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For once, I agree with Sanku.

Perfection getting in the way of good.

Some of the posters here are getting ahead of themselves here. A slight deviation from the script has NaMo/BJP has them distraught. They all want to score a century in 1 ball!!

We should wait and re-assess after NaMo's first term. All this Rhona Dhona about secularitis is premature.

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SwamyG wrote:Vamsee wrote a good short blog on how SM can do some micromanaging of politics.

All these takleef by supporters is good and bad. BJP reacting to bursts from supporters has its downfall. It is akin to public companies focusing on quarterly results and immediate concerns of shareholders.
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vnmshyam wrote:For once, I agree with Sanku.

Perfection getting in the way of good.

Some of the posters here are getting ahead of themselves here. A slight deviation from the script has NaMo/BJP has them distraught. They all want to score a century in 1 ball!!

We should wait and re-assess after NaMo's first term. All this Rhona Dhona about secularitis is premature.

My do paisa.
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kapilrdave wrote:After 20 years, we should target to be at the place where US is today. No political leader can openly support islam. Even the president must feel ashamed of being a M and it becomes necessary for him to hide his identity. Tathastu.
OT: so you think Obama is a Muslim?
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Singha wrote:its being reported in MSM that namo met sabir ali in person march6 under umbrella of some guj workers and okayed his inclusion.
if so, its a serious miss by him not consulting the rest of leaders and getting more data on the guy. it could also be a canard to tar namo.

sabir ali says if link between him and bhatkal is proven he will retire from politics, and that we he will await clearing of doubt about him.

Sabir Ali will work extra hard to show the IM and INC links despite the 3 letter agencies mopping them up. Doggy and others must be panting.
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any one watching newsx? Madhu's documentary on modi is being telecast it seems.I cant even access the website
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krishnan wrote:cant it (Delhi Assembly) be reactivated ???
The deal seems to be a

(UPA-III + Third Front + Fourth Front) Govt at the Center under Nandan Nilekani and a Kejriwal Govt in Delhi. For the big house, Kejriwal has to run around India and try to stop NaMo.

If NaMo comes, no AAP Govt in Delhi. Kejriwal has to work hard to stay on as CM of Delhi. It is not as if he threw up his hands in the air and ran away!

He can't touch Sheila Dixit, because then he wouldn't get support of Congress. Mind you, the Congress did not withdraw their support to him, which would have caused the collapse of his govt. and new elections. Kejri simply resigned, and that allowed Delhi Assembly to go into suspension, for it is not as if a certain player does not have a majority in Assembly.

Also see that biggest card Nandan Nilekani is playing is not his corporate experience but Secularism. For it is the umbrella of Secularism that all the little parties would come running to Delhi and crown Nilekani as PM. Crowning the clown prince would be Congress coming to power, but crowning Nilekani would be crowning an apolitical secular non-corrupt technocrat business-friendly man.

Nandan Nilekani is the biggest snake out there and he is a Washington Candidate. MMS was nothing in comparison.
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^ modi talking about his first 100 days in power in gujarat. Giving examples on how he changed the mindset of babbus by making them answerable and giving them freedom to find solutions within current structure. Basically applying standard project management skills.
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BhairavP wrote:Actually, Tariq Aziz is Christian.
That is why he was fair and balanced
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BJP-led NDA to win 233 seats, Congress-led UPA facing major rout may get only 119 seats: ABP-Nielsen Opinion Poll -
New Delhi: If Lok Sabha elections were to be held today, Narendra Modi-led Bharatiya Janata Party will emerge as the front-runner, according to ABP News-Nielsen National Poll.

The latest pre-poll survey predicts a big surge for BJP from the last election, taking the seat count for the National Democratic Alliance that it leads to 233. That compares with 159 Lok Sabha seats for NDA in 2009.

The Opinion Poll has found that NDA is set to win 233 seats in the 543-seat parliament while the incumbent UPA-II government is projected to win mere 119 seats.

