INS Vikrant: News and Discussion

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2015 15:32

all one needs is a car and some time....these are not expensive places to visit.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Aug 2015 16:31

The train line is a good way to start.

But, the railways, while building the line, also destroyed some of the local history. Swiped artifacts, etc.

BTW, Mangalore does have a few multi- nationals, if I am not mistaken (been a long time since I visited).

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Oct 2015 04:23

Aircraft carrier INS Vikrant will be delivered to Navy on time: Cochin Shipyard chief

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 392647.cms

"It was a proud moment when the INS Vikrant was undocked. Shipbuilding is basically teamwork. We succeed in delivering ships on time due to support from all our associates. Nearly 98 per cent of the work on the hull of INS Vikrant has been completed. Work is now underway on the flight deck. Things are on schedule and we hope to deliver the ship to the Navy on time,"

Basically, three kinds of steel are being used to build the aircraft carrier. One is the DMR 249 Grade A that went towards making the hull and other parts of the infrastructure. DMR 249 Grade B, developed by ASP, is being used for the flight deck. This steel has spring back qualities. Another variety of steel that is being used for the machine room is DMR 249 Grade AZ25. This steel has compressibility of well beyond 25 per cent that is required to handle the heavy load that the machine room will undergo.

The flight deck of INS Vikrant can carry 19 aircraft while the hangers inside will have the capacity for 17 more fighters. The aircraft carrier will have two take-off runways and a landing strip with three arrester wires, capable of operating STOBAR aircraft including the Mig-29K and indigenous LCA, as well as a range of helicopters.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Dec 2015 07:49

Isn't that Vikrant behind ALH?

http://www.oneindia.com/feature/navy-da ... 44952.html
Navy Day Special: Guardians set for challenging missions

An ALH of Guardians flying just 10-feet above water at INS Venduruthy.

adityadange · Post by **adityadange** » 04 Dec 2015 10:11

indeed. note the distinct superstructure under construction.

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 04 Dec 2015 11:04

That pic is of Vikrant SaiK.

https://youtu.be/OjHUzLN9zsQ?t=3m6s

srai · Post by **srai** » 05 Dec 2015 11:01

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 7m7 minutes ago
India's expansion of its primary area of interests as stated in its revised maritime posture will be backed by an expansion in fleet sizes

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 7m7 minutes ago
Project 15B destroyer numbers may be increased. A new cruiser design may be on the anvil. P-`17A numbers may grow as well.

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 7m7 minutes ago
At least 12 nuclear submarines are projected. Numbers likely to grow. Many more fleet support ships on the anvil as well.

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 6m6 minutes ago
Aircraft Carrier numbers will rise to 5-6 by the early 2030s.

If 5-6 carriers are being planned for, it makes sense to order second of the Vikrant class while design for bigger EMLS ship continues.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Dec 2015 12:24

If SJ's tidbits are accurate excellent new!
What would be fun is the fitting of B-8 onto the Vikrant right now,before she is commissioned,instead of later on which is what is to happen on the Vik-A. Any alterations,etc. that may be required could best be done right now instead of a few years later on. At least one more Vikrant class CV should be ordered ,with the next 2+ of larger size after exotic tech like EMals can be evaluated after entering service with the USN.These larger CVs will also have to be N-powered,which will require new N-reactor design.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 05 Dec 2015 12:27

Seriously before carriers get ATAS on every ship, build up ASuW capability by ordering more helis, get better fighters or the MiG-29s serviceable asap, get more submarines.. the list is huge before the need for additional carriers..

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Dec 2015 12:56

True,sub fleet top priority.but another Vikrant class could be leveraged with the need for 3-4 amphibs.It would be very affordable and keep CSL busy,with a shorter delivery time too.

member_29004 · Post by **member_29004** » 05 Dec 2015 14:22

Karan M wrote:Seriously before carriers get ATAS on every ship, build up ASuW capability by ordering more helis, get better fighters or the MiG-29s serviceable asap, get more submarines.. the list is huge before the need for additional carriers..

Not even ONE Mig 29K has been added in the last 3 years. We are still stuck at 16. One can thank our 'friends' Russia

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 05 Dec 2015 16:02

josh, that is surprising.

