Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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kish wrote: “Army’s mother document” says growing Indian military power “disturbs strategic equilibrium of the region”
Pakistan’s official Army Doctrine calls on the country to “invoke disproportionate responses” in future wars with India,

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“Basically, this document signals they intend to react to even limited Indian military operations with disproportionate force, and hope fear of escalation deters New Delhi from reacting to events like 26/11.”
had a big lol at this so-called "theory" because all India needs to do is to demolish Pakjab and the few points in other states that are even somewhat sympathetic to Pakjab. What disproportionate nonsense are they talking about ? Disproportionate or proportionate, Pakjab will made a wasteland and that will be the end of Pakistan and it's flop nazariya. Baloch, Sindhis & Pakhtuns will take over and they will have entirely different nazriye than these inbred 'neither here nor there' pakjabi. Also Balochi, Sindhis & Pakhtuns are proud of their identity and do not hanker after any arabic identity, turkic identity, or Central asian mish-mash identity unlike pakjabi ahl-e-hadis. They have inherent self-esteem and are comfortable in their identity.

Pakistani "think-tanks" and armchair strategists do not realize the disproportionate force India can bring to bear upon a relatively small area like Pakjab in case of a war. They sit in their well (pakjabi kupa-manduka) and think they hide invisible in some mountains.
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Jhujar wrote:Thinking of this, just signing the Rafale deal will lead to paki bankrutcy if they try to strengthen their defences. Paki cant win any war with India in pakstan's short life.
But, from what was posted in the other thread on strong countries of the world projected up to 2050, Pakistan is seen making steady progress as well. That is what disturbs me. Pakistan will not cease to be a nuisance at all.
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Realistically they know their limitations of having only Pakjab as a buffer. Ganja Sharif can be as much of a hawk as he wants to but he can't do jack about it. India should only be careful during transitions of govt, because that's when these opportunists will try to wreck maximum damage. They know elections are coming, and a new govt in place would also be inexperienced.

Nuke Pakjab at slightest pretext is the only fail-safe policy.
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matrimc wrote:
Anujan wrote:Hasnt there already been 4 wars? '48, '65, '71, '99 -- which of these is he not counting?
Probably the last one - Kargil - when he was summoned by Kilton saab and got guboed.
In 48, he lost Jugular, in 65 a leg and arm, 71 half of Mid section,in 99 an eye. Whats left to loose Pakistan. 2 Ears and 1 leg or on eye?

Maar Diya Jayye, Yaan Chorr Diya Jayye
Bole Tere Saath Kya Salook Kiya Jayye ?
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Tunda Bhi Hai Tu, Filth Filled Pakhana
Abh Ki baar Tumko Flush down Kiya Jayye?
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SSridhar wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Thinking of this, just signing the Rafale deal will lead to paki bankrutcy if they try to strengthen their defences. Paki cant win any war with India in pakstan's short life.
But, from what was posted in the other thread on strong countries of the world projected up to 2050, Pakistan is seen making steady progress as well. That is what disturbs me. Pakistan will not cease to be a nuisance at all.
Those were linear projections only and not sure shot. Right Now their reserves are down and soon will be at Pre 9/11 time. Population growth rate 2.77 % and no chance of economic growth beyond similar numbers. Inflation alone will kill them if not the breeding. IMHO,3.5 will sustain them till cost is total 20 Billion a year. Once India make the cost rise to unbearable level of 5-60 Billions, many more attractive options open up for world to solve Paki problem. Main hindrance right now is India not exercising its options to push back. For start, We need to increase the size of armed forces and updated weaponery.
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Only Death in the name of allah for blasphemers
ISLAMABAD: After 23 years, the Federal Shariat Court (FSC) has issued orders to remove the provision of life-imprisonment from the blasphemy law, stating that only death is punishment for blasphemy and sought a report from the government for implementation of the order within a couple of months.

A five-judge larger bench, headed by Justice Fida Hussain, heard a contempt of court petition on Wednesday, filed by Advocate Hashmat Habib.

Issuing its verdict, the court noted that in its ruling of 1990, the FSC had clarified that the mention of life imprisonment with death sentence should be removed from the blasphemy law, as humiliation of any prophet was intolerable and the one doing so should be given only death sentence.

According to the petition, the verdict of the Shariat Court, dated 1990, could not be implemented until now and, therefore, its implementation should be asked for immediately and the contempt proceedings be started against those failing to abide by this provision of the law.
AOA onlee
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Pakis have been relegated to reading news about poor SDRE making the coveted "top five countries" list for a wide range of things.

But the ummah will not be left behind. AOA onlee!

Pakistan in top five!
LONDON: The number of countries posing an “extreme risk” to human rights has soared by 70% in the past five years with Pakistan taking the fourth position in Asia, according to experts.

UK-based risk analysis company Maplecroft said since 2008, the number of countries posing an extreme risk to the human rights of their populations has risen from 20 to 34 - a 70% rise.The finding comes in the company’s latest annual Human Rights Risk Atlas (HRRA), which analyses the frequency, severity and complicity risk of 31 separate human rights violations in 197 countries.

