India-US Relations : News and Discussion

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Dec 2014 14:54

X Posted from the “ India-Russia: News & Analysis” thread.

Did Russia pull a fast one on India, by embarrassingly for India, sneaking in Sergey Aksyonov, leader of Ukrainian territory of Crimea annexed by Russia, into India?

On the other hand did India pull a fast one on the US by claiming no knowledge that Sergey Aksyonov would be visiting India?

Crimean leader in New Delhi during Putin visit

U.S. 'troubled' that Crimean leader in India with Putin

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Dec 2014 16:01

saip wrote:Talking of revenge, look at this. It will cost you a lot to give up your US citizenship!

Link

And I thought if you swear allegiance to another country, you automatically lose your citizenship!

The land of the ~~free~~ slaves.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Dec 2014 08:12

Some positive stuff US did during the Bangladesh war of 1971:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... h-war.html

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Dec 2014 06:28

Has DDM gone agog over this? Especially whats his Chidanand Raj from ToILet. And is TSP jealous that so many Indian Americans in US govt, and TSPA might be compelled to attack India through its pigLeTs? Recall, the now reformed Haqqani once said that US must consider TSP sentiments when so many Indian Americans are appointed.

http://news.yahoo.com/finally-surgeon-g ... 01233.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Dec 2014 10:09

Read Dr.Pillai's book on BMos. He mentions the '71 war and the US efforts to intimidate the IN,break the naval blockade of E.Pak using the Enterprise and other amphib assets,which was foiled by the presence of Soviet N-subs (ready to swing into action should the IN and USN clash).

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 16 Dec 2014 13:30

@NSCPress: @BarackObama meeting w/ Richard Verma, recently confirmed by the Senate as next US Ambassador to #India http://t.co/ngg4zTeVg8 @USAndIndia

Tweet by President Obama's National Security Council (NSC).

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 16 Dec 2014 16:54

Surgeon general nominee Vivek Murthy, opposed by gun lobby, confirmed

Senators voted 51 to 43 to confirm Vivek Murthy, a Harvard and Yale-educated doctor at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, whose nomination had been in limbo amid concerns about his experience, and opposition from the gun lobby.

As surgeon general, Murthy, 37, will serve as the nation’s top spokesperson on public health issues. Boris Lushniak has served as acting surgeon general since July 2013.

That animosity in part dates to a tweet Murthy sent out in 2012: "Tired of politicians playing politics w/guns, putting lives at risk b/c they're scared of NRA. Guns are a health care issue."

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 16 Dec 2014 17:01

Note the role of the Tata MNC family:

Revealed 30 years on: secret role of Henry Kissinger in Bhopal tragedy

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Dec 2014 17:24

I now remember something back Ratan Tata did tried to bring UC owner (Is it Dow?) back into India and lobbied for it. Now they are in India. I met their senior person last week and I am suprised to note that she defended UC like anything and even it boss WA. She went on to say that WA can not be considered responsible as he is too far away and Indians reduced/diluted the safety measures. I felt disgusted and stopped arguing with her. But other people present there said to me later that they are all were similarly disgusted by her conduct.

Now I know from first hand how Brown sepoys are deployed.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 16 Dec 2014 17:27

^^ The lady was Indian?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 16 Dec 2014 21:00

Yagnasri:"She went on to say that WA can not be considered responsible as he is too far away and Indians reduced/diluted the safety measures."

I have no love lost for union carbide or WA, not least because they are both dead, and if I am a sepoy, I am not brown..more like a wheatish complexion...but the statement above is mostly true. More than a dozen fail safe measures failed at the same time. And how do you account for a factory that produced such a lethal chemical being placed right in the middle of a large city? The scumbags in the Indian bureaucracy back then -- the harsh manders and arjun singhs -- have a lot of blood on their hands, and yet they all managed to not only live well but remain in positions of power in India, thanks the ecosystem/clusterfark of criminals and bureaucrats and journalists nurtured by the Indian National Congress Party.

Exactly how many in the Indian government and bureaucracy took the fall for this mass murder of the residents of Bhopal, ignoring UC and WA's culpability for now. What about safety inspection checks that the babus are supposed to conduct given the nature of the chemical that was being produced? If you own a car or any complex piece of machinery, can you understand what it means to not change the oil or broken down parts in the system on time?

