Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 10 Sep 2016 22:03

Why do we wonder what Russia is doing? Russia is doing what it should for its interests. The question should be what are WE doing?

We should import components/techs from Russia and maybe couple of advanced Kilos, nuke subs to plug holes where needed. Complete weapon system purchases are no longer necessary (unless you're working for UndieTV or Vinod Dua types).

India should be working on keeping the IL 76 fleet flying with engine upgrades and better cockpit interfaces to reduce pilot workload. You're absolutely correct about Conversion of some of the IL 76s into tankers.

It is the boys with toys attitude of the armed forces procurement types that is weakening India. We see that mind set from some posters here who seem to be working in procurement (as agents of foreign firms) pimping foreign junk over desi development.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 10 Sep 2016 22:38

Gyan wrote:I don't know what Russia is doing and it can be easily possible that some Arms Pimps are trying to modulate public opinion for some needless Russian imports. I think that import of Russian frigates is needless considering the amount of idle capacity in Indian Pvt Shipyards. India can also dovetail it request for Akula and assistance in SSNs with deal for import of 10 nuclear reactors, investment in Russian oil fields etc.

I think the Navy knows what necessary for it and wont import some thing which it doesn't want. The plans for ordering more of the Talwar class has been around for some time now. Since these ships are already under construction can be available faster than starting a new project.

On the idle capacity in Indian Pvt Shipyards, Navy had ordered 5 offshore patrol vessels from Pipavav in 2010 which is behind schedule by about a couple of years. Shipbuilding is a complicated task which needs lot of experience and Naval ships are like frigates are also not cheap so don't expect the navy to order them from Pvt Shipyards immediately, they may be given orders for smaller ships first.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 11 Sep 2016 03:39

I think talwars are like by navy, they maybe a good product like Mi-17 Helicopters that come out of Russia. Anyway they'll rot without ukranian engines so better take them seeing slow pace of our Shivaliks, plus using it as a big favour to russkies getting some other dark tech.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 11 Sep 2016 07:58

What strange logic is this? No call for increasing the pace of domestic manufacturer. But are OK with an import from russia.

Please identify the reason why Indian yards take such a long time and have this problem fixed.

As you will find that the delay is in MOD sourced systems rather then the yard sourced system. call for fixing that, rather than more imports.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 11 Sep 2016 10:41

‘Nepotism nuked our careers’

Navy officers seek redress from Armed Forces Tribunal.

In 2005, almost seven years after the 1998 nuclear tests, the Indian Navy quietly sent 52 officers and over 100 sailors to Russia to induct INS Chakra, a nuclear submarine on lease. It would provide escort to INS Arihant, the indigenously built nuclear submarine carrying strategic nuclear missiles on board.

Trained by Russians
A critical component of the almost $100 million training programme was a group of 11 officers who were to be trained by Russian experts for operating nuclear reactors on submarines.

This group was to play a critical leadership role as India’s nuclear submarine capabilities reached the maturity to launch nuclear missiles.

In a bizarre twist to that pioneering effort, all the senior reactor operators, nine of them, have been denied promotion to the rank of Captain, despite their expensive and exclusive skills in commissioning, operating and maintaining nuclear reactors on submarines.

Written complaints
Two of the nine who were refused promotion have now alleged in written complaints before an Armed Forces Tribunal (AFT) that a Vice Admiral overseeing the Navy’s strategic programme manipulated the promotion system to ensure that his son-in-law had a smooth ride up the ladder, by removing all competition.

In the process the entire lot of nuclear reactor operators were denied their due, they alleged.

These officers would have pioneered policy and decision making in nuclear submarine operations and safety, as India begins to complete its nuclear triad — ability to launch nuclear missiles from land, air and sea. Just two junior commanders, whose promotion board has yet not come up, are still hopeful of elevation.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 11 Sep 2016 10:42

Karthik S wrote:From the various articles of Russian media, it seems we are being offered or we have shown interest in Grigorovich.

Do we really need to discuss such reports?