At the other end of the scale, 41 countries are classified as posing a “low risk” of human rights violations, including the UK which is ranked 165th, while Denmark (191st), Norway (189th), Finland(188th) and Sweden (184th) make Scandinavia the best performing region.Maplecroft said regionally, the Middle East and North Africa (Mena) and Africa account for the majority of the 70% increase in high risk countries.

According to the latest atlas, the highest risk countries in Asia include Pakistan (fourth), Afghanistan (sixth), Burma (eighth), China (15th), Bangladesh (17th) and India (18th).

Maplecroft’s head of societal risk and human rights Lizabeth Campbell said: “Since 2008, global economic growth and investment has shifted to new markets prompting a demand for low-cost workers, water and land as well as other natural resources.

In these economies, worker’s rights continue to be compromised, rural and indigenous communities face land grabs and forced displacement and repressive or corrupt governments clamp down on freedom of expression to maintain their grip on power and economic control.”

The findings were made public as the plight of Christians in various parts of the world was discussed in the parliament.Sir Tony Baldry, the Tory MP who represents the Church of England in the Commons, said there was a growing concern at the way Christians in Middle Eastern countries were being treated.

He said with Christmas fast-approaching, there was a severe danger many Christian churches could be erased from the ancient holy land. He called on the British government to do more to protect the rights of Christians in Middle Eastern countries as well as in Pakistan.

Taking part in the debate, Pakistani origin Tory MP Rehman Chishti called on the government of Pakistan to stand up and do the right thing by repealing a bad law - “that bad law is the blasphemy law, and the abuse of that law must be dealt with. It is used to settle disputes between one neighbour and another.” :mrgreen:

Mr Chishti said that immediate changes in Pakistan should include not allowing the lower courts to deal with blasphemy cases and appointing specialized prosecutors and specific judges to oversee such cases. There should also be a body in the Ministry of Interior that authorises prosecutions.

The case of Asia Bibi, who was sentenced for death for blasphemy four years ago, was also raised. Mr Chishti said that “the Government of Pakistan under a new president and prime minister have a moral obligation to do the right thing :rotfl: and ensure that Asia Bibi is released and pardoned.”
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Yet more documented evidence of Pakistani government funding terror...

ISI using cross-border trade to fund Hizbul Mujahideen: NIA
Pakistan's spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence ( ISI) and other "agencies of Islamic Republic of Pakistan" have been funding activities of Hizbul Mujahideen in Jammu and Kashmir through cross-border trade between India and Pakistan, a chargesheet filed by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in a case of terror funding has said. This and other methods of funding led to an inflow of Rs 80 crore into the coffers of Hizb in the past eight years, the chargesheet said.

Filed on Saturday against Hizb chief Syed Salahuddin and nine others, the chargesheet was on Tuesday taken cognizance of by the NIA special court in Delhi. Detailing methods of funding terror activities in the Valley, the chargesheet said terrorists of HuM, who crossed over to Pakistan in the garb of traders, were involved in trade across the LoC and misused it to send money and weapons to the Indian side from PoK and Pakistan. It said some truck drivers were also involved in it.

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The chargesheet further said HuM's modus operandi was to "under invoice the goods sent from across PoK/Pakistan. Indian counterparts send equivalent goods as per barter system and the extra money generated in this exchange is collected by HuM from traders in India."

These funds are then received by HuM cadres known as "relief takers". NIA claimed to have evidence that "around 263 individuals based in PoK who are assigned the work of relief takers in Pakistan/PoK" are active terrorists of HuM. These relief takers had obtained Rs 2.09 crore from Jammu and Kashmir Affectees Relief Trust (JKART), an overground NGO working as a front for HuM to fund terror, for further distribution among 673 beneficiaries.

Regarding the money paid to the cadres of HuM, the NIA said their "monthly remuneration has increased from Rs 2000-3000 per month in 1990s to Rs 10,000-12,000 per month in 2011".

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Giving details of the banned terror outfit, the NIA said HuM had established its main office in Islamabad while JKART was its "frontal organization".

"Investigation has revealed that in furtherance of the said criminal conspiracy, Markazi-e-Shura of HuM, a top body of its decision making, in the year 1999 in a meeting chaired by Mohd Syed Salahuddin... in connivance with the agencies of government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, including but not limited to Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), founded a trust namely JKART, a frontal organization of HuM, with the object to systematically receive, collect and raise funds from different sources in Pakistan and other countries," it said.

JKART also received funds from another trust 'Relief Organization for Kashmiri Muslims (ROKM)' founded for rehabilitation of migrant Kashmiri Muslims in Pakistan and PoK, it said, adding JKART and ROKM were primarily funded by Pakistan government and its agencies.
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Senators decry Nawaz's "package" :mrgreen:
ISLAMABAD: The government came under scathing criticism in the Senate on Wednesday from the opposition, which alleged that ever since the PML-N government came into being, Pakistan was facing a massive tsunami of price hikes of essential goods, and utility services were also beyond the common man’s affordability.

