Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

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Lack of transportation infra straining logistics: Deloitte
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 234_1.html
( MMS should be personally held responsible for this deliberate sabotage to Infra build up)
Though India is seen as the second-most attractive logistics market after China, issues such as shortage of skilled manpower, poor adoption of technology, with higher costs and lower profitability, have hampered development in this sector, consulting and financial advisory Deloitte said on Thursday.In its report Indian Logistics-Focus on infrastructure creation to sustain and drive growth, Deloitte said, India was a fast-growing economy, with one of the largest consumer markets of automobile, pharmaceuticals, fast-moving consumer goods and retail, which will drive the demand for logistics in the country going ahead.An efficient logistics system reduces the cost of trading, providing an edge and propelling economic activity, said the report.Quoting a McKinsey study, Deloitte said, inefficiencies in logistics infrastructure costs the Indian economy an extra $45 billion, 4.3 per cent of the gross domestic product, every year. The study also warns a 2.5 times growth in freight traffic demand by 2020 (compared with 2010 levels) will strain India's infrastructure further. However, such high demand prospects also present an opportunity for logistics companies in India, said Deloitte.
The Planning Commission has budgeted for an initial logistics infrastructure investment of Rs 4.1 trillion over the 12th Five Year Plan period (2012-2017), double that proposed under the 11th Five Year Plan (2007-2012).
But global and domestic slowdown over two years has stymied overall infrastructure creation, said the report.Creation of infrastructure was also delayed on account of issues related to environmental clearances, land acquisitions, as well as sector-specific challenges, that stalled financial closures for awarded projects or impacted investor interest for new ones, said Deloitte.Highlighting the challenges faced by each of the segment of logistics infrastructure: Road, railway, port and air cargo, the Deloitte report concludes there are three key aspects the sector should look into. One, there is scope for capacity creation and efficiency improvement to ensure improvement on a 'logistics performance index'. Second, the opportunity in each segment is enormous and the 12th five year plan has set ambitious targets for expanding these capacities significantly over the plan period. Third, if the gap between current and potential levels has to be closed urgently, huge private sector investment will be required to bring in both funds and best practices.
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Post-election showdown looms for Raghuram Rajan
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In the above link , The Center + State debt is 70 % under UPA.

but center is 50 % and state is 20 %.

Can some one tell me how does State Debt affects center , Do Central Govt bails the state who has bad debt ? Or its purely a state matter how they fix those debts ?
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Yes, ultimately GoI secures state debt. Else who will buy bonds floated by the geniuses like Akhilesh Yadav and Siddaramaiah!
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Thanks , So eventually State debt non-payment is centers added responsibility.

BTW the no FDI in retail brand is a good thing ?
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How long will it take my reasonable estimates to reach a per capita income of USD 6000 from current USD 1500 ? About a Decade or may be more or less ?
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IMF's GDP projection for the world

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Assuming a nominal CAGR of 13-14% (8% growth, 5% inflation, like we had in the mid 2000s for several years), and current GDP of $1.8 trillion, getting to $7 trillion (~$6000/capita) will take ten years. If that sounds shockingly low, consider that the GDP has already almost quadrupled in the last 12-13 years, and this question asks the same thing.
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"Dreams float on an impatient wind,
A wind that wants to create a new order.
An order of strength and thundering of fire."
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Suraj wrote:Assuming a nominal CAGR of 13-14% (8% growth, 5% inflation, like we had in the mid 2000s for several years), and current GDP of $1.8 trillion, getting to $7 trillion (~$6000/capita) will take ten years. If that sounds shockingly low, consider that the GDP has already almost quadrupled in the last 12-13 years, and this question asks the same thing.
Suraj, How long will it take to get to 8% growth? Can we achieve it for FY 2015-2016?
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If the rupee-dollar exchange rate improves to where it was before the crisis it is going to help in terms of dollar GDP.
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I don't know how long it will take. The main issue with the economy is that industrial output growth has been stagnant (yes, almost zero in real terms) for two years now. Sharply increasing industrial output will significantly boost both that sector and supporting service sector growth due to the multiplier effect generating growth in supporting economic activity.