According to the projection, BJP alone will get 209 (won 116 seats in 2009) seats. The Congress is projected to get only 91 (won 206 seats in 2009) seats--115 less than 2009 seat position in the Lower House.

The non-UPA and non-NDA parties seem to be holding a key share of national vote bank, reveals the survey.

The poll forecast that the BJP would win the lion's share of the vote in many of the big states that typically decide the fate of the polls.

Let’s look at how these states are faring in the Survey conducted

SOUTH: 134 seats

Karnataka: 15 seats from Karnataka’s 28 could go BJP’s way while 10 seats likely to be won by Congress. JD(S) 3.

Kerala: In Kerala, CPM is forecast to win 5 seats, while Congress could add 8 seats to its kitty out of the 20.

Tamil Nadu: Jayalalithaa’s AIADMK is seen winning 21 seats out of 39 in Tamil Nadu. DMK gets 10. Congress may win only 1 seat in Tamil Nadu.

Andhra Pradesh: Out of 42, 9 seats could go to Congress. TDP 7, TRS 7, YSRC 17. AIMIM to get 1 seat here. Others 1

Goa: Out of 2, Congress and BJP get one seat each here

EAST: 142 seats

Bihar: BJP is predicted to emerge as the largest party in Bihar, with 19 (won 12 seats in 2009) of the state's 40 seats. Lalu’s RJD gets 10. JD-U gets 6. Congress 2. LJP 2. Others 1.

Assam: Out of the 14 seats in Assam, 8 seats could be captured by the Congress. AGP 1, BJP 3, BPF 1. AUDF 1.

West Bengal: Mamata Banerjee’s Trinamool Congress is set to win 28 (won 19 seats in 2009) seats outs of 42, CPM could hold on to 7 here while Congress may latch on to 2 in West Bengal. CPI 2, AIFB 1, BJP 1, RSP 1.

Orissa: BJD is set to win 17 out of 21 seats in Orissa, 2 go to the BJP. Congress 2.

Jharkhand: Out of 14 LS seats here, BJP is seen doing well. It could win 10 seats. JMM 1, Congress 1. Others 2.

WEST: 116 seats

Maharashtra: BJP to win 19 (won 9 in 2009) of the 48 seats in Maharashtra. 8 seats go to Congress in Maharashtra while NCP gets 5 seats. Shiv Sena gets 12 (won 11 in 2009) here. MNS 1, Others 3.

Madhya Pradesh: BJP could bag 23 of Madhya Pradesh’s 29 seats. Congress to manage just 5. BSP 1.

Gujarat: BJP to capture 21 out 26 seats from PM nominee Narendra Modi’s home turf Gujarat. Congress to manage just 5 each in the two states.

Chhattisgarh: 9 out of 11 seats here for the BJP. Congress gets 2.

NORTH: 151 seats

Uttarakhand: 5 out of 5 here for the BJP

Uttar Pradesh: Of the total 80 seats in UP, 11 are likely to go to the Congress-RLD combine, 38 to BJP, 17 to BSP, 12 to SP, 1 to AAP and 1 to Others.

Rajasthan: Rajasthan again where BJP is in power could give 20 seats to the party from the state’s electoral share. Congress set to win 5 here.

Punjab: In Punjab (13 seats), BJP is likely to get 2 seats. Congress could get 6 seats while Shiromani Akali Dal 5.

Delhi: Debutant AAP could get 3 seats out of 7. BJP likely to get 3 while Congress projected to win 1.

Haryana: BJP likely to win 9 out of 10 seats. One goes to Congress.

Himachal Pradesh: BJP gets 4 out of 4 here. Congress routed.

Chandigarh: AAP sweeps the single seat available here.
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Jammu and Kashmir: UPA gets 3 here. BJP, PDP and others 1 each.


NDA’s vote share percentage is seen at 32% while UPA’s is projected at 26%. Left has 5% while Others take around 37% overall.

