Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

[abhijitm]

Anyone keeping count of lashes delivered to lal topi?

[Amber G.]

^^^ Nawaj vs Modi -- ok Some = =

Here Satya Nadela's "Baap" (as PR office of PM said) actually "PRAISING" Sharif for having only 32 cases of polio! (Bharat as everyone knows gotten no praise -- it does not even have a single case of polio)
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Why is Nawaz Tied to wall by Chain/ leash on right side.

Meanwhile: A tweet: Look who is saying "Kem cho PM.. Just dropped by! Missed You in Silicon Valley"

( @BillGates says hello to PM" External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Vikas Swarup tweeted )



BTW: Bill gates & PakiPM Meeting was not about BG "praising" Pak -as most of the Paki rags reported .. it was Sharif updating Bill Gates of "the usage of funds he granted to Islamabad to eradicate polio.”

[Peregrine]

Kashmir issue is India-Pak matter, Obama agrees

NEW YORK: President Barack Obama on Monday agreed with Prime Minister Narendra Modi that Kashmir is a bilateral issue to be resolved between India and Pakistan as they held talks here during which terrorism emanating from Pakistan also came up.

"There was a broad acknowledgement that this is a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan and people were happy for India and Pakistan to resolve it among themselves," external affairs ministry spokesman Vikas Swarup told reporters here when asked whether Kashmir came up during Modi and Obama talks.

Swarup, while briefing on Modi's meetings with Obama as well as UK Premier David Cameron and French President Francois Hollande, said Pakistan came up in the context of terrorism.

"There was a discussion on Pakistan in one of the meetings in the context of terrorism, broadly the idea was if terrorism has to be fought then all countries have to be on the same page. You can't have some countries talking of good and bad terrorists," he said.

To a question on why it was taking so long in framing the definition of terror by the UN, Swarup said, "Some, in particular, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) lobby wants to include freedom fighters for instances in the definition of terrorism."

He said, "Some compromise formulations have been put forward but they have not yet been agreed."

He said India hopes that things would move forward in the 70th anniversary of the UN.

On ISIS, Swarup said, "There was no discussion on the terror group as such, but Modi himself said that terrorism has to be fought collectively and globally then all the countries have to be on the same page."
Cheers

[Amber G.]

Added to my previous post:
BTW: Bill gates & PakiPM Meeting was not about BG "praising" Pak -as most of the Paki rags reported .. it was Sharif updating Bill Gates of "the usage of funds he granted to Islamabad to eradicate polio.”

BWT They say the Paki - H&D is saved ... By none other than NaMo..

See here: Paki PM waving and getting waved at (and a smile too!!!) by worlds largest Democracy leader.

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[Amber G.]

Another == ( or contrast) (Difference between Confidence of Modi and Nawaz Sharif during speech in UN)

[Amber G.]

^^^ I first thought that the funny clearing of the throat sound was someone's idea of editing.. but NO this is real
Check out the un site (http://webtv.un.org/search/part-10-un- ... =pakistan)

What is even more note-worthy is while Modi's speech was translated (simultaneously) into English, Arabic, Chinese, French, Russian etc.. Sharif's speech was in English ONLY and no other translation is available at the UN site (even in no urdu!!!)

[Kashi]

Immense Khujli in Paki media over Modi's US visit; Shahid Masood using phrases like "item song" etc.

Moreover, the taqleef has only intensified since Modi has completely and utterly ignored them, except when it came to terrorism

[partha]

Meanwhile.. Paki supreme court is listening to Modi, and to do a = = passed a law that directs Prime Minister and the President to deliver speeches in Urdu language whether inside or outside the country.

This is not the first time this has happened. Pakis have been observing and copying Modi ever since he became PM. After Modi announced Mudra Bank, Pakis are considering setting up a micro finance institution -
http://tribune.com.pk/story/962915/cred ... e-company/

Pakistan considers setting up Microfinance Company

[Suraj]

These conditions are unfortunately ripe for a terror attack, as if to demonstrate "we still matter, and you can't stop us!", never mind the irony of an attack right after a statement against terrorism .