More importantly, I don't think growth is the issue here, but rather the levels of savings/investment to GDP are. It's not hard to obtain one year of 9% growth soon after a big NDA win, for example. But without investment to back it up, the growth cannot be sustained. For example, the year of the 1987 drought had negative growth, but the year after had ~9% growth due to low base. That's why it's easy to have one good year, since we've already had more almost 3 had years of low growth in a row and low base effect has compounded.

I would be much more interested in how much gross fixed capital formation and savings/GDP are trending upwards. If they move up sharply to mid 30%, that will be accompanied by strong GDP growth figures. If they keep falling y-o-y as they have last three years, we can expect to see stagnant growth due to marginal decrease in new investment.

In my previous post I did not make any reference to USD/INR exchange rate. I assumed a fixed number for that. Of course, a decade of 8% growth will make the Rupee much stronger, which is a hidden gift not assumed in those estimates, because the target GDP figures will be reached much sooner due to Rupee appreciation, if such growth is indeed maintained. However, our primary concerns are growth and inflation - manage those two well and the exchange rate will take care of itself and provide that added bonus.
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Next government should not get into D$ck measuring competitions over 8% growth etc IMHO.
Get down to basics and focus on the details.

Get the following expedited and complete < 3 years.
Right there is 1% GDP growth.

- POSCO
-DFC railway project.

Next up

-CIL. Fix it and get coal production to increase by 100 million tons per year. From the present 500 million to 800 million tons by 2017.

Right there is another 1% GDP growth. Also reduce coal import, fix deficit.

GDP growth will be 7%, bang, no problems.

- Some combination of Solar Power, Metros in Cities, expanded JNNURM or new program with $50 Billion per year for city infrastructure, etc

Another 1%.

Gets our growth to 8%. No problems.

At some point dismantling our Dinosaur PSU’s has to come up. #1 cause of dissaving in the Indian economy.
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Agree with Theo about d|ck measuring. :D

NaMo ideally will formulate a forward thinking plan going at least 10 years with manageable goals which are sustainable in the long run. Not flashy numbers which would collapse because they've been cooked.
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I agree entirely on focusing on investment and project execution. That's what I stated in my previous post too - that what I'm more interested in is the investment/GDP figure. Raise that and growth will take care of itself. There are several things that can be done quickly:
* Get the DFCs done
* GST implementation rollout
* Increase steel, coal and electricity production. We're still stuck at ~85MT/year steel output, when the goal for 2012 was 120MT, set by UPA-1 in 2005. POSCO still remains unfinished and the Mittal project is frozen. Both need to be encouraged with tax holidays if they complete their first phases quickly.

There's really no shortage of things to do, just the will to get it done.
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To fix - Ports, roads/railways leading to ports, kickstart another damn highway project (get khanduri on it!), fix power gen. Major major bottlenecks when cleared will lead to more growth, although they take a few years lead time.
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Suraj,

I think any focus on savings rate, presumably raising it above the present 30% will be a distraction. One can imagine the government messing with the banks and interest rates and such gol-mal. 30% of GDP is a lot of savings IMHO, this is well north of what SoKo or Japan were saving at a similar stage. There is no shortage of cash with governments or banks or even people in India. Once growth gets going savings will rise on their own.

JMT and all that....

The one financial change I would like to see is a district/city/local/municipal bond market for infrastructure.
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Theo: the interest in tracking savings and investment rate is my own perspective, not something I'm implying GoI should do. It's a nice quantitative measure of how execution of projects and encouragement of investment is bearing fruit, on a quarterly or annual basis.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0088e70c-c083 ... z2yWVW7I4M