Figure below displays the break-up of seats:


UPA 119: East 22 (142) North 27 (151), South 35 (134), West 25 (116)

NDA 233: East 37 (142), North 87 (151), South 21 (134), West 86 (116)

Left 23: East 14 (142), North 0 (151), South 9 (134), West 0 (116)

Others 170: East 59 (142), North 37 (151), South 69 (134), West 6 (116)

The Survey was conducted between March 9- March 16, 2014. More than 29,000 people across the country were interviewed for the poll.
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on NewsX iview of Modi causing severe burnol

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3f917ffe-b0f2 ... z2xN7a1Df8

Indian election: Generational shift
By Amy Kazmin
Young people are switching from Congress to the BJP, which has promised to create 10m jobs

"The son of an uneducated subsistence farmer in India’s Hindi heartland, Anil Kumar Bahe, 25, watched as his parents faithfully voted for the Congress party, which casts itself as the champion of poor families such as his. But in India’s upcoming parliamentary election, Mr Bahe, who is completing a postgraduate degree in chemistry, plans to break from his family’s political tradition.

Mr Bahe, who aspires to a position as a state college lecturer or a job in one of India’s many private pharmaceutical companies, says he intends to support the centre-right Bharatiya Janata party, whose prime ministerial candidate, Narendra Modi, has vowed to create 10m jobs for the young if he comes to power.

Promises of job creation appeal to the chemistry student far more than the high-profile social welfare schemes launched over the past decade by Congress, which Mr Bahe says have not even touched his remote village in the state of Madhya Pradesh. “We’ve heard about these schemes but we don’t see any signs of them being implemented,” he says. “But rather than being given money and handouts, people should be given opportunities.”
Mr Bahe’s attitudes and electoral preferences reflect a dramatic social shift in India that is shaking the political establishment. This shift is being driven by the rising aspirations of youth from humble rural and urban backgrounds, who are desperate to avoid the lives of grinding toil of their parents and find a place in a modern, globalised economy.

Indians born around 1991, when New Delhi began to dismantle extensive controls over the economy, are coming of age and are hungry for the trappings of a comfortable middle-class lifestyle.

This post-liberalisation generation – those between 18 and 23 years old – will account for at least 65m, or about 8 per cent, of India’s 814m eligible voters in the election, giving them considerable influence on the outcome. For most of these young voters, jobs and opportunity are the main concern as they prepare to choose between the incumbent Congress, opposition BJP, anti-corruption Aam Aadmi party, and a flurry of state-level parties.

“We want good education, better jobs and a good life,” says 18-year-old Jay Ramteke, a farmer’s son who is studying geology at the government university in the Hindi heartland town of Sagar. “Everybody is talking about Narendra Modi. Now we have to see: can he deliver?”

Interviews with scores of young people, many from humble, rural backgrounds, at government and private colleges in Sagar suggest it is Mr Modi who is most successfully connecting with the aspirations of young Indians. There is widespread disillusionment with Congress and doubts about AAP’s credibility.
“Congress has not done anything – the only thing they’ve done is promote corruption,” says Ranjit Singh, 21, a commerce student, whose father is an army contractor. “Our only hope is Narendra Modi. If he comes as prime minister, development will take place.” His friend and fellow commerce student, Rohit Hasreja, 21, whose father owns a small bakery, says: “Modi doesn’t fear anyone and he takes whatever decisions he thinks are necessary.”

The Hindu nationalist BJP first established itself on the national scene in the 1990s, with inflammatory rhetoric about restoring the mythic glories of India’s ancient, pre-Islamic past. But today, Mr Modi has ditched such talk, replacing it with a message focused on economic progress. His speeches are punctuated with “management-speak” to convey his administrative prowess......."
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>>The Hindu nationalist BJP first established itself on the national scene in the 1990s, with inflammatory rhetoric about restoring the mythic glories of India’s ancient, pre-Islamic past.