[JE Menon]

^^Fully agree. High profile, and possibly leadership targeting. Very dangerous situation. I hope the military in Pakistan has been fully and appropriately warned about the repercussions. It will not be something they can back out of.

[shiv]

^^Fully agree. High profile, and possibly leadership targeting. Very dangerous situation. I hope the military in Pakistan has been fully and appropriately warned about the repercussions. It will not be something they can back out of.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mum ... 701533.ece

Mumbai airport on high alert after threat call

[RajeshA]

Pakistanis are unnecessarily being too self-critical in the aftermath of this UN summit.

There is no need to do comparisons between Nawaz Sharif's performance in USA viz-a-viz Modi's swashbuckling performance there. Many Pakistanis are needlessly cursing the lack of marketing skills by Nawaz Sharif.

In fact Pakistanis ought to be very proud of their marketing skills. They have managed the ultimate, they have managed to sell poop to the whole world, for that is what Pakistaniyat is. Pakistaniyat is a load of stinking poop. And Pakis have been selling this poop for over 60 years, with great deft and cunning. Now that is a coup.

But the stink of Pakistaniyat is now becoming too great even for countries like USA and UK who have no sense of smell.

They should compliment Nawaz Sharif for even managing to get Pakistan an entry into the halls of civilized world.

I would say at any given time in history, Pakistan's marketing skills were always an order of magnitude greater than those of India. You, Pakis, make Sooth Asia proud.

[arun]

Joh Dera Ismail Khan mein g**du, woh Darmstadt mein bhi g**du.

“Originally from Pakistan” Asadullah Khan in Court for honour killing his daughter.

Muslim parents face court in Germany after murdering daughter for shoplifting condoms to have sex with forbidden boyfriend :

A MUSLIM father has admitted to strangling his 19-year-old daughter to death after she was caught shoplifting condoms to use with a man she had been forbidden from dating.

Asadullah Khan, 51, used his bare hands to strangle his daughter Lareeb because she had brought “dishonour” to the family, the court in Germany heard.

His wife Shazia Khan, 41, is also on trial for their daughter’s murder as she did not attempt to stop him.

The couple, originally from Pakistan, then dressed their daughter in her dental assistant work attire and used a wheelchair to transport her to their car. They used the car to relocate her body from their high-rise apartment in the city of Darmstadt to a forest, where they disposed of it by rolling her down the hill.

Mr Khan said the family’s honour had been jeopardised after Lareeb had started dating a man despite attempts by her family to stop it. …………………….

[Vipul]

Immense heart burn in Pakistan for the star treatment to Modi and the absolute non-event that Nawaz Sharif has become in in America.
ISI/Army mouthpieces in the "anal"yst brigade have been active on the "talk shows" saying Pakistan "bilkul akela nahin hai", "pakistan ek bada mulk hai" and the clincher "Hame zara bhi ehsaas-e-kum tareen hone ki zarurat nahin hai"

Pakis simply cannot figure out how to handle Modi. Their frustration is clearly evident in the various talk shows at the increasing importance that India is getting globally.

[chetak]

Added to my previous post:
BTW: Bill gates & PakiPM Meeting was not about BG "praising" Pak -as most of the Paki rags reported .. it was Sharif updating Bill Gates of "the usage of funds he granted to Islamabad to eradicate polio.”

BWT They say the Paki - H&D is saved ... By none other than NaMo..

See here: Paki PM waving and getting waved at (and a smile too!!!) by worlds largest Democracy leader.

The GOI has denied that Modi waved to sharif. It was on the ticker on some TV channel

[Kashi]

Immense heart burn in Pakistan for the star treatment to Modi and the absolute non-event that Nawaz Sharif has become in in America.
ISI/Army mouthpieces in the "anal"yst brigade have been active on the "talk shows" saying Pakistan "bilkul akela nahin hai", "pakistan ek bada mulk hai" and the clincher "Hame zara bhi ehsaas-e-kum tareen hone ki zarurat nahin hai"

Pakis simply cannot figure out how to handle Modi. Their frustration is clearly evident in the various talk shows at the increasing importance that India is getting globally.