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 16 Dec 2014 21:12

I wonder would USA call upon India to obey the sanctions which are being proposed on Russia, especially if the sanctions are on the same league as those imposed on Iran? And what would be India's response? Would India buckle under like it did for Iranian sanctions.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Dec 2014 21:28

Tuvaluan wrote:Yagnasri:"She went on to say that WA can not be considered responsible as he is too far away and Indians reduced/diluted the safety measures."

I have no love lost for union carbide or WA, not least because they are both dead, and if I am a sepoy, I am not brown..more like a wheatish complexion...but the statement above is mostly true. More than a dozen fail safe measures failed at the same time. And how do you account for a factory that produced such a lethal chemical being placed right in the middle of a large city? The scumbags in the Indian bureaucracy back then -- the harsh manders and arjun singhs -- have a lot of blood on their hands, and yet they all managed to not only live well but remain in positions of power in India, thanks the ecosystem/clusterfark of criminals and bureaucrats and journalists nurtured by the Indian National Congress Party.

Exactly how many in the Indian government and bureaucracy took the fall for this mass murder of the residents of Bhopal, ignoring UC and WA's culpability for now. What about safety inspection checks that the babus are supposed to conduct given the nature of the chemical that was being produced? If you own a car or any complex piece of machinery, can you understand what it means to not change the oil or broken down parts in the system on time?

and what part of this excuses UC from allowing such slack stds in its india ops? Its not like they had a great record in the US either.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Dec 2014 21:31

Spin it the other way. Were the US ops of a non US pny similarly lackadaisical, would things be cool? US would justifiably look at them. Thats their process and IMO its laudable. WA and UC had a role in the tragedy no doubt.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 16 Dec 2014 21:33

and what part of this excuses UC from allowing such slack stds in its india ops? Its not like they had a great record in the US either.

perhaps you missed the part where I have stated " ignoring UC and WA's culpability for now". There are multiple culprits here and just focussing on the culpability of the US company and its minions (let's keep that as a given) lets the babu and neta scum responsible in a large part for the mass murder walk away scot-free, and indeed that actually did happen.

Were the US ops of an indian cpny similarly lackadaisical, would things be cool? WA and UC had a role in the tragedy no doubt.

perhaps you can quote the specific part of my post where I implied such a thing -- I am not responsible for any miscomprehension of clearly written sentences.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 16 Dec 2014 21:44

Atleast until 2012 the remains of the UC plant in the heart of Bhopal had not been cleaned up. So nearly 2 decades after the incident, successive state and central governments have not bothered to dismantle the defunct plant and relocate the population in the immediate vicinity who cook,clean and drink the poisonous ground water. UC was no doubt negligent and their treatment of the victims was inhuman to say the least. But our governments are as much to blame for ignoring the worst industrial accident in the history of mankind by neglecting to sanitize the area and relocate the population. Warren Anderson did not jump the bail himself. Ofcourse those in Rajiv Gandhi's govt knew very well he wouldn't show up for court hearings but even then he was allowed to fly out of the country. And whatever pittance settlement we got from DOW, majority of that money has been usurped with only a broken monument to show for.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Dec 2014 03:31

Jeb Bush, brother of Dubya, is throwing his hat in the ring for POTUS.

Whomever the Indian American community decides to support, they have to demand two things from the candidate:

1) Zero support for Christian Missionary activity in India

2) Dismantling of Pakistan

Otherwise don't give a single cent, a single minute of one's time, a single vote to the candidate. Please try to make this a rule, and spread the word.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Dec 2014 11:59

Agnimitra wrote:^^ The lady was Indian?

She is of course.

As for as supporting Jeb Bush is concerned, he has to first win the nomination battle. But he seems to have a good chance as of now. Looking at supporting Hillary, we all know who presided over "get Modi" campaign. Right?