All myth onlee.
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Indians proud of Indian heritage and culture and using it as a path to show their people hope is myth and inflammatory rhetoric for these sahabs who colonized India and looted its riches.
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RajeshA wrote:Nandan Nilekani is the biggest snake out there and he is a Washington Candidate. MMS was nothing in comparison.
Totally agree. The way be was plonked from Infosys and given Aadhar (a very shady program which looks like being sponsored by CIA) is a dead giveaway of American backing. The guy is a charlatan. Most of Infosys top founders have been subverted by the Goras.
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yes, could have been compromised and blackmailed by GOTUS

U.S. Accuses Infosys of 'Fraud and Abuse' in Visa Case
As it prepared its workers to take on jobs at major U.S. companies, Indian outsourcing giant Infosys Ltd. provided them with written instructions on how to deceive U.S. authorities about the type of work they would do, and furnished them with inappropriate visas to lower its cost of doing business, federal prosecutors allege. ( HELLO MEA , do you remember similar advice given to American Embasssy School Staffers or have you swallowed your pride)

The technology company also entered numerous errors on forms meant to confirm its workers' employment eligibility in this country, part of a pattern one prosecutor called "systematic fraud and abuse."

While denying that it committed visa fraud, Infosys has agreed to pay the largest penalty ever for alleged immigration violations—$34 million—to close the investigation and conclude the civil case, according to a settlement and complaint unveiled Wednesday by the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern district of Texas. The company acknowledged mistakes in filing the federal employment-verification records, known as I-9 forms.
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Infosys is one of the largest outsourcing providers to U.S. companies. European Pressphoto Agency

The government originally pursued criminal charges against the company, which it says would have barred Infosys from obtaining U.S. visas and operating here. But immigration law is ambiguous regarding technology work, according to the lead prosecutor on the case, which gave Infosys attorneys leverage during six months of negotiating over a penalty.

Still, the high-profile case could prompt more stringent requirements for work visas as Congress drafts new immigration laws. It may also spur many corporations to examine their own potential liability in this area. It is already boosting government scrutiny of Infosys' competitors and other companies applying to bring foreigners to the U.S. to perform specialized work, said a State Department official.



Here is how Infosys' practices unfolded, according to federal prosecutors and investigators on the case:

From 2008 to 2011, Infosys "as a matter of practice" wrote "invitation letters"—documents submitted to and reviewed by U.S. consular officials and other immigration officials—that misrepresented the purpose of employees' travel, according to the government complaint.

For example, a letter submitted on or about July 3, 2008, for an individual referred to as MG in the complaint, stated his travel was for "customer discussions and related business development activities." In fact, "as known by Infosys," the complaint said, the individual would actually do coding and programming, work not authorized under short-term business visitor visas, known as B-1s.
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Infosys to Get Record Immigration Fine

The individual should have received an H-1 B visa, a long-term work visa that is more expensive and takes longer to acquire, said agents involved in the investigation, which stretched more than two years.

An H-1B visa typically takes months to be processed in the U.S. and costs about $5,000 per worker; each B-1 costs $160 and can be obtained in a matter of days at a U.S. consular office abroad.

"To circumvent the requirements, limitations and governmental oversight of the H-1B visa program, Infosys committed visa fraud by knowingly and unlawfully using B-1 visa holders to perform skilled labor in order to fill positions for employment that would otherwise be performed by United States citizens or require legitimate H-1B visa holders," according to the complaint.

In a review of 6,500 B-1 visas used by Infosys employees, investigators found hundreds of instances of the documents being used improperly, according to Shamoil Shipchandler, the lead prosecutor in the case.

The federal investigation was conducted jointly by the Department of State's Diplomatic Security Service and Immigration and Custom Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations. The immigration agents found an 84% error rate in the company's I-9s, work-authorization forms that employers complete for each employee, according to an official close to the investigation.