Some youtube links?

Where is Gaganullah???

[RajeshA]

Pakistaniyat is in a way legitimization of a feudal structure through the use of Islam as the basis of its nationhood. The feudal structures in Pakistan were never changed into anything more egalitarian.

The fundamental fact about feudalism is that there is zero interest among the feudal elite to do any human resource development or to unduly worry about the basic services being provided to the population. Why should they do it? That way, they would only endanger their continued rule over the masses.

India seems to have gotten over this problem to a large extent. In Pakistan it is not solvable.

[A_Gupta]

Pakistaniyat is in a way legitimization of a feudal structure through the use of Islam as the basis of its nationhood. The feudal structures in Pakistan were never changed into anything more egalitarian.

Key insight! Add to it an anglophone "liberal" window-dressing.

[SSridhar]

As I already mentioned in another context, the AIML which Jinnah was trying to revive in the mid-30s, upon return from self-exile in the UK, exploited the fears of the Muslim zamindars in the UP, Punjab and Bengal about losing their lands if the INC won and introduced its socialism. All bigwigs supporting the AIML such as Liaquat Ali Khan, various Nawabs, Raja of Mahmudabad et al were big-time landlords of these areas (though in the Punjab, Mian Fazl-e-Hussain of the Unionist Party led the Zamindars and ensured the ML had little presence there). Raja of Mehmudabad said in meetings that Islam was inherently socialistic while also claiming, at the same time from a different corner of his mouth, that socialism was inherently anti-Islamic.

[rsingh]

Anyone keeping count of lashes delivered to lal topi?

Saudis were counting but one day camel ate the notebook....................so they have to start all over again to count properly. Salam

[rsingh]

Joh Dera Ismail Khan mein g**du, woh Darmstadt mein bhi g**du.

“Originally from Pakistan” Asadullah Khan in Court for honour killing his daughter.

Muslim parents face court in Germany after murdering daughter for shoplifting condoms to have sex with forbidden boyfriend :

A MUSLIM father has admitted to strangling his 19-year-old daughter to death after she was caught shoplifting condoms to use with a man she had been forbidden from dating.

Asadullah Khan, 51, used his bare hands to strangle his daughter Lareeb because she had brought “dishonour” to the family, the court in Germany heard.

His wife Shazia Khan, 41, is also on trial for their daughter’s murder as she did not attempt to stop him.

The couple, originally from Pakistan, then dressed their daughter in her dental assistant work attire and used a wheelchair to transport her to their car. They used the car to relocate her body from their high-rise apartment in the city of Darmstadt to a forest, where they disposed of it by rolling her down the hill.

Mr Khan said the family’s honour had been jeopardised after Lareeb had started dating a man despite attempts by her family to stop it. …………………….

Girl buying condom for boy friend. It is quite unusual for a girl from conservative family.What the hell boy friend was doing. I see that girl bought ( caught stealing)condom for "just in case" type random encounters. Such goris keep a condom or two in purse.

[JE Menon]

^^It's quite normal. Girl buys because boyfriend doesn't want to use condom so rarely buys. It could also be for random enocounters. In this case, she shoplifted, to be precise.

[shiv]

Anyone keeping count of lashes delivered to lal topi?

Someone said his "laash" was found in Makkah

[A_Gupta]

^^^ If this murder in Germany is relevant, some German links are here, translate.google.com is your friend:

http://www.bild.de/regional/frankfurt/p ... .bild.html

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/e ... ageIndex_2

The family is Ahmeddiya Muslim. The boyfriend is from the same community. They'd been meeting for two years, and wanted to get married. The parents didn't allow it. Community mediation did not work. The victim is alleged suspected of shoplifting "costume jewelry and condoms", which is allegedly what caused the father to snap.

