Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 27 Sep 2014 14:30

Well Tharoor can be brought on the side of light. He is bad by association but MSA is inherently an idiot. In one of debates on NDTV I have heard him say that if something happens to Pakistan it will be big or perhaps biggest blow to secularism in the region. At that point I gave up all hopes for this dude. He is screwed for good.

For contrast between two see on NDTV Mani Shankar Aiyar vs Shashi Tharoor which errupted post election victory when Tharoor praised Modi.

KrishnaK · Post by **KrishnaK** » 28 Sep 2014 02:53

The point that I find irritating about MSA is his obsequiousness. Tharoor is a totally different person. Just because he is Congress doesn't mean he needs to be led to light

. It is good to have different viewpoints and not everybody in the political spectrum needs to be pro hindu - whatever that means.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Sep 2014 04:34

JE Menon wrote:No disagreement there. My feeling though is that, with Tharoor, there is a possibility of reeling him towards reason. MSA is a lost cause.

MSA is a Communist - has always been one, since his student days. The thing that worries me about Tharoor is his involvement in very shady things - like the IPL Kochi business. What about the death of his wife? Do you really believe Sunanda's death was an accident? MSA, for all his sins, has not been mixed up in such things. He fawns on the Gandhi family, he is shameless in his flattery (cloyingly so). He is crass about his opponents. My worry about Tharoor is just how deeply he seems to be compromised. Even if he is not a Congressi by heart, if he is too deeply caught in the web, he may be lost too.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 28 Sep 2014 07:31

Tharoor is a shady character and a wheeler dealer. Better to steer clear from him. He had been bedding a Pakistani woman, a fact which pushed Pushkar over the edge. The dude can't keep his fly zipped and is vulnerable to honey traps.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Sep 2014 10:35

^^interesting allegations, no doubt with solid evidence backing this up... As for the dude being unable to keep his fly zipped, a visit to the L&M nukkad is advised.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Sep 2014 11:37

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... don-school

Public inquiry into predator teacher's abuse of boys

A public investigation is to be launched into how a paedophile teacher, William Vahey, was able to drug and abuse at least 60 children at the £25,000-a-year Southbank International School in London.

...
Between 2009 and 2013, Vahey, an American humanities teacher, used sedatives to render boys drowsy on excursions, then took them back to their rooms and abused them while they were unconscious. The FBI has described him as one of the most prolific sexual predators it has ever seen.

...
The school, which is favoured by the families of foreign diplomats and international business executives, is already embroiled in a Scotland Yard and FBI investigation into the 64-year-old teacher's serial abuses. The crimes emerged in March after he killed himself when electronic files containing images of more than 90 naked boys aged 12-14 being molested by him were found by a maid at his home in Nicaragua.

He had been jailed for child abuse in 1969 in California, but went on to teach at 10 schools around the world, from Jakarta to Caracas, where it is believed that he honed a criminal technique which meant that few, if any, of his victims knew they had been abused.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Sep 2014 12:17

The Economist recently suggested that ISRO's 16000 scientists and engineers be assigned to devising solutions for toilets.

I think we should now suggest that all teachers in British schools be neutered. Far too many reports of sexual abuse, teacher-student affairs etc etc. It is disturbing. And this report of a sexual predator from America easily finding his way into an elite school - speaks of poor management and policies. It is indeed a reflection of Britain's society which seems to churn out sexual deviants by the 1000s. The issue here is alarming simply because victims of abuse go on to become perpetrators. It is a vicious cycle.

Britain has a sexual deviancy problem of epic proportions.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2014 12:23

JE Menon wrote:^^interesting allegations, no doubt with solid evidence backing this up... As for the dude being unable to keep his fly zipped, a visit to the L&M nukkad is advised.

Kochi IPL is not enough???

or even the suicided SP??

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Sep 2014 12:55

how the Scotland referendum, may have been rigged.

http://www.sott.net/article/286355-Spec ... nd-the-Why

Inverclyde and Glackmannanshire were heavy 'yes' bellweather constituencies but voted 'no' raising suspiscion.

So, to put it bluntly, the idea that any sizable number of SNP voters and other Scottish nationalists would ever have voted against independence is akin to suggesting that supporters of largest Unionist party in Northern Ireland (and all other Northern Ireland Unionists) would vote for a united Ireland separate from their beloved UK in a referendum on that question. In short, it's so improbable as to strain credulity.