]As for deliveries of MiG-29K carrier-based fighters to Indian navy, the corporation is going to deliver six jets of the type this year and six more – in 2016. “These deliveries will have the contract fulfilled,” Korotkov explained.

which means they have delivered 16 (of the first contract) + 17 (of the 2nd). 12 of the 2nd to be delivered as above.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/8/10/3398/

Karan,

....or the MiG-29s serviceable asap

from the same link above,

According to him, the program for establishing an MRO center for MiG-29K/KUB fighters in India is on schedule. “The building has been constructed by the Indian party, we are delivering equipment, specified in an offset agreement signed at MAKS-2013 airshow. Indian specialists are being trained and soon the center will start repairing accessories and units,” he said.

hopefully that should take care.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 05 Dec 2015 16:59

Aditya, that's a MRO center. But there are issues with structures, engines and avionics. The MiG-29K, sad to say, has not been a great purchase.

Those are developmental teething issues which require the Russians to redesign, redevelop some aggregates, above and beyond a spares warehouse and local MRO.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 17:38

Please please deploy a Pinaka / Smerch like system on Kukhri class type boat for amphib support and coastal sanitization please

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 05 Dec 2015 21:01

Gagan wrote:Please please deploy a Pinaka / Smerch like system on Kukhri class type boat for amphib support and coastal sanitization please

We inducted l&t wm-18 rocket system aboard the LSTs for that purpose.

Only a handful of these systems were bought in total. Perhaps it unguided rockets don't make sense over long ranges as the unstable platform will induce inaccuracies

member_29004 · Post by **member_29004** » 06 Dec 2015 16:38

pragnya wrote:josh, that is surprising.

]As for deliveries of MiG-29K carrier-based fighters to Indian navy, the corporation is going to deliver six jets of the type this year and six more – in 2016. “These deliveries will have the contract fulfilled,” Korotkov explained.
which means they have delivered 16 (of the first contract) + 17 (of the 2nd). 12 of the 2nd to be delivered as above.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/8/10/3398/

Karan,

....or the MiG-29s serviceable asap
from the same link above,

According to him, the program for establishing an MRO center for MiG-29K/KUB fighters in India is on schedule. “The building has been constructed by the Indian party, we are delivering equipment, specified in an offset agreement signed at MAKS-2013 airshow. Indian specialists are being trained and soon the center will start repairing accessories and units,” he said.
hopefully that should take care.

operative word is 'going to', they havent, as far as I am aware from the open source and otherwise

John · Post by **John** » 06 Dec 2015 19:12

Karan M wrote:Aditya, that's a MRO center. But there are issues with structures, engines and avionics. The MiG-29K, sad to say, has not been a great purchase.

Those are developmental teething issues which require the Russians to redesign, redevelop some aggregates, above and beyond a spares warehouse and local MRO.

Overall the Navy is more happy with 29k than it was with SHar in 2 decades they were in service and there is reason they are ordering more. The main concern is not yet cleared for single engine landing which should happen soon.

Aditya G wrote:We inducted l&t wm-18 rocket system aboard the LSTs for that purpose.

Smerch/Pinaka are to heavy to mount in stabilized platform on most surface combatant and rather the focus improving range on naval artillery to provide 50-60 km range shore bombardment. That said even rbu 6000 can be used to hit land based targets.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 06 Dec 2015 22:27

John wrote:Overall the Navy is more happy with 29k than it was with SHar in 2 decades they were in service and there is reason they are ordering more. The main concern is not yet cleared for single engine landing which should happen soon.

That's to be expected. The Sea Harrier is a third generation design, offering very modest performance and is a dangerous aircraft to fly at the best of times (even the Harrier II is considerably better). Comparing it to the MiG-29K is setting a rather low bar for the latter, the closest peer to which would probably be an upgraded Hornet, with the SH & Rafale being the next grade. Of course none of the three was an viable alternative for India at the time, but that's a different issue.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Dec 2015 03:37

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-go ... nd-2152516

Government targets to deliver India's first indigenous aircraft carrier by 2018 end

India's first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant is on its way to be delivered to the Navy in December, 2018, government said on Friday.

Undocked in June this year at Cochin Shipyard Limited, the construction of the first of the two planned Vikrant-class future aircraft carrier began in 2008 .