PS: this shoplifting claim is what the parents as defendants told the court, I think the mother. The mother claims to have been helpless in preventing the murder. The younger daughter is testifying against the parents and refuses to have anything to do with them. Other testimony is that Lareeb had arguments with her father, stopped wearing hijab and stayed away from their home.

[Singha]

not even the pakistanis are sure why he was jailed and what is his sentence. maybe they will grant consular access to the red-cap seer and quietly release him in a few months.

[shiv]

Pakistaniyat is in a way legitimization of a feudal structure through the use of Islam as the basis of its nationhood. The feudal structures in Pakistan were never changed into anything more egalitarian.

The fundamental fact about feudalism is that there is zero interest among the feudal elite to do any human resource development or to unduly worry about the basic services being provided to the population. Why should they do it? That way, they would only endanger their continued rule over the masses.

India seems to have gotten over this problem to a large extent. In Pakistan it is not solvable.

A post that needs to be carved in stone.

It is solvable only by revolution. That is possible only if the Paki army becomes weak.

[Prem]

Pakistaniyat is in a way legitimization of a feudal structure through the use of Islam as the basis of its nationhood. The feudal structures in Pakistan were never changed into anything more egalitarian.The fundamental fact about feudalism is that there is zero interest among the feudal elite to do any human resource development or to unduly worry about the basic services being provided to the population. Why should they do it? That way, they would only endanger their continued rule over the masses.India seems to have gotten over this problem to a large extent. In Pakistan it is not solvable.

Hassan Nisar told of one incident that one time 40 Poakserfs jumped into water to fetch one bird hunted by feudal lord. One dignitary accompanying the feudal was startled to watch such slavish behaviour. It dawned on him that why feudals oppose secular education as they will loose their lordship over pile of Foolshii..

[ramana]

Meanwhile.. Paki supreme court is listening to Modi, and to do a = = passed a law that directs Prime Minister and the President to deliver speeches in Urdu language whether inside or outside the country.

This is not the first time this has happened. Pakis have been observing and copying Modi ever since he became PM. After Modi announced Mudra Bank, Pakis are considering setting up a micro finance institution -
http://tribune.com.pk/story/962915/cred ... e-company/

Pakistan considers setting up Microfinance Company

What micro-finance Company! They already have D Company running hawala networks.

[ramana]

Pakistaniyat is in a way legitimization of a feudal structure through the use of Islam as the basis of its nationhood. The feudal structures in Pakistan were never changed into anything more egalitarian.

The fundamental fact about feudalism is that there is zero interest among the feudal elite to do any human resource development or to unduly worry about the basic services being provided to the population. Why should they do it? That way, they would only endanger their continued rule over the masses.

India seems to have gotten over this problem to a large extent. In Pakistan it is not solvable.

A post that needs to be carved in stone.

It is solvable only by revolution. That is possible only if the Paki army becomes weak.

What is needed is aam abduls to interpret the Holy book in their own way.

Right now Mullah-Army nexus keeps the latter in power.

[Prem]

#IStandWithIndianMuslims: Indian police detain ‘Muslim’ lambs on Eidul Azha

When the Delhi police were contacted for comment, police spokesperson, Inspector Sarju Golmaal said the police are acting within the law in the best interest of the Muslims. Barring any action by police, local Hindu clerics will be tempted to enter the Muslim houses and stop the sacrifice on their own.“Is this what you want?” he asked, angrily pointing at the reporter.Amidst the craziness, India’s civil society and liberal circles on social media openly condemned this move.“Pakistan has launched a satellite to Mars and look at our issues here at home. How embarrassing!” said Indian journalist Janam Kapoor.The Indian government, as usual, remains shamelessly silent on this embarrassing violation of the freedom of religion of India’s Muslim population.When will Indians garner the courage to stand up to this religious extremism and continued bullying by extremist Hindu clerics?When will the state stop appeasing to their demands and consider the Muslims their own?While we press Indian authorities and the public for answers, let us show our support for Indian Muslims through social media and tweet out #IStandWithIndianMuslims. Let us reach out to them and extend our #EidMubarak to them.This simple gesture of solidarity might be the least we can do.