India to double offshore rupee bond programme
India is set to take a major step toward currency internationalisation with World Bank plans to double its offshore rupee bond programme to $2bn and push leading Indian companies to raise global rupee-linked debt for the first time. The new $2bn programme marks a step-up in Indian attempts to tap fresh sources of global capital and heighten the international profile of its currency, at a moment when the rupee has recovered strongly against the dollar after a series of sharp depreciations last year.The plan also sees India follow a path pioneered by China’s so-called “dim sum” offshore renminbi-denominated bonds, as Asia’s two largest emerging countries accelerate efforts to integrate their economies within the global financial system. The IFC’s bonds are bought and sold in dollars, but are denominated in rupees and offer returns linked to rupee interest and exchange rates. They also have a triple-A rating, guaranteed by the lender.
Hua Jingdong, IFC vice-president, said the $2bn effort would encourage larger Indian businesses to issue rupee debt offshore, potentially marking an important development in the country’s fledgling corporate bond market. “This new programme will be a big step up,” he said. “We have proved that there is global demand for rupee-linked fixed income assets . . . part of the next phase is helping high quality Indian companies tap international investors in rupees, which would shield them from foreign exchange volatility.” The IFC’s plan follows recent statements by Raghuram Rajan, Indian central bank governor, pledging to press forward with rupee internationalisation as an important component of liberalising the country’s financial markets. India has struggled to raise capital to fund badly-needed long-term projects in areas such as power and infrastructure, in part because of the country’s underdeveloped domestic corporate bond market.
Some businesses that managed to raise dollar debt abroad also came under strain as the rupee plunged in value last year. Around half of the $225bn dollar-denominated debt stock held by India’s corporate sector is estimated to be unhedged. The IFC said it would help companies raise offshore rupee debt by guaranteeing an investment grade credit rating and acting as an anchor investor, as it has done in Indonesia and other emerging economies. Eswar Prasad, economist at the Brookings Institution, said the $2bn programme marked a significant stage in India’s attempts to integrate its currency internationally. “This is a small step but an important one, to catalyse the development of a rupee corporate bond market outside India,” he said.“India and China are both trying to develop local currency offshore bond markets, and while India is playing catch-up, it is definitely heading down that same road.”The IFC also confirmed on Thursday it had received permission from India’s finance ministry to begin a separate $5bn domestic rupee debt programme, which it plans to bring to market by the end of 2014.
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Bad news from the industrial and trade sector continues.
Industrial output down 1.9% in Feb, Manufacturing falls 3.7%
Industrial production continued to slide in February, falling to a nine-month low, much below market expectations.

The Index of Industrial Production (IIP) for February fell 1.9 per cent, against a rise of 0.8 per cent in the previous month, data released by the Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation showed on Friday. For the April-February period of 2013-14, industrial output fell 0.1 per cent, compared with 0.6 per cent growth in the corresponding period of 2012-13.

In February, manufacturing, which accounts for 75 per cent of the index, saw a decline of 3.7 per cent in output, against halt in production in the previous month.

Mining saw growth for the fourth consecutive month, with output expanded 1.4 per cent, against 1.9 per cent in January. Power generation saw robust 11.5 per cent growth, against 6.5 per cent in January.

Capital goods output was lacklustre, with the segment contracting 17.4 per cent in February, against a fall of 4.1 per cent decline in January.

Consumer non-durable goods contracted for the first time this year, falling 1.2 per cent, against 4.6 per cent growth in the previous month. This segment was dragged down by a fall of 21.3 per cent in garments output.

The consumer durables segment, which has been contracting through 2013-14, continued to its slide, with output falling 9.3 per cent compared with 8.3 per cent in January. This led to a 4.5 per cent decline in consumer goods output in February, against a 0.5 per cent fall in January. “High retail inflation is one of the factors contributing to a deferral of purchases of big-ticket consumer durables,” said Nayar. In February, Consumer Price Index-based inflation stood at 8.1 per cent.
Imports fall 2% in March, exports see 3% decline
The economy’s woes continued in March, with imports falling 2.11 per cent compared to a year ago and exports recording a 3.15 per cent drop. However, a bigger problem lay in non-oil imports, which contracted about 12 per cent year-on-year, indicating continued slowdown in industrial activity.

The slowdown story was also evident from the foreign trade data for the entire 2013-14, released here on Friday. Exports registered growth of only four per cent, while imports saw a decline of 8.11 per cent. In absolute terms, exports stood at $312.35 billion, against $300.4 billion in 2012-13. The government had set a target of $325 billion for exports. Imports stood at $450.92 billion, against $490.73 billion in 2012-13.

The trade deficit, as a result, fell 27 per cent to $138.6 billion in 2013-14 from $190 billion in 2012-13.

According to Commerce Department data, imports fell to $40.08 billion in March from $40.94 billion in the corresponding month a year ago.