Replying to a question in Lok Sabha, Minister of State for defence Rao Inderjit Singh said that there has been a delay in the work of constructing the carrier mainly due to non-availability of warship grade steel, delayed ordering of Propulsion System Integration and delay in Russian approvals for design and equipment supply. "The targeted date of delivery to Indian Navy is December, 2018," he said.

The indigenous aircraft carrier has been undocked post completion of underwater structural work and the government has approved revision of cost of project to Rs.19,341 Crores, the minister added.

Once completed, the 40,000 tonne aircraft, which has been designed by Indian Navy's Directorate of Naval Design, will make India join the coveted club of the USA, UK, France and Russia – the only countries that design and make these ships on their own.

India currently operates two aircraft carriers, INS Viraat and INS Vikramaditya.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Dec 2015 13:15

Trying to make Navy Day 2018 a deadline! Effectively,it will now be 2019.So for another 4 years we will have to do with the Vik-A alone after the Viraat is retd. after the naval Review at Vizag next year. A pity as it could be nursed along for a little while longer and extra helos embarked if SH numbers are insufficient. The next few years are going to be the most critical for the country,as there will be approx. a 3 yr. window of opportunity for the Sino-Pak JV to take a pot-shot against India before our upgrades,modernisation and force augmentation takes place.

John · Post by **John** » 07 Dec 2015 17:26

Viv S wrote:
John wrote:Overall the Navy is more happy with 29k than it was with SHar in 2 decades they were in service and there is reason they are ordering more. The main concern is not yet cleared for single engine landing which should happen soon.
That's to be expected. The Sea Harrier is a third generation design, offering very modest performance and is a dangerous aircraft to fly at the best of times (even the Harrier II is considerably better). Comparing it to the MiG-29K is setting a rather low bar for the latter, the closest peer to which would probably be an upgraded Hornet, with the SH & Rafale being the next grade. Of course none of the three was an viable alternative for India at the time, but that's a different issue.

Sea harrier are still considered to be one of most succesful naval fighter aircraft ever deployed. They have their drawbacks like high turnover ratio. But naval spentl good amount of $$ upgrading and the platform proved itself in air to air combat in Falklands though proving wrong many who questioned its dog fighting capabilities.

As for 29k we had other alt super hornet, rafale and flanker. But imo super hornet was the only true option since boeing was willing to guarantee its capabilities operating from a ski jump. And the overall acquisition costs were reasonable.

In other hand Dassault was never willing to do any if that and would likely have demand additional $$ to certify the AC for ski jump after we signed the dotted line. With IAF having second thoughts on rafale acquisition, navy would have never been able to afford to operate the platform on its own.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 07 Dec 2015 18:02

Going through the mission sets a carrier based air-wing is likely to execute in the 2010+ time frame, the sea-harrier falls short by a significant amount. Falklands happened nearly 35 years ago. For a carrier air wing that is likely to remain in service for 2-3 decades if not more the sea-harrier as a benchmark is hardly a worthy baseline to measure capability against. The Rhino may have been on offer but integrating it with a Russian ski jump carrier would not have been easy or cheap. Add on top of that the geopolitical realities and the two Russian aircraft were pretty much the only realistic options at the time. In the future however the options are likely to be plenty including the indigenous N-LCA and further out the NAMCA

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 08 Dec 2015 04:10

regarding the Falklands Harrier vs Mirage

consider the following things.
The Brits had calculated every possible way a Mirage could stretch its available fuel , carry extra fuel etc etc and parked their aircraft carrier well outside this bubble. Only very occasionally did they break this magical line and venture their carriers across in the early days.

The Mirages that overlapped their combat circles with the Harriers were on vapours only and with little reserves to do any ACMs with the harriers.
They were hoping to let loose their Exocets or creating a hole for their follow ups to launch their exocets.
Now last not least... they were completely blind in terms of Ground Radar Coverage which the harriers had from the carriers and other ships in the flotilla.
Last not least, they were possibly outmatched in terms of professional training and capability of the man behind the stick as well.

srai · Post by **srai** » 08 Dec 2015 06:48

^^^

Mirage-III design was optimized for higher altitudes while the Sea Harriers for lower altitudes. The RN Sea Harriers refused to go above certain ceilings in dog fights, and besides the main attacking aircraft were A-4 and Super Etendard which flew low to reach their targets. So there was no choice for escorting Mirage-III but to descend and dog fight in the altitudes that favored the Harriers.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 13 Dec 2015 06:42

US to help India develop engine for Gen-5 fighter, AMCA likely to be powered by GE's Enhanced F-414 engine

Business Standard understands the navy is opting for indigenous nuclear reactors to power the second carrier. However, the admirals are keen to incorporate an American-designed catapult launch system

Then make it a 100,000 tons even.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 13 Dec 2015 07:41

100,000 tons?