Its Poak Satire

[Rajdeep]

News360: Visuals expose PoK horror


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJykCvgtFho

The real face of Pakistan occupied Kashmir has been exposed. There are massive protests against the Pakistani government in several areas of PoK, including Muzaffarabad, Gilgit and Kotli. CNN-IBN exposes how the Pakistani establishment is using brutal force to quell rebellion in the region, resorting to massive human rights violation even though Islamabad has never lost an opportunity to hit out at New Delhi over Kashmir and the alleged attempts to suppress the people living in the Valley.

[vishvak]

Jo Pakistan me Pakitani, wo Germany me bhi Pakistani!
Riots at immigration camp

It took police several hours to quell the violence between some 400 migrants at Calden, near Kassel in central Germany, German media report.
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But one migrant group was moved out to separate accommodation.
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Tensions have arisen there and elsewhere over the way asylum claims are handled, as Syrians and Iraqis are usually prioritised for refugee status.
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Several German politicians have argued that different ethnic groups should be housed in separate migrant accommodation.

A lot of brotherhood until reaching Europe where the pious brothers immediately show the true colors. The separate migrant accommodation idea is merely a symptom.
More on this:
link - has pics but does not give politically incorrect details!
Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria - taqiya operation ongoing at cost of actual citizens affected and ones ready to provide help.

[Abhay_S]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... r-strategy


ISLAMABAD: A recently retired lieutenant general and a retired air vice marshal have highlighted some basic lapses in the present military strategy for Pakistan’s war-on-terror.

Former IGP of the Frontier Corps, KP and former corps commander Mangla Lt. Gen. (R) Tariq Khan and Air Vice Marshal Shahzad Chaudhry have argued in their writings that martyrdoms of youngsters could not be glorified to build a narrative that “Shahadat must be pursued at all costs” and rather inflicting maximum losses on the enemy through a comprehensive and well-thought-out war strategy is the ultimate victory of a nation.

Lt Gen Tariq Khan while talking to The News said without proper accountability of those responsible for serious lapses in military and security establishment, the war on terror could not be fought accurately.

General Tariq said Badaber attacker crossed police and FC check posts before reaching the airbase.

“This shows that our strategy was ‘defensive’ and we were only ready to counter any attack when it is carried out. Why those terrorists were not stopped at the FC check post and what accountability has been carried out to this effect so far?” General Tariq said there was also information that some terrorists entered the airbase from some gates without any interruption.

He questioned how all this was possible and what kind of accountability was being carried out. General Tariq said a more vigilant and an offensive strategy was needed for a result-oriented war-on-terror and to counter such attacks.

Regarding the overall war-on-terror strategy, General Tariq was of view that better border management was needed.

“Whatever Afghanistan says regarding the border wall or fencing has no value. It’s our border and we should move forward to control movements from this border,” General Tariq added. He said Afghan Transit trade was not OK. “There are problems in cattle movement; there is smuggling and movement of tens of thousands of people on a daily basis on simple work permits has no justification,” General Tariq said.

“If we will allow all this to continue without proper checks and balances, many terrorists will penetrate towards our side and will play havoc,” General Tariq said adding, “If all this will continue and we will wait for terrorist attacks while sitting in our bases, this could never be termed a good war strategy.”

He said the government will have to address the issue of religious extremism on war footing through a compact and intelligent strategy.

Lt Gen Tariq Khan in his post quoted in a The News article: “I have seen the wanton destruction strewn all about us, have been witness to the flowing blood of our brave sons, have been there, done that and for too long, not to say what I must. It appears to me that we have begun to glorify Shahadat far more as a protective maneuver for the living rather than as recognition of our martyrs; and in our eagerness have now presented our young men a narrative, that. This will cause unnecessary deaths as our youngsters set out to die rather live for their beliefs.