“The Navy receives many unsolicited proposals from companies (both Indian and foreign) for many projects as per requirements of the service. This cannot be construed as negotiations by Navy or the Defence Ministry,” said a Defence Ministry spokesperson.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 072577.ece

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 11 Sep 2016 12:36

Kakkaji wrote:‘Nepotism nuked our careers’

Navy officers seek redress from Armed Forces Tribunal.

In 2005, almost seven years after the 1998 nuclear tests, the Indian Navy quietly sent 52 officers and over 100 sailors to Russia to induct INS Chakra, a nuclear submarine on lease. It would provide escort to INS Arihant, the indigenously built nuclear submarine carrying strategic nuclear missiles on board.

Trained by Russians
A critical component of the almost $100 million training programme was a group of 11 officers who were to be trained by Russian experts for operating nuclear reactors on submarines.

This group was to play a critical leadership role as India’s nuclear submarine capabilities reached the maturity to launch nuclear missiles.

In a bizarre twist to that pioneering effort, all the senior reactor operators, nine of them, have been denied promotion to the rank of Captain, despite their expensive and exclusive skills in commissioning, operating and maintaining nuclear reactors on submarines.

Written complaints
Two of the nine who were refused promotion have now alleged in written complaints before an Armed Forces Tribunal (AFT) that a Vice Admiral overseeing the Navy’s strategic programme manipulated the promotion system to ensure that his son-in-law had a smooth ride up the ladder, by removing all competition.

In the process the entire lot of nuclear reactor operators were denied their due, they alleged.

These officers would have pioneered policy and decision making in nuclear submarine operations and safety, as India begins to complete its nuclear triad — ability to launch nuclear missiles from land, air and sea. Just two junior commanders, whose promotion board has yet not come up, are still hopeful of elevation.

Is this report correct?? If someone at the very top can be so selfish as to compromise national interest for some petty self-interests so easily then we have a serious problem here. As such how can the promotion process be manipulated? Isn't there a fixed system in place??

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 11 Sep 2016 16:39

It is possible and happens a lot in all services. High performers and efficient one's get sidelined to accommodate others. Some challenge this and succeed but in most cases others just move out on being superseded. Now this is also not possible as they loose the benefit under "one rank one pension" am given to understand.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 11 Sep 2016 17:43

This case seems a serious thing, from the report it looks like it has dented some serious hole to out nuclear capabilities where specially trained officers are leaving who otherwise would have laid foundation for nuclear strategy. If this kind of offence is not anti-national activity (may be done without anti-national intentions) then what is?? If this is true then that particular Vice-Admiral needs to be punished for this and made example out of it.

As such I have seen even in AF some good pilots move out because of these promotions' issues. Why can't our Forces come up with a good system to retain talent??

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Sep 2016 10:13

Why not go 90,000 kton nimitz types rather?
http://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis ... ava/924697

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Sep 2016 12:57

Reg. extra Talwars.The IN has been examining this option for a few years now.The DPSU yards are full of orders.The fleet has to be rapidly enlarged to meet the huge PRC surge in numbers and challenge.It is taking us between 5-7 yrs to deliver an FFG/DDG,much too long.The Talwar design has been a great success and follow on variants will be fitted with BMos and B-8 (probably),plus better sensors,helo,etc.More units of a type leads to better opertional availability,training,support,etc.Remember how we once had 12 Petyas. Building a few in pvt yards will gain them experience so that various types can be outsourced to them as well to support the DPSUs. This is a quick way to increase the fleet strength with a known (improved) type. If linked in a package deal with other requirements,hopefully the overall bill for the lot will be significantly reduced.It is here where our MOD negotiators have to exercise their intelligence and get the best deal for India. One is sure that the PMO will scrutinise it most diligently as it is reportedly doing wihth the Rafale deal that seems to be on the verge of finalisation.