What? No Exit Polls?

Exit polls are polls taken at polling stations, in which a random sampling of voters are asked which way they voted. Anyone who has observed UK elections knows the results of the exit poll are the first thing that is announced on the evening news after polling stations close at 10pm. Except, as the polls closed in the Scottish referendum, this didn't happen - there was no exit poll.

Obviously, in the context of the vote being rigged, genuine exit polls would have caused a serious problem when they differed wildly from both the pre-referendum opinion polls and the 'official' result, and trying to rig the exit poll was perhaps a bridge too far. So establishment media outlets like the BBC were asked to break with tradition and refrain from conducting them. With this conventional voting feature out of the way, let's look at how the voting took place.

Multiple Voting Irregularities

Eligible voters (people of any nationality resident in Scotland) did not have to present ID at polling stations. They simply gave their name, which was checked against an electoral registry of eligible voters. In return they received their ballot paper, a small white paper with the question and two check boxes:

Many voters reported seeing nothing on the reverse side of their ballot paper; no unique identification number was included. The Scottish Referendum Act 2013 clearly states that an identifying number should have been included on the reverse side of each individual ballot:

Transportation of Ballot Boxes to Counting Venues

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Sep 2014 13:33

>>Kochi IPL is not enough??? or even the suicided SP??

Not enough boss. Because other than allegation, there's nothing. When he is arrested, then there will be something to talk about. Now, we have to go by what we have.

Now in general...

As for the allegation of "elitist" bla bla... this will get a bit problematic if you start examining BJP and RSS as well, at such a minute level. Because these figures don't have a public profile as Tharoor does, it does not mean they don't exist and are quite influential. In numbers. In fact I had a long lunch with just such a chap yesterday, and his family, outside India of course. Uncle was maybe 70, but with all the right credentials, George Washington University, well travelled, daughter-in-law graduated just now from Cornell. Moneyed enough to freely hand out "money isn't everything" monologues. But, firmly RSS and needless to say Modi fan. He was as surprised as I was to find in me, a thoroughly "Westernised" chap from all outward appearance, someone who is a bit of a nationalist.

(Did somebody say McCaulay? Poor bugger must be spinning like a top in his grave and cursing his own advise to parliament. He probably did not anticipate this situation).

So, instead of making enemies, what will work well for the nationalist tendency so that the next 10 years AT LEAST is to attract more people into the Modi camp, explicitly, even if they don't agree with everything the RSS says or BJP says. If we can get MJ Akbar as BJP spokesperson, then the possibility of reeling in Tharoor to at least speak as he is doing now increasingly (even if he does not join the party) is not something to snipe at. Because having such an articulate defender of India cannot harm the country, and such people are needed.

Even Congress itself, as a party, can find its way back into true political relevance if it jettisons this silly cloak of legitimacy derived from family names and instead reinvents itself as a rational party, where merit is vaued and love for the nation's civilisational heritage is not derided. In short, they need to remember who votes them into power. Having a strong alternative is good for the country and its stability for the long-term. But Congress as it is should be gutted in toto and reinvented.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 28 Sep 2014 14:26

+1 to that.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2014 14:59

Well he lacks integrity and honesty. if you remember NaMo made reference to 74Cr GF after which he was forced into marriage. can't make a virtue out of vice. Behind suave exterior lies a rotten core. And if that applies to many in BJP too , so be it. let them fall to if it so happens.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Sep 2014 15:12

Elitist is being ill-defined here, taking dictionary meaning my wordweb software tells me Elitist : Someone who believes in rule by an elite group. Now in Indian context elitists not only satisfy this but also display common traits of Hindu hatred, dissing Indian culture, gora worshipping, taqiyya practising and always being available to the highest bidder in the market. They also happen to be pretty rich and high in the social ladder. The point to note here is that each and every rich person is not an elitist. It's a general misconception and stereotyping of the rich class of people.

RSS may have well to do rich backers but it doesn't have any elitist backer and will never have one since both the entities have totally different stream of thought process which puts them at loggerheads.