“My salutation to the brave mothers and the strong fathers who survive the Shahadat of their sons and daughters and I am sure that this nation will not let this sacrifice go in vein, but I also condole with you for your loss; for a loss it is no matter what one may say. My greatest respect and admiration to our Shaheeds, their valour and their courage as they walked into the ‘valley of death’, but I would rather have them here by my side today where they are immensely missed, as we stumble down the path of conflict, confusion, and chaos.

But it is only fair that I say, I have also seen this sanctimonious dramatising of matters before as I am seeing them today. In order to show that things went as planned, that there was no omission and that the overall concept has proven successful, we tend to trip over one another congratulating each other and patting backs, as if we had intended for our young to die.

“This is not correct; the many who sacrificed their lives have done so for a great cause and the effect will be felt all over, but was it also because of incompetence and indifference; could we have done it in a better way, securing our objectives as well as the lives of our young? After all, in my mind, a military success is related to co-relation of losses and the damage done to the enemy, not the damage done to oneself.

“So I would like to urgently beseech everyone to get a hold of themselves, not let emotions runaway with reality, lest our courageous young men are sacrificed at the altar of those fanciful commanders whose enthusiasm exceeds their stupidity and who are willing to shed blood even to the last drop of their very own on account of their lack of capacity. They will never be open to any criticism, as if criticising them would somehow take something away from our Shaheeds. Believe me, I have seen this type and it’s the most dangerous kind of all who must be put to pasture.

“Forgive me if I have trespassed or hurt any feelings but let’s learn to call a spade a spade if we want to win this thing. But for those who are listening and can hear me, in the name of all that is honest and honourable, in our love for our Shaheeds and their glory, I beg with the utmost sincerity in my heart, please hold some investigation and establish where we went wrong or could have done better. Accountability saves lives. I myself have always said that there should be no enquiry in the field and what happens is an outcome of a judgment call but when I said that it was to protect action borne of initiative not inaction borne of indifference.”

In his article on September 22, 2015, AVM Shahzad Chaudhry highlighted some loopholes in the military strategy and pressed for better war strategy. Some important para from his article are reproduced here,

“War is not meant to be you dying for your country – it is by making the other ******** die for his”. So said George S Patton, the audacious US general who led his forces at breakneck speed and entered Germany in that final blow to the Third Reich. He was a fiery character with a language that is unrepeatable in decent company. He was never popular with his peers, nor with his officers, but his men loved him. Patton and his men gave the Allies their victory.

As Pakistan reels from another Fazlullah carnage, a host of issues open up. What did we learn from the APS attack? What did we do in the interregnum before the act was repeated to the tee at Badaber? I know what had, and has, gotten hold of the military mind but this nation of ours has only reinforced the deviance in dutiful compliance.

There aren’t any better sedatives than repeated sagas of valour, retold in popularised fables. We spent our entire first week of September lauding what was immaterial, and in the past. There was a time, when it almost became revolting to see faces being paraded from one channel to the other, singing praises of what had been. And even their only telling half-truths. Most of our stories of unparalleled courage are in ‘defence’.

In ‘offence’ we have either been stemmed, or simply blundered. We exude offence as a trait but hardly think it to its fullest as a system. So is our natural rhythm.

War, as generals ought to know, is only a measure of relative gains. Relative gains with some finesse can be converted to perceptions that become yet another trigger for another push; and in this sinusoidal convulsion, along the timeline, objectives are reached.

As soon as the tables turned for us, we flipped. Getting the first meeting going in Murree was when bugles were sounded far too early. The celebrations began; we touched our zenith and lost our focus. It took a minor spokesman at the NDS in Kabul to burst our tenuous balloon.

Lavishing praise is a tricky business. Contriving fables is even more dangerous, while pursuing legacies can instill unnecessary caution.

Plenty went wrong at Badaber. We should have the courage to admit it. Losing people is a loss; losing extraordinary people is an irrecoverable loss. We can’t cover that up with devising eulogies. Why and how did terrorists make it to the Camp’s Guard Room? I will not take issue with the defence tactics employed at Badaber since the attack was pre-informed in vivid detail, yet there is so much that needs to be internally debated on the detail of defending vulnerable points. My point of concern has always been the larger conception of it.”

