The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Oct 2015 14:26

ISIS STANDING IN LINE AT THE TURKISH AIRPORT TO GO HOME:

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Oct 2015 15:00

This is the moment of truth.If the Syrian Army can rout ISIS from some of its strongholds and hold the territory,then the Russian gambit would've proven its point.Syria and its "associates" like the Hiz and co.,have to take ISIS by the scruff of its neck and the seat of its pants and send them to kingdom come in as large a number as possible.Ultimately,it is holding the ground that matters as we've seen in all the recent conflicts.The diff this time in Syria,is that the air strikes mean something,not strikes meant to deceive the world that the war against Islamic jihadism is being prosecuted as it should be.Russia must follow up "mopping up ops" with saturated bombing of ISIS strongholds by strat bombers as the US did not send in its B-52s.

https://www.rt.com/news/317974-syrian-a ... sive-isis/

Syrian armed forces launch large-scale offensive against ISIS - Syrian General Staff
Published time: 8 Oct, 2015 07:13

Multiple rocket launchers Grad fire at positions of ISIS militants near the border between Homs and Hama Governorates, Syria. © Michael Alaeddin / RIA Novosti

The Syrian Army announced a large-scale offensive aimed at retaking several key cities and regions from terrorist forces after a week-long bombing campaign by Russia targeting the jihadists.

Russian anti-terror op in Syria
The government forces “have been keeping the initiative for several years,” said General Ali Abdullah Ayyoub, the head of the Syrian General Staff, announcing the offensive. The offensive was made possible by the effort made by Russia in supporting the Syrian government militarily, Ayyoub said.

“The airstrikes of the Russian Air Force have damaged the capabilities of the international terrorist organization Islamic State and other groups,” the general said.

READ MORE: Less talk, more action: Russian jets destroy ISIS HQs, tanks, munition depots – all in just 1 week

Russian warplanes began attacking terrorist targets in Syria last week, hitting over 100 targets throughout the country. According to Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad, Russia “has produced significant results in several days that greatly surpass those achieved by the [US-led anti-ISIS] coalition in over a year.”

Earlier, local media reported that government forces were deployed in several Syrian provinces with the biggest operation taking place in Hama, 200 kilometers north of the capital, Damascus. Lebanese TV channel Al-Manar said the Syrian army group in Hama advanced some 50 kilometers on Wednesday, taking several towns and strategically important mountain strongholds from militants of the Al-Nusra Front, Al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, and other terrorist groups operating in the area.

Syrian government forces also went on the offensive in the Idlib province.

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Oct 2015 15:04

QUESTION: Why would Russia use expensive cruise missiles when there is no way any legitimate ISIS could take preventive action against much cheaper airstrikes?

ANSWER: Because Uncle Shmuel can warn CIA assets of approaching aircraft and tell them to take cover or leave the area. The U.S. still most likely cannot track a cruise missile, which will take care of the CIA just fine, at additional cost.

Next time they should put a nuke on them, why waste such an expensive missile. And what is there in Raqqa anyways that needs to be saved.

BM-27 "Uragan" in Syria:

It has fire range about 40 or 60km. Not sure but it is pretty effective.

Footnote: Russia Develops Portable Aerosol Cloud Generator to Conceal Missiles

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151006/ ... z3nvOqxb5O

https://www.rt.com/news/272341-s350-vityaz-air-defense/

Compact version of S-300 jointly developed and manufactured in South Korea.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2015 16:33

where would "home" be for the departing ISIS fighters?

perhaps Saudia, Iraq(dont need a flight for that), france, uk ... these guys are going to spread mayhem wherever they go like a germ.

the mota with the bigger beard looks quite constipated...like he had not got a chance to take a crap peacefully for 3 back to back days.

they cannot easily crawl back into chechnya or dagestan as the ruthless kadyrov militias must be keeping close tabs on who was missing and who suddenly reappears after "visiting an aunt in turkey"

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2015 16:50

UK may not be contributing anything in the fight with ISIS as yet (despite the tunisia beach massacre) but one of their royal united services instt experts claims the ISIS has lost half its fighters, slashed its pay, low on morale and would fall within hours of a combined armed conventional offensive on its lairs
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609 ... ate-defeat

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Oct 2015 16:56

those buffalos look pakistani to me. But may be via ~~Lahore~~ London. Arabs from GCC bulk up differently, they are either weird or semitic triangular.

btw the turks have some chootzpah, ? what happens if Russia tomorrow recognises PKK and Kurdish State in Syria. All their gas will release at one go.