Infosys distributed a "Do's and Don'ts" memorandum to foreign nationals to help them appear that they qualified for a B-1 visa, according to the complaint. For example, they were instructed to "not mention activities like implementation design and testing consulting etc., which sound like work." They were told to avoid using terms like "work" and to "not mention anything about contract rates."

Infosys directed employees to inform customs and border protection officers at airports that their destinations were those listed on a "labor condition application" to avoid additional paperwork and scrutiny, according to the complaint. For example, on or about Oct. 28, 2009, Infosys allegedly directed an individual cited as VG to tell U.S. authorities that he was destined for Seattle when his destination was in fact Bentonville, Ark.

In the settlement, the company said its use of B-1 visas was for "legitimate business purposes" and "not in any way to circumvent the requirements of the H-1B program."

"There's absolutely no evidence that these B-1 visas were used for competitive advantage or to save money or for some illegal scheme—those allegations are not true," said Stephen Jonas, Infosys' lead attorney on the case.

Mr. Jonas acknowledged that the company distributed a memo on how to proceed through immigration. But he says many large organizations that operate internationally, including some U.S. agencies, give employees similar guidance. And while employees were encouraged to use certain terminology when speaking to officials, they weren't instructed to lie, Mr. Jonas said, adding that the memo has since been taken down. "The government hasn't indicated in all these years a single incident when a consular officer was actually deceived," he said.

While the settlement allows Infosys to continue to operate without restrictions on its use of U.S. visa programs, the investigation and fine cast a pall over one of the world's largest outsourcing companies. Bangalore-based Infosys, which made $1.73 billion in net profits for the fiscal year that ended last March, employs 157,000 people and operates in 30 countries. Its U.S. clients have included big-name Wall Street banks, Silicon Valley companies, retail chains and manufacturers, according to investigators. Dow Jones, the company that publishes The Wall Street Journal, is a client of Infosys.

"Their checks and balances and due diligence were totally lacking," the person said. Although the fine is a record for an immigration case, prosecutors had weighed tougher penalties, Mr. Shipchandler said. But immigration law isn't always clear regarding work in the technology field, he said, which strengthened Infosys' position during negotiations, he said.

In recent years, Homeland Security agents have stepped up scrutiny of I-9 forms from meatpacking plants, fast-food chains and other industries as part of a crackdown on the hiring of undocumented foreign workers. In Infosys' case, omissions and mistakes enabled employees to remain in the U.S. after their visas had expired, according to the complaint.

The company denies this was the case. In a statement, Infosys said, "There is no evidence that the I-9 paperwork violations allowed any Infosys employee to work beyond their visa authorization."

"It's not 100% clear what someone who holds a B-1 visa can actually do," Mr. Shipchandler said.

For example, placing someone within a company for six months to do in-house tech support is an improper use of a B-1 visa. But if a consultant helps refine software during a meeting with a client, as part of a larger project, that could be seen as an appropriate use of a visitor visa, Mr. Shipchandler said. "It's a murky area, but for our purposes they misled consular officials."

The investigation was ignited by a February 2011 lawsuit by Jack "Jay" Palmer, an American employee who accused the company of harassment and breach of contract after he raised concerns about possible visa violations. A federal judge in Alabama, where Mr. Palmer worked, dismissed that case. Mr. Palmer cooperated with federal agents investigating the company.

Ken Behrendt, chief executive of Eagle Creek Software Services, a large IT service provider who formerly worked for an offshore company, said he saw "countless examples of companies manipulating or simply breaking the law in regards to visa policy."

The Infosys case could trigger Congress to pass laws that "make it more difficult for legitimate players to jump through immigration hoops to bring workers to the United States," said Susan Cohen, chair of Mintz, Levin immigration law practice in Boston.

Greater scrutiny already is reverberating across the outsourcing industry.

Consular officers are giving applicants from India's IT industry more scrutiny, a State Department security official says. Meanwhile, companies are paying closer attention to the "fine print" of the visa rules, says industry analyst Phil Fersht.