[johneeG]

SSridhar saar,

1965 decided fate of the subcontinent
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Though the 1965 Indo-Pak war was only a medium-scale, limited war that lasted less than three weeks, it resulted in the Tashkent Agreement that brought about exchange of territories occupied by both sides.

It is largely seen as a stalemate in Pakistan and the rest of the world, but the 1965 war generated very significant consequences that decided the fate of the Indian subcontinent.

The Pakistani leadership carefully planned the war. It was meant to lead to a massive uprising in Kashmir engineered by sending in Pakistani infiltrators. Further, by clandestinely raising a second armoured division of relatively sophisticated Patton tanks, Pakistan aimed at a breakthrough in Punjab against the weak and obsolete Indian armour and wanted to cut off Jammu and Kashmir from India.

Field Marshal Ayub Khan also was planning to demonstrate -- in the wake of the Indian Army's debacle at Sela-Bomdila in Arunachal Pradesh in November 1962 -- that one Pakistani was equal to 10 Indians in terms of military prowess.

His conviction was that the Hindu, when struck a timely and decisive blow, would not be able to stand up. His confidant Altaf Gauhar has recorded this in Ayub Khan's biography.

Pakistan had China's support. When Islamabad appealed for support, Beijing did try to apply pressure on New Delhi by delivering a not very credible ultimatum to India.

The Americans were well informed about the possibility of Pakistani infiltration into Kashmir and the subsequent offensive months in advance, as has been recorded by the then Central Investigative Agency operative in India, Duane Claridge, in his book A Man for All Seasons.

The American military and political establishment had concluded that in case of a war, Pakistan would win.

The Pentagon and Harvard University played a war game at the Institute of Defence Analysis, Washington, DC, in March 1965. The war game and its results were available in a book, Crisis Game by Sidney Giffin, by the spring of 1965.

The total failure of the Kashmir uprising, the complete destruction of the Pakistani Patton Armoured division at Khem Karan in Punjab and the Pakistan Army running out of ammunition and being saved from total humiliation through the UN ceasefire constitute a turning point in the history of India-Pakistan relations.

Having engineered the war and seen it result in a disaster, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto turned against his benefactor Ayub Khan and blamed him for the Tashkent Agreement. His propaganda was that Ayub Khan threw away a military victory.

The Pakistani people were not informed about the failure of Operation Gibraltar, the attempted infiltration into Kashmir and thereafter of Operation Grand Slam, the attack on Jammu. The Indian counterattack in the Lahore sector was depicted as Indian aggression. The decimation of the Pakistani armoured division by a poorly armed Indian armoured brigade through superior tactics at Khem Karan was also not told to the Pakistani people.

But all these attempts at obfuscation did not deceive a leader like Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, considered the father of Bangladesh. When the question was raised about the security of what was then East Pakistan vis-à-vis India in case of another war, Bhutto, as foreign minister, implied in his answer that Pakistan depended on Beijing to ensure the security of that part of its territory.

That led Rahman to ask for greater autonomy from Islamabad and to formulate his six points which became the basis for the subsequent secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan.

The 1965 war also led to an embargo of US arms supplies to Pakistan. Islamabad's use of American arms against India was against the assurances given by President Dwight Eisenhower to Jawaharlal Nehru that in case Pakistan used US-supplied arms against India, necessary corrective action would follow.

Though the US bureaucracy and the Pentagon were prepared to look the other way if Pakistan had won the war, they found it difficult to overlook the miserable performance of Pakistani armour at Khem Karan. Pakistan therefore turned to China and France for re-equipment of its forces. After 1965, China became the foremost supplier of arms to Pakistan.

From Bhutto's death cell testimony, it also becomes clear that Pakistan initiated its discussions with China on acquiring nuclear weapon technology around 1965. Bhutto talked of completing his 11-year-long negotiations successfully in 1976. It would not be incorrect to say that the Chinese-Pakistani strategy of containing India began in the aftermath of 1965 war.