& here comes the cavalry ..

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610 ... ainst-ISIS

Uncle Shmuel .. Uncle Shmuel .. what you gonna do .. what you gonna do when they come for you ..

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Oct 2015 17:03

Habal,you took the words out of my mouth. With the CIA bum-chums getting advance warnings of imminent air attacks from their handlers,the missile strikes are perfect weapons of surprise.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 08 Oct 2015 17:10

Cruise missiles are probably weapons testing. For long russia has not showed off its weapons while US has been bombing goats and camels since long. The missiles reaffirm worlds faith in Russian technology and that Russia can do everything that Amreeka can.
Also sends a message to EoroPeons.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 08 Oct 2015 17:49

Also missiles have a limited shelf life. A country with a large military like Russia which has not seen too much conventional conflict in the recent past would have huge numbers of missiles reaching EoL each year. Better to use them up on real targets than go to waste.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2015 17:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x21fA3U8uWI

Frogfoots pounding targets in Hama province ahead of the syrian army advance

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2015 17:57

this is syria govt video going by the flag. its some kinda bunker with huge nos of konkur, kornet and milan piled up.
maybe its their own stock or captured booty from the rebels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1cEHBvRIY

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Oct 2015 18:14

Kati wrote:Any reason why these cruise missiles launched from Caspian, rather than Mediterranean sea?
Is this to warn GCC that they can be fried from Caspian too?
Is this to hide the cruise signature from NAT/Isreali eyes in Mediterranean sea?

Just to confuse haramis.........attack kahi se bhi ho sakta hei.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 08 Oct 2015 18:51

Not sure if this video is posted here yet

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 08 Oct 2015 19:17

habal wrote:ISIS STANDING IN LINE AT THE TURKISH AIRPORT TO GO HOME:

ISIS defectors? Really? What's the source, habal ji?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Oct 2015 19:24

deejay wrote:^^^ Yes, the ammo is air burst being fired from AA guns and the title of the video suggests they shooting up RBK -500 SPBE-D in air. However, the bombs themselves are not visible but at least one round has found the target.

that smoke is the EFP charge not the ack ack IMO

US equivalent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HkauuIyDsM

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Oct 2015 19:32

Karan M wrote:
deejay wrote:^^^ Yes, the ammo is air burst being fired from AA guns and the title of the video suggests they shooting up RBK -500 SPBE-D in air. However, the bombs themselves are not visible but at least one round has found the target.
that smoke is the EFP charge not the ack ack IMO

US equivalent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HkauuIyDsM

Correct. Those are the explosions creating the shaped charges.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2015 19:36

Singha wrote:this is syria govt video going by the flag. its some kinda bunker with huge nos of konkur, kornet and milan piled up.
maybe its their own stock or captured booty from the rebels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1cEHBvRIY

Yes , looks so

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Oct 2015 20:30

^^^
It says these are captured weapons. But this is an old video 2013;

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2015 21:37

rsingh wrote:^^^
It says these are captured weapons. But this is an old video 2013;

Ok , Thanks

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Oct 2015 23:45

Ok, here we go. History repeating itself.

Syria crisis: Russian missiles 'fell on Iran'

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Oct 2015 23:57

habal wrote:ISIS STANDING IN LINE AT THE TURKISH AIRPORT TO GO HOME:

[img>>]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQqFZMZWgAAKOgK.jpg:large[/<<img]

Is it too difficult for NATO/Turk surveillance to take out the barbarians as fair targets anywhere they are? So its not genocides or slavery or even piously praying 5 times a day that is saving the ISIL from Syria/Russia/Iran forces but those who indirectly help out whenever they are attacked. A little like Kunduz airlift of evil.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 09 Oct 2015 00:12

NRao wrote:Ok, here we go. History repeating itself.

Syria crisis: Russian missiles 'fell on Iran'

huh.. Amreeki Tomahawks also suffered dropouts during their deployments.

