Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 May 2015 06:56

ramana wrote:So Pak Shias have to fight for self-determination in TSP itself. Escape is not an option.

Unfortunately - this is more wishful thinking than what I expect reality to be. Indian Shias, a successful business community have the clout to get many Pakistani shia relatives into India. What is more important under the circumstances is for imports from Pakistan to toe the Indian line 101%. Or else.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 14 May 2015 07:11

Peregrine wrote:Cricket diplomacy: Modi seeks to improve ties through Pak-India series

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi reiterated his resolve to break ice with the neighbouring country through "cricket diplomacy" despite the apprehensions raised by some Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) lawmakers about a proposed India-Pakistan cricket series, Indian Express reported on Tuesday.

"We have taken the decision to start a cricket series between both countries to improve our relations," said Modi during a BJP parliamentary party meeting on Tuesday, a BJP lawmaker who was present told IANS on the condition of anonymity.

Soon after a resolution was adopted appreciating initiatives taken by the Modi government during its first year in office, Modi said some of the members have expressed concern against the series and that is why he was "clearing the air", said the source. Party lawmaker R.K. Singh, a former union home secretary, had raised apprehension over the issue in the Lok Sabha on Monday. Cricketer-turned-BJP MP Kirti Azad had also opposed the move.

According to sources, only Modi spoke at the meeting. None of the MPs said anything this time, especially after Bharat Singh, a party MP from Uttar Pradesh, had criticised the government at the last parliamentary party meeting.

Last year cricket fans in the subcontinent were rejoiced when former International Cricket Council (ICC) chairman N Srinivasan's announce that India will renew bilateral series with Pakistan in 2015.

"There has been a proposal to resume bilateral cricket ties between India and Pakistan. As I understand as ICC chairman, there has been an agreement that the two teams will play each other soon," Srinivasan had said.

The teams are expected to take on each other in the United Arab Emirates in a full series comprising two Tests, five One Day Internationals and two T20 games. According to the Future Tours and Programmes (FTP) schedule drawn up by ICC, they will play four more full-length series over the next eight years.

The 2015 series will be a 'home' series for Pakistan, but owing to security issues, matches will have to be played in UAE.

Original Article from Indian Express : Modi Seeks to Improve Relations With Pakistan Via Cricket
Cheers

This won't happen. As usual, the Paki 'non-state actors' will come to our rescue (at some cost to us of course) even if our political crass doesn't.

-M

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 May 2015 07:14

Indian express news article
These days take any new item regarding pakistan and china with a truckload of salt

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 May 2015 08:13

Unconfirmed sources say Afghanis are behind Paki bus massacre. Every afghani killed will translate to 10 pakis killed. Once Shias are done they will kill Pakjabis.

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 May 2015 08:14

With all these DDM articles I am out of salt.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 14 May 2015 08:25

shiv wrote:Indian Shias, a successful business community have the clout to get many Pakistani shia relatives into India. What is more important under the circumstances is for imports from Pakistan to toe the Indian line 101%. Or else.

Shia Ismailis (Khojas and Bohras) are a successful business community - mainly because they are converted Hindu Lohanas who still retain some Hindu customs.

Indian Ismailis would be keen to assist in relocation of their brethren in Pakistan, who form a very small percentage of the much larger Shia community...GOI should green-light this. No better opportunity to further weaken the Pakistan economy than by depopulating it of its few entrepreneurs.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 14 May 2015 08:47

Arjun wrote:
shiv wrote:Indian Shias, a successful business community have the clout to get many Pakistani shia relatives into India. What is more important under the circumstances is for imports from Pakistan to toe the Indian line 101%. Or else.
Shia Ismailis (Khojas and Bohras) are a successful business community - mainly because they are converted Hindu Lohanas who still retain some Hindu customs.

Indian Ismailis would be keen to assist in relocation of their brethren in Pakistan, who form a very small percentage of the much larger Shia community...GOI should green-light this. No better opportunity to weaken the Pakistan economy than by depopulating it of its few entrepreneurs.