Some important questions around those IMO:

How much energy would you need to move that at 30-33 knots?
How many 83MW thermal (or whatever the reactor produces) reactors will you need to produce that energy?
Would it be possible to do a hybrid model? LM2500 + nuke reactors?
Could LM2500 work as a peaker plant? Use only when excess energy more than what a few reactors produce is required?
Will there be enough space to put few reactors + steam turbines + LM2500 + fuel space for the LM2500 + fuel for the aircraft?

Might make sense to keep it around 70/72k tons and call it a day and perhaps use LM2500 for all the generation instead of going nuclear. Save that money and make extra supply ships! You will need those for sustained air ops anyways.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 13 Dec 2015 08:20

A lot will depend on Ratehalli's output perhaps on the choice of the energy source and the number of nuclear powered subs planned. Is it still 3 or twice that or even more.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 13 Dec 2015 08:29

Bade, true, great point. Depends if we have reactors to spare or pull away from nuclear subs. It makes more sense to have more nuclear sub boats than to have a nuclear AC. You could make a conventional carrier and pay only a little penalty by having a few extra supply ship, but then you would save from all the simplicity of a non nuclear AC.

You could install a catapult on a non nuclear AC. Steam could be from a special diesel/NG steam generator for the catapults or just use the steam produced by CCGTs. Closed cycle GT's tend to capture heat and create steam anyways so perhaps that would suffice.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 21 Jan 2016 15:00

Livefist tweerts: Review of the Vikrant project by CNS Dhowan.

You can see the progress on the main island:

6 months old photo of Vikrant:

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Jan 2016 17:54

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/d ... 131547.ece

Given that this the first time a ship of such size will be built in India which involves development of several new technologies, design consultancy will be sought from foreign companies with expertise in carrier design and construction.

Five countries have been identified for the purpose — the U.S., Russia, France, the U.K. and Italy — all of which currently operate carriers, the official added.

Officials said Vikrant was in advanced stage of construction and was on course to be delivered by December 2018.

weighing 25 tonnes more...

According to Navy sources, the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-II) would be of 65,000 tonnes, and will be capable of carrying over 50 aircraft. In comparison, displacement of INS Viraat is only 28,500 tonnes and INS Vikramaditya is 45,400 tonnes, both of which are of foreign origin and currently in service with the Indian Navy. The first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant weighing 40,000 tonnes is currently under construction at Kochi.

doesn't 45k tonnes experience big enough for 65k tonne?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Jan 2016 18:19

out of the n-boats claimed 3 will be arihant class, 6 dedicated SSN class and 3 bigger boats proper SSBN size with 12-16 silos.

by 2020, all 3 arihant boats will be in service and construction should be well underway on the 1st 'proper' SSN and SSBN lead boats of each lineage. will probably take the 2020s decade to induct all 9 such boats even we fund the program very heavily.

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 27 Jan 2016 17:48

Look what I stumbled across

http://www.bajajauto.com/V/index.htm

I certainly look forward to seeing this "V". Was a sad day when we decided to scrap this ship

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 06 Feb 2016 20:37

BK echoes an opinion similar to BRF, viz amphib capability of Vikrant class. I however do not see this as a flaw in INS Vikrant, but an opportunity to provide the capability in a second ship of the same class, say the new INS Viraat. This second Vikrant CV could also bridge the gap till INS Vishal comes along in 2035-2040.

http://bharatkarnad.com/2016/01/30/navy ... -air-wing/

...

knowledgeable source notes that the Vikrant-class carriers, starting with IAC-1, being built at the Hindustan Shipyard in Kochi, have a grievous design flaw that need immediate rectification, failing which they will be disabled from participating effectively in amphibious actions. Specifically, the carrier lacks the ability to support such operations. In contrast the INS Viraat (ex-HMS Hermes) has multiple davits (crane-like machines) that help host four LCVPs (landing vessels) and carry a complement of 750 Special Forces troops with equipment. The new Vikrant-class has no such capability. Other than as escort to provide air cover in expeditionary, or from-the-sea, kind of operations, they lack the multi-role capacity for different kind of seaborne missions. At a time when specialized, single mission, platforms are cost-prohibitive, there’s no option — even at this late date — than to suitably modify at least the follow-up carrier of the same class.

