emir in nearby Idlib in the summer. Last week, Isis issued a fatwa declaring operation Banishment of Hypocrisy against the FSA in al-Bab and in Aleppo, both not far from Azaz.

According to fliers handed out by Isis fighters, this would be an offensive targeting two FSA brigades accused of "cowardly attacks on the benevolent mujahideen". Fighting has also broken out between the FSA and Isis in another important town, Dayr az Zawr.

Isis seems to be in control of Azaz for the moment, though Northern Storm and Liwaa al Tawheed, another FSA brigade, are massing outside. Turkish authorities have closed a nearby crossing from Syria. It will be interesting to see how Turkey reacts to the Islamic State's dominance just across its border.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Sep 2013 13:36

"northern storm" - now thats a really cool name

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Sep 2013 14:07

Haunted by Halabja, US seeks Syrian solution - Deutsche Welle

A quarter century ago, Washington turned a blind eye to what happened at Halabja. On March 16, 1988, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein unleashed poison gas against the Kurdish city, killing more than 3,200 people, according to a 1993 Human Rights Watch report.

"The lesson of Halabja is unfortunately that the condemnation came too late - two months later - but also it came six years too late," Joost Hiltermann, the author of Poisonous Affair: America, Iraq and the Gassing of Halabja, told DW.

"Because Halabja was the culmination, the climax of a steady increase in the use of chemical weapons in quantity and in quality, meaning more lethal agents over time," said Hiltermann, also the chief operating officer at the International Crisis Group in Brussels.

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"The US of course knew that the Iraqis had been using chemical weapons in every major military exchange between Iran-Iraq from 1984 onwards," Gibson, author of "Covert Relationship: US Foreign Policy, Intelligence and the Iran-Iraq War," told DW.

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"We have recently received additional information confirming Iraqi use of chemical weapons," Howe wrote in an information memorandum to Secretary of State George P. Shultz. "We also know that Iraq has acquired a CW production capability, primarily from Western firms, including possibly a US foreign subsidiary."

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Despite its condemnation and export ban, Washington provided diplomatic cover for Iraq at the United Nations. In October 1983, the Iranians had called on the UN secretary general to investigate Iraqi poison gas attacks. By 1984, the UN Human Rights Commission was considering an Iranian draft resolution condemning Iraq for using chemical weapons.

Secretary of State Shultz told the US delegation to let the resolution die, arguing that the commission "is an inappropriate forum for matters dealing with chemical weapons."

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That same year, Iran moved to capture the northern Iraqi city of Halabja. Baghdad deployed poison gas against the Kurdish town in retaliation. It was the worst chemical weapons attack against a civilian population center in modern times, according to the Federation of American Scientists.

Congress, galvanized by images of the attack beamed from region, moved to impose broad sanctions against Iraq in response. But the Reagan administration, unwillingly to give Iran an opportunity to seize the moral high ground, opposed congressional action.

The final bill, called the Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988, passed in the Senate but ultimately failed in the House of Representatives.

"It stalled in the House partly because of the lobbying of agricultural interests, who had these large stakes in these government-subsidized exports to Iraq," Bruce Jentleson, author of "With Friends like These: Reagan, Bush and Saddam 1982-1990," told DW.

In Jentleson's assessment, the bill also failed because of Reagan's ongoing calculation that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and also because the administration did not want to rock the boat and look soft on Iran ahead of Bush's presidential campaign taking shape in 1988.

In the initial statement made by the US after the attacks, the State Department suggested that both sides might have used chemical weapons in Halabja. According to Hiltermann, Washington also delayed UN Security Council action on the attacks for weeks.

"The Iraqis started using that statement from the US State Department to suggest that in fact the Iranians might have used chemical weapons in Halabja, and not Iraqi forces, and that any casualties were the result of Iranian action," Hiltermann said.

According to witness testimony collected by Human Rights Watch, the Iraqi military was responsible for the attack.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Sep 2013 16:59

It might be best to allow some space for the hard core Islamists to establish their own state. The Daraa (Dera) region of southern Syria and adjoining areas of Jordan might be consolidated for this purpose. The rest of Syria should be cleansed of Jihadists.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Sep 2013 17:29

No - let the islamists establish their state in the laps of their sponsors turkey, jordan, saudis and qatar.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Sep 2013 17:51

TSJ ,it's why I put a Q mark on the post.What purpose does the "report" serve? Neither Russia or the US would want to spar with N-weapons over proxies,no matter how close.It's why the Israelis have their own deterrent,and not hide under another's umbrella.However,if the balloon goes up as many hotheads want and a Russian warship is hit by accident or design,then the gloves will be off,make no mistake.AS has been pointed out ,there are many ways to skin a cat,not neccessarily nuclear.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Sep 2013 09:12

Iranians Volunteer In Syria defending it From Terrorists
http://youtu.be/t3-R6-HxJT0

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Sep 2013 13:33

Great cartoon Habal,any good ones from Oliphant?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Sep 2013 01:36

Nightwatch...