Do you suggest allowing Pakistan Muslims to enter India and become citizens? Next in line would be Ahmadis, followed by Shias, and finally also Sunnis. Likes of Beg/Gul in Pakistan Army do not care about their own people but would love to insert "demographic dividend" inside to destabilize the already challenging demographic situation in India.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 14 May 2015 09:03

We are talking about 500 - 750,000 at max of Shia Ismaili population in Pakistan. Ahmadiyas would be at least 5x of this number, other Shias maybe 20x. No way Indian demographics can afford entry of the latter two communities.

But as Shiv suggested, these Ismailis need to toe the Indian line. Also the Aga Khan policy of restricting Hindu elements of Khoja customs in the subcontinent needs to stop.

niran · Post by **niran** » 14 May 2015 09:25

Arjun wrote: But as Shiv suggested, these Ismailis need to toe the Indian line. Also the Aga Khan policy of restricting Hindu elements of Khoja customs in the subcontinent needs to stop.

how would one achieve that? every paki any where in the world regardless of their kind is a terrorist even if proven otherwise. let them stew in their country or they always can populate Al-Bartania.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 May 2015 09:42

Arjun wrote: Indian Ismailis would be keen to assist in relocation of their brethren in Pakistan, who form a very small percentage of the much larger Shia community...GOI should green-light this. No better opportunity to further weaken the Pakistan economy than by depopulating it of its few entrepreneurs.

Cost vs benefit. The benefits are few, the costs are many. In any case, Pakistan is brutally successful at depopulating itself of its few entrepreneurs.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 May 2015 09:54

Vipul wrote:Jinnah must be gulping desi tharra in jahaanum seeing how his fellow Ismaili Khoja's are being slaughtered in the country he founded supposedly for all muslims to prosper.

Not all Khojas approved of Jinnah.
http://thepartitionofindia.blogspot.com ... ion-2.html

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 May 2015 14:08

What is this fascination even on BRF to open the doors and let few Pakis in. Even one Paki is too many terrorists irrespective of which cult he/she belongs to. They by nature are in the business of killing Indians and only when indians are not available, the gun is turned on to those who were Indians before 1947.
As far kirkett, BCCI would not dare to move its a$$ if GoI dosn't want it to. BCCI is not some external super entity. BCCI is a side business for them and most of them are in the business of Politics or Business or both to go against the wishes of GoI.
We have seen such kite flying by Pakis/DDM even in the past so take it with Low Sodium NaCl.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 14:11

Jhujar wrote:Cricket with Poakroacheds!!
http://www.promptexecutivehire.co.uk/index.php
Militants attacked Kabul guesthouse thinking Indian ambassador was present

It is an ISI-LeT-Haqqani joint operation, as usual.

Now that China has established itself firmly in Pakistan and would be doing so sooner in Afghanistan, the Pakistani bravado will go skyhigh. We should expect attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan may try to attack Indian borders as well.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 May 2015 14:40

Why would ISI sabotage Cricket relations with India. They would be the ones making loads of money out of betting rackets run by Dawood and his goons.
So why on earth would they organize attacks on Indian targets in Afg till Cricket series is confirmed and money is waged.
Of course easiest explanation would be that they too know Cricket series is a pig that aint flying and hence they are not waiting for it to happen with baited breath.

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 May 2015 14:51

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... Abbottabad
Anyone remember Brig. Usman Khalid?

In the article titled, "Osama bin Laden killing: Pakistan officials 'out' spy who gave away al-Qaeda leader's location" it is mentioned that

Brigadier Usman Khalid died in London on the morning of 2 April, 2014.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 46802.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 16:14

VikasRaina wrote:Why would ISI sabotage Cricket relations with India. They would be the ones making loads of money out of betting rackets run by Dawood and his goons.
So why on earth would they organize attacks on Indian targets in Afg till Cricket series is confirmed and money is waged.