Pakistan drew correct lessons from the failure of Operation Gibraltar when the Kashmiris did not rise against India in consequence to large-scale infiltration of Pakistani commandos into the Kashmir valley. They bided their time and in the late 1980s trained disaffected Kashmiris, who crossed over into Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, in arms and infiltrated them back.

That this strategy too did not wholly succeed is a different story but it did begin the prolonged proxy war against India in Kashmir.

Pakistan also discovered it was not difficult to run rings around the conditions of American arms supplies and hide things from US inspection teams. They were able to covertly raise a second armoured division in 1965. Unfortunately for them it did not give them the victory in Punjab they expected. The second armoured division met its defeat at Khem Karan.

Pakistan used this experience of getting around US procedures in the 1980s to divert American arms -- meant for Afghans fighting Soviet forces -- to arm the various jihadi militias and to install the Taliban regime in Kabul.

On the Indian side too, the 1965 war led to significant results. The Indian Army failed to assess intelligence effectively in respect of construction of aqueducts under the Ichogil canal (that runs from India to Lahore) and on Pakistan covertly raising a second armoured division. Thus, the external and internal intelligence collection and reporting were bifurcated. A dedicated external intelligence agency – the Research and Analysis Wing -- was created.

An ill-advised reorganisation proposal in respect of Indian armour – increasing light armour and reducing medium armour –- strongly espoused by General Joyanto Nath Chaudhuri before the war, was given up. The Indo-Soviet arms supply relationship got reinforced and the Soviet Union became the sole supplier of arms for India.

Though it is not much written about, India intensified its support to Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and his Awami League in their demands for greater economy from Islamabad.

The 1965 war demonstrated that the 1962 debacle was not a reflection on the Indian Army but was the result of inadequacies in a few top inexperienced generals. It also proved that Indian unity was solid while Pakistan was vulnerable to divisive forces. It brought out that American short-term Cold War calculations overrode Washington's commitment to democracy.

It also highlighted that the US establishment had very wrong assessments about the Indian leadership, the Indian Army and India's ability to survive as a Union and grow into a major power.

The legendary K Subrahmanyam is the doyen of India's strategic thinkers.
K Subrahmanyam

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The author of this article is K Subrahmanyam who is highly respected and is the father of the present Foreign Secretary of India.

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I don't see any ups and downs in Amirkhan-Pakistan relationship. Pakistan depends on Amirkhan and therefore has to toe its line. Pakistan doesn't have the luxury to defy Amrikhan on any issue. It suits Amirkhan to project the image of a rogue Pakistan just as it suits Pakistan to project the image of a rogue ISI just as it suits ISI to project the image of a rogue Taliban.

b) I think chacha's anti-americanism was a hog-wash and should not be taken too seriously. Chacha was an anglophile. Even if we take his anti-americanism seriously, that stance was totally changed after 1962.

[Peregrine]

Pakistan to Import 50,000 Tonnes of Pindi Gas Grenades

Cheers

[Prem]

Pagal Ahmadi Psycho Patient/Maareez

[Agnimitra]

News360: Visuals expose PoK horror


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJykCvgtFho

Not sure why IBN has not made this YouTube available in the US. I'm not able to watch it.
I found this clip put up by someone else:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aksVUQqUgY

[salaam]

Pagal Ahmadi Psycho Patient/Maareez

I have stopped reporting on this guy. The more i follow him, more he come out even worse then a yellow journalist. He is literally a joke, and if he has a following, it means Pakistan is a cesspool of mentally bankrupt awaam.

Meanwhile Sethi saheb is putting high hopes on Pakistan Super League. Hope Indian Board silently disqualifies (from ICL) any player/official who participates in PSL for that calendar year. That will nip this in bud.

[Vipul]

IPL just has to plan its twice a year tourney in the time space that Pakistan wants to hold their games and then see the fun.

[A_Gupta]

^^^ IMO, the Lareeb Khan case from Germany - the victim was 19; people above 18 are considered adults in Germany. Therefore, I think the parents are lying when they claim that the police notified the parents that the girl had been caught shoplifting.