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Desert Ferrari MBT Arjun Mk II at live demo dry run at DefExpo-2018 @DefExpoIndia @DefenceMinIndia
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Think it is tata KestrelPratyush wrote:What's the afv in the background to the Arjun.
all employment schemes should be privatised .. atleast it would have efficiency.. GOI can give assured ordersCosmo_R wrote:OFB will soldier on regardless of orders. It's an employment scheme.Kersi wrote:
It is very depressing to read these reports. Looks like entire OFB complex should be shut down ASAP.
Sir, Thank you. Good luck and God speed.tsarkar wrote:Thanks a lot!
It's a FICV JV between DRDO VRDE and Tata Motors and is called Wheeled Armored Platform (WhAP).kvraghav wrote:Think it is tata KestrelPratyush wrote:What's the afv in the background to the Arjun.
I needed that report for my homework. I asked our Defence Minister on Saturday on inducting Tejas and Arjun in more numbers, and she gave a very positive response. The video is there in the Tejas thread.Manish_P wrote:Sir, Thank you. Good luck and God speed.tsarkar wrote:Thanks a lot!
WhAP and Kestrel are one and the same.srai wrote:It's a FICV JV between DRDO VRDE and Tata Motors and is called Wheeled Armored Platform (WhAP).kvraghav wrote: Think it is tata Kestrel
Kersi wrote:It is very depressing to read these reports. Looks like entire OFB complex should be shut down ASAP.Manish_P wrote:Sir
Page 297 - annexure XIX
Link - https://www.cag.gov.in/sites/default/fi ... 5_2014.pdf
Conventional Inf Divs have an armd regt. The RAPIDs have an armd brigade with 2 armd regt and 2 mech inf regts i believe. Additionally there are indep armd brigades. Some attached to the strike corps and some with other corps.ramana wrote:Philip wrote:Why I"ve been stressing the need for a few
hundred light tanks.If the Sprut's armour can be i.proved with better armour or ERA tiles it will still be in thd 20t+ range.
I think that the IA still want an overwhelming superiority in armour iver the PA, to blunt any offensive by them or race deep into southern Pak and use territory as a bargaining chip.
Philip. Look at the number of armored divisions in IA.
Eg:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... /corps.htm
Total three divisions with three strike corps.
1st, 31st, and 33rd.
Each has three armd brigades: 90 tanks each.
So total armd divs inventory objective is 90*3*3 = 810. So say 90 more for reserves etc. It comes to 900 tanks.
Then add the 1 armd brigade per infantry division. Don't know how many are those.
Its possible a clever corps commander will ensure his armd brigades can work together and form a reserve armd division in a pinch. So he has two armd divsions in his corps.
But knowing doctrine he will be court martialed.
Mtn divisions could probably use the BMP with Konkurs as Nag is still a distant dream.
Six known (2, 3, 6, 14, 16, 23), plus one more reported: https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/ARMY/tod ... oured.htmlramana wrote:How many Independent Armored brigades?
Bart S wrote:Fascinating video from Defexpo, watch from around 2:00 to hear directly from a guy who really knows what he is talking about, how our 'strategic partner' and 'only trustworthy friend' screws us over on spares:
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Lets look at it from another POV.John wrote: I doubt after S-400 there is room in budget for purchase of another ABM and will eat into even domestic program (AAD).
Karan M wrote:Plus, most tanks now have spall liners, and HESH can at best mission kill a tank by stripping its sights etc. But not reliably penetrate modern armor arrays. There is s big reason FSAPDS remains part of the Arjun loadout.srin wrote:^^ Two questions:
- What's the effectiveness of HESH round on spaced armour ?
- How does the muzzle velocity of 105mm howitzer compare to that of a tank ?
Great, just great, job well done and Arjun-MkII successfully delayed further. Not sure who i should congratulate of this great job.Trikaal wrote:http://idrw.org/arjun-mk-2-set-to-lose- ... of-weight/
Arjun Mk-2 after incorporating 84 improvements gained over six tons over the MK1 and now weighs at 68.6 tons. but this is about to change and on instances of the Indian Army, DRDO has again started working on to carry out structural improvements and also develop a reconfigured Hull with new improved advanced armor material which will allow it to lose 3 tons in total weight.