I don't know whether cricket will take place or not.

But, I do not (and did not) subscribe to the theory that ISI was making money out of cricket etc. So, my theory of ISI-LeT-Haqqani holds. I see no contradiction.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 14 May 2015 16:48

Arjun wrote:We are talking about 500 - 750,000 at max of Shia Ismaili population in Pakistan. Ahmadiyas would be at least 5x of this number, other Shias maybe 20x. No way Indian demographics can afford entry of the latter two communities.

But as Shiv suggested, these Ismailis need to toe the Indian line. Also the Aga Khan policy of restricting Hindu elements of Khoja customs in the subcontinent needs to stop.

Once the program starts, would it be difficult to restrict it to only Ismailis?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 16:56

RAW involved in terrorist activities across Pakistan: foreign secretary - DAWN

Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry on Thursday said the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is involved in various terrorist activities across Pakistan.

Chaudhry added that the matter had been taken up "a number of times" at the highest level with India through diplomatic channels.

Earlier during the day, the spokesperson for the Foreign Office responding to a question about Pakistan's relationship with Afghanistan had said that Pakistan has told Afghanistan that Indian spy agency RAW should not be allowed to operate against Pakistan from Afghan territory.

The statement follows after a visit by Pakistani premier Nawaz Sharif to Afghanistan, where he pledged Pakistan's support in the fight against the Afghan Taliban.

Last week, the military’s top brass accused RAW of supporting terrorism in Pakistan. A previous ISPR statement on a meeting of the Corps Commanders held at the General Headquarters said: “The conference also took serious notice of RAW’s involvement in whipping up terrorism in Pakistan.”

While RAW has been blamed by Pakistani authorities in the past, it is unusual for a corps commanders’ conference to directly point fingers at the hostile intelligence outfit.

Despite consistently pointing out RAW’s hand behind terrorism in the country, Pakistani authorities have traditionally been uncommunicative about proofs. Indian backing of insurgency in Balochistan got a mention in a Pakistan-India joint statement issued after a meeting of their prime ministers in Sharm-el-Sheikh in 2009, but Islamabad failed to follow up that diplomatic achievement with concrete proofs.

Earlier this year, however, the government decided to take a tougher approach towards India and forcefully raise its concerns over alleged Indian involvement in acts of terrorism in the country. The change had been forced by Delhi’s continued terrorism allegations for building a narrative that India was a victim of Pakistan-sponsored terrorism.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 May 2015 17:06

SSridhar wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Cricket with Poakroacheds!!

http://www.promptexecutivehire.co.uk/index.php

Militants attacked Kabul guesthouse thinking Indian ambassador was present
It is an ISI-LeT-Haqqani joint operation, as usual.

Now that China has established itself firmly in Pakistan and would be doing so sooner in Afghanistan, the Pakistani bravado will go skyhigh. We should expect attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan may try to attack Indian borders as well.

More on the Kabul attack.

Afghan media article that Indian Ambassador was the target for attack on Kabul guest house per Afghanistan President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani’s special envoy for good governance, Ahmad Zia Massoud :

Militants attacked Kabul guesthouse thinking Indian ambassador was present

member_28921 · Post by **member_28921** » 14 May 2015 17:12

Joseph wrote:
Arjun wrote:We are talking about 500 - 750,000 at max of Shia Ismaili population in Pakistan. Ahmadiyas would be at least 5x of this number, other Shias maybe 20x. No way Indian demographics can afford entry of the latter two communities.

But as Shiv suggested, these Ismailis need to toe the Indian line. Also the Aga Khan policy of restricting Hindu elements of Khoja customs in the subcontinent needs to stop.

Once the program starts, would it be difficult to restrict it to only Ismailis?

Very unlikely to restrict it to just one sect. There was some rona-dhona when the Indian government decided to ease the process for long term visas for Pakistani Hindus, a minority which is actively demonized and officially treated as second class - I can't think of anyone more deserving of asylum.