Tharoor is a diplo-mutt and a mutt will do as commanded, other than being a useful idiot with having a permanent foot in the mouth disease he is hardly of any use and anyways BJP has no dearth of good speakers so they don't need to import this moron. A person who believes in the Gandhi family must be treated untouchable by BJP otherwise if BJP allows shelter to such morons then their tribe will increase like rats and will end up destroying BJP. Stumbling bumbling idiot is in the right party and displaying good debating skills in a supposedly "impartial" debate is no parameter for the person to be considered kosher.

Some Tharoor uvvacha

'Why Modi Shouldn't Disdain Chamchas' by Shashi Tharoor

On June 12, new Prime Minister Narendra Modi met with the young diplomats of the 2012 batch of the Indian Foreign Service. According to press reports, he told them four things which point to his international priorities in the years ahead. One is right, one is partly right, one is wrong and one is disastrously wrong.

No point in posting what he considers right since he agrees but lets take a look at the one is partly right, one is wrong and one is disastrously wrong paras.

"partly right"

But then he seems to have gone too far. Asking them to focus on 'zero-defect manufacturing' and 'packaging and presentation' to boost exports, the PM apparently illustrated his argument by stating that Indian herbal medicines were among the best in the world, but are lagging behind Chinese products in the world markets because of poor packaging. Similarly, he told the young diplomats, they needed to ensure that the huge diversity and range of Indian handicrafts is presented better to the world; they have not been made or showcased properly. Fair enough, but this is not for diplomats to remedy: the PM's diagnosis is right but his prescription is wrong. The problem embodied in the PM's accurate observation is one that needs to be fixed at home, by manufacturers and a vigilant regulatory system, not by diplomats. As the BJP itself has observed in a different context, if the product has flaws, no amount of marketing will sell it. The same applies to diplomats: they can only represent Indian products as they are. Making them better, and packaging them better, is the job of manufacturers and the government at home, not of diplomats.

"wrong"

Understandably, the PM seems to have affected the fashionable disdain for the fripperies associated with diplomacy - the "alcohol, protocol and Geritol" aspects lampooned by many in the past. "Chammach kahan rakhna hain... in sab baton se hatke kaam karo," he is reported to have said. ("Where your spoons have to be laid... ignore that kind of issue and do your work"). Sorry Modiji, aisa desh ka kaam nahin chalega. If you don't know where to place your spoons when hosting a diplomatic dinner, you come across as gauche or uncultured, and are regarded by foreigners - the others you are trying to win over with your hospitality -- accordingly. There is a reason why the procedures of protocol, forms of address, laying of tables and so on were devised and followed by diplomats around the world. They provide the common basis or platform for dialogue and civilized discourse without which the more substantive discussions and understandings would not be possible. No, you can't afford to get your spoons wrong.

"disastrously wrong" blasphemy, end of world, doom and gloom everwhere

Finally, Prime Minister Modi also seems to have reverted to his nativist populism of old by telling the young IFS trainees not to be swayed by the cultures of the developed countries they would be posted in, but to take pride in projecting the strengths of Mother India. "Apni ma phate purane kapdon mein bhi toh ma hoti hain," he told them in Hindi according to press accounts; "aur mausi agar ache kapdon mein ho toh bhi mausi hi rehti hain." ("Your mother's still your mother even in old and torn clothes, whereas your aunt, even in her best finery, is still an aunt.") Aside from an unsuspected and almost Wodehousean, distaste for aunts, what Modiji's statement implies is the very antithesis of what an effective diplomat should do. Diplomats should be curious about, and receptive to, the outside world; they should seek to engage with and understand the cultures of the countries to which they are accredited. If you want to represent India effectively to a Ruritanian, you will do by taking an interest in Ruritania and its way of doing things, learning its language and customs, and listening to its concerns. The Modi notion of diplomacy as stoutly resisting the siren call of foreign countries while haranguing others about the strengths of your own is wrong-headed and downright dangerous. No one will listen to you if you behave like that; and why should they? The very thought is disastrously wrong.

So after mutilating Modi's word and putting his "correct" views across here is how our useful idiot finishes off

So here's my advice to the young IFS trainees who have just emerged wide-eyed from their audience with the Prime Minister: listen to him attentively, as you must. Heed his exhortations and feel inspired, if you are. But go back and listen to what your seniors taught you in basic diplomatic training. Unlike the Prime Minister, they've been there. They know what it takes to tell the India story to foreigners. And here's wishing you all success in doing so.

