Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 21 Mar 2014 15:32

If it is not a cover-up, then are all the governments really so clueless and "nikammi" ? Will think a 1000 times before getting on a airplane again. Dont want my children to keep wondering and waiting for the rest of their lives.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 15:36

Suspected debris from missing Malaysian jet may have sunk: Australia

"Something that was floating on the sea that long ago may no longer be floating," Deputy prime minister Warren Truss told reporters in Perth. "It may have slipped to the bottom."

But the search is continuing and and Australian, New Zealand and US aircraft would be joined by Chinese and Japanese planes over the weekend.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 21 Mar 2014 15:42

chaanakya wrote:Suspected debris from missing Malaysian jet may have sunk: Australia
"Something that was floating on the sea that long ago may no longer be floating," Deputy prime minister Warren Truss told reporters in Perth. "It may have slipped to the bottom."

But the search is continuing and and Australian, New Zealand and US aircraft would be joined by Chinese and Japanese planes over the weekend.

Debris with AI ! It stayed afloat for almost two weeks and then just before the P-3s came, dive dive dive !!

Stayed afloat for two weeks
the debris with AI
just before the P-3s came
dive, dive, dive !

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 15:46

once the buoys have been dropped and the currents mapped and the hydrographic survey ships start to do their work, they can narrow down the search box a bit more - lots of sea bed sonar studies and eventually something will be found

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 21 Mar 2014 15:46

CT 1.5 : MAS370 is also a China Southern flight most of its passengers are Chinese - is its disappearance a result of a fight between sections of the MSS/Chinese intelligence community with collaboration from Burmese military officials?

We have been seeing a rise in the number of attacks in China blamed on Uighers. What if these are not Uighers carrying out the attacks but simply provocations by factions of the MSS/Chinese Intel competing for political dominance?

China intends to open a pipeline from Kunming to Sittwe. This pipeline runs through the heroin refining regions of Shan state which traditionally supplies most of the heroin/meth to the Chinese "hinterland". MSS factions have traditionally maintained close proximity to these groups. Sections of the Burmese army have built close ties with traffickers in this region. Running a pipeline like this entails giving a baksheesh to the local drug lords to ensure smooth transit. For something as big an ONG pipeline, the overall baksheesh is quite large and most players small pieces.

One of these MSS factions if edged out of the profit-sharing over the pipeline, could take a more aggressive negotiation tactic. Seizing an airliner (lets leave the means of doing that out it for now) and taking it to Burma to an airfield in the Shan State and holding the passengers hostage would allow it to negotiate for a bigger piece of the pipeline pie in Burma.

The Malays would have no clue what was going on because they are innocent bystanders. The ransom demand would be transmitted internally in the MSS/Chinese intel channels and no one outside the channels would see it.

The Burmese would be collaborators, some drug lord's army could be use to provide physical security to the a/c on the ground and secure the passengers, and the Burmese Army would ensure that no one searched the Burmese mainland and keep a tight clamp on any media coverage of unusual events. So no eyewitness reports would emerge.

Malays would go around trying to find the plane and the MSS as a whole would work to cover up anything that could expose their internal squabbles. This would lead to China's role in the whole affair appearing as a persistent distraction - such as pointing in the opposite direction of where anyone might find the a/c.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Mar 2014 16:01

First, everybody was led to search in SCS, then in the Andaman Sea, then in Myanmar etc, and now in southern IO. This is a wild goose chase while somebody is watching all the fun.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Mar 2014 16:05

Am I the only one who finds the level of Chinese involvement in this search extraordinarily high? Now they have deputed another seven ships for this search. Yes, there were 150+ Chinese nationals on the plane but.... In absolute terms that number is just another statistics for the Chinese.