Bakistan being Bakistan, there will always be some non-majority oppressed sect that needs sanctuary. If we permit some Bakis in, others will follow, legally or illegally. One group that comes to mind, which can follow immediately is those who have relations in India - not just those married to an Indian but entire extended clans - so not just Mr. Sania Mirza but the entire Baki Xi.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 17:34

Shaharyar invites BCCI officials for Zimbabwe series - DAWN

“We are hopeful that Arun Jaitley or Anurag Thakur will come to Lahore as our special guests for one of the limited-overs matches against Zimbabwe in Lahore later this month,”

Broadcasting rights issue no threat to Indo-Pak series: Shaharyar - DAWN

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shaharyar Khan said on Wednesday that the broadcast rights issue will not be a hindrance for December’s proposed Indo-Pak cricket series in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and exuded confidence that the two boards will sort out the matter soon.

Shaharyar Khan is an old bandicoot and as is the general behaviour of a Pakistani, he is trying to be too smart (aka clever-by-half). We do not clearly know at this time what is happening on this issue from the Indian side. Anyway, Shaharyar is trying to create an impression that things are going in the right direction as far as an India-series is concerned. If the series does not take place for whatever reason, seven months are too long in an India-Pakistan relationship and anything can happen, he can not only claim a personal martyrdom but also paint Hindu baniya small-hearted India with a blackbrush. All the Pakistanis will gulp it and will be just one more grouse in the long laundry wash-list.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 17:41

Aga Khan has demonstrated his anti-Indian attitude on various occasions. Just a reminder.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 14 May 2015 17:53

wig wrote:In the article titled, "Osama bin Laden killing: Pakistan officials 'out' spy who gave away al-Qaeda leader's location" it is mentioned that
Brigadier Usman Khalid died in London on the morning of 2 April, 2014.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 46802.html

Well, isn't that convenient. (for ISI)

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 May 2015 18:19

Arjun wrote:We are talking about 500 - 750,000 at max of Shia Ismaili population in Pakistan. Ahmadiyas would be at least 5x of this number, other Shias maybe 20x. No way Indian demographics can afford entry of the latter two communities.

But as Shiv suggested, these Ismailis need to toe the Indian line. Also the Aga Khan policy of restricting Hindu elements of Khoja customs in the subcontinent needs to stop.

Arjun Ji :

Which Planet are you living on?

There was a BBC Documentary "Serial" on India, possibly a Decade or more ago. In one of the Episodes a number of Muslims were asked if THEY WERE INDIAN FIRST OR MUSLIM FIRST.

The Answer : MUSLIM FIRST.

Cheers

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 14 May 2015 18:28

Bakistan - India kirket series news == Bakistan granting ~~MFN~~ NDMA for India news

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 May 2015 18:37

Rahul Dravid bats for India-Pakistan series from cricketing angle

Another ONE bought off!

My take : Dalmiya is only looking at the "Money" earned from the Series. To him and his ILK Laxmi is more important than India.
Cheers

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 May 2015 18:37

RoyG wrote:Just let them all torch each other. Whether they're 10-20-30%, it doesn't matter. There seems to be enough that once pushed completely against the wall, they will hit back if someone supplies them.

Ismailis, Sufis, etc are like Jesuits. They just soften the target before the invasion. As such, they deserve to perish along with the Sunnis.

Ismailis are now considered "soft power" Muslims. Once upon a time they were feared dope-smoking assassins. Now they represent the mercantile arm of the feudal Islamic social model.

Their leader Aga Khan was a huge bankroller of Pakistan and continues to be heavily involved in its economy.

They are the equivalent of the "high kultur" Germans who backed up the Nazi project to take over Europe. Till the actual war started, British upper classes were very comfortable and sympatico with this face of Nazi Germany. You can work out the parallels with India.