...

sankum · Post by **sankum** » 06 Feb 2016 23:16

INS Vikrant latest google earth image

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Mar 2016 20:32

Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report
https://www.rt.com/news/334142-india-ai ... er-tender/
India will reportedly shortly announce a tendering procedure for building its fourth aircraft carrier. A new Russian project called “Storm”, which was made public last year, is said to be among the frontrunners.

India’s plans to have a new aircraft carrier have been floating around for some time. French defense newsletter TTU reported that a French delegation visited India in late January to propose the naval version of the Dassault Rafale jet to complement its future bid. The US is also eyeing the lucrative contract.

However, according to the Izvestia newspaper, the Russian project is the favorite in the upcoming tender. Russia's Krylovsky State Research Center (KRSC) will be offering its new multipurpose heavy aircraft carrier design called Project 23000E Shtorm (Storm). The project was first revealed to the public in June at the Army-2015 show near Moscow, where a scale model of the ship was exhibited.

The design has a displacement of up to 100,000 tons, is 330 meters long, 40 meters wide, and has a draft of 11 meters. It has a nuclear power plant, although initial plans state a conventional one may also be used. The ship is designed to sail at up to 30 knots (around 55 km/h) and withstand sea state 6-7 (characterized by waves up to 9 meters high).

Tugboats guide the indigenously-built aircraft carrier INS Vikrant as it leaves the dock of the Cochin Shipyard after the launch ceremony in Kochi on August 12, 2013 (AFP Photo / Manjunath Kiran)India launches first home-built aircraft carrier

The carrier can remain 120 days at sea before needing a port. It will have a crew of 4,000 to 5,000 and deploy up to 100 aircraft. The air wing will include naval versions of T-50s (PAK FA) currently in development and MiG-29Ks, as well as early warning radar aircraft, most likely Yak-44Es.

The flight deck is of dual design and features four launching positions. Two have ski-jump ramps and the other two have electromagnetic catapults to enable take-off from a shortened runway.

The Russian bid is favored by the Indians partly because Moscow is willing to allow bigger technology transfers than the French and American contenders, Izvestia said. A program called Make in India launched by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2014 seeks to stimulate domestic production of high-tech products, including military hardware.

Russia enjoys strong defense cooperation with India, including its navy. One of the country’s two serving aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya, is a Kiev-class Soviet ship, which was rebuilt by Russia. The other, the INS Viraat – formerly the HMS Hermes of the British Royal Navy – is to be decommissioned in June and replaced in 2018 with its first domestically build aircraft carrier of the Vikrant class, which Russia helped design and build in a joint effort with Italy.

India is also cooperating with Russia in aircraft design and production. An “Indian” version of the PAK FA is being developed, which facilitates India’s domestic acquisition of aircraft for the future carrier. The Indian Navy is already the prime user of MiG-29Ks.

brass talk points

- EMALS
- nuke power
- VTOL
- VLS launchers for DRDO missiles

kit · Post by **kit** » 02 Mar 2016 20:56

SaiK wrote:
Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report
https://www.rt.com/news/334142-india-ai ... er-tender/
India will reportedly shortly announce a tendering procedure for building its fourth aircraft carrier. A new Russian project called “Storm”, which was made public last year, is said to be among the frontrunners.

India’s plans to have a new aircraft carrier have been floating around for some time. French defense newsletter TTU reported that a French delegation visited India in late January to propose the naval version of the Dassault Rafale jet to complement its future bid. The US is also eyeing the lucrative contract.

However, according to the Izvestia newspaper, the Russian project is the favorite in the upcoming tender. Russia's Krylovsky State Research Center (KRSC) will be offering its new multipurpose heavy aircraft carrier design called Project 23000E Shtorm (Storm). The project was first revealed to the public in June at the Army-2015 show near Moscow, where a scale model of the ship was exhibited.