Senator after senator from the opposition benches referred to unprecedented increases in the rates of onion, potato, fruits and other items of daily use. They criticised the government for not bringing the controversial recently-announced package of incentives for capitalists and investors to parliament.

Opposition senators rejected the recently announced special package for businessmen and investors as a package of incentives for crony capitalists and big businesses and asked the prime minister why no package for the poor and down-trodden had been unveiled so far.

They alleged that black-marketing, hoarding and price manipulations would not be possible without the tacit backing of the government. The issue of good governance also echoed in the House and legislators alleged that there was not even an iota of good governance at the federal government. :rotfl: They rejected the latest Transparency International report on Pakistan as fake.

An independent Senator Humayun Mandokhail, who is allied with the government, proposed to the prime minister not to keep nine portfolios with himself, saying this would not improve working of the government.

Opening the debate on a motion about the recent price hike, PPPP’s Mian Raza Rabbani noted a tsunami of price spiral had created a situation wherein common man was finding it very hard to afford basic needs of daily life.

Rabbani, who had moved the motion a day earlier, charged the govt with doling out incentives for capitalists and noted how PML-N Finance Minister Ishaq Dar had opposed the PPPP government’s amnesty package for broadening of tax net, calling it a financial NRO.

He said the incumbent government’s package was ‘the father of all packages:mrgreen: :rotfl: having no condition of audit for those, who already paid no taxes. In contrast to this move, the life of the common man had been miserable due to increases in energy products’ rates, utility services tariffs.

The PPPP senator recalled the move of the prime minister’s recent rejection of a summary moved by Ogra for hike in rates of petroleum products and pointed out that while oil prices internationally had come down, the government had kept their rates unchanged instead of passing on relief to masses.

He warned that if the government did not change its course, it could face dire consequences. “How the government is working can be gauged from the arbitrary sacking of Nadra chairman through a royal order and now corruption and ill-gotten money is being whitened by offering a special package to the elite,” retorted ANP’s Haji Muhammad Adeel.

Haji Adeel and independent Senator Abbas Afridi from Fata, who sits on the treasury benches, came hard on Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and its Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government for blocking transportation of goods to Afghanistan.

Adeel said that Pakistan had signed certain agreements with regard to Nato supplies but these had been halted by PTI workers while the federation was silently watching all this. “We don’t want drones, we also want that the arms in Afghanistan brought there by the coalition forces are withdrawn,” he said and noted some parties were silent when arms were being taken to Afghanistan and now raising hue and cry when these were being taken out. :((

The senator from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa alleged these parties wanted that these arms be used against Pakistan and Iran and other countries once the coalition forces had pulled out of Afghanistan.

MQM’s Tahir Hussain Mashhadi said that when the government came into existence in June, people had high expectations but what so far had they seen was totally against their expectations, as the government was looking after only the right and elite.

He cautioned that the government would have to do something for masses otherwise this set-up would not move forward.Senator Abbas Afridi, referring to PTI’s blockade of supplies to Afghanistan, charged that it was happening only in Pakistan that a political party’s leadership was asking people to take the law in their hands and said Pakhtoons relied only on trade and transportation but today both these days stood disrupted.

Pakhtoons are the main target of PTI’s move, as they can halt supplies at Karachi or in Balochistan but why they are doing it only in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Nato traffic is just two percent of total transportation to Afghanistan,” he claimed.

PML-Q’s Kamil Ali Agha, Saeed Ghani and Khalida Parveen of PPPP said statistics bore testimony to the fact that Pakistan never faced this much price spiral of essential goods, which people experienced these days due to indifference of the rulers.

They noted that during a recent meeting of the House standing committee on water and power, it was revealed that 26,000 cases were filed about power theft and mill and factory owners were also found guilty but only four were fined Rs5,000 each.

The senators wondered where was the leadership that had promised to end line losses and power pilferage. Ghani said PPP government was blamed for inflation and printing Rs500 billion annually and this government since June had printed Rs900 billion notes. He suspected something fishy in the statement of Finance Minister Dar that dollar would be brought back to Rs98. “If they promise to bring its value down then why they let it spiral to Rs112,” he asked.
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Last attempts before the big bad NaMo comes on to the throne?
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Just to add, Naseeruddin Shah wants to spend a year in Lahore and has been smitten by the Pakis.
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How come these Pak admirers never have said anything about the minority oppression in Pakistan? At least the oppression of some sects of Muslims if not other religions. I think theirs' will be a standard reply if asked for a comment - "Islam is a religion of peace. Islam followed by Taliban is not real Islam. They are misleading people".