WW 2 spelled the growth of democratization and the effective decline of the aristocracies in both Britain and Europe. That may be a historical pointer for India: end the DIE if India is to survive the nexus of RAPE and DIE classes. It's class warfare but DIE is firmly in control of class narrative in India, the plebians and proletariat are portrayed as class enemies.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 14 May 2015 18:42

For those who want to import Ismailis and accelerate the genocide of Hindus in India itself:

Aga Khan and Pakistan
FROM THE NEWSPAPER — PUBLISHED NOV 02, 2014 06:24AM

APROPOS the news item ‘Role of various leaders in Pakistan Movement highlighted’ (Oct 17), I would like to point out the efforts of Sir Aga Khan III for the creation of Pakistan. Born in Karachi on Nov 2, 1877, Sir Sultan Mohammed Shah Aga Khan was a visionary leader who guided the Muslim nationalist movement, nursing the All-India Muslim League into a strong, united organisation which played an important role in the evolution of Pakistan.

In 1906, he helped in founding the Muslim League and remained its president for seven years. On Oct 1, 1906, the Aga Khan led a delegation of 35 Muslim leaders of India to Shimla and presented a memorandum on behalf of the Muslims of South Asia.

He presented an address to the Viceroy with a clear message which was as follows: “Muslims of India should not be regarded as a mere minority community but a separate nation, whose rights and obligations should be guaranteed by a statue and this was sought to be achieved through adequate and separate representation for Muslims both on local bodies and in legislative councils.”– The Memoirs of Aga Khan

On Oct 24, 1906, he wrote a letter to Nawab Mohsin-ul-Mulk, which went down in the history of South Asian Muslims because it ignited the Muslim League under whose banner the Muslims won their freedom and Pakistan was created.

Sir Sultan contributed vast amounts of personal wealth and energy toward the creation of Pakistan.

His contacts with the heads of state and the international elite helped gather world support. Prince Aly Khan, his eldest son, served as Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the UN.

In 1911, the Aga Khan took it upon himself to collect funds to establish the Aligarh Muslim University. Subsequently, he also established and funded education and health institutions across South Asia.We must at least recognise the great Muslim leader by remembering his name amongst the list of leaders responsible for the creation of Pakistan.

Hussain Bux

Karachi

Published in Dawn, November 2nd, 2014

http://www.dawn.com/news/1141881

Aga Khan also contributed towards buying Gwadar from Oman.

Anyone who understands something as simple as what Jan Assmann terms as the Mosaic distinction would know why they should never be let in.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 18:52

Surasena wrote:For those who want to import Ismailis and accelerate the genocide of Hindus in India itself:
Aga Khan and Pakistan
. . .
In 1906, he helped in founding the Muslim League and remained its president for seven years. On Oct 1, 1906, the Aga Khan led a delegation of 35 Muslim leaders of India to Shimla and presented a memorandum on behalf of the Muslims of South Asia.

And that led to the idea of reserved seats for Muslims in elections thus leading to exclusivism and eventual separation.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 May 2015 18:52

VikasRaina wrote:Why would ISI sabotage Cricket relations with India. They would be the ones making loads of money out of betting rackets run by Dawood and his goons.
So why on earth would they organize attacks on Indian targets in Afg till Cricket series is confirmed and money is waged.
Of course easiest explanation would be that they too know Cricket series is a pig that aint flying and hence they are not waiting for it to happen with baited breath.

Maybe...

It is a kind of probing test they can't help doing. Each time India "surrenders" they have to push the envelope to find out how thorough and deep the surrender is: in other words, push India to make the surrender uninterrupted and uninterruptible, because you know, the jingos on "both " sides, that is to say Hindu Terrorists, will succeed in their nefarious agenda otherwise.

So it may not be sabotaging but stress-testing the commitment of the dhimmis. A by-the-book protocol with Quran and Muslim military history being the textbooks.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 May 2015 18:55

Zimbabwe assesses Pakistan tour safety report - Dawn

Zimbabwe cricket authorities said Thursday they were examining a report on the safety of playing in Pakistan, ahead of what is scheduled to be first tour by a Test-playing nation since a deadly attack on the Sri Lankan team bus.