A supercarrier will cost an astronomical figure.Are the funds available? I really don't think so.A slightly larger modified sister ship to the Vikrant-2 will be the best interim affordable option.The sub fleet must take top priority.The 12 P-8I LRMP aircraft,plus IL-38SDs,TU-142 Bears used sparingly,but with enormous reach,will be able to protect the mainland and IN assets in the IOR from the unsinkable carrier "INS India".With Pak getting 8 PRC AIP subs,at least equal to its old Kilos,the number of subs that it will possess requires the IN to have at least double that number to deal solely with the Paki/PN sub threat. Another 18 subs will be required to deal with the PLAN threat,at least 6 to be N-subs. Just for the record,the USN's new super-stealth DDG,with a tremendous capability,the Zumwalt, of which it has 3 on order,costs $4.5B apiece!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2016 10:19

‏@ShivAroor
2nd ship of India's new destroyer line, the Visakhapatnam-class, will be launched on Sept 17. Details

@Livefist.

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Sep 2016 10:33

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... e?w=alauto

Indian team for Russia in hunt for submarine - this time our team is looking for a newer class of boat

India and Russia will undertake advanced discussions this week on the leasing of a second nuclear attack submarine h have been ongoing for a while.
An Indian delegation is heading to Russia in the next few days to carry out talks on the issue, official sources told The Hindu.
On Tuesday, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and Deputy Prime Minister of Russia, Dmitry Rogozin chaired the 22nd session of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation (IRIGC-TEC) setting the agenda for the summit-level meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin next month.
Russia has already leased an Akula class nuclear attack submarine to India for 10 years as a package deal along with aircraft carrier Vikramaditya which was commissioned into the Indian Navy as INS Chakra in 2012.
Informed sources said that while Russia has offered another Akula SSN on lease, India is interested in a different and a newer class of boat. Officials expressed hope of concluding a deal very soon.

Submarines are considered the most potent offensive military platforms. While conventional diesel-electric submarines have limited range and endurance, nuclear powered submarines are free of such limitations.

Powered by a nuclear reactor which gives virtually unlimited range and endurance, the submarines can silently traverse oceans hunting for enemy vessels. Nuclear submarines are of two types, nuclear attack submarines (SSNs) and ballistic nuclear submarines (SSBN).
SSBNs are specifically meant to carry missiles armed with nuclear warheads and assure a nation’s second strike capability if attacked first by nuclear weapons.
India’s first SSBN Arihant powered by a 83 MW nuclear reactor has been under sea-trials since 2009 and is all set for commissioning. At least two more boats of the same class are in various stages of construction.
Indigenous SSNs
In February last, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) has approved the design and construction of six SSNs domestically. By the approval, the government had converted part of the ambitious 30-year, 24 submarine building plan from conventional to nuclear.
The plan is to design and build an indigenous SSN based on the experience gained from Arihant and they will be built at the same Submarine Building Complex in Vizag.
The programme is on track and the design phase is progressing as per schedule, officials said without elaborating further.
Senior Navy officials had in the past expressed confidence that they would be able to reduce the timelines for such a complex project which typically takes about 15 years.
Indian Navy currently operates thirteen conventional submarines and one nuclear attack submarine leased from Russia. In contrast, China operates five SSNs, four SSBNs and over 50 conventional submarines.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Sep 2016 12:06

A new boat even if Yasen,whatever will take 5-6 years to build.An unfinished Akula,some say the "Kash-a-lot",could be further upgraded and completed speedily.If the "cutting edge" sub-tech is given to us for the 6 SSNs to be built,esp. reactor tech,that will allow us to leapfrog the basic N-sub tech that we've obtained with the ATV programme.There was a report some time ago that Russia was keen to get involved in the SSN programme. Whatever happens,good news that serious discussions are on for more N-subs.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 14 Sep 2016 13:16

INS Marmugao, second of Visakhapatnam class (15B) destroyers is being launched on 17th Sept. It would be great if someone can cover the launch. And pictures please.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2016 17:04

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/776006900181643264
99% of hull-work on India's 1st indigenous Vikrant-class aircraft carrier complete, ready by Dec 2018: @IndianNavy

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 14 Sep 2016 17:48

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 14 Sep 2016 19:22

Good speed of hull construction, first ship was launched last year. While the first will be commissioned in 2018, But according to initial estimates, this ship will be commissioned in 2020. We really need to shorten the time it takes from the launch date to commissioning date.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 14 Sep 2016 20:09

So the destroyer has no bulbous bow underneath like US destroyer Arleigh Burke class ships?