Non-oil imports declined 11.8 per cent to $24.30 billion in March from $27.53 billion a year ago. A YES Bank research estimate showed gold imports stood at $2.76 billion in March, against $3.3 billion in the corresponding month a year ago. This means non-oil, non-gold imports declined 11.10 per cent to $21.54 billion from $24.23 billion in March 2013.

“We are witnessing an industrial slowdown. There is much less demand for metals and machinery, which are raw materials for our industry,” said Madan Sabnavis, chief economist of CARE Ratings. He added the outlook didn’t seem promising till the time a new government took charge after the elections and took policy decisions to spur the economy.

Crude oil imports, however, rose 17.7 per cent to $157.83 billion in March from $134.08 billion a year ago.

Exports contracted for the second consecutive month to $29.58 billion from $30.54 billion in March 2013.
As an even more impressive achievement, car sales declined for the first time in almost 15 years:
Passenger vehicle sales dip 6% in FY14
Passenger vehicle (PV) sales in the domestic market declined for the first time in 13 years during 2013-14 (ended March 31), a drop of 6.05 per cent, despite the cuts in excise duty announced by the government in the interim budget.

Sales in the PV segment (utility vehicles and vans, excluding those of cars and sedans) had previously declined in 2000-2001, by 5.9 per cent. High interest rates, rising fuel prices and uncertain economic conditions are held to have sharply depressed demand for both PVs and commercial vehicles (CVs). Manufacturers cut output in FY14 by around five per cent and 16 per cent, respectively in each of the two segments.

According to Siam data, passenger car sales dropped for a consecutive year, by 4.65 per cent to 1,786,899 units. In 2012-13, car sales in India fell 6.7 per cent, the first decline in a decade. The CV segment showed a fall in FY14 of 20.2 per cent, at 632,738 units.

Vishnu Mathur, director-general of Siam, said: “The CV segment has seen a sales decline for over two years. The stalling of infrastructure development projects, ban in mining activities and overall slowdown in the economy has sharply affected demand. It will recover very gradually.”

During 2013-14, total sales of vehicles across categories, however, were up 3.5 per cent to 18,421,538 units as compared to 17,793,701 units in 2012-13. Volumes grew on the back of strong demand for two-wheelers, particularly scooters. Sales of two-wheelers increased by 7.3 per cent to 14,805,481 units. Demand for motorcycles grew 3.9 per cent to 10,479,817 units; those of scooters went up 23.2 per cent to 3,602,744 units.

In the current financial year, Kirloskar said the industry was “hoping for a moderate growth or at least not to be in negative territory”, provided the new government left excise duty rates unchanged.
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Austin wrote:How long will it take my reasonable estimates to reach a per capita income of USD 6000 from current USD 1500 ? About a Decade or may be more or less ?
we could do a simple mathematical extrapolation of assuming a CAGR and calculating growth on its basis...

However it is difficult to assume that we keep growing at a static rate come what may..other model could be used by estimating the surrogate markers of growth like increase in the per capita power generation..

I could conceptualise and give ballpark estimate... presently we have a per capita power consumption of 90 watts per person... compare it with 450 watts per person of china...800 to 1000 watts/person of the developed world..and 1400 watts /person of unkil...

imagine a middle class family of 4 living on 90 watts per capita power consumption...the family consumes 360 watts. or close to a unit (kwh) every 3 hours or 7-8 units a day or 210-240 units a month...

for the sake of simplicity let us assume that the family receives 24x7 electricity supply...which appliance would the family have when they only consume 240 units a month or 8 units a day ?

2 ceiling fans for 10-12 hours each ... 2 or 3 light sources for 10-15 hours each...would consume 4 out of eight units quota they have per days...what remains is 3 units a day..that can used to generate enough for maybe some extra hours of light source or celing fan or at most charge a cellphone or some radio ...

notice how poor we are ? that is the most we can afford at our levels of per capita income...and 90 watts is the per capita power consumption...it also includes industrial consumption and consumption by railways etc... the actual household consumption is even far worse...

if India becomes a middle income economy ,(per capita $8000) I expect 80% of its household would get close to 24x7 electricity ...and they would own 1 television,one computer, 3-4 cellphones , an upgraded cooling system of sorts, a mid sized refrigerator etc...the family would consume about 25-30 units a day or 600-800 units a month...(an average american household consumes 1000 units a month ,but an average american household size is 2.6 ,but that of India is 4.5, when India reaches 8000 USD of per capita income I expect every Indian to consume 1/3rd elecricity of his american counterpart ..)