Special comment: Human Rights Watchpublished a useful report with a map that showed range rings for what its author considers the likely firing ranges and location for the two rockets examined by the UN inspectors. The location was determined by back tracking the trajectory from the information provided in the UN report. This report and map have received extensive news coverage because the commentary concludes that they implicate Syrian army units at a large Syrian army base. It includes a Republican Guard unit and an armored division. Some news outlets have cited this as conclusive proof that only Syrian units could have fired the rockets. It is a useful and elementary thing to do with the UN information about the rockets. It is far from conclusive because so many assumptions have to be made in such an analysis and need to be stated up front, as assumptions. Old hands at detailed military intelligence have done this kind of analysis hundreds of times over decades, on multiple continents and in multiple crises, but not usually from buried rocket bodies. Back tracking over distances measured in miles from the orientation of a buried rocket body requires even more assumptions. A threshold one is that the impact areas were not disturbed. The UN inspectors said the impact areas had been traveled; people were seen carrying and handling pieces of munitions. These are buzz words for a contaminated scene and deception. The inspectors dutifully reported what they found and measured, but provided no assurance that the rocket bodies had not been moved, twisted or handled. Another assumption is that the rockets flew true. Back tracking a trajectory from a buried rocket body that was fired from a multiple rocket launcher in a saturation attack is tricky because the rockets are unguided and are supposed to scatter. Compounding this problem is that the inspectors examined two different rocket bodies, one 140-mm in diameter and the other 330-mm. That is important information for many reasons, including that the two would not have the same range, payload or impact. The inspectors said one of the rocket bodies they examined resembled an M14 rocket which is fired from the BM-14 16-tube rocket launcher. The map rings in the Human Rights Watch report were drawn using known BM-14 minimum and maximum ranges. The UN report does not constitute proof that a BM-14 weapon was used, with its known range and characteristics. It only indicates that a rocket body like an M14 was examined. Al Jazeera published on 17 September a video of a rocket manufacturing workshop run by the Free Syrian Army. It contains computer driven lathes. The video narrator said he was told the shop produces three kinds of rockets used by rebel forces, one of which has the same range as the BM 14 launcher. The shop makes the rocket bodies and motors, the warheads and the detonators. This is circumstantial, but relevant. The back tracked trajectories were drawn to meet at the large Syrian Army base, but that assumes only M14 rockets were fired; the trajectory information is accurate and, critically, the Syrian army still uses BM14s. No one has explained the presence of the 330-mm diameter rocket plate. Open source information indicates the Syrian army does not have BM14s or rockets that are 330-mm in diameter. There are other pitfalls in this kind of analysis, including examination of the influence of terrain, weather and other external factors. A major problem is that it satisfies. It has cognitive allure because it provides a quick, neat, seemingly comprehensive and easily understood solution. That nurtures premature cognitive closure, which means the analyst prematurely stops his search for evidence. Contrary leads are not followed and additional, necessary corroborative leads that might nuance or alter the conclusions are ignored. Contradictory evidence is not given the weight or mental energy that is applied to the solution that satisfices. Other cognitive problems characteristic of bias follow.

In a more complete analysis, the next essential steps before presenting it to a senior official would be to determine the rocket launching capabilities of the suspect Syrian Army units; locate the rocket launcher units; locate the suspect chemical warfare depots or supply vehicles; identify likely firing sites on the base and look for signs that troops recently handled chemical weapons. There have been a sufficient number of Syrian army defectors that the answers should be easily available, probably from men who served in the suspect units. Those appreciations might be followed by a search for likely firing sites from other locations. At least one range ring on the map overlaps an area identified as rebel-controlled, but with different azimuths. The result of this is that there remain many open questions and all judgments about who fired are probabilities judgments. More field work is needed and the Syrian President said in an interview on the 17th that UN inspectors have been invited back to Syria.

Looks like the NGO Human Rights Watch is a handmaiden of its controllers in providing evidence to strike Syria!!!

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Sep 2013 06:33

the prince of terrorists:

prince bandar bin sultan

he is the man-manager of al-qaeda

al-qaeda was & is for all practical purposes managed by bandar and not some zawahiri slumming it out in Karachi.

Bandar bin Sultan is the director general of the Saudi Intelligence Agency. In that capacity, he has earned a well-deserved reputation as the “Prince of Terrorists.”

According to the Wall Street Journal, Bandar is leading the rebel forces trying to overthrow the Syrian government. Many analysts consider Bandar a prime suspect in the apparent false-flag chemical weapons attack in al-Ghouta.

Adam Entous of the Wall Street Journal says that Prince Bandar and his Saudi Intelligence Agency manufactured “evidence” that the Syrian government had used sarin gas prior to the al-Ghouta attack.