Zimbabwe are due to arrive in Pakistan on May 22 to play three one-day and two T20 matches.

Security concerns rose further on Wednesday when gunmen attacked a passenger bus and killed at least 43 people in Karachi.

“One thing is very clear; Pakistan is not a safe destination to travel to,” the Daily News said. “Pakistan is on fire at the moment.”{Is that a Zimbabwean paper?}

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 May 2015 18:57

PeregrineJi, first of all, if you read RD's exact comment, he said from a cricketing perspective, it will be good, but other issues need to be sorted. So I will cut him some slack.

But that said, this whole crap is being framed by DDM and others from the false premise that "Kirket and politics should not be mixed". So long as that is the realm within which the debate occurs, you will always find unsuspecting guys like Rahul Dravid, and I heard even one of my favorite bats of all time, my man VVS Laxman, say the same thing. In fact, huge swathes of educated Indians will subscribe to that nonsense.

Watch Maroof Raza on Dorknob last night. We are not talking about politics, we are talking about murder and mayhem sponsored by TSP. We are talking about the very same people that supposedly want better ties turning up in large numbers of Hafeez pig's rallies. I mean politics is about disagreement on a trade deal or monetary policy etc. But this is about Indian lives, and TSP's obsession to undo India. And by playing kirket, India is only helping TSP in these obsessions. This must be the premise of the debate.

A simple way for ModiJi to address and shut the debate once for all is to lay down measurable markers: TSP hands over the suspects of 26/11, Dawood, and other terrorists, then we will resume kirket. That is it. Does ModiJi and DovalJi have the b@lls to declare so? What stops them I wonder. Corporate pressure? US/UK pressure? That they will be labelled "Hindu fascists"? This is such a leverage, perhaps, one of the few that India has, and should be using it.

kish · Post by **kish** » 14 May 2015 19:32

SSridhar wrote:Zimbabwe assesses Pakistan tour safety report - Dawn
Zimbabwe cricket authorities said Thursday they were examining a report on the safety of playing in Pakistan, ahead of what is scheduled to be first tour by a Test-playing nation since a deadly attack on the Sri Lankan team bus.

Zimbabwe are due to arrive in Pakistan on May 22 to play three one-day and two T20 matches.

Security concerns rose further on Wednesday when gunmen attacked a passenger bus and killed at least 43 people in Karachi.

“One thing is very clear; Pakistan is not a safe destination to travel to,” the Daily News said. “Pakistan is on fire at the moment.”{Is that a Zimbabwean paper?}

Saar, the tour has been abandoned.

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 12m12 minutes ago

#BREAKING Zimbabwe abandon planned cricket tour to Pakistan

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 14 May 2015 19:37

"Kirket and politics should not be mixed"

Lets organise a match in any muslim country with a guest team from Israel then.

(P.S. Post not aimed ay anyone in particular)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2015 19:51

Someone needs to update Shahryar "Bandicoot" Khan that Zimbabwe cancelled the cricket series due to safety concerns. So Large or small hearted Jaitely and Thakur shouldn't visit Lahore.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 May 2015 20:04

CRamS wrote: A simple way for ModiJi to address and shut the debate once for all is to lay down measurable markers: TSP hands over the suspects of 26/11, Dawood, and other terrorists, then we will resume kirket. That is it. Does ModiJi and DovalJi have the b@lls to declare so? What stops them I wonder. Corporate pressure? US/UK pressure? That they will be labelled "Hindu fascists"? This is such a leverage, perhaps, one of the few that India has, and should be using it.

I think this is the primary school teacher model of imposing discipline.