I find Democrats tend to be paki lover by nature. They love all kind of despotic regimes on regular basis. Jeb's brother did tried to improve relations with India. But EJ forces will be encouraged by Khan under him. In any even we need to concentrate on making ourselves strong in all aspects. That is the only way.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 17 Dec 2014 12:08

Yagnasri wrote:Jeb's brother did tried to improve relations with India. But EJ forces will be encouraged by Khan under him.

And put the visa ban on our current PM. When it comes to India, Dims and Retards are two sides of the same coin.

Yagnasri wrote:In any even we need to concentrate on making ourselves strong in all aspects. That is the only way.

Fully agree.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Dec 2014 12:30

Kashi sir I said EJ will be there for Bush. EJ did the thing on NM.

EJ was there under earlier Bush and will be there if there is one more Bush.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 17 Dec 2014 12:53

Yagnasri wrote:EJ was there under earlier Bush and will be there if there is one more Bush.

Spot on, though I would like to add that EJ menace will be there Bush or No-bush.

The last 8 years of Dimockratic Obama are an ample testimony to that. So were Madame Killington's "conjure-up-facts-since-we-cannot-find-'em" missions.

member_24684 · Post by **member_24684** » 17 Dec 2014 18:53

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The first meeting of the India-U.S. Contact Group on civil nuclear cooperation took place in New Delhi on December 16-17, 2014. The Contact Group was established pursuant to the decision of the Indian Prime Minister and the U.S. President as articulated in the Joint Statement of September 30, 2014 during Prime Minister Modi’s visit to the U.S., with a view to advance the implementation of the India-U.S. civil nuclear cooperation.

As mandated by the two leaders, the Contact Group, which comprised relevant experts from both sides, held detailed discussions on a range of implementation issues, including administrative issues, liability, technical issues and licensing to facilitate the establishment of U.S.-designed nuclear power plants in India. The discussions were positive and forward-looking and included representatives of nuclear industries from both sides – the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) from the Indian side and Westinghouse and GE-Hitachi from the U.S. side.

The two sides agreed to reconvene in early January 2015 to take the discussions forward.

First meeting of the India-U.S. Contact Group on Civil Nuclear Cooperation

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 17 Dec 2014 22:01

Going on now: Obama opening up to Cuba. Sanctions, business and travel restrictions to be lifted. How does India benefit from this?

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 18 Dec 2014 16:02

Cuba has long been part of the drug channel into US. If US is opening up to Cuba, then it can mean either of two things:
1. They need more people to act as mules to courier drugs into US.
2. Obama is a good man.

Take your pick.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2014 16:46

maybe since economy is going down, they need to open old drug trade via cuba. US is run by a group of oligarchs as is. Who are very versatile in the interests that they can pursue.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 18 Dec 2014 23:54

ombaba is going after legacy. he has got only healthcare to show for all these years.

he kept quiet for mid term elections and the result was a drubbing anyways.

probably decided that he's gonna go ahead and do things on his own and go out with a bang.

the immigration executive action and cuba thaw are a result of this. he might spring something in the india visit too.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 Dec 2014 00:53

Gus wrote:<snip>

he kept quiet for mid term elections and the result was a drubbing anyways.
<snip>

actually forced to keep quite as most if not all of the democrats wanted him not to campaign.They raised local issues and lost.

Kashi wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:Jeb's brother did tried to improve relations with India. But EJ forces will be encouraged by Khan under him.

And put the visa ban on our current PM. When it comes to India, Dims and Retards are two sides of the same coin.

they are plenty of dense heads in politics and they drew their power from their equally same population.

there are also a growing population "fed up" of christian lies etc. sort of free thinkers etc > 20% of population - there is a free flow from free thinkers to christian values and back--> hence numbers variable.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Dec 2014 01:01

Raphel-nama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Dec 2014 02:17

^^

Tall, blonde and blue-eyed, she has been described as an elegant and confident woman — comfortable on stage, literally. In the early 1970s she acted and danced in U.S.-backed productions in Tehran, where she taught at a women’s college.

Hutson, president of the international theater during Raphel’s Iran days, recalls that she was particularly memorable dancing the lead part in the rollicking musical “Anything Goes.”

