syam wrote:Off-topic:
Guys, can you tell me more about slavery in West during earlier period.
Islam is more about conversions and Harems than into slavery(?). I don't know how much Persians and Greeks practiced slavery. Romans I don't know but European have rich history of slavery. I really want to know more about this.
Seperate question,
how come Indian kings did business with these guys when they have questionable moral standards?
East roman empire did trade with India using sea routes. Indian kings had even ambassadors to these empires. How come they were not aware of Islam and other things when all it happened before their own eyes? Surely communication was not that bad considering they were doing trade for centuries.
So many things are not adding up. Especially the role of slavery.
If you guys already discussed this topic, please share the link to old discussions.
Off topic--
will attempt to say a few on the above.
probably first recorded instance of racism is the book of genesis-- about curse-noah sons- ham shem jhapeth.
ham- give rise to hamites now called as caucasians
shem give rise to semtism- jews-- anti jew is antismetism
rest are jhapeth- blacks brown etc- forever to be seen as slaves till 18th century.
This took a big turn under christianity with popes and saints and many bishops etc doing the same.
Thomas aquilla and Saville bishop and many others made it big in their works. This took a decisive turn when pope later issued a papacy regarding Christian doctrine - exploring new lands to propagate Christianity -- all heatrhens/non christians fit to be slaves, will go to hell- can be punished- women children conversions rapes etc. This led to giving rights first to spain and portugal in late 1400s to colonise and slave people (non Christians unless converted- even then are inferior to whites).
fast forward to today-- recall the effects of colonisation and slavery al over the world. Germany was excluded initially because their king defied the church. he was stripped of the throne. he was forced to abdicate the rule, made to become a common slave etc.
The Christian world went into spasm of violence with millions killed- protestants born which divided into many more. British came into fore- used pirates to destroy others ( recall pakis using non state actors).England become powerful- captured upto 90% of then world in its heyday. (hence the term sun never sets on british empire.)
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Islam was found around 7th century - lot of stuff incorporated from christinaity with diffreneces. slavery was also included with changes. All non believers can be made into slaves if submitted to their god. women and children are property etc. rapes molestation etc are common. No believer should be celibate as commanded by its founder. hence virtually no believer is celibate(unique related to other religions).
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slavery common is both the Abrahamic religions as mentioned in their scriptures. But today it is not so as people have improved in their outlook but keeps raising its ugly head every often. The more one becomes fundamentalist -- more narrow their outlook- hence take ISIS and slavery. some christ fundoos etc. They literally follow the scriptures making it ugly.
famous example is Hilter- followed protestant form- made jews enemies. he was not an atheist as mentioned. pope supported him. had church influence.
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wrt India-- slavery has been a part of India's landscape since centuries.
During ancient greeks romans- some women were exported to India as they were unable to pay the money for the goods exported by India. their gold and other items were in short supply. This was like barter trade. Not raped or molested due to being different religion etc. ( per talk by Sanjeev Sanyal)
with the advent of Islamic invasions- women and children rapes molestation reached high levels. This was basically due to religion. concept of no celibacy, can marry any number etc with no sins attached to killing raping non believers made them do it. basically the scriptures made them do it. Also land around turkey was known for this brutality even before islam was founded. probably tribal identity incorporated into islam.
Romas likely slave Hindus taken to west from India ended in Europe thru middle east.
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British also did its part in slavery in India-- waves of Indians transported to various parts of british empire. called as coolies. Now Indians are in over 135+ countries of the world- basically british held territories-- their ancestors were transported as slaves. Now thriving--- Unique among all slaves that they have built their lives and are thriving well despite decades of subjugation and slavery and conversion attempts. curious is they don't caste as prominent as it is in India which is very important to understand India story of caste. worsened due to JLN agreeing to follow british caste census etc.
Recall the names of Indians descent from overseas-- different spellings compared Indian counterparts. Also some differences with Hindu festival celebrations.
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India did not have slavery related to religion or skin colour per se. There were other forms like manual labourer- not paying money- unscrupulous money lenders- corrupt folks etc. Nothing related to religion or in scriptures.
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India only country in the world to accept refuges from Christianity, islamics, jews and blacks from Africa without raping their women or children or forcing conversions etc.
India only country to allow blacks to rule some parts of land as chieftans/palegars etc in South India. No here in the world is this present. Blacks freely intermigled with loclas and also married and produced children.Sadly this part of story never known to many Indians themselves.
IMO-- feels to disagree and or add to my post.