What could be in the plane (in the cargo hold) that the Chinese are afraid would be found by others?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Mar 2014 16:12

Have no fear, the pakis are here (to search for the missing plane on an exclusive basis). Malaysian PM seeks Pakistan’s cooperation in tracing missing jet.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak on Tuesday called his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on the phone and sought his help in tracing Malaysian airline’s missing Boeing 777

Sharif expressed sympathies with him and assured every possible cooperation

Pakistan has saved entire data of the day and time when the jet went missing and would be sharing it with Malaysian authorities

Although there is no evidence that plane headed towards Pakistan but as a goodwill gesture we are sharing our data with Malaysian government

I didn't know that paki radar sweep extended to the Indian ocean?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 21 Mar 2014 16:15

Two updates:
Kazakhstan said on Monday it had not detected any "unsanctioned use" of its air space by any planes on March 8, making it unlikely that a missing Malaysia Arlines jetliner could have been diverted along a northern route via Thailand.
India denies Chinese requests to enter the maritime boundary

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Mar 2014 16:16

what is there for them to share that people like US cant ???

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 21 Mar 2014 16:18

anupmisra wrote:Have no fear, the pakis are here (to search for the missing plane on an exclusive basis). Malaysian PM seeks Pakistan’s cooperation in tracing missing jet.

I didn't know that paki radar sweep extended to the Indian ocean?

First comment in the link

What a misleading heading... Malaysian PM did not call his counterpart to seek Pakistan's intelligence expertise to locate the plane where ever in the world it may be.... instead, he called to request PM Nawaz Sharif to confirm 100% that the plane is not in Pakistan!!!!!

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 21 Mar 2014 16:22

Many pages back I posted this and I still believe the path it took was WMKK IGARI ODONO IKUKO GUNBO ANSOM GUNIP VAMPI GIVAL MAPSO IGREX LULDA LALAT SADUS SUSBA VYNP* (VYNP is only to indicate heading; skyvector). All the while there were intense negotiation with the hijackers definitely with someone somewhere. meanwhile either the negotiation went wrong or the planes system went terribly wrong, or someone shot it down intentionally. Otherwise the hijackers may also have melted away (land route) with few key hostages (rests are killed for sure). The first and second is most likely. I kind of believe that the Indian radars must have seen it somewhere off Diglipur / Mayabunder area. We just don't want to publicly disclose that. We are playing the naive card (and rightly so).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Mar 2014 16:38

If you look up DigitalGlobe, the outfit that provided the satellite photos of alleged debris, their satellites' photography resolutions vary from 31cm to 82 cm.

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 21 Mar 2014 16:41

May be a stupid question but how good Myanmar-Laos border region could be for hiding (human or a dismantled plane)?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 16:44

So you think it is in Nampong?

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 21 Mar 2014 16:52

Not in Nampong of course. but somewhere in that Northern Myanmar region. Then followed a hiding path on NW Myanmar (and may be bordering laos). Myanmar as a country is most probably not be a party to this. But the druglords there probably have few facilities to rent.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Mar 2014 17:01

shiv wrote:OK folks. Put your money where your mouth is and join this crowdsourcing effort to locate the fate of the plane and the por passengers

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

Did some, pages ago on this thread, but that was searching the northern areas, total waste of time?

At this point, I won't join a crowd-sourcing search, while they hold data close to the vest.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 17:04

more likely to be in pat pong, no?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2014 17:09

UBCNews Breaking Toofan!

In a 400% reliable confirmation, it is reliably learned from usually reliable sources who insist on anonymity because they are not allowed to speak to the media but are so reliable that they do that for Rs. 0.5 anyway, that it was Pakistani Satellite Paksat-1R that has provided all the satellite data including the sighting of the two 25-meter sections of soap bubbles from a box of "Al Shabab Fair and Handsome White Dishwashing Detergent" that fell off the Pakistani cruise liner "Guantanamo" last week.

Hey,

And the Chinese also did the ludicrous sea floor seismic event thing !