"The Infosys settlement sets the benchmark," said Ian MacDonald, an attorney at Greenberg Traurig in Atlanta who specializes in immigration compliance and has done risk-assessment work. "Any CEO who isn't ordering an immediate assessment of risk and financial exposure…is sitting on a time bomb that can not only result in tax, employment law and immigration liability, but also will likely cause negative publicity and possibly adversely affect stock pricing."
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Part 1 of Madhu Kishwar's interview with Modi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fj3ov4V ... qIy3Y-nTig
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The khujli of Rajdeep and other media morons is expected. Sour grapes and all. I guess the 2002 riots part of the interview will be shown tomorrow,cant wait to see the sickular reaction :D
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rahul_r wrote:Part 1 of Madhu Kishwar's interview with Modi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fj3ov4V ... qIy3Y-nTig
Thanks Rahul_r'ji., the above link is a keeper. I think there is going to be 6 part series and the above is only 1st part.

I think there is a reason why Godhra happened. Modi with converting kutch disaster into an opportunity showed what he is capable of. One rule of the C-System is not to have a capable, sincere, honest, hardworking and smart person as the head. Modi being all that is thus an anathema to the C-System and I believe that the C-System started the riots to get him dislodged. Of course C-System made use of the useful idiots which are bountiful.

Now regarding media anathema., it turns out that Modi stopped all the unnecessary advertisements in the news and that made the media in general angry. Media is a business and they were pimping news for government ad revenue. That was stopped by Modi and hence a marked man by media.

The real win to Modi was in 2007., when everybody felt that a sincere, hardworking person will not be allowed to work. Everything in the kitchen sink, including the kitchen sink was used against him. That was the turning point!

*I think that the next turn of events were to dislodge Modi since the entrenched C-System could not make money out of Kutch disaster.
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^^+100. He gave a blue print for effective governance in India and if everybody started doing it, the C-system would collapse. We need at least 2 or 3 terms of Modi govt. at the center.
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40.0 Telling the IAS guy you are the CM of the worst affected Tehsil, you make the decisions, I will take the responsibility, That is what the best CEO's and leaders are made of.
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nageshks wrote: Victor-ji,
As someone from (or with ties to) the NE, you do know how many Assamese Muslims vote NaMo and/or BJP, do you not? Even Assamese Muslims who stand to lose immensely from Bangladeshi infiltration hate BJP and vote Congress or AGP. When AGP ties up with BJP, the AGP's Assamese Muslim votebank jumps to Congress. You must have reflected on this. I can tell you even this time, in Barpeta where the Assamese Muslims have been at the receiving end from the Bangladeshis, the Assamese Muslims will still vote the Congress and/or the AGP. I think the Muslim vote for the BJP is a myth. It does not exist, it will never exist, until the BJP becomes another Congress (but by then the Congress will have become the Muslim League or the MIM).
+1. When it comes to choice between voting with head vs heart, people invariably choose the latter. Indian Muslims have an instinctive negative gut-reaction against Modi & BJP. The consistent media hate-mongering & self-pity due to pandering by secular parties has just added fuel to the fire.

This election is an opportunity for Indian Muslims to demonstrate that:

a) They, like everyone else, prefer development over ideology
b) They dont vote as a herd

Lets see if either of these happen. Numbers will speak for themselves, though of course, Indian election demographic data analysis is notoriously difficult due to lack of good data. I don't know if we even have religion-wise breakdown of voting patterns per state for the 2004 or 2009 elections. One part of me thinks that this lack of data is by design, like the suppression of the 2010 Census Report

For me, the 2 biggest wildcards/unknowns in this election are:

a) The actual Muslim population of India
b) EVM
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RajeshA wrote: The deal seems to be a

(UPA-III + Third Front + Fourth Front) Govt at the Center under Nandan Nilekani and a Kejriwal Govt in Delhi. For the big house, Kejriwal has to run around India and try to stop NaMo.

.......