Kudos to Feroz Khan who went to Pakistan and showed Pakis their place. Musharraf banned Feroz Khan from entering Pakistan :lol:
Some of the remarks made by Feroz that evening was “India is a secular country; Muslims there are making a lot of progress. Our President is a Muslim, the Prime Minister a Sikh. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam, but look how Muslims are killing each other here.” After Feroz made these statements it was decided by the entire visiting Indian delegation to keep him out from the remaining events, which included a meeting with the Pakistani President himself.
"Indian delegation" consisted of Mahesh Butt, Shatrughan Sinha among others.

http://www.bollywoodmantra.com/news/ind ... istan/1179
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One more attempt by Pakistan to regain through other means what it lost comprehensively on the battle ground.
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Anindya wrote:Yet more documented evidence of Pakistani government funding terror...
ISI using cross-border trade to fund Hizbul Mujahideen: NIA
We have to understand the most basic thing. Pakistan *shall* use every opportunity to destroy us. This is the very basis on which we should work. India *must* approach Pakistan like the black plague that it truly is and do everything in its powers to destroy that nation.
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^^and if there is any rational position as to why above should not be the case please put it down here... Let us examine it, and see whether it as any merit. Be clear, a rational case...
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As usual, every institution in Pakistan supports this kind of activity...

PAKISTAN: Two young scheduled caste Hindu women were raped by Muslim landlords; one of them was later murdered
Ms. Kakoo Kohli (24) and her elder sister, Nallan (26), who belong to the Jane sect of the Hindu religion, were residents of Goth Lalu Shar, Umarkot district, Sindh province. They were both raped by Mr. Mohammad Khadim Shar and his brother Mr. Sirajuddin Shar, the sons of the landlord and the owner of the village, Mr. Lalu Ilyas Shar.

On October 18, the perpetrator, Mohammad Khadim Shar took his brother Sirajudding Shar with him and attacked Ms. Kakoo's house at gun point and restrained all the members of the Kohli family, including the mother and father. Khadim raped Kakoo and Siraj raped Nallan in front of their family members. After the rape, the attackers threatened the family that if they report the incident to anybody they would be killed. However, after the incident, Kumar Veerji Kohli, the father of Kakoo and Nallan took the victims to the Shadi Pali police station to report the rape. However, as usually happens, the police refused to file the report until they completed their investigation. After two days the police agreed to file an FIR which infuriated the main perpetrator, Khadim Shar. The police arrested Sirajuddin Shar but allowed Khadim to abscond. Sirajuddin was able to obtain bail.

In the meantime, the Umarkot police, on the instructions of the landlord, arranged a Jirga, an illegal court declared by the high court of Sindh, consisting of elders of the area. The Jirga compelled the victims and her family to reach a settlement with the perpetrators and this was sanctioned by the Judicial Magistrate. The police officials were happy to serve the landlords and the case against the perpetrators was withdrawn.
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What is this "Scheduled Caste hindu" in Pakistan? Scheduled caste in India are the castes listed in the Schedule of the constitutional order of 1950 in the Indian constitution. Does Pakistan now follow Indian constitution?
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kish wrote: “Army’s mother document” says growing Indian military power “disturbs strategic equilibrium of the region
Pakistan’s official Army Doctrine calls on the country to “invoke disproportionate responses” in future wars with India,
What is this ridiculous idea of 'strategic equilibrium' ? The feverish, delusional mind in its delirium may imagine so many things but they are patently false. There could never have been a strategic equilibrium at any point in the 66 year existence of India and Pakistan. The gap was always unbridgeably pronounced and it is becoming increasingly pronounced and in a few years' time it will be more increasingly pronounced. Pakistan can do nothing about that except to keep bemoaning.

On another point, the 'disproportionate response' is an euphemism for 'nuclear attack'. All that the Raheel Sharif-induced doctrine would have done is to lower the redlines a few notches. At this rate, it will become very dangerous for Pakistan itself. Already, TNWs have the potential of falling into jihadist hands, if it has not already happened. In their delirium of lowering the bar more and more, if they move from un-mated systems to mated systems moving about the lawless, jihadi infested country with brainwashed Islamist soldiers as the members of the SFC, it is a sure recipe for a catastrophe. A time will come when the world, including the current Protector, China, would realize the dangerous situation in Pakistan and do something about it.
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Very relevant -

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SSridhar wrote: if they move from un-mated systems to mated systems moving about the lawless, jihadi infested country with brainwashed Islamist soldiers as the members of the SFC, it is a sure recipe for a catastrophe.
if you go by some of the stuff in the (more intelligent parts of the) press over the past few years, this has already happened, atleast through the busy streets of some of their equally lawless cities
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SSridhar wrote:
Just to add, Naseeruddin Shah wants to spend a year in Lahore and has been smitten by the Pakis.
just shows fish rot from the head and when societies have no moral grounding everything goes/sab chalta hain. even otherwise sane people can get bitten by the wkk bug and succumb.
heck naseeruddin shahs own cousin was a col in the army IIRC (t-72 tanker).

bhatt is of course a different sort altogether and is a disgrace.
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SSridhar wrote:What is this ridiculous idea of 'strategic equilibrium' ? The feverish, delusional mind in its delirium may imagine so many things but they are patently false. There could never have been a strategic equilibrium at any point in the 66 year existence of India and Pakistan. The gap was always unbridgeably pronounced and it is becoming increasingly pronounced and in a few years' time it will be more increasingly pronounced. Pakistan can do nothing about that except to keep bemoaning.