And we all know how much "successful" our babooze have been in telling the India story to furrynars.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Sep 2014 15:31

Heh, some old memories

Narendra Modi and I share the same dream,don’t want him to be PM: Shashi Tharoor

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Sep 2014 16:19

People, I can post any number of links demonstrating Tharoor's oiseaulery. This does not change the reality. He can be useful and at least he is courageous enough to come out and praise Modi when it calls for it. Better to have him in the nationalist (not party) tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. That's my opinion of course.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2014 16:49

JE Menon wrote:People, I can post any number of links demonstrating Tharoor's oiseaulery. This does not change the reality. He can be useful and at least he is courageous enough to come out and praise Modi when it calls for it. Better to have him in the nationalist (not party) tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. That's my opinion of course.

+1.

Have no worries about Tharoor ditching the nationalist camp anytime soon. Reason is zimble - the said camp is in power currently. After, like, forever only. And will stay quite a while, seems like currently. Only.

Tharoor has some glam quotient, some articulation and some other such 'assets'. One could use them but he, being he, will want a quid pro quo. And thats where Modi will have no truck with the likes of him. Their "whats in it for me" rather than "whats in it for the nation" motivation...

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2014 17:07

All he can do is to piss inside the nationalist tent if he ever gets in. has he ever trashed SG or RG.
Of course it is my opinion.I don't want tent stinking of piss. my last word on Throor.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 28 Sep 2014 17:10

ST is like having a nationalist sepoy in congi circles.(I would not call him anything else as it demeans his well grounded knowledge compared to his peers)

He is good in defending India but not the gov't.

So on defending anything about India(which invariably translates to ruling gov't most of the times), congitards are forced to alter their views/defensive or at least say "it is his personal views"

I am enjoying the khujilis in congi circles.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Sep 2014 17:22

Even in his praises Mr. Tharoor hasn't failed to remind people about his deep belief in sickularism. Let Mr. Tharror piss his "nationalism" while being in the Gandhi tent where he resides. We want nationalists in each and every party and not only in a single one (RSS policy).

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Sep 2014 17:43

^^Yes, above is a good point. Nationalists in all parties. That is why they must not be run down relentlessly when even a trace of it is found. Cultivate it, let it grow.

Added later, on a slightly humorous note:

http://www.veooz.com/photos/6HFkHNz.html

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Sep 2014 01:15

Sagar G wrote:Even in his praises Mr. Tharoor hasn't failed to remind people about his deep belief in sickularism. Let Mr. Tharror piss his "nationalism" while being in the Gandhi tent where he resides. We want nationalists in each and every party and not only in a single one (RSS policy).

The question to be asked is why is nationalism being run down for more than 40 years. Why did it start

Any normal country and also with a young population should have a healthy nationalism
Especially a country which is facing threat from neighbors like Pak and PRC should have a normal nationalism

Why is it being suppressed by the media and also elite/intellectuals

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Sep 2014 01:20

Hari Seldon wrote:
Have no worries about Tharoor ditching the nationalist camp anytime soon. Reason is zimble - the said camp is in power currently. After, like, forever only. And will stay quite a while, seems like currently. Only.

Tharoor has some glam quotient, some articulation and some other such 'assets'. One could use them but he, being he, will want a quid pro quo. And thats where Modi will have no truck with the likes of him. Their "whats in it for me" rather than "whats in it for the nation" motivation...

Why is ST making so many statements. He is not a regular spokesperson for Cong.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 29 Sep 2014 08:31

JEM, that Tallyrand gent said something like "one can use a pick-axe for useful purposes or you can sit on it and complain about the pain". If one sees a chrome-plated pickaxe in your backyard, you get down to making it downright dirty, whomever is the owner. That has always been the way of Sree Padmanabha-dasas for centuries. The late Mr De Lannoy knows what I am talking about

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 29 Sep 2014 10:38

JE Menon wrote:People, I can post any number of links demonstrating Tharoor's oiseaulery. This does not change the reality. He can be useful and at least he is courageous enough to come out and praise Modi when it calls for it. Better to have him in the nationalist (not party) tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. That's my opinion of course.

Since he is useful, can you North KL dudes take him back ?