Entous stated during a Democracy Now interview: “Bandar’s intelligence agency concluded that chemical weapons were being used on a small scale by the regime. Followed by that, the Brits and the French were convinced of the same conclusion. It took US intelligence agencies really until June to reach that conclusion.”

In other words, Bandar used his money, clout, and connections to make sure that “the intelligence would be fixed around the policy” - just like Bush did with the alleged Iraqi WMDs in 2003.

How did Bandar convince Western intelligence agencies to accept his extremely dubious claims that Assad was using sarin gas? Bandar found a Syrian who had been exposed to sarin and flew him to Britain to be tested. When the Syrian victim tested positive for sarin, Bandar pushed his Western intelligence colleagues to accept the far-from-obvious conclusion that Assad must have been responsible.

According to Entous: “What the British found when they did the testing was that this Syrian was exposed to sarin gas, which the US and British and French intelligence believe is only in the possession of the Syrian regime.”

But do the US and British and French intelligence really believe that Bandar - who commands hundreds of billions of dollars and a sophisticated network of covert operators and killers - could not have poisoned the Syrian victim himself? Obviously, they are not that naïve. Western intelligence is complicit in Bandar's attempt to frame Assad for the use of sarin. They were looking for an excuse to attack Syria, and Bandar gave it to them.

Then when the huge sarin attack struck al-Ghouta on August 21st, knowledgeable observers immediately suspected a false-flag attack by Bandar's forces. According to Associated Press Mideast correspondent Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh: “... from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture (from the Western mainstream media narrative) emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the deadly gas attack.”

More evidence that the terrorist prince orchestrated the attack on al-Ghouta emerged when it was revealed that the photos of dead children were not what they appeared. According to VoltaireNet.org:

"Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder."
"Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture."

"They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool)."

"The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families."

"They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists (i.e. mercenaries of Prince Bandar) two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta."

"Contrary to the claims of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the 'crimes of Bashar el-Assad' are in reality their killers."

Is terrorist prince Bandar really shameless enough to kidnap children, murder them, and then present the dead children as alleged victims of his enemies? In a word: Yes.

Bandar's shamelessness knows no bounds. The dissolute chief of “radical Islamic terrorists” actually had the audacity to threaten Russian President Putin with a terrorist attack on the Winter Olympics if Putin didn't stop supporting the Syrian government! Bandar claimed that he had the full support of the American government in delivering his bribe offers and terrorist threats to President Putin.

Bandar, an intimate of the Bush crime family who is affectionately known as “Bandar Bush,” also appears to have been involved in the 9/11 false-flag attacks. Let's look at some of the evidence - admittedly circumstantial - that links Bandar to 9/11.

Of the alleged 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis. CIA sources have confirmed testimony from Michael Springman, the former head of the US Visa Bureau in Jeddah, about the Saudi “muscle hijackers”: They were CIA agents, presumably with a background in Saudi intelligence, who came to America on CIA “snitch visas.” These were special visas that the CIA offered as a reward to Saudis who spied for the US. (Saudi Intelligence is so closely connected to the CIA that it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.)

While living in the US, the future alleged 9/11 hijackers lived charmed lives. They trained at secure US military facilities, including Pensacola Naval Air Station, where Mohamed Atta was a regular partier at the officers' club, and Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama. Two of the alleged hijackers received regular checks totaling tens of thousands of dollars from Prince Bandar and his wife, funneled through US-Saudi intelligence asset Omar al-Bayoumi.

Immediately after 9/11, all air traffic in the US was grounded. The only planes allowed to fly were special private jets that Bush and Cheney arranged to fly Bandar, along with Bin Laden family members and other Saudi suspects, out of the country before they could be interrogated by the FBI.

Evidence suggests that Prince Bandar has been the operations chief of al-Qaeda, the CIA data-base of its Arab legion of mujahideen fighters, ever since the Afghan war of the 1980s. It is these CIA-supported, Mossad-supported al-Qaeda fighters that Bandar commands today in Syria.

In short, it is Bandar Bush, Prince of Terrorists - not the well-meaning dupe Osama Bin Laden, or the shrill ideologue al-Zawahiri - who has always been the real commander of the Western intelligence operation known as “al-Qaeda.”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/20 ... errorists/

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Sep 2013 08:00

Read the best selling book,"House of Bush and House of Saud" to understand the true nature and depth of common interest of the two families.Bandar is the chief promoter of Wahaabi Islamist fundamentalism around the globe ,which has its aim,global domination and death to all us "infidels".His goal is to conquer his Muslim neighbours first and then embark upon his jihad against the infidels of the west and east,using outright conflict by bribing the west to invade for cheap oil,his Shiiite and secular Islamic enemies,while using rent-boy terrorist jihadis like Pak to deal with nations like India.Aiding and abetting this conspiracy are servile lackeys,masquerading as "leaders",willing to genuflect and prostrate themselves at the feet of their masters in the US,as we are going to see very shortly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 31792.html