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 14 Sep 2016 21:37

From Livefist:

New Stealth Qualities In India’s P17A Frigates?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 14 Sep 2016 22:42

Any news on INS Chennai's commissioning? It's due this year, iirc.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Sep 2016 23:31

Navy aims to induct first indigenous aircraft carrier by 2018

NEW DELHI: The Navy today said it has set a target of 2018 for inducting its first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) and is "seriously considering" about having a second such ship.

The government is seriously considering IAC-2 and it is in "concept" stage, he said.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 15 Sep 2016 01:26

Project 15 Bravo:

"MR GUN" i.e. 127 mm?

Where are the RBUs? what is that pyramid type structure behind the gun

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 Sep 2016 02:21

so what are the 33% imports in this?

radars and?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Sep 2016 04:34

the powerplant I believe.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Sep 2016 14:09

Second such ship,meaning a follow on sister ship or the 65t design?

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 15 Sep 2016 22:02

NSTL has issued tenders for:
1. MANUFACTURING, SUPPLY, ERECTION, COMMISSIONING TESTING AND TUNING OF LAUNCH TANKS WITH AUXILIARY SYSTEMS FOR SUPERCAVITAION STUDIES.
2. CONSULTANCY CONTRACT FOR DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF SUPERCAVITATING PROJECTILE

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 16 Sep 2016 03:22

Saw this one earlier. How credible is this piece?

http://www.defencenews.in/article/India ... ummit-8127

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 Sep 2016 04:23

Screen grab from a video about India's enriched uranium / UCAV development program in the new city in Citradurga

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 16 Sep 2016 05:41

JayS wrote:Saw this one earlier. How credible is this piece?

http://www.defencenews.in/article/India ... ummit-8127

So many news articles saying India close to buy many things. Let's wait till we get any updates from MoD.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2016 08:55

The Rime of the Ancient Submariner
A retired naval officer recounts living in a submarine with 70 men, who have not seen sunlight or breathed natural air for months on end.

The signal started flashing, somewhere in the afternoon. Or I think it was afternoon. We’d been on a sortie for three weeks and the days and nights had merged into each other, in a haze of artificial white light. Once you go underwater, only the officer who mans the periscope is able to see sunlight. The rest of us had come to terms with living without it and losing touch with our biological clocks until we could no longer tell the hours anymore.

The day of the leak started like any other; the constant battle between inertia and alertness that marks life in a submarine continued. It was all relatively new for me. I was in the first year of service, after having completed my training. Living with 70 men, who have not seen sunlight or breathed natural air for two months, sharing two toilets, maintaining a closely monitored silence, and living in sub-optimised levels of oxygen – I was still getting used to it all as well as the undercurrent of friction that runs through this subterranean, ghostly world that has a singular, unremitting purpose – to listen in on the world outside.

That day, as the red signal flashed, the usual, eerie silence quickly turned into an urgent rustle of feet. We didn’t know what had gone wrong, but 800 feet under the water, the smallest leak could be catastrophic.

This aquatic existence is a triumph of engineering as well as a daily battle with elements. The most dangerous is water. The weight of the ocean holds the submarine in a death grip. Every 10 metres that a submarine plunges into the ocean’s depth, the pressure on it increases by a kilo and at any given time, a submarine is being compressed on all sides by enough force to destroy modern marvels like bridges and dams. But it is not this Hulk-like embrace of the ocean, which causes a red alert; it is often a tiny spray of water which spells danger.

The hull of an average submarine has up to 150 small joints that engineers have to inspect carefully on every shift. A tiny change in temperature or pressure on one point could lead to a disaster. When we reached the briefing point, that’s exactly what we were told: A joint on the hull had given way to a feeble but steady spray of water near the control room.