That strengthens the CT#1 on why the Chinese keep telling the Malaysian guvrmand to come clean - and why they keep up some form of search/patrol in the SCS region. They know it crashed on Malaysian territory but for some reason (blackmail probably) don't want to be the ones to blow the whistle. Must be really bothering them that they cannot tell the relatives why they know. Interestingly though, the day after they detected "sea bottom event in a region where there is no seismic activity" there WAS a 5.5 sea-quake near the Andamans. So that may have been the other explanation for the Chinese "event": a simple seismic precursor.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 17:10

Lalmohan wrote:more likely to be in pat pong, no?

ROFTL

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 21 Mar 2014 17:18

Rajiv Lather wrote:If it is not a cover-up, then are all the governments really so clueless and "nikammi" ? Will think a 1000 times before getting on a airplane again. Dont want my children to keep wondering and waiting for the rest of their lives.

You are probably more likely to get killed in an automobile accident than in a jet airliner which just disappears.

What I don't like is the prospect getting on a jet airliner with a muslim pilot who just got his instructions from God which came through his jihadi mullah. There ia absolutely nothing you can do about it. You pray he is not on a hate wave and anxious to be with the beauties in the after life.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 17:20

more likely to get eaten by a shark

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 21 Mar 2014 17:22

chaanakya wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:more likely to be in pat pong, no?
ROFTL

It's usually spelled as Phat Pong

SeriousLy

I have to revise my opinion about Hollywood projections of Khans capabilities of tracking Johnny Depp I see deep see while hiding from evil government agents

I am not a believer anymore

Meanwhile latest reports from reliable Anderson cooper says one of the pilot is dating mermaid Darry Hannah.....

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 21 Mar 2014 17:24

Myanmar clearly has the most number of private armies, guns-for-hire in the region and most number of long runway airfields with secure perimeters around them. Why has the Burmese mainland not been searched? Malaysia keeps reaching out to Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and all those places in CA, but only the most rudimentary requests have been made to Myanmar and that too only to search the Gulf of Martaban, Bay of Bengal and the area around the Coco Islands. Given that Myanmar has poor AD coverage and almost no interest in pursuing any search on its own, one would think it is the most likely place to look for a missing airplane and yet... we do not see such action at all.

And we have the case of the dog that can't seem to bark, the super duper power of China which is completely powerless even though an aircraft filled with Chinese citizens has disappeared in an area that Chinese consider strategically important.

Every CT on the web is pointing fingers at the Malays, the US, the Aliens ... but why no fingers pointed at the Chinese?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 21 Mar 2014 17:27

Since people will be looking for this plane for some time in the near future, what are the parts from a Boeing 777 which can be stripped off and re-used in a more elaborate plan in the near future?
Is it the Wings? the Engines? Electronics? Fuselage?

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 21 Mar 2014 17:29

TSJones wrote:
Rajiv Lather wrote:If it is not a cover-up, then are all the governments really so clueless and "nikammi" ? Will think a 1000 times before getting on a airplane again. Dont want my children to keep wondering and waiting for the rest of their lives.
You are probably more likely to get killed in an automobile accident than in a jet airliner which just disappears.

Automobile, what automobile ? Am a below-the-poverty-line, doing-it-out-in-the-open, Indian.

You are 1000 times more likely to be killed by your own cops or in a genocidal war.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 21 Mar 2014 17:36

Rajiv Lather wrote: Automobile, what automobile ? Am a below-the-poverty-line, doing-it-out-in-the-open, Indian.

You are 1000 times more likely to be killed by your own cops or in a genocidal war.

Being on the A-Team I don't worry about that.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 17:57

yes, tsj loves it when a plan comes together

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 21 Mar 2014 18:22

A hijacked plane may not look like a plane once its utility is over. It wont take more than 48 hours, few gas cutters and labours to strip it down. Keeping few hostages alive inside deep jungle is no big deal. Briyani + raita [sans the biriyani of course] will do just good. building few makeshifts bamboo camps are all one need. Staying close to chineese border has its own advantage. Search by international (read western) teams will be very inconvenient for the PLA itself. JMT.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Mar 2014 18:22

Guys, it seems that US/Aussies located these satellite images last Sunday, so the coordinates were the ones estimated then. I would think once spotted, the satellite ought to be tracking whatever it is they spotted?