Nandan Nilekani is the biggest snake out there and he is a Washington Candidate. MMS was nothing in comparison.
Interesting observation. Ties in with the balloon that the Congress is floating now. See this TOI article: Antony hints at 'secular' front; Congress ready to play second fiddle
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Got word through the grapevine that there is going to be a media smear-campaign against Mahesh Giri on Monday! He is the BJP candidate from East Delhi, who is an Art of Living devotee. He was a former Swami-ji before he joined Sri Sri. He is contesting with the blessings of Sri Sri. His opponents are Rajmohan Gandhi & the son of Shiela Dixit. Its a tough fight!

Spread the word on Twitter to watch out. Some AOL volunteers are already starting to spread the word on Facebook

I had tweeted the following yesterday about the anti-national Rajmohan Gandhi. Plz RT and spread the word: https://twitter.com/VogonPoem/status/449765152993193985
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Prem Kumar wrote:
RajeshA wrote: The deal seems to be a

(UPA-III + Third Front + Fourth Front) Govt at the Center under Nandan Nilekani and a Kejriwal Govt in Delhi. For the big house, Kejriwal has to run around India and try to stop NaMo.

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Nandan Nilekani is the biggest snake out there and he is a Washington Candidate. MMS was nothing in comparison.
Interesting observation. Ties in with the balloon that the Congress is floating now. See this TOI article: Antony hints at 'secular' front; Congress ready to play second fiddle
BJP's failure to establish alliances with anti-Congress parties indicates some major issue on part of BJP and Modi's lack of control. So far BJP ran Namo Bhajan campaign where as INC ran perception surveys of goody-goody BJP. INC is yet to launch frontal attack during elections. We still have to see BJP leadership going haywire.

Congress already made deals with CPI except may be in those states they compete with each other. All it has to do encourage third and fourth front parties and cut BJP+ seats 100 below majority.
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TDP is holding out for a deal which greatly favours them, will be ironic if they get wiped out by TRS, KKR and Jagan in this election.
C'babu will have to retire from politics and take sanyas.
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Singha wrote:TDP is holding out for a deal which greatly favours them, will be ironic if they get wiped out by TRS, KKR and Jagan in this election.
C'babu will have to retire from politics and take sanyas.
It is clean fight of TDP vs YSRCP in non-Telangana so no issue of TDP no-doing good there. KKR is one-man army as all his lieutenants joined TDP already. He may have to take TDP support if he has to win his own constituency.

It is however INC vs TRS vs BJP vs TDP in Telangana. If there is no alliance BJP, it is close to 0 for BJP. TDP is not expected to win majority but it has positioned and retained its votebank for next round.

Many of 42 seats from AP are available for INC, third, fourth fronts if BJP is adamant towards anti-congress parties.
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For CBN this is a make or break election. So it is for NaMO and RG as well.
In every scenario SG is a goner.
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Prem Kumar wrote: had tweeted the following yesterday about the anti-national Rajmohan Gandhi. Plz RT and spread the word: https://twitter.com/VogonPoem/status/449765152993193985
He, of all people, should not have resorted to violence. ad I not seen the video where he himself is throwing stones at BJP office and people, I would have been under the impression that he would have been the sane voice among the mob. What a disappointment :!:
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Prem Kumar wrote:Got word through the grapevine that there is going to be a media smear-campaign against Mahesh Giri on Monday! He is the BJP candidate from East Delhi, who is an Art of Living devotee. He was a former Swami-ji before he joined Sri Sri. He is contesting with the blessings of Sri Sri. His opponents are Rajmohan Gandhi & the son of Shiela Dixit. Its a tough fight!

Spread the word on Twitter to watch out. Some AOL volunteers are already starting to spread the word on Facebook

I had tweeted the following yesterday about the anti-national Rajmohan Gandhi. Plz RT and spread the word: https://twitter.com/VogonPoem/status/449765152993193985
AAJ-TAAK already has started it. I watched 10 min. segment on the same constituency and the sarcasm of AAJ-Tak was so dripping that I had to change the channels (to protect my own TV!)