Indian Army had asked for weight optimized Mk-2 in 2016 and work begin soon after by DRDO put results will not be quick since reconfiguration of an accepted design will mean more painstaking and also slow developmental work which will keep the Mk-2 out of production before it is revalidated again by Indian Army in fresh trials.
Experts are already questioning what advantage a 65.5 tons Mk-2 will bring over 68.6 tons Mk-2 in its area of operations. In past, even 62 tons MK1 was criticised for being overweight and hardly 80 of the tanks were inducted or operational within Indian Army at this given point.
46 ton Russian developed and locally manufactured T-90A Main Battle Tank is still quite popular with the Indian Army and over 1200 already are in service with Indian Army even though T-90A was outgunned and outmaneuvered by Arjun MBT in direct field trials years ago.
Source- IDRW
Trikaal wrote:What difference will a 65 ton tank make compared to a 68 ton tank? Just another tactic to delay Arjun.
I believe it is time DRDO just give up on Arjun and start working on a light tank(40 tons) because it doesn't look like army will ever accept it. I am sorry for the pessimism but I have lost all hope.
Who says its 100 pounds? Around half that.Arun.prabhu wrote:This is necroed, so apologies in advance. There isn't any spaced armor that is effective against a hundred pounds of plastic explosive slapped against the armour and detonated. Certainly, if not spalling, the shock from the explosion will kill or seriously wound the crew.
Karan M wrote:
Plus, most tanks now have spall liners, and HESH can at best mission kill a tank by stripping its sights etc. But not reliably penetrate modern armor arrays. There is s big reason FSAPDS remains part of the Arjun loadout.
Where was the army requirement ?. Is the drdo supposed to provide requirements to the army ? Or are they supposed to keep developing tanks without any requirement and the army is supposed to fit the requirements to the hardware ? What a cluster**** that would be ..Philip wrote:I
As we've often discussed, the DRDO/ CVRDE should've developed our own 3 crewed MBT to T-72
Karan M wrote:Who says its 100 pounds? Around half that.Arun.prabhu wrote:This is necroed, so apologies in advance. There isn't any spaced armor that is effective against a hundred pounds of plastic explosive slapped against the armour and detonated. Certainly, if not spalling, the shock from the explosion will kill or seriously wound the crew.
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/am ... /lc/22.htm
Second, most tanks now have ERA tiles mounted at a distance from the main armor. The HESH round will likely strip away the ERA and the actual explosive effect won;t get through the main armor
Arun.prabhu wrote:But I’m not talking HESH on tank guns. HESH on 155mm short range guns mounted on tracked or wheeled vehicles.
Neither ARMOR PIERCERS or HEAT will work well against ERA armor either. Should we discard those?
Karan M wrote:
Who says its 100 pounds? Around half that.
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/am ... /lc/22.htm
Second, most tanks now have ERA tiles mounted at a distance from the main armor. The HESH round will likely strip away the ERA and the actual explosive effect won;t get through the main armor
The discussion you jumped into was about HESH on tank guns. 155mm guns are not in IA service as tank killers nor are there plans to make them fulfill that role.Arun.prabhu wrote:But I’m not talking HESH on tank guns. HESH on 155mm short range guns mounted on tracked or wheeled vehicles.
Errr.. KE rounds are tested for use with ERA protected targets considered, and most Gen1/Gen2 ERA packages (as versus advanced ones like Relikt) cannot stop advanced KE rounds, bar introducing a yaw which degrades but cannot entirely stop effectiveness. HEAT remains viable against ERA armor FYI, as tandem HEAT rounds are in fact the IA's primary tank killing weapon in the form of the INVAR, and specifically procured for use against heavy armor (Pak/PRC tanks with heavy composite and ERA package). As India again picks up on FSAPDS development, which had been foolishly stopped and has now been restarted, the need for INVAR type expensive rounds will reduce and we may well revert to FSAPDS. Most western armies continue to rely on advanced FSAPDS to deal with ERA equipped targets.Neither ARMOR PIERCERS or HEAT will work well against ERA armor either. Should we discard those?
Karan M wrote:
Who says its 100 pounds? Around half that.
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/am ... /lc/22.htm
Second, most tanks now have ERA tiles mounted at a distance from the main armor. The HESH round will likely strip away the ERA and the actual explosive effect won;t get through the main armor