And if you don't want him either, you can throw him in the FATA-type areas further up north.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Sep 2014 13:35

The Independent ‏@Independent 1m

'Women get their bottoms pinched. It is part of life. Get over it' http://ind.pn/ZjXVTX

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 29 Sep 2014 13:36

KLPD, I'm not from North KL, neither is ST for that matter as far as I know. I think he is Palakkad district and so unfortunately is Prakash Karat (home just 14 kms from mine).

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 29 Sep 2014 18:16

JE Menon wrote:KLPD, I'm not from North KL, neither is ST for that matter as far as I know. I think he is Palakkad district and so unfortunately is Prakash Karat (home just 14 kms from mine).

OK, OK. For someone with roots in Travancore, that is north KL onlee.

As far as I am concerned, "north KL" starts at the Muvattu river and ends at the Bharata river. Guruvayur, Palakkad, etc are "on the border". Area formerly called "princely state of Cochin".

North of that is all FATA (and FAT-raha-hai)-type "lost cause" areas - Malappuram, KKK (Kozhikode-Kannur-Kasaragod) etc.

Anyway, Tharoor is an idiot.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 29 Sep 2014 18:46

KLP Dubey wrote: OK, OK. For someone with roots in Travancore, that is north KL onlee. As far as I am concerned, "north KL" starts at the Muvattu river and ends at the Bharata river. Guruvayur, Palakkad, etc are "on the border". Area formerly called "princely state of Cochin".

North of that is all FATA (and FAT-raha-hai)-type "lost cause" areas - Malappuram, KKK (Kozhikode-Kannur-Kasaragod) etc.

Anyway, Tharoor is an idiot.

Why do you call Kannur lost? It is a hyper violent red district, yes, but why is it gone? The Thiyyas are still keeping it for Hindus, even if they are fighting among themselves on political lines. It is the only district in the Malabar with a Hindu majority in the under 6 age group. Kasargod, Wayanad, and Kozhikode - yes, all of them are gone. Already Hindus are being chased out quietly, but ruthlessly from many areas, but Kannur is not yet at that state.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 29 Sep 2014 19:28

Owners of e-con-omist

Minhaz Merchant @minhazmerchant · 4h
.@kannanbillawar @ManiChakr @mediacrooks @TheEconomist Pearson group (via London's FT) & Rothschilds (Amartya Sen's wife is Emma Rothschild)

member_28638 · Post by **member_28638** » 30 Sep 2014 00:28

sivab wrote:Owners of e-con-omist

Minhaz Merchant @minhazmerchant · 4h
.@kannanbillawar @ManiChakr @mediacrooks @TheEconomist Pearson group (via London's FT) & Rothschilds (Amartya Sen's wife is Emma Rothschild)

http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.nl/2011/0 ... e-for.html

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 30 Sep 2014 04:32

JE Menon wrote:People, I can post any number of links demonstrating Tharoor's oiseaulery. This does not change the reality. He can be useful and at least he is courageous enough to come out and praise Modi when it calls for it. Better to have him in the nationalist (not party) tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. That's my opinion of course.

From my review of Tharoor and his antics, I think he pisses from anywhere to anywhere, he is like a water-sprinkler in the lawn. He hates hindoooo nationalists with as much vigor as he hates Colonial Apologists. While he has limited ammo to destroy the former, his immense reservoir of knowledge can destroy any colonial apologist in a flood of well reasoned historically grounded arguments.

ohh and btw:

hnair wrote:JEM, that Tallyrand gent said something like "one can use a pick-axe for useful purposes or you can sit on it and complain about the pain".

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Sep 2014 10:31

"water sprinkler in the lawn" - on the money.

"use a pick-axe for useful purposes or you can sit on it and complain about the pain" - classic

That's the point, why waste by alienating? Subvert, co-opt, integrate, use.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 30 Sep 2014 11:09

JE Menon wrote:People, I can post any number of links demonstrating Tharoor's oiseaulery. This does not change the reality. He can be useful and at least he is courageous enough to come out and praise Modi when it calls for it. Better to have him in the nationalist (not party) tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. That's my opinion of course.

It doesn't matter where a nobody pisses JEM. But got to hand it to you and Rajeev Srinivasan. Solid defence of a slimeball who in my opinion will forever remain a secular turd.

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Sep 2014 11:36

Where I agree with JEM, is that for all his failings Tharoor is the only erudite, effective & capable parliamentarian who has ever emerged out of Kerala. He stands taller than any other in this respect. He has many failings in character as well as dodgy links but it is in this respect that he is indispensible absolutely.