On another point, the 'disproportionate response' is an euphemism for 'nuclear attack'. All that the Raheel Sharif-induced doctrine would have done is to lower the redlines a few notches. At this rate, it will become very dangerous for Pakistan itself. Already, TNWs have the potential of falling into jihadist hands, if it has not already happened. In their delirium of lowering the bar more and more, if they move from un-mated systems to mated systems moving about the lawless, jihadi infested country with brainwashed Islamist soldiers as the members of the SFC, it is a sure recipe for a catastrophe. A time will come when the world, including the current Protector, China, would realize the dangerous situation in Pakistan and do something about it.
perhaps it means jihadist attacks too. anything is possible in la-la land where they assume other side are lalas willing to bear any attack.

all this delusion is possible because MMS and co, deliberately or otherwise, sabotaged the rearming and modernisation of indian conventional forces (inductions are ad hoc and only plug gaps) and also defanged internal security, making it into a political game. all this has emboldened the pakis.
US money has meant conventional rearmament and more money for nukes. MMS behavior has meant everything from 26/11 to LOC attacks go unpunished.

but its still delusion. because despite all this india remains much more powerful. and people will stand up and get things done. i mean vk singhs letter about ammo unpreparedness got leaked to target him. instead, it resulted in situation getting redressed, even if people made (as usual) money on the side by buying overpriced ammo.

having said this, paki delusion is encouraged by GOI muddle headed behavior in the past. a firmer policy is required and a consistent one
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vivek_ahuja wrote:Only Death in the name of allah for blasphemers
humiliation of any prophet was intolerable and the one doing so should be given only death sentence
AOA onlee
All prophets?
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habal wrote:
had a big lol at this so-called "theory" because all India needs to do is to demolish Pakjab and the few points in other states that are even somewhat sympathetic to Pakjab. What disproportionate nonsense are they talking about ? Disproportionate or proportionate, Pakjab will made a wasteland and that will be the end of Pakistan and it's flop nazariya. Baloch, Sindhis & Pakhtuns will take over and they will have entirely different nazriye than these inbred 'neither here nor there' pakjabi. Also Balochi, Sindhis & Pakhtuns are proud of their identity and do not hanker after any arabic identity, turkic identity, or Central asian mish-mash identity unlike pakjabi ahl-e-hadis. They have inherent self-esteem and are comfortable in their identity.

Pakistani "think-tanks" and armchair strategists do not realize the disproportionate force India can bring to bear upon a relatively small area like Pakjab in case of a war. They sit in their well (pakjabi kupa-manduka) and think they hide invisible in some mountains.

Just because a Paki is not from Pakjab doesn't mean that he is a reasonable person. There is no guarantee or even a hint that non-pakjabis are any better
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matrimc wrote:
Anujan wrote:Hasnt there already been 4 wars? '48, '65, '71, '99 -- which of these is he not counting?
Probably the last one - Kargil - when he was summoned by Kilton saab and got guboed.

Dear Paki Begharat Begger ,
The size 72 Glove used on Nawaz's Wazzoo in 99 is on sale now on Ebay. Please to buy and collect the National Treasure to put on top of the foreign funded Mazar of Jinnah.
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Posting in full :