But in India coercion does not work. It should be easy to have a "breakaway" C team of cricketers willing to play in Pakistan simply because Modi opposes it. That would be disastrous for PR

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 14 May 2015 20:08

To this Islamic civilization all Moslems are deeply attached. In this larger sense, Pan-Islamism is universal. Even the most liberal-minded Moslems, however much they may welcome Western ideas, and however strongly they may condemn the fanatical, reactionary aspects of the political Pan-Islamic movement, believe fervently in Islam's essential solidarity. As a leading Indian Moslem liberal, The Aga Khan, remarks: "There is a right and legitimate Pan-Islamism to which every sincere and believing Mohammedan belongs—that is, the theory of the spiritual brotherhood and unity of the children of the Prophet. The real spiritual and cultural unity of Islam must ever grow, for to the follower of the Prophet it is the foundation of the life and the soul."[57]

If such is the attitude of Moslem liberals, thoroughly conversant with Western culture and receptive to Western progress, what must be the feelings of the Moslem masses, ignorant, reactionary, and fanatical? Besides perfectly understandable fear and hatred due to Western aggression, there is, among the Moslem masses, a great deal of genuine fanaticism caused, not by European political domination, but by religious bigotry and blind hatred of Western civilization.[58] But this fanaticism has, of course, been greatly inflamed by the political events of the past decade, until to-day religious, cultural, and political hatred of the West have coalesced in a state of mind decidedly ominous for the peace of the world. We should not delude ourselves into minimizing the dangerous possibilities of the present situation. Just because the fake "Holy War" proclaimed by the Young-Turks at German instigation in 1914 did not come off is no reason for believing that a real holy war is impossible. As a German staff-officer in Turkish service during the late struggle very candidly says: "The Holy War was an absolute fiasco just because it was not a Holy War."[59] I have already explained how most Moslems saw through the trick and refused to budge...

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24107/24 ... 4107-h.htm

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 May 2015 20:43

Zimbabwe tour abandoned and then un-abandoned all in a space of 15 minutes.

Dawn

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 May 2015 20:43

CRamS wrote:PeregrineJi, first of all, if you read RD's exact comment, he said from a cricketing perspective, it will be good, but other issues need to be sorted. So I will cut him some slack.

But that said, this whole crap is being framed by DDM and others from the false premise that "Kirket and politics should not be mixed". So long as that is the realm within which the debate occurs, you will always find unsuspecting guys like Rahul Dravid, and I heard even one of my favorite bats of all time, my man VVS Laxman, say the same thing. In fact, huge swathes of educated Indians will subscribe to that nonsense.

Watch Maroof Raza on Dorknob last night. We are not talking about politics, we are talking about murder and mayhem sponsored by TSP. We are talking about the very same people that supposedly want better ties turning up in large numbers of Hafeez pig's rallies. I mean politics is about disagreement on a trade deal or monetary policy etc. But this is about Indian lives, and TSP's obsession to undo India. And by playing kirket, India is only helping TSP in these obsessions. This must be the premise of the debate.

A simple way for ModiJi to address and shut the debate once for all is to lay down measurable markers: TSP hands over the suspects of 26/11, Dawood, and other terrorists, then we will resume kirket. That is it. Does ModiJi and DovalJi have the b@lls to declare so? What stops them I wonder. Corporate pressure? US/UK pressure? That they will be labelled "Hindu fascists"? This is such a leverage, perhaps, one of the few that India has, and should be using it.

CRamS Ji :

I couldn't have said it any better.

I suppose the Indian DDM which is seeking the Cwapistani free Kabab and Sharab visits to Lahore etc. has fogotten the ICC as well as the World barring Cricketing Interaction in and with South Africa due to the South African Policy of Apartheid .

This was nothing but a use of "Kirket and politics" by the ICC and all the World's Cricket Playing nations.

I think Modi Ji's and Doval Ji's "Silence" is most probably due to their being "Clued In" with the latest Deveoplemts in Kirket as the latest from Zimbabwe!
Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 May 2015 20:47

saip wrote:Zimbabwe tour abandoned and then un-abandoned all in a space of 15 minutes.

Dawn

saip Ji :

Zimbabwe needs to play "Kirket" is possibly the same, if not more than Cwapistan.
Cheers