In how much time can we add such a capacity ? presently we produce 155968.99 MWs of electricity ...we need to multiply it by 2.5 times to sustain the level of consumption that would be seen in $8000 levels of per capita income ...if we add 20000 mw a year it would take us 10 years to reach that level of electricity generation to sustain per capita income of 6000-8000...
So every state in India would have to add a thermal or nuclear power plant every year..
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Thanks thats was Suraj had mentioned ,So give and take we are looking at 10 years of 8 % growth to reach $8000 per capita GDP.

I am assuming that kind of GDP is sustainable if the World Economy continues its present trend which looks highly unlikely to me looking at situation in US and Europe , at the least we are expecting a 2008 type meltdown by most observers.

But then irrespective of external situation if we can get 8 % GDP via internal growth then we could be more or less insulated from External Shocks.
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actually it is a lot tougher that it appears to be ...for every state to add 1000 mw of electricity a year ,they need to consume that much more coal/gas/oil/leu/heu ...it is inconceivable that more than 15 new nuclear plants would be added in the next decade...so bulk of energy would come from coal/gas/oil...prices of these are highly variable and difficult to predict..

I am not really worried about external shocks...India's trouble would most probably be domestic only...

I personally would be quite happy if we reach 7500-10000 level (current prices) by 2025...if we don't get decent government ,it can well be pretty bad...
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Very insightful article in the WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... reno64-wsj

Excerpts:

"Between 2005 and 2012, as India's industrial and service sectors boomed, farm employment shrank by 37 million jobs. Economists at the Mumbai-based credit-rating firm Crisil now expect that process to go backwards: By 2019, 12 million more people will be working in agriculture than in 2012.

"Because there won't be enough job opportunities outside of agriculture, both in rural areas and in cities, people will remain stuck," says Dharmakirti Joshi, Crisil's chief economist. "Agriculture's share of GDP is shrinking, but more and more people will be lashed to it."

But a potential labor-driven economic boost could become a curse, economists say, if young people are trapped in relatively unproductive jobs in agriculture or menial service work.

"India is on the cusp of either being able to take advantage of the demographic boom or being swallowed up by it," says Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University.

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By law, India's central bank doesn't have much political independence, as Rajan serves at the pleasure of the government and can be sacked at any time. That could deter him from making tough moves against inflation that could have unpopular implications for growth. But Subramanian thinks he'll have a great deal of flexibility in practice, even if the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party comes to power again. "In practice over time a central bank governor has wielded a measure of independence because people think it's a very important job and previous incumbents have been reasonably good," he explains.


The monetary situation is such that he may be forced to act as India's Paul Volcker, hiking up rates and perhaps even orchestrating a recession to get the currency and inflation under control. He's said as much recently, arguing that supply-side adjustments, spurred along by tight monetary policy, are necessary if the country's going to grow quickly in the medium-term. But similar policies earned Volcker the enmity of homebuilders (who sent him two-by-four slabs of wood in protest) and others suffering from high rates, but at least the formal independence of the Fed helped him stay in his job.
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Very nice post once again, gakakkad :) Where did you get the 156GW installed capacity though ? Is that the capacity that's currently onstream ? Actual installed capacity was 235GW in Dec 2013 per powermin site, and would be around 240-245GW now.

Getting the economy back on track will require several things, but there's a lot of low hanging fruit that will quickly accelerate industrial output back to mid 2000s levels of growth. These are not energy or input intensive, but are policy and execution driven.

One of the 'positives' of 3 years of economic stagnation is the existence of idle capacity that was added in expectation of continued growth, but which wasn't realized. This provides the headroom in terms of time to get energy and core sector capacity up immediately, assuming at least 3-4 years for them to start coming onstream. For example: Idle capacity at Indian ports may lead to consolidation.

We're behind on 5-10 year targets on electricity, gas, and crude output, iron and coal production, but not in terms of immediate capacity requirement, since there's idle capacity. All of these will need an immediate kick, with the time taken for project completion used to implement efficiency initiatives and use up existing idle capacity to near full utilization.

Among these, electricity is among the less critical items, since it has been reporting growth rate higher than GDP growth for quite some time; poor mining and manufacturing growth are what drag down industrial growth (industrial output = manufacturing + mining + electricity). If we're using only 65% of installed capacity for electricity generation, that's quite a bit of short term headroom.
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The effect of electrification on a society, 'specially rural society, is much much more than just kw per capita. The TVA and Hoover Dam brough prosperity and industrialization and exposure to the U.S. South. Electric home appliances mean rural women do not have to spend hours of back-breaking work to wash clothes (which is a rather low utility activity which takes too much time, others things considered), clean the home and prepare food. Refrigeration makes long term food storage possible and this frees up more man-hours and reduces wastage. The snowballing effect leads to higher emancipation of women for one. (Back in Malluland there's a half-serious joke that every dish in our cuisine is designed to keep the woman in the smoke filled kitchen as long as possible). A quad-stove burner with oven, mixer, washing-machine, microwave, vacuum cleaner, grinder and juicer will make a sea of change in lives of the rural women. Now bring in sanitation too and we'll be well on our way.
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@ suraj ..sorry my mistake..the total installed capacity is 228721..i accidentally wrote the total installed from thermal sources...

I agree we have got some amount of headroom . even based on the existing infrastructure we can add a lot to our gdp..
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Electricity production capacity is one of Indias unsung successes. Mostly because we can't seem to produce enough coal to feed the plants. So one of our successes is turned into another problem by importing coal and employing Indonesian coal miners instead of Indian coal miners.

The Power Min number does not include the private generation capacity which by itself was approaching 35GW of capacity last look. So combined probably close to 300GW by now.
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Theo, that's not true. See Sept 2013 data (PDF). Scroll down to the very bottom for all India totals from all sources. It gives detailed breakdown for various sources as well as private/state/central . Total was 229GW last Sept, and I guesstimate 240-245GW now.
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By the way, the per capita electric power consumption number does consider any availability/capacity factor "de-rating" right? :-?
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Suraj,

I could be wrong but the private tallied there is the private power producers selling power to the grid. Adani, TATA, Reliance, etc.

The Power min does not tally power plants, including diesel, cogen, railways, etc that companies run on their own, usually not meant for grid connection.

Take a look at this report from Ministry of Statistics. Page 14. See that column on Self generating power. Thats the one I'm talking about. power min does not track it or include it. And has not for a long time. I think the business standard first clued me in on this missing number.