NAWAZ SHARIF SEEMS TO HAVE LEARNT NO LESSONS
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By not appointing as Army chief an officer with a proven track record of fighting the Taliban, the Pakistani Prime Minister has demonstrated that he is unwilling to bite the bullet
Superseding six serving officers, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who never tired of boasting how he had got the better of Indira Gandhi in Simla, had appointed the obsequious General Zia-ul Haq as Pakistan’s Army chief. Describing this appointment as her husband’s greatest mistake, Begum Nusrat Bhutto told me in 1982 that he had been carried away by Gen Zia’s professions of eternal loyalty. There was even an occasion when, the Quran in hand, Gen Zia swore before Zulfiqar Bhutto: “You are the saviour of Pakistan and we owe it to you to be totally loyal to you”. Barely a year later, on July 5, 1977, Gen Zia ousted Zulfiqar Bhutto in a military coup staged by the Army’s infamous Rawalpindi-based 111 Brigade. On April 4, 1979, Gen Zia had the person he described as the “saviour of Pakistan” hanged, after a farcical trial.
Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is a product of Gen Zia’s military rule, enjoying a meteoric rise under the patronage of his military Governor of Punjab, General Ghulam Jilani Khan. It was a period when Gen Zia was bent on destabilising India’s Punjab province. Mr Sharif’s fondness for contacts with ‘Khalistanis’, like the Washington, DC-based Ganga Singh Dhillon continued even through his second term. When Benazir Bhutto was voted to power in 1988, Mr Sharif made common cause with the Zia-appointed President Ghulam Ishaq Khan, Army chief General Aslam Beg and ISI chief Asad Durrani. Benazir Bhutto was ousted and Mr Sharif’s Muslim League was swept to power in 1991. His ISI chief, a fundamentalist member of the Tablighi Jamaat, General Javed Nasir staged the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts, with assistance from Dawood Ibrahim. Mr Sharif was sacked shortly thereafter by President Ghulam Ishaq Khan, but restored to office by the Supreme Court. When the Army chief, General Asif Nawaz, with whom he had serious differences, died in mysterious circumstances, Mr Sharif superseded three senior officials to appoint the soft spoken General Waheed Kakkar as the new Army chief. Gen Kakkar sent Mr Sharif packing from office soon thereafter.
Mr Sharif learnt nothing from this experience. He unceremoniously forced the resignation of his Army chief General Jehangir Karamat after he was re-elected in 1997, only to appoint a Mohajir, General Pervez Musharraf as his Army chief, believing the latter could be kept in check. Mr Sharif superseded a highly rated Pashtun, Lieutenant General Ali Kuli Khan. Believing that the nuclear tests of 1998 had given him unparalleled popularity and power, and disregarding the fact that he was ruling a bankrupt country, Mr Sharif encouraged and participated in Gen Musharraf’s Kargil misadventure. When the misadventure became a fiasco, and he was forced to rush to the Clinton White House for a bail out, Mr Sharif threw the entire blame on Gen Musharraf for the international disgrace and disrepute his country faced, following the Kargil misadventure. Growing mutual distrust and animosity between Mr Sharif and Gen Musharraf led to the coup of October 12, 1999, with the Prime Minister being incarcerated and later bailed out by the Saudis.
Mr Sharif and the Army establishment share much in common. Both have a proven track record of proximity to Mullah Omar and the Afghan Taliban. Both have close links with Hafiz Saeed and the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba. Mr Sharif also has close links with extremist anti-Shia groups like the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. But, Mr Sharif is averse to ceding almost total powers to the Army, and playing second fiddle on national security and foreign policy issues, like President Asif Ali Zardari was compelled to do, by an assertive General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. These are the considerations that motivated Mr Sharif in appointing Lieutenant General Raheel Sharif as Gen Kayani’s successor. Mr Sharif bypassed Lieutenant General Haroon Aslam, who was regarded by commentators within Pakistan as an “average officer” and kicked Gen Kayani’s protégé Lieutenant General Rashid Mahmud upstairs, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee. Gen Raheel Sharif has a reasonable career profile, but is not regarded as likely to set the Indus on fire, by innovation and drive.
What clinched Gen Raheel Sharif’s appointment was evidently his close relationship with Lieutenant General (retired) Abdul Qader Baloch, who is Minister for Tribal Affairs and a confidant of Prime Minister Sharif. If Mr Sharif was really interested in having an Army chief who would deal effectively with the threat posed by religious extremism, spearheaded by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, he should have appointed, as most observers agree, Lieutenant General Tariq Khan who was the next in line for promotion. Gen Khan is a Pashtun armoured corps officer, credited with restoring the shattered morale of the Frontier Constabulary after it was mauled by the TTP. It seems that Mr Sharif still believes that he can buy peace with the TTP, which well-informed observers consider unrealistic and dangerous. Mr Sharif appears to fight shy of appointing Pashtun officers, with distinguished family connections, to the post of Army chief.
As Director General of Military Training, Gen Sharif is known to have stressed the importance of shifting attention, for the present, from an exclusively India-centric approach to focusing on internal challenges. He, however, lacks both the stature and the resolve necessary for ending support either for the Afghan Taliban or anti-India jihadi outfits like the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba. He also has a political boss who has an affinity for jihadi groups, for use both in India and Afghanistan. While the Pakistani Army may remain prepared to take on the TTP, it will not do so under Prime Minister Sharif’s leadership, unless the internal security situation deteriorates significantly and destabilises the Punjab Province. Moreover, as the security situation deteriorates along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, there will be increasing allegations holding Afghanistan and India responsible for the activities of groups like the TTP.
The onset of winter is likely to make infiltration across the mountains of Kashmir difficult. But New Delhi should plan on the assumption that when the snow melts in June 2014, there will a resumption of infiltration and violence. The intervening months give us time to think out a strategy to effectively deal with Pakistan-sponsored terrorism and bring to justice the perpetrators of 26/11. We will hopefully avoid shedding tears for Pakistan being a ‘victim of terrorism’ as we did at Havana, and not de-link dialogue from action on terrorism, as we did at Sharm el Sheikh. India’s South Block mandarins are, however, not alone in being obsessed with ‘uninterrupted and uninterruptable’ dialogue with Pakistan. The senior-most American military official, Admiral Mike Mullen, had 26 meetings with Gen Kayani in the mistaken belief that he could charm the latter into ending support for terrorism. He retired a disillusioned man, bitter with Pakistani duplicity, calling the Haqqani network a “veritable arm” of the ISI.

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New PA Green Book Voices Fear of India-US Axis - Pravin Swamy, The Hindu
The latest edition of the Pakistan Army’s Green Book , a prestigious internal publication with essays by serving officers, reveals mounting fears among its officer corps that the deepening India-United States strategic relationship could pose a threat to the country.

Major-General Shaukat Iqbal, one of the most senior officers writing in the 2011 Green Book , describes what he calls an emerging “Indo-U.S. nexus.”