I think in that constituency there is a Modi wave and Rajmohan Gandhi is going to lose. Question is, can Mahesh Giri win against Sandeep Dixit!
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ShyamSP wrote:It is however INC vs TRS vs BJP vs TDP in Telangana. If there is no alliance BJP, it is close to 0 for BJP. TDP is not expected to win majority but it has positioned and retained its votebank for next round.
T people have a soft corner for CBN as he is the one who developed the golden goose AKA Hyderabad. He might have learnt his lesson that a more equal development is better than pockets of excellence.
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https://twitter.com/chinmaykrvd/status/ ... 8515779584
It was Rahul Gandhi gameplan to bring Imran Masood wife to rally and make her cry. To milk emotional votes of Muslims.Shameless fellow

So the leak of the Boti-Boti video etc were all scripted by the C-System? Arrested and then wife paraded in a rally.

https://twitter.com/chinmaykrvd/status/ ... 9086717952
Congress insiders say Rahul Gandhi,Ahmed Patel are encouraging MP's to go on killer communal offensive.Imran Masood,JD Seelam just starters

Smart game plan by C-System. They know that BJP can not counter polarize with the same audacity..? Or is the Moor's Last Sigh
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From teetar: CBN used TDP-BJP alliance smokescreen to poach Cong leaders and prevented them from going to BJP.

ABP News-Nielsen National Poll gives YSRCP 17 and TDP 7. I have heard that the ground situation is completely different. YSRCP may get routed and TDP is in for big time.
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Santosh wrote:From teetar: CBN used TDP-BJP alliance smokescreen to poach Cong leaders and prevented them from going to BJP.

ABP News-Nielsen National Poll gives YSRCP 17 and TDP 7. I have heard that the ground situation is completely different. YSRCP may get routed and TDP is in for big time.
At worst they would have gone to YSRCP. Choices are TDP or YSRCP.

BJP has same image as INC of playing like B-team of Congress during split. If anything BJP gets positive image being in association with TDP. Now if BJP bets only on T mean both Central parties stabbed AP and cheated on promises also.
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Gandhi pariwar mein sala poora foundation hi gadbad tha; wahan se aaj tak sirf kachra aya hai.
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VikramS wrote:https://twitter.com/chinmaykrvd/status/ ... 8515779584
It was Rahul Gandhi gameplan to bring Imran Masood wife to rally and make her cry. To milk emotional votes of Muslims.Shameless fellow
Hmm.. what did RaGa say or do? Mahila-on ka dabaya jata hain OR Mahil-on ko dabaya jata hain?
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What is this c system?
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C-System -> CongI feudal system or CongI Corruption System or CongI Command System

CongI Feudal System -> Divide populations into vote banks to perpetuate rule by few on top of the system. The feudal system is localized.

CongI Corruption System -> All tiers are greased. All the way to the top.

CongI Command System -> "Commanding heights of economy" where the diktats flow from top down and the job of the government is to treat you as a parasite and not give you the facilities you deserve as a citizen. For example the word "District Collectors" is a perpetuation of the British command system into CongI command system where they were tax collectors for the district., CongIs could have changed it to "District Administrators" instead of "District Collectors".

As any system which is entrenched, it will fight back. All cogs (you and me) in the wheel has a stake however small it is - in perpetuating the system. Sometimes we perpetuate the system with our cynicism., sometimes by participating in it and several times by partaking in it. And the system is designed in such a way that you have to both participate and partake.
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negi wrote:Gandhi pariwar mein sala poora foundation hi gadbad tha; wahan se aaj tak sirf kachra aya hai.
Negi: Nehru-Gandhi (nahar ke bazu rahen wale Kaul aur Parsi Gandhi) not that I care but at least let us attribute the gadbad to the right foundation. Give credit where credit us due.
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