Robert Fisk
Sunday 22 September 2013
Gas missiles 'were not sold to Syria'

Export papers seem to back Assad's denial over sarin attack – but Russians won't go into detail

While the Assad regime in Damascus has denied responsibility for the sarin gas missiles that killed around 1,400 Syrians in the suburb of Ghouta on 21 August, information is now circulating in the city that Russia's new "evidence" about the attack includes the dates of export of the specific rockets used and – more importantly – the countries to which they were originally sold. They were apparently manufactured in the Soviet Union in 1967 and sold by Moscow to three Arab countries, Yemen, Egypt and Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's Libya. These details cannot be verified in documents, and Vladimir Putin has not revealed the reasons why he told Barack Obama that he knows Assad's army did not fire the sarin missiles; but if the information is correct – and it is believed to have come from Moscow – Russia did not sell this particular batch of chemical munitions to Syria.

Since Gaddafi's fall in 2011, vast quantities of his abandoned Soviet-made arms have fallen into the hands of rebel groups and al-Qa'ida-affiliated insurgents. Many were later found in Mali, some in Algeria and a vast amount in Sinai. The Syrians have long claimed that a substantial amount of Soviet-made weaponry has made its way from Libya into the hands of rebels in the country's civil war with the help of Qatar – which supported the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi and now pays for arms shipments to Syrian insurgents.

There is no doubt that Syria has a substantial chemical weapons armoury. Nor that Syrian stockpiles contain large amounts of sarin gas 122mm missiles. But if the Russians have indeed been able to identify the specific missile markings on fragments found in Ghouta – and if these are from munitions never exported to Syria – the Assad regime will boast its innocence has been proven.

In a country – indeed a world – where propaganda is more influential than truth, discovering the origin of the chemicals that suffocated so many Syrians a month ago is an investigation fraught with journalistic perils. Reporters sending dispatches from rebel-held parts of Syria are accused by the Assad regime of consorting with terrorists. Journalists reporting from the government side of Syria's front lines are regularly accused of mouthing the regime's propaganda. And even if the Assad regime was not responsible for the 21 August attacks, its forces have committed war crimes aplenty over the past two years. Torture, massacre, the bombardment of civilian targets have long been proved.

Nevertheless, it also has to be said that grave doubts are being expressed by the UN and other international organisations in Damascus that the sarin gas missiles were fired by Assad's army. While these international employees cannot be identified, some of them were in Damascus on 21 August and asked a series of questions to which no one has yet supplied an answer. Why, for example, would Syria wait until the UN inspectors were ensconced in Damascus on 18 August before using sarin gas little more than two days later – and only four miles from the hotel in which the UN had just checked in? Having thus presented the UN with evidence of the use of sarin – which the inspectors quickly acquired at the scene – the Assad regime, if guilty, would surely have realised that a military attack would be staged by Western nations.

As it is, Syria is now due to lose its entire strategic long-term chemical defences against a nuclear-armed Israel – because, if Western leaders are to be believed, it wanted to fire just seven missiles almost a half century old at a rebel suburb in which only 300 of the 1,400 victims (if the rebels themselves are to be believed) were fighters. As one Western NGO put it yesterday: "if Assad really wanted to use sarin gas, why for God's sake, did he wait for two years and then when the UN was actually on the ground to investigate?"

The Russians, of course, have made similar denials of Assad's responsibility for sarin attacks before. When at least 26 Syrians died of sarin poisoning in Khan al-Assal on 19 March – one of the reasons why the UN inspectors were dispatched to Syria last month – Moscow again accused the rebels of responsibility. The Russians later presented the UN with a 100-page report containing its "evidence". Like Putin's evidence about the 21 August attacks, however, it has not been revealed.

A witness who was with Syrian troops of the army's 4th Division on 21 August – a former Special Forces officer considered a reliable source – said he saw no evidence of gas shells being fired, even though he was in one of the suburbs, Moadamiya, which was a target for sarin. He does recall the soldiers expressing concern when they saw the first YouTube images of suffocating civilians – not out of sympathy, but because they feared they would have to fight amid clouds of poison.

"It would perhaps be going beyond conspiracy theories to say the government was not involved," one Syrian journalist said last week, "but we are sure the rebels have got sarin. They would need foreigners to teach them how to fire it. Or is there a 'third force' which we don't know about? If the West needed an excuse to attack Syria, they got it right on time, in the right place, and in front of the UN inspectors."

PS:Many on BR have speculated about a "false flag" attack by western special forces ,in similar fashion as that of many "terror attacks" in Iraq,remember how British agents in mufti were caught with their pants down and hands full of bombs in Iraq.