His essay argues that geo-strategic developments show “all conspiracy theories are getting materialised and [the] Great Game played in the region is posing a serious threat to the security and integrity of Pakistan.”

The two countries hope Pakistan “is tamed and sufficiently weakened to act in form of colonised state which should serve U.S. interest and oblige to the dictates of India” [sic.].

He writes that the United States wishes to “use the war on terrorism as an instrument [to] get [the] Pakistan Army bogged down, weakening its war stamina [and] creating a wedge between religious forces and the Army”{So, TSPA agrees that there is a nexus between the two} . It is also, he says, “disreputing [sic.] and maligning the Pakistan Army and the ISI through actions like [the] raid on Osama Bin Laden’s complex.”

The essay says India has expansionist ambitions, quoting Prime Minister Indira Gandhi — without citation — as saying she would never forgive her forefathers “for accepting the division of India,” and vowing to undo it.{One can be sure that this is total falsehood}

‘India posing threat’

Major-General Ashgar Nawaz, writing on the United States’ interests in South Asia, asserts that Pakistan’s traditional superpower ally is “as much a liability as a friend.” The United States help has allowed New Delhi to “employ contemporary Afghanistan as a springboard for fomenting terrorist activity and instability in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas [FATA] belt on [the] Pak-Afghan border.”

In recent years, Pakistani commentators and politicians have repeatedly claimed that India is supporting elements of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, notably its new Afghanistan-based commander,

General Nawaz writes, in support of his claim of hostile Indian intentions, that in the wake of 9/11, it “nominated Lt. Gen. [Lieutenant-General] (retd) Sawhney, ex Chief of RAW, as their Ambassador in Kabul.”

In fact, India’s first Ambassador to Afghanistan after 9/11 was career diplomat Rakesh Sood. RAW has never been led by a Lieutenant-General, serving or retired, nor anyone called Sawhney. The reference may be to the former Director-General of Military Intelligence, Lieutenant-General Ravi Sawhney, has travelled regularly to Afghanistan in various capacities.
{The TSPA cannot even get its facts right. But, the Green Book is for internal consumption where such lies sell and conspiracy theories fly. They have to fabricate support for their own convenient and comforting theories.}


“I think the interesting thing here is not what the essays say, but the fears that underpin them,” says Sushant Sareen, a Pakistan expert at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi. “There is clearly a pathology at work, which does not allow itself to be inconvenienced by facts.”

Long-standing fears

Fears of Indian expansion have figured prominently in earlier editions of the Green Book , too. The 2010 edition began with an essay by Brigadier Umar Farooq Durrani on “Indian-backed Psychological Warfare Against Pakistan.”

It asserted that the RAW “funds many Indian newspapers and even television channels, such as Zee Television, which is considered to be its media headquarters to wage psychological war.

“The most subtle form” of this psychological war, the Brigadier stated, “is found in movies where Muslim and Hindu friendship is screened within [sic.] the backdrop of melodrama.” “The effects desired to be achieved through this,” he argued, “is to undermine the Two National Theory [as] being a person obsession of [Pakistan’s founding father Muhammad Ali] Jinnah.” {Bad English apart, Pakistanis continue to feel that anything Islamic in the Indian subcontinent must be under Pakistan's possession or custody.}

Interestingly, there is no discussion in the 2011 Green Book of Pakistan’s war against Islamist groups like the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

However, several chapters are devoted to addressing the conventional and nuclear challenges posed by India, and two to the Army’s campaign against ethnic-Baloch insurgent and terrorist groups.

Published every two years by the Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, the Green Book provides rare insights into the organisation’s internal debates. In his foreword to the 2011 edition, the former Army chief, Gen. (retd.) Pervez Kayani, describes it as “a platform where the intellectual context of national security can be crystallised.”
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Talks on Kashmir Can Solve Key issues; Sharif misquoted on Kashmir War - Meena Menon, The Hindu
After the exchange of words on Kashmir by the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan, though Nawaz Sharif’s office denied his reported statement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here clarified on Thursday that talks, as part of a composite dialogue, could resolve key issues.

Responding to Manmohan Singh’s statement that in his lifetime Pakistan cannot win a war against India, Foreign Office spokesperson Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry on Thursday said Pakistan and India needed to address the mistrust that existed between them. Pakistan was committed to a meaningful dialogue as that was the best way to resolve issues and misunderstandings and improve bilateral relations, he said at the weekly media briefing.

‘Sharif misquoted’

Mr. Chaudhry said Mr. Sharif was misquoted on the Kashmir statement. “Pakistan has always extended moral and diplomatic support to the Kashmiri people, and we would like to see a peaceful resolution of the issue based on U.N. Security Council resolutions,” he pointed out in response to a question on Mr Sharif’s statement that he wants to see “India-held Kashmir” free in his lifetime. At the same time, he said Pakistan’s leadership had expressed the desire to have peaceful and good neighbourly relations with India. The resolution of the Kashmir issue would help achieve that broader objective, he said.