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 21 Mar 2014 18:24

there was seemingly an emergency diversion with the first u-turn with a heading towards Penang, why couldn't they land then and another diversion near IGREX? to what end

if this is deliberate, the Penang to IGREX waypoint section crosses the routes towards Colombo-Male and DG, those are the right routes to take if he had a southerly course in mind

we may not know if there was a seesaw between good forces and bad forces

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 21 Mar 2014 18:26

IMO, the best thing about this whole episode is that it exposes the capabilities of the so called sooperpowers, and soopelpowels. They all have eggs on their face after bleating for so long they can literally see everything, hear everything, remote control everything, and have the best and sophisticated machines and processes that has been triple checked, validated and FDA (ok, it is FAA in this case) approved.

Everyone of these claims have been proven false. In this day and age, why would you make a machine that flies over the ocean, and not have the ability to track it. Boeing supposedly claims that the engine automatically communicates its health periodically even as it is flying. What the heck happened to it in this case? Why would you allow the Pilot or someone to turn off the ACARS from within the plane. Why would you not have automatic alerts when a plane is deviating its predefined path (especially to this extent) Aren't all these stupid? Aren't these basic turdworld precautions that you should have taken? No wonder the sooper power is staying so disengaged in this whole episode, other than some usual meaningless assurances and promises.

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 21 Mar 2014 18:41

vasu sir, how it can turn south without cross A&N. Car Nicobar is on its way. it would be impossible to cross along 10 degree channel without leaving some footprint on Car Nicobar IAF station radar (all the playing down of our retd admiral notwithstanding)

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Mar 2014 18:52

Harpal Bector wrote: Every CT on the web is pointing fingers at the Malays, the US, the Aliens ... but why no fingers pointed at the Chinese?

SHows how deep they are in managing the information about China in global media. Large brigade of informants and money payment to media companies worldwide make sure that China image is well covered.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 19:04

rgsrini wrote: Everyone of these claims have been proven false. In this day and age, why would you make a machine that flies over the ocean, and not have the ability to track it.

not normally necessary, hence doesn't have economic value

Boeing supposedly claims that the engine automatically communicates its health periodically even as it is flying. What the heck happened to it in this case?

nothing, it continued to work whilst it was powered up and in VHF station range

Why would you allow the Pilot or someone to turn off the ACARS from within the plane.

lots of reasons - malfunction, power supply problem, non payment of fees, etc

Why would you not have automatic alerts when a plane is deviating its predefined path (especially to this extent)

why would you? it may be deviating for thunderstorms, or noko missile launches, or a flock of seagulls, or the VOR beacon failing
doesn't happen every day (in fact this hasn't happened for years)

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Mar 2014 19:10

AoA! Roo land is upgrading its search technology. Since the radars the have used have not been able to see the debris because of steep oceans and the multi path and phantom returns as a consequence, they have decided to go to shorter wavelength of the spectrum , ie towards visible light and use a brand new sensor called Human Eyeball MK1

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 21 Mar 2014 19:27

Seriously? CNN asks if Lost-like phenomena is to blame for missing plane
http://www.blastr.com/2014-3-20/serious ... sing-plane

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 21 Mar 2014 19:27

Bibhas, With his penchant to fly between FIRs, could it be between Chennai and Indonesian FIRs? He did the diversion

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 21 Mar 2014 19:29

Harpal Bector wrote:And we have the case of the dog that can't seem to bark, the super duper power of China which is completely powerless even though an aircraft filled with Chinese citizens has disappeared in an area that Chinese consider strategically important.

If after this someone says the Chinese Navy and Air Force are a threat to us, am personally going to stomp on them. Let us prepare ourselves to tackle Somali pirates; much more worthy opponents.

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Mar 2014 19:47

Deleted. Wrong thread.