Ze pendulum, it ij swinging, ya?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Dec 2014 02:27

A_Gupta wrote:Raphel-nama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html

She has had at 3 husbands, 1 boyfriend, and heaven knows how many more. That itself should tell something about her personality: arrogant & selfish for sure. I would love to see some SDRE diplomat clarify, but she must have come down as some kind of colonial madam proposing and expecting the SDREs to dispose.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 19 Dec 2014 02:30

Raphel’s career successes have been offset by tragedy and disappointments in her personal life. One of her early boyfriends — an Oxford roommate of the young Bill Clinton — would kill himself; an ex-husband died in a mysterious plane crash when he was U.S. ambassador to Pakistan.

She has endured three divorces — in the Foreign Service, marital strain often comes with the career — and raised two daughters largely on her own, according to acquaintances.

yikes, so how many hubbies/partners

first one killed himself of depression, arnie raphel died with zia, and two more here

In 1990, Raphel married Leonard Arthur Ashton, a South African journalist. She came into the marriage with a young daughter. She and Ashton also had a daughter together. By 1997 she was appointed ambassador to Tunisia.

Their marriage ended in 2000. She then married a British diplomat named Robert Pierce. They divorced in 2004.

and this

People who know her also mention that Raphel, a devoted equestrian, suffered a horrible riding accident in 1991 in India, thrown by her horse and kicked in the face. The blow rammed her nasal bone into her head, and she was hospitalized for weeks.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Dec 2014 02:39

^^^ This is par for the course normal Murican life. Husbands/boyfriends come anbd go, _____ are forever is the traditional refrain. Fill in ____ with friends, family, career, money, whatever. Family being paternal, maternal relatives. children too come and go as custody permits.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Dec 2014 02:47

Gus wrote:
People who know her also mention that Raphel, a devoted equestrian, suffered a horrible riding accident in 1991 in India, thrown by her horse and kicked in the face. The blow rammed her nasal bone into her head, and she was hospitalized for weeks.

Well at least One Indian took it out on her! As I say, the Indian horse is a true Equus Caballus! New Respect!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Dec 2014 03:24

As always Rajesh sir excellent.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Dec 2014 04:56

A new challenge to AmirKhan is they don't know to which among the billion citizen will Modi listen to in total. A clear and present situation!

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 20 Dec 2014 11:13

***X Posting***
Two absolutely must see videos by Rajiv Malhotra. In the 1st video, he explains crisply how to understand the "pop culture" versus the "deep culture" of USA. The 2nd video is about how the "India Studies" programs in the US work

The man's clarity of thought & his ability to articulate it is astonishing!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Dec 2014 20:01

Asha ‏@asha_ny 21h21 hours ago

Dr. Vivek Murthy, new US Surgeon general takes oath on the Bhagavadgita #Hinduism

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 20 Dec 2014 21:20

Saars, let's move this DK specific conv to Nukkad. I have posted my reply here: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1768001

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Dec 2014 11:18

duplicate deleted

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Dec 2014 11:51

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 98708.aspx

Gunman kills two New York cops to avenge deaths of blacks

A gunman fatally shot two New York police officers Saturday to avenge the deaths of African American Michael Brown and Eric Garner at the hands of the police. He then killed himself.

The killer, 28-year-old Ismaaiyl Brinsley, had posted messages on Instagram that clearly stated his intentions. One of them read, “They TAKE 1 Of Ours ... Lets Take 2 of Theirs.”

The police said Brinsley walked up to officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos as they sat in their patrol car in Brooklyn and opened fire on them from point-blank range.

“It’s clear that this was an assassination,” New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said at a news conference. “These officers were shot execution-style … it is an attack on all of us.”

Brinsley then ran into a nearby subway station with several police officers running after him. He was found lying on the floor with what the police said was a self-inflicted wound.

Since a grand jury declined to prosecute a white police officer who killed Brown in Ferguson, protests have been taking place all over the country every night practically.

They have intensified after another grand jury’ decided not to charge a white police officer for the death — caused by chokehold — of Eric Garner in New York city.

Protesters have targeted police officers specifically, clashing with them in some instances. Others have said the criminal justice system has a race problem in general.

A witness told The Daily Beast that some people at the site of the crime “clapped and laughed” at the shooting of the officers — saying the police force deserved it.