Its their campaign after a very long time.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Oct 2015 00:19

I can't help but notice that many of the Russian strikes appear to be highly inaccurate. I was looking at all the various bomb footage and in many of the clips you can clearly see bombs missing their targets by up 100m or more. For example, at the 7 second mark in this vid you can clearly see one bomb striking the empty field about 80-100m away from the buildings. Let's assume the drone crosshair isn't actually hovering on the point of impact. Let's be generous and assume the intended target was one of the other buildings. Even if that were true, it's clear at least one bomb landed about 100m away in an open field, which could not possibly have been deliberate.

https://youtu.be/K_PzdUSXkdg?list=PLPsz ... IPGzJ3SkpJ

Now look at the 8 second mark in this video. The target has been hit and is burning, but you can clearly see at least 7 impact craters from other bombs that missed, some of them by at least 200m. It's clear the Russians expended at least 8 bombs to hit one building. Hardly efficient, and puts their pilots at unnecessary risk.

https://youtu.be/eHmZVqX6W44?list=PLPsz ... wMhKhG5NlS

Some of the Russian vids show more precise strikes taking place, which I can only assume are the ones using glonass or laser-guided bombs. But it seems their dumb bomb delivery leaves much to be desired. I thought the SU-24's and SU-34's were capable of precision bombing with dumb bombs by using glonass. Basically the pilot is able to precisely guide the aircraft to the exact bomb release point by virtue of the targeting computer being tied into the glonass navigation system. I thought they had that capability, but based on this footage it appears they're bombing the old-fashioned way (basically just eyeballing it).

Our Mirage-2000 strikes at Kargil were far more precise than this. Do we need to send our Mirages over there and show the Russians how it's done?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Oct 2015 00:22

Sid wrote:
NRao wrote:Ok, here we go. History repeating itself.

Syria crisis: Russian missiles 'fell on Iran'
huh.. Amreeki Tomahawks also suffered dropouts during their deployments.

Its their campaign after a very long time.

Hmmmmm. That is what I meant by history. Not aware of Russian missiles failing in combat.

Missiles seem to have a decent failure rate.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Oct 2015 01:31

Let's assume the drone crosshair isn't actually hovering on the point of impact.

They said clearly that the cross-hair is simply the center of a camera lens, not the targeting whatever.

8 bums to make sure of 1 important building is not unreasonable, there are things like winds to take into account, so that if I were doing the mission I would use a spread of bombs to make sure. 100m error is not that great. Also probably took out the turds who had run away from the bldg.

Sorry,

u need better reasons to drag India into it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Oct 2015 02:02

Singha, If the corvettes had a load-out of 4 missiles and reports say 26 missiles were fired from four ships some thing is not right.
Maybe one of the ships had larger inventory.
Philip the missile firing corvettes were ~950 tons. The 500 t class are plain vanilla ones.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 09 Oct 2015 02:29

Putin the Shiaite....

http://news.yahoo.com/popularity-putin- ... 42221.html

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 09 Oct 2015 05:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAYst1L9-k4

Here is an interesting discussion about Russ in Syria @ the Hudson inst. In short it says US, Russian and Iran interests are aligned. and having Russ in Syria gives POTUS leverage over Israel/Bibi who were running riot in syiria.

it is one week old and a lot has changed.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 09 Oct 2015 06:21

Uploaded Oct08,2015

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Oct 2015 06:46

ramana wrote:Singha, If the corvettes had a load-out of 4 missiles and reports say 26 missiles were fired from four ships some thing is not right.
Maybe one of the ships had larger inventory.
Philip the missile firing corvettes were ~950 tons. The 500 t class are plain vanilla ones.

ramana , corvettes have 8 Missile each , in 2x4 VLS Tube

The 3 Buyan-M class ships ( 950 T ) and 1 Gepard class corvette both with 8 Club missile each took part in this operation , Among the 4 ships they had a combined payload of 32 Kalbir Missile and 26 were fired.

The Kalbir LACM has a range of 2600 km and they flew 1500 km to target , But looking at the trajectory they took , lots of tuns and V shaped trajectory they certain seem to flew longer than 1500 km.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Oct 2015 07:36

More detials on Buyan-M class ( on top right corner use Translate English link )

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-395.html

Loading of Kalbir in VLS

http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/395/UIzzV.jpg

The 8 VLS for Kalbir on buyan-M

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Oct 2015 07:39

Saudi Mullahs declare Jihad on Russia, Syria, Iran, via
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... syria.html

Also, quote, lifted from the comments:
The original Putin quote is more precise:
«Вы хоть понимаете теперь, чего вы натворили?» can be more accurately translated as “How can you even now fail to understand what a mess you have made?”