The suppressed panic was evident in the eyes of the crew. The control room is like a sanctum sanctorum. Nothing can defile it. If the spray elicited a spark from the controls, it would be the end. We might as well rise up and wave to the enemy spies. Our game was up. Smoke would spread quickly through the vessel and a carbon-monoxide asphyxiation in a closed environment would lead to quick deaths. There would not even be an SOS call; a submarine never sends out a signal, it only receives orders.

The only option, if things escalated, was to escape. Escape was by far the most ardous, psychically daunting enterprise of a submariner’s life, one that all hope never to encounter. During the escape, each man has to wear a suit and crawl through a dark, breathless tunnel with a diameter of 500 millimetres. Think of it like crawling through the belly of a snake. It is a trek, which a lot of people are unable to finish. Those who succeed, find themselves thrown into the middle of the ocean where the seawater temperature is cold in a way that sends existential terror shooting through your subconscious. On the small off chance that you survive, you are rescued by helicopters.

On the whole, you’re better off asphyxiating in your bunker than attempting a submarine escape. The death, at least, is quicker.

I had chosen to be a part of this bottomless world at the age of 22.

In my batch, there weren’t many takers for this naval branch. There is no obvious glory to it, no brotherhood, no playful jousting. There is only a brutal structure of three-hour watches and six-hour rests, claustrophobia, boredom, and an all-pervading stink of 70 heaving, sweating, breathless men, doused in oil at all hours of the day. On a submarine, clean laundry can give you a high.

We are initiated into this way of life by knocking back a glass of seawater. All the rookies are lined up for the ceremony and handed their glasses. For the next three months, this water is the only element we submariners know, our lives depend on it. So we start our journey by ingesting some, becoming one with the sea in a way. And then we say goodbye to the world, as we know it.

With that glass of stomach-churning liquid, we enter a profoundly secret world. Our lives are top secret, our locations never disclosed, our missions never to be seen or heard of, even though we are an integral part of our country’s defence and espionage mechanisms. Our orders come from New Delhi and the captain is handed over burn-after-reading envelopes before he starts on a sortie. He has little idea where he will lead the submarine and crew to, and is only supposed to open each envelope when he receives orders to do so.

None of this comes as a surprise, of course. Our training has more than prepared us. Indian submariners are trained in Russia, in a gruelling boot camp that is packed with more than 14 hours of training, six days a week with a five-day break in the year. We sit there studying for as long as we can, then march back to the barracks, shower, sleep, and do it again. Imagine 10 hours per day, learning different components of alloys and engines, followed by exercise (if we’re lucky) and then… surprise, some more studying. We cram four to six years of college-level information into a year. It’s an impressive system in the same way watching a car get compacted in a junkyard is impressive. At the end of it, we are prepared for anything.

I was prepared for hovel-like rooms in which I couldn’t fully stand up, I was prepared for the deadly “ultra-quiet” order where the vessel is put on silent mode, the air conditioners are switched off. I was prepared to lie down for hours, sometimes for days in hot, airless bunkers so that there is pin-drop silence through the vessel. And I was prepared for evacuation.

Or at least that’s what I told myself as I waited for the technician to give his verdict. As the other men retreated into groups, I stood alone, thinking of my wife back home, as I imagined slipping into my watery grave.

That day we didn’t sink, escape, or asphyxiate. After fifteen long and agonising minutes, the technician fixed the leak. The control room remained dry and we lived to fight another day. Three decades passed this way – many more leaks came and went, as did detection threats, botched missions, disease outbreaks, ultra-quiet modes, and I lived through them all.

It’s been three years since I last went underwater. Now, there’s abundant sunlight and oxygen around, but there’s still part of me that longs for those florescent days at sea.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 16 Sep 2016 09:30

Two thumbs up and a salute for your service.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Sep 2016 12:13

Indian Delegation to Visit Russia for Leasing Yasen Class Submarine © Photo: press-service of JSC "PO "Sevmas

MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE 19:07 15.09.2016Get short URL 0105374 India is interested in renting the multi-purpose Project 885 Yasen class submarine from Russia. This is being seen as a sign of another forthcoming India-Russia collaborative venture for the construction of six new SSN for Indian Navy. New Delhi (Sputnik) — A high-level Indian delegation will be visiting Russia shortly to finalize an agreement on renting the Yasen class submarine for the Indian Navy. © PHOTO: PRESS-SERVICE OF JSC "PO "SEVMAS Russian Yasen-Class Nuclear Submarines to Be Ready by 2023 – Russian Navy Government sources told Sputnik that renting the second nuclear powered attack submarine from Russia would result in the introduction of newer technology into India, which would eventually pave the way for Russian collaboration with India for it program to build six new SSN. Russia had originally offered Akula class submarine to India which India already had in the form of the INS Chakra. Experts consider that there may be some adversities due to the different characteristics of the two boats, but this may be more than offset by the newer technology the Yasen brings into India's own SSN-building program in the longer term. Executive Director of National Maritime Foundation Indian Navy Captain Gurpreet S Khurana says, “It may not be a bad idea to get the Yasen-class as the second boat. Its design is known to be based on the Akula, and yet it is more advanced and capable than its predecessor.” © PHOTO: PRESS-SERVICE OF JSC "PO "SEVMAS Russian New Yasen-Class Nuclear Subs Able to Carry All Sea-Based Cruise Missiles Project-75I that relates to the manufacturing of six new nuclear attack submarines at an approximate cost of $8.5 bln is being held up due to a delay finalizing the Defense Procurement Policy 2016. Now the policy is ready, the tender likely to be issued by end of this year. Meanwhile, French ship building company DCNS’ alleged involvement in the Scorpene Submarine data leak controversy makes a strong case for another India-Russia collaborative venture for this project. Captain Khurana says that the Indian government’s decision to locally build the six nuclear powered attack submarines is driven by the country’s maritime interest in distant areas. “A SSN is required to influence events in distant areas of the country's maritime interest, where conventional surface and integral aviation cannot operate for whatever reason. The Indian government seems to have realized this national imperative while approving the indigenous construction of six SSNs,” says Captain Khurana.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201609 ... arine.html

And another report reg. poss. tie up with Ru for n N-powered carrier.

India-Russia to close multi-billion dollar Shtorm Super Carrier defence deal before Summit
Thursday, September 15, 2016
By: Russia India Report

This could be a defining moment in India-Russia relations as by end of this year most of the ongoing defence deals could be concluded. The total value of these defence deals is in the billions of dollars, higher than any deals struck by India with western countries.

An Indian delegation is leaving for Russia to negotiate contracts on some very important defence acquisitions. Government sources told to Sputnik that a high level delegation will leave for Russia in a few days to discuss some strategic purchases for its maritime security.

Sources say that India would like to finalize a deal to lease some submarines from Russia. As the US refused to share technology for building a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, the delegation would also start the discussion for a super-carrier with Russia. Last week, Russia officially offered its latest nuclear aircraft carrier 'Shtorm' to India.

Sources say that, India and Russia concluded two very important negotiations only last week. First, both nations agreed to license-build 200 twin-engine Kamov Ka-226T light multi-role helicopters and secondly, to jointly develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). It is expected that the Design and Development contract for the FGFA will be signed during Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to India in October this year. India’s Defence Ministry expects the project will be completed in next 8-10 years.
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx? ... ore_Summit

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Sep 2016 08:31

I seriously doubt russia can lease any yasen class. its a vital rebuild of their SSN fleet. older akula maybe...

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 17 Sep 2016 10:12

Singha ji maybe due to this alarming money situation, NaMo may have found a window to get Yasen :

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3689&p=2045291#p2045291

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Sep 2016 11:18

JayS wrote:Saw this one earlier. How credible is this piece?

http://www.defencenews.in/article/India ... ummit-8127

Source is rbth. Sputnik has been saying that for a long time. It is what they do. That carrier is supposed to have a Russian EMALS. Last I checked it also had a ski jump. Dunno. Sources are suspect.

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 17 Sep 2016 19:22

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 17 Sep 2016 19:30

Vikrant?

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 18 Sep 2016 01:28

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 18 Sep 2016 03:27

Vivek K wrote:Vikrant?

Yes