The design has a displacement of up to 100,000 tons, is 330 meters long, 40 meters wide, and has a draft of 11 meters. It has a nuclear power plant, although initial plans state a conventional one may also be used. The ship is designed to sail at up to 30 knots (around 55 km/h) and withstand sea state 6-7 (characterized by waves up to 9 meters high).

Tugboats guide the indigenously-built aircraft carrier INS Vikrant as it leaves the dock of the Cochin Shipyard after the launch ceremony in Kochi on August 12, 2013 (AFP Photo / Manjunath Kiran)India launches first home-built aircraft carrier

The carrier can remain 120 days at sea before needing a port. It will have a crew of 4,000 to 5,000 and deploy up to 100 aircraft. The air wing will include naval versions of T-50s (PAK FA) currently in development and MiG-29Ks, as well as early warning radar aircraft, most likely Yak-44Es.

The flight deck is of dual design and features four launching positions. Two have ski-jump ramps and the other two have electromagnetic catapults to enable take-off from a shortened runway.

The Russian bid is favored by the Indians partly because Moscow is willing to allow bigger technology transfers than the French and American contenders, Izvestia said. A program called Make in India launched by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2014 seeks to stimulate domestic production of high-tech products, including military hardware.

Russia enjoys strong defense cooperation with India, including its navy. One of the country’s two serving aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya, is a Kiev-class Soviet ship, which was rebuilt by Russia. The other, the INS Viraat – formerly the HMS Hermes of the British Royal Navy – is to be decommissioned in June and replaced in 2018 with its first domestically build aircraft carrier of the Vikrant class, which Russia helped design and build in a joint effort with Italy.

India is also cooperating with Russia in aircraft design and production. An “Indian” version of the PAK FA is being developed, which facilitates India’s domestic acquisition of aircraft for the future carrier. The Indian Navy is already the prime user of MiG-29Ks.
brass talk points

- EMALS
- nuke power
- VTOL
- VLS launchers for DRDO missiles

looks like the IAC will be nuke powered and the Russians might help with that !.. interesting part would be if an EMALS be mated to such a carrier

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 Mar 2016 02:54

we should also use the multifunction self-protection system like arena or trophy on an enhanced scale for these jumbo carriers. q: when they say 120 days with nukes, is it only for supplies and dumps?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 03 Mar 2016 04:52

NRao wrote:US to help India develop engine for Gen-5 fighter, AMCA likely to be powered by GE's Enhanced F-414 engine

Business Standard understands the navy is opting for indigenous nuclear reactors to power the second carrier. However, the admirals are keen to incorporate an American-designed catapult launch system
Then make it a 100,000 tons even.

Any linkage to the LSA/CISMOA...you think?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 Mar 2016 07:53

Data points from 2015:

Policy wonks in the US refer to the LSA, CISMOA, BECA and an End User Monitoring Agreement as the ‘foundational documents’ for military-to-military relations. US law requires that it sign these agreements before agreeing to transfer sophisticated military technology and weapons.

The LSA: A version of an arrangement that the US originally had only with members of the NATO alliance that was called Acquisitions & Cross Servicing Agreement (ACSA). The US now has such arrangements with more than 80 countries. The agreement enables three types of transactions between the US military and friendly militaries – in cash, replacement in kind (RiK) and EVE (Equal Value Exchange). They do not always cover supplies of lethal equipment. The agreement by itself alone does not give the US the right to base its military on foreign soil but it grants it access to military stations of signatory countries.

CISMOA: The Communications Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement asks of buyers of sophisticated military communication and detection systems to ensure that the hardware used is compatible with other American systems.

BECA: requires secrecy provisions to be signed before using US equipment for communications and access to satellite networks.

India has frozen an End User Verification Arrangement with the US but insists that all inspections of US equipment with the armed forces of India must be non-intrusive.

So, let me know what you think.

member_26535 · Post by **member_26535** » 03 Mar 2016 10:13

"The design has a displacement of up to 100,000 tons, is 330 meters long, 40 meters wide, and has a draft of 11 meters. It has a nuclear power plant, although initial plans state a conventional one may also be used. "

If we are getting a 100,000 tonne carrier, lets call it as INS RajaRaja Chola and the follow on one as Rajendra Chola in memory of these great emperors who used the large navy at their disposal to conquer large parts of SE Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy