symontk wrote:shiv wrote:There is no separate concept of "Dharma" in Christianity or Islam although aspects of Dharma are bundled along with the religion in both. For example the Ten commandments could be classifed as Christian definitions of Dharma. But in Christianity Dharma does not exist separately from the religion.
For Hindus, Dharma is a standalone concept. Even Gods have to conform with Dharma.
Ten commandments are not just for people, it applies for God too. That is the whole point of Jesus coming to earth
symontk wrote:There are several covenants signed by God and Man according to Bible. Its conditions are applicable to both parties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(biblical)
Regarding question of neighbour's wife, God considers his followers as persons of his own stature. So someone's wife will be God's neighbours wife too
If the covenants are broken a price needs to be paid. Jesus is the price that was paid in his blood, that is why he came to earth
NB: I have several links anyway I am not posting since I consider this as an OT to the topic
Regarding Universalism and Christianity you are confused and incoherent. You have not given arguments why India can't have its own Universalism
This is very interesting opinion. But, it seems that 'god' did violate most of these commandments according to X-ism.
If people(followers) are the neighbours of 'god', then it seems that the 'god' himself brags about killing many of them as punishment for not adhering to his words. So, the commandment of 'thou shall not kill' is broken. If one says that these acts of killing are merely 'judgements', then the question will rise: it was never said in the commandments that one could kill in certain situations. The commandment seems to be simply saying 'don't kill'. Of course, Moses himself supposedly killed people for praying to an idol of golden calf immediately after obtaining these commandments. So, Moses and 'god' both violated the injunction 'not to kill'. Every soldier violates this commandment.
Similarly, according to the X-ism myth, 'god' had affair with wife of somebody else and jesus was born. This is against two commandments:
thou shall not desire the wife of your neighbour.
thou shall not commit adultery.
By the way, according to OT, Abraham pimped his own wife to pharaoh of Egypt. When Pharaoh thought she was Abraham's sister(Abraham misrepresented it). So, Pharaoh was furious when he came to know the truth and returned the wife of Abraham to him. So, Abraham's wife violated the commandment of 'adultery'. There is also a hint of incest here.
If killing of jesus (Yashas) was an act of 'god', then again he violated the command of 'not killing'.
Jesus himself has supposedly said that he was here to break the families. It seems that disregarded his family and mother according to New Testament. So, this goes against the commandment of 'thou shall honour your father and mother'.
And all people(including X-ists) make images and idols. So, this goes against the commandment of 'thou shall not make graven images'. Perhaps, Zorasthrians are the only ones who don't make any image and pray only to fire. But, all other groups make some images or idols to venerate them.
Link to criticism of theology
BTW, do you notice that dying of jesus is very similar to the concept of human sacrifice. It seems that X-ists opposed the human sacrifice because jesus was already sacrificed. Basically, they were not opposed to the idea of human sacrifice. Their point was the ultimate sacrifice was already made.
Anyway, this whole idea of some other life being sacrificed for benefit of another set is highly abhorrent. Somebody else being killed for my sake or your sake is wrong. No one should be killed for the mistakes of another.
Of course, one can be punished for one's own mistakes. Thats the theory of Karma.
In this theory, if jesus was the son of 'god' and he suffered, then his suffering must be due to his own doing.
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Philip saar,
Rus, Cheen, dhesh and Amirkhan are the big 4. Amirkhan is in tightgrip, but there may be a chance of it freeing itself. Cheen is in a meiji restoration phase. Dhesh is tightly in the grip. But, Modi may be glimmer of hope. Rus seems to be the only opponent.
But, the problem is that if Bhestern universalism declines, then X-ism and Jihaadhis will rise.
However, all three seem to have common power structure: oil.
If an alternate source of energy is found, it would hamper the power structure of jihaadhis and bhest.
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For OIT proponents:
Notice, the first commandment: "I am the 'Lord', thy god".
Generally, one introduces oneself by saying one's name. For example, one would say,"I am johnee, poster in BRF." Similarly, here the announcement is "I am 'Lord', thy god".
So, the word 'Lord' is the name of this particular being. What is the Vaidhik word for 'Lord'? Ans: Indhra.
So, the narrative seems to be that this commandments were given by Indhra. The setting of these commandments also makes it quite clear. He goes to the top of the mountain and there are thunders and clouds. Indhra's connection with thunders and clouds is also typical. Indhra's vehicle is Airavatha which is a white elephant. This white elephant symbolizes the white cloud while Indhra's weapon is Vajra(thunderbolt). So, the setting and the name make the connection with Indhra.
Moses worship of fire god is seen when a bush catches fire.
There is also a hint that people used to worship cows and calfs at that time. The story says that Moses killed all those who worshipped the images of calf after obtaining the commandments.