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 07:49

holy camels, so this 1000t corvette has as many deep strike silos as our 7500t P15A. talk about ==

>> Let's assume the drone crosshair isn't actually hovering on the point of impact.

this has already been confirmed in a press conf..the drone's cross hair is not the aim point of the launching aircrafts. the misses are fairly typical for CCIP bombing I think...not all bombs also might behave the same way after launch due to defects.

>> missiles falling in iran

thawks fell on TSP also and were promptly sold to china. being iran, the russians can ask for the wrecks be returned. the iranians might take a look for their own uses before returning.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 07:55

the hinds are using their swarm tactic....atleast 2 helicopters attack and one is always in firing position as the other turns and recovers.

that being said, they are well within the MANPAD and even RPG spray and pray envelope here....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 08:01

RT is launching its own glonass guided salvos against western sock puppets. this time its BellingCat, a british site that claims to analyze footage of russian strikes

https://www.rt.com/news/318067-bellingc ... evades-rt/

this after they had done a chaddi nanga on SOHR the syrian observatory of human rights - another london (you guessed it!) outfit
https://www.rt.com/news/317813-sohr-visit-syria-long/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIZNscLHnc

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 09 Oct 2015 08:55

The heavy loadout corvettes seem the equivalent of "a floating coastal defense battery" and cannot be out at sea for long. Their missiles are also of the "aim-fire-forget types" Once India used to have great use for them as picket ships, particularly against pakis and their less capable navy. But now, with better coastal sensor networking, IAF coverage and a pressing need is to show flag during 99% of our peace time, we will probably go easier on these dense packed boast. We are going to see largish lightly armed ships, that can stay out at sea for long, with load outs of more refined (costly) longer range missiles.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Oct 2015 09:21

Ruthless killers on the hunt? What terms they use http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610 ... airstrikes

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Oct 2015 09:46

Syrian govt offensive suffering heavy casualties vs US-backed militants with TOW missiles. Numerous videos uploaded today and yesterday, showing SAA tanks getting hit with TOW missiles:

https://youtu.be/mGY9UzCSpWs
https://youtu.be/CD_VIYWGDsg
https://youtu.be/7Jn1vN5Bz0E

In that last vid, the TOW missile detonates prematurely upon hitting what appears to be tree or fence post. The (very lucky) tank crew shoots back instantly, which is the proper drill when under fire by anti-tank missiles. But the question I have to ask is where's the infantry support? SAA appears to be rolling around in tanks and BMP's completely exposed to enemy missiles. That tactic isn't working for the Saudis in Yemen and it sure as hell won't work in Syria.

If this is how SAA plans to take back lost territory, I'm afraid all the Russian air support in the world won't help them. They better get their act together.

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Oct 2015 09:56

those cruise missiles should not be wasted with conventional warheads, they should be armed on the sly with tactical nukes and flung towards Raqqa. What is there in Raqqa worth preserving ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Oct 2015 10:01

Y. Kanan wrote:Syrian govt offensive suffering heavy casualties vs US-backed militants with TOW missiles. Numerous videos uploaded today and yesterday, showing SAA tanks getting hit with TOW missiles:

https://youtu.be/mGY9UzCSpWs
https://youtu.be/CD_VIYWGDsg
https://youtu.be/7Jn1vN5Bz0E

In that last vid, the TOW missile detonates prematurely upon hitting what appears to be tree or fence post. The (very lucky) tank crew shoots back instantly, which is the proper drill when under fire by anti-tank missiles. But the question I have to ask is where's the infantry support? SAA appears to be rolling around in tanks and BMP's completely exposed to enemy missiles. That tactic isn't working for the Saudis in Yemen and it sure as hell won't work in Syria.

If this is how SAA plans to take back lost territory, I'm afraid all the Russian air support in the world won't help them. They better get their act together.

they are all old videos or 2013 vintage.

but still 5 or so SAA tanks were destroyed in last 2 days, but that is because they were probing runs deep into rebel territory. Basically to check out where the rebels were hiding and their pockets of resistance. This is in those places where rebels are hidden in between civvies. But next time the Syrian army comes in, these pockets will be cleared of rebels and accompanied by infantry the probes will be further deep inside rebel strongholds.