Rest of India may feel free to differ, and disagree and oppose him at any cost. But for the state of Kerala, he is the only game in town, the name of which is Lok Sabha.

On many ocassions I have seen VI-th pass, matric fail, VII-pass CPI(M)/CPI/RSP/INC/KC-M/B/J etc MPs representing Kerala stand up for making a point in parliament, but neither their diction, nor their appearance or their presence does any justice to those millions who have sent them there. The speaker (who was then Somnath Chaterjee used to simply shoo them away, while they stood to make a point), but then who wouldn't have shooed them away after looking at them. They neither knew English, nor Hindi nor anything of any much use to make their presence felt in the Indian parliament. It was a joke.

These guys stand up in parliament to make a point, either nobody understands a word of what they say or if the speaker is in less charitable mood, he just asks them to sit down without wasting other's time. A 'point-of-order' by a MP from Kerala was unheard of. Maybe some MP from the rubber belt once in a while would, but then they are backed by specific interest groups/lobbies and nothing generic about their stand.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Sep 2014 11:54

OK, probably time to end the overdose on Tharoor in this thread. Those who wish to continue, please find another appropriate thread for the discussion on this gent and his demerits/merits...

I personally have no desire to take it any further...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 30 Sep 2014 17:41

The Independent ‏@Independent 30s30 seconds ago

Isis could bomb UK with nuclear and chemical weapons, Theresa May warns http://ind.pn/1pDMWcZ

Does this make sense?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 30 Sep 2014 17:43

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/chil ... 93494.html

Children sold as sex slaves for Â£200 in Britain

Women are forced to work as prostitutes while some others are sent to toil on illicit cannabis farms or as construction workers by organised criminal gangs as the menace of modern slavery spreads its tentacles in the UK.

The victims are sold for just Â£200 whose numbers rose by a fifth last year. They are forced to work for a pittance after being tattooed 'like cattle', a report said.

The gangs are expanding their operations from sex trade and drug factories to hand car washes and bogus doorstep charity collections, it said.

Many of the victims are children from Eastern Europe brought into the country to join the street begging gangs while their handlers steal their generous benefits, it added.

The victims are lured through recruitment websites and dating agencies with the promise of better paid work or education.

But when they arrive they are forced to work as prostitutes or as labourers in isolated farms.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 30 Sep 2014 18:10

pankajs wrote:
The Independent ‏@Independent 30s30 seconds ago

Isis could bomb UK with nuclear and chemical weapons, Theresa May warns http://ind.pn/1pDMWcZ
Does this make sense?

UK with its paki, BD and other assorted symapthisers is their door to western world. Why would you bomb a nation which can be pissfully brought to the path of sharia in a few decades? They are better off using brit pakis to do the bombing in US and other parts of Europe. So this is BS IMO.

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 30 Sep 2014 18:33

habal wrote:Where I agree with JEM, is that for all his failings Tharoor is the only erudite, effective & capable parliamentarian who has ever emerged out of Kerala. He stands taller than any other in this respect. He has many failings in character as well as dodgy links but it is in this respect that he is indispensible absolutely.

Rest of India may feel free to differ, and disagree and oppose him at any cost. But for the state of Kerala, he is the only game in town, the name of which is Lok Sabha.

On many ocassions I have seen VI-th pass, matric fail, VII-pass CPI(M)/CPI/RSP/INC/KC-M/B/J etc MPs representing Kerala stand up for making a point in parliament, but neither their diction, nor their appearance or their presence does any justice to those millions who have sent them there. The speaker (who was then Somnath Chaterjee used to simply shoo them away, while they stood to make a point), but then who wouldn't have shooed them away after looking at them. They neither knew English, nor Hindi nor anything of any much use to make their presence felt in the Indian parliament. It was a joke.

These guys stand up in parliament to make a point, either nobody understands a word of what they say or if the speaker is in less charitable mood, he just asks them to sit down without wasting other's time. A 'point-of-order' by a MP from Kerala was unheard of. Maybe some MP from the rubber belt once in a while would, but then they are backed by specific interest groups/lobbies and nothing generic about their stand.

ok, he knows english. i agree, we all do. that aside, he should be in the gallows by now.

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Sep 2014 18:49

Try to watch the proceedings of the Indian parliament.