http://mospi.nic.in/mospi_new/upload/En ... enu_id=216
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Yes, that's a good point. The power ministry has a mandate to keep track of power generation in the formal sector, but not to track captive power generation off grid. That will definitely add quite a bit more capacity, from all those millions of gensets.
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http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/econom ... 69772.html
How India can adopt Korea model to boost manufacturing
( Not exactly but still good policies to adopt)
The Indian economy bears a striking resemblance to the South Korean economy of 1970s and a few vital steps to boost manufacturing should set the country on a high-growth path, a report by Goldman Sachs concludes. “Over the 1970s and 80s, Korea improved its growth environment significantly, especially its micro environment, leading to a 14-fold increase in manufacturing output in 20 years,” analysts in economics research report write in the report titled ‘How India can become the next Korea’. “If India were to emulate the Korean model and grow manufacturing at the same rate as Korea’s in the 1970s and 80s, we calculate it could add 1.4 percentage points to its GDP growth annually for the next decade.” The Korea model was based on a single-minded focus by the government on developing export-led manufacturing, they write. “This was encouraged by cheap land and infrastructure through industrial parks, reducing red tape and the cost of doing business, tax benefits and flexible labor laws for manufacturing firms, and cheaper power to industry than to consumers.” India versus Korea In the early 70s, the manufacturing sector’s share in India’s gross domestic product stood at 14 percent and stays at the around the same number even today. While Korea’s output as a share of GDP grew from less than 10 percent then to over 30 percent today. How do various conditions that are vital for success of manufacturing activity stack up for India today compared to the Korea of 1970s? “We thought that there might have been initial conditions that were favorable to Korea. To our surprise, we found that the scores were fairly similar,” analysts write. According to Goldman Sachs Growth Environment Scores, both countries are similar to each other in the different timeframes. “India’s per capita income currently (about USD 4,000 in purchasing power parity terms) is similar to that of Korea in the early 1970s, in purchasing power parity terms,” the analysts point out. Macroeconomic conditions including openness to trade and investment were quite similar. The micro environment was also similar, while in human capital, Korea was considerably weaker than India currently but macroeconomic stability is where India scores much lower than Korea. “From the early 1970s, Korea made rapid gains in its growth environment scores. The biggest improvements were in the microeconomic environment, though it also made further progress on human capital and on the macroeconomic front.” What did Korea do? “In Korea, the push for manufacturing was driven by the government, especially in the 1960s. With a strong leadership, the government focused on removing bottlenecks and incentivizing manufacturing,” the report says. “There was a realization that Korea was labor abundant but deficient in capital, so the focus was on labor-intensive manufacturing. There was an early recognition that export-led manufacturing could lead to rapid increases in productivity, and there could be increasing returns to scale due to a much larger export market. This government focus on export-led industrial growth as the main economic objective was critical in our view.” In India, thus far, the single-minded focus on export-led manufacturing growth is missing. “The agriculture and services sectors, which have been relatively lightly taxed and often the recipients of large government subsidies, have been preferred over industry,” the report says. What should India do? The report lays out a seven-point agenda that the Indian government should pursue to boost its manufacturing growth, similar to how Korea did in the 1970s. 1. Government focus on manufacturing as primary objective The Korean government emphasized labor-intensive, export-led manufacturing as the key objective of economic policy starting from the 1960s in order to increase productivity and use its abundant resource, labor. The sectors that drove manufacturing growth were labor intensive – textiles, garments, wood etc. 2. Low fiscal deficit This needs to be the starting point for greater macro stability, and to reduce crowding out of the private sector. It also provides space for government spending on infrastructure. 3. Develop effective industrial parks If the government provided infrastructure, land were made available to industry at below market prices, there are strict conditions on usage of land for industrial purposes only, greater labor flexibility, favorable tax treatment, and single-window clearance for all permits, as Korea did in its industrial parks, then it could allow for agglomeration benefits and economies of scale. 4. Reduce cost of doing business This involves cutting bureaucratic red tape to reduce the number of permits and administrative costs to setting up a business, construction approvals, getting electricity, and enforcing contracts. Korea significantly improved its business climate in the 1970s and 80s. 5. Flexible labor laws Korean policy was focused on job creation and training, rather than protecting those who are employed. Activities of labor unions were restricted, and minimum wage legislation not adopted till 1988. 6. Tax policy to encourage industry Korea provided tax benefits to encourage capital accumulation; incentives were provided to exporters and foreign direct investment, and exemptions granted to interest income on deposits and government bonds. Real estate taxation was strengthened to discourage real estate speculation by manufacturing companies. 7. Subsidize power for industry Korea made power available to industry at lower rates compared to consumers. In India, the opposite is currently the case.
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There is an urgent need to form a BRICS bank with reserve currencies from all the brics nations. These five nations could present with a good alternative form of stabilisation agasinst khan dominated IMF and ECB. These bank sshould be allowed to issue bonds from these nations and collectives fiscal strength of these nations will make sure that there is no run on these economies in foreseeable future and there is less impact of khan fiscal policies on them.
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India can be a $5-6 trillion economy in next 6 to 7 years: Sunil Singhania, Reliance Mutual Fund

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst
Sunil Singhania: Despite a dramatic change in the macroeconomic and the environment, the index is up only 10%-11%, which is lower than the earnings growth which we have seen over the last one year. So in fact it is underperforming the earnings growth. Secondly, we have seen the economy almost double since the last time the index went over 6000 and the index is up only 10%-11%.Therefore, though the size of the economy has almost doubled, the index has not kept pace. Nor .. Normally, the index keeps pace with growth in the economy and profitability. So we should get away from this fixation of an all-time high or what has happened over the last three to four months and look at what can possibly happen going forward.We have not seen any analyst expecting more than 10%-12% growth in earnings and we are all preoccupied with the question that why cannot the GDP again go back to 7%-8%, having fallen to 5%. I think India has all the potential. At the grassroot ..
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