“We have always urged the Indian government to engage with us in meaningful and substantive talks to resolve this long-standing dispute, “he said. While pointing that the Kashmiri leadership should be associated with the dialogue process, he said the government wished to have improved relations with India.

He stressed that all issues between the two countries should be resolved through talks. Improved good-neighbourly relations were an imperative for economic development of the region.

In response to a question if a senior Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front leader was thrown out of a hotel in New Delhi, he said human rights of the Kashmiri people living in “India-occupied Kashmir” must be respected.

Wall issue

To another question on reports of India building a wall on the Line of Control (LoC), he said he too had seen these reports. There was an understanding that there should be no major construction within 500 meters on either side of the LoC and this understanding must be respected.

In response to questions on Siachen, he said the country’s position on the issue is clear. “We hope that India and Pakistan engage in a meaningful dialogue as part of composite dialogue to resolve this issue.”

On the statement of Adviser to Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz that Indian troops must pull out of the Siachen Glacier, Mr. Chaudhry said the comments were made on the environmental dimension of the Siachen issue.
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I would rather say India has not learnt any lessons in the last 60 years. Pakis do what they have always done i.e being being unabashed Pakis.
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Ethnic Pakistanis corrupt, not Indians, says UK official
A top British official today said corruption is rife among some ethnic groups in the country, especially Pakistanis, sparking angry reactions from community leaders.

"Some minority communities come from backgrounds where corruption is endemic. We as politicians have to wake to up to it," Attorney General Dominic Grieve told The Daily Telegraph in an interview.

Asked if he was referring to the Pakistani community in his remarks, he said: "Yes, it's mainly the Pakistani community, not the Indian community.
Why .. why I thought corruption was a south asian problem.
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The revision. To the greenbook was in Jan 2013. Is it only now that DDM is writing about it!
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Security threats force Kayani not to move to retirement house
MALSIBAD, Dec 5: Former chief of army staff General (retired) Ashfaq Pervez Kayani may have called it a day but he is still in the line of fire. Indeed, security threats have forced the former army chief to abandon his newly built retirement home and opt for living near the heavily guarded army house.While he was still in service, General Kayani planned to spend his retired life in Islamabad’s Defence Housing Authority (DHA) where he constructed a house with a grey stone finish at a scenic location in Phase 1.However, security experts felt that the house was a security threat because it was impossible to protect the rear end of the house (where the land sloped down to the river).
In his newly adopted neighbourhood, Gen Kayani will enjoy the company of dozens of retired Generals including two former army chiefs — General (retired) Mirza Asslam Baich and General (retired) Abd ullu Waheed Kukkar.
Brigadier (retired) Amjad Kayani, a brother of Gen Kayani, when contacted said that his brother needed a secure house to live in
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^^^ are they saying that it is impossible to defend the backsides of pakistani jarnails?
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Dwindling foreign reserves : Pakistan urges US to fast track release of CSF dues
According to the State Bank of Pakistan, the country’s foreign reserves have plunged to $3.05 billion as of November 29 – a sum sufficient to back an import bill of just three weeks.
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Was it Ayub Khan or anoter TSPAian General who talked about what it would take to bring hindu ( india & its army) on its knee was one big thrust/slap/attack from TSPA/ TSPian muslim ? Fast forward 2013 : TSPA will launch a massive out of proportion counter attack against IA's attack . I never knew that playing with words is the sole responsibility of strategy /doctrine makers in TSPA . Simply put its old wine in new bottle . What's surprising is the fact that 50 or so years have passed and IA went from one re-organisation to another in its troop orientation & doctrine concepts ,TSPA is still stuck in its delusional muslim superior over rest ideology . If this is the level of intellect in senior TSPA officer cadre , one can only wonder about its junior officers who will fill in shoes of such 'brilliant ' users of english dictionary & 'word power made easy' book.
Quote by retired IA's General in Hindu's article about TSPA being unable to find an appropriate reponse against IA's rapid mobilisation capability is interesting . He is right about TSPA roaming in darkness beacause TSPA has never in its lifetime ever formed or thought over any thing remotedly related to strategy for its all borrowed . Its conflict initiation during Kargil was one from PRC & '65 we all know from where . Does it surprise anyone that biggest vocal opponents of IA's cold start doctrine are from western thinktanks . Food for thought .
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satya wrote:Was it Ayub Khan or anoter TSPAian General who talked about what it would take to bring hindu ( india & its army) on its knee was one big thrust/slap/attack from TSPA/ TSPian muslim . . ..
A few well directed blows . . . that was what he said.
. . . TSPA has never in its lifetime ever formed or thought over any thing remotedly related to strategy . . .
It always mistook its tactics as grand strategies. That's how far its intellect runs. The birth of Pakistan itself was such a tactical approach. Jinnah & coterie never thought beyond getting Pakistan on a platter and assuming high positions in the new State. After its tactics ran its course and ran aground and strategic defeat was staring at it, it blamed everyone else except itself for its quandry. The Believers gulped such explanations because they could not accept the reality. This is a self-preserving and self-sustaining cycle helped and abetted periodically by the 3½ Friends.
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