Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Manish Jain · Post by **Manish Jain** » 02 Mar 2019 18:16

Not sure if this is the right thread or the official Pak thread in other forum is the place for this news.

Sindh CM Urges Federal Govt To Call CCI Meeting Over Gas Crisis
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/pakistan/s ... 62607.html

PM says hike in hajj prices due to ‘pending loans’
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/0 ... ht-future/

Gas supply to Islamabad, Punjab CNG stations suspended for an indefinite period
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/02/gas-s ... te-period/

OGRA allows upward revision of gas prices
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1921042/2- ... -cylinder/

Credit - https://twitter.com/_NAN_DINI

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Mar 2019 18:19

All the wellknown *verified* presstitute libturds are now in agreement ...

The last video of our pilot has to quote one ""ruined its own “gesture” by forcing a POW to say things so obviously under duress."" Furious back peddling on the "No ball" nomination.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Mar 2019 18:24

Chinese and gulf countries have resumed to TSP, but in limited numbers.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Mar 2019 18:26

Manish Jain wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread or the official Pak thread in other forum is the place for this news.

Sindh CM Urges Federal Govt To Call CCI Meeting Over Gas Crisis
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/pakistan/s ... 62607.html

PM says hike in hajj prices due to ‘pending loans’
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/0 ... ht-future/

Gas supply to Islamabad, Punjab CNG stations suspended for an indefinite period
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/02/gas-s ... te-period/

OGRA allows upward revision of gas prices
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1921042/2- ... -cylinder/

Credit - https://twitter.com/_NAN_DINI

No. It goes in the Pak Economic Stress Watch thread.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 02 Mar 2019 18:28

Singha wrote:I request the mods to give a 2 year ban to anyone who posts "open src gora intel analyst" fishing expeditions here. these nobodies can play pocket billiards in their own talk circuits.

anyone who does not have confidence in the govt can surely find other forums.

BRF is not a cure for congenital lack of confidence

Hear hear!!

If one doesn't have anything post, lurking is an option. At least, that's what I do when I have nothing to add.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 18:31

komal wrote:
anishns wrote:While scavenging phoren media about general perception on balakot episode, I am afraid friends we have lost the propaganda battle. Most rags I.e. usual suspects have picked up the paki line of the narrative. We are the warmongers apparently
I was around back in 1971. NYT/WaPo/CBS all declared the war a tactical win for India but a actually a huge strategic loss -- that Pakistan was a the big winner.

Points that are I still remember

1) Bhutto was outstanding at the UN and ran circles around Sardar Swaran Singh

2) India would become a Soviet colony and that Russians would set up a large naval base at Vizag

3) Shorn of the SDRE in Bangaldesh the Martial Race of West Pakistan would become an economic and military powerhouse while India stagnated economically and militarily

4) The Bangladesh model would also incite the southern states of TamilNadu and Kerala to seek independence

Mrs. Gandhi apparently corresponded on a regular basis with NYT columnist William Safire. He wrote that, when he was in New Delhi, she asked him something like "is there nothing that we can do to please you?"

Also, she cared little about winning the propaganda battle in the US press. The Pak Ambassador Agha Hilaly would routinely go on radio and TV shows in Washington DC and compare India to Nazi Germany. Mrs. G didn't even bother having anyone in an official capacity respond.

Komal Sir, this is absolute gold and puts in perspective some of the rona-dhona (including by me) about the lack of media/perception management by our side. India the civilization will march on relentlessly regardless of what is trending on twitter.

Thanks for sharing and it would be lovely if you could share more such perspectives from decades past.

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 02 Mar 2019 18:37

Singha wrote:Outed. Pak is desperately short of jet fuel.............

@Singha Sir, (sorry for tagging in OT post.) & other Gurus at BRF

Can we prepare a well drafted signature campaign in desh as well as Bdesh highlighting Paki use of US arms systems against it's contractual EULA.
This must comprehensive and factual covering all facts of US arms sell EULA and evidence (wreckage of AAMRAM Missile shell) we got at Kashmir.

Through our friends and family in states we can create a big noise out there and if with little bit of extra efforts and luck we can rope in few pro India senators or lobby groups this can lead to big tangible gain on ground & act another brake in future US arm "sell" or "Gift" to pakis.

Even if we don't get much traction still it will create H&D loss for Pakis in media and may spread awareness among US taxpayers that their money and technology given in the name of "war against terror" is being used by Terroristan against India.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Mar 2019 19:05

Just remind Americans that Pakistan claimed for years not to know about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar; and if they choose to believe such folks, it is their funeral.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 02 Mar 2019 19:18

In fact Musharraf was asked in the White House during his visit with Bush and he said bin laden is not in Pakistan. There is a video of it somewhere

srin · Post by **srin** » 02 Mar 2019 19:19

The Na-Pakis have out-Paki'd themselves.
By using an AMRAAM and leaving a trail of evidence, they've essentially neutralized any US pressure on our leadership. They can't even claim self-defence. And if US claims that it wasn't the F-16, then it'll have to answer how they let AMRAAM be integrated with JF17. The US has a lot to answer for, so I don't think they'll keep calling us to "maintain peace" etc.
Chinese are also out of the game - very easy for us to claim that if only the chinese had banned Masood Azhar this wouldn't have happened. Now, I don't care about sanctioning or banning this guy, just that he get 72'd. Oh and not just the Chinese, it is the entire P5. We can always claim that we are resolving this ourselves because they were ineffective.

Talk about own goals. They have just neutralized their usual sugar daddies. KSA is trying to fill in the vaccuum, but it doesn't have any hold on us. Fun stuff.

That's why I think the timing is right for us to do something more. It isn't often that our leadership has been relatively free to act. No fly zone over PoK, and a buffer zone across the LoC - would be a good place to start.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 02 Mar 2019 19:25

DELETE...Wrong assessment...

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 19:31

Iyersan wrote:De escalation in progress

What do you mean? Please elaborate.

Just posting one-liners with no detail or context doesn't add any value.

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 02 Mar 2019 19:33

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 19:37

^Is the title on that video intentionally worded in that way to sow confusion or are they really that dumb?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Mar 2019 19:44

habal wrote:
Singha wrote:Outed. Pak is desperately short of jet fuel hence the prolonged civil aviation shutdown

https://www.opindia.com/2019/03/pakista ... ergy-fuel/

If we escalate they are done unless bandars can fire aams from the ground . Prolonged naval patrols will also be tough once we put ungli into their tender bottom
their domestic flights and PIA international flights from pakistan are moving as per schedule today. No overflights by international carriers.

A few are creeping along in west
But lahore reads all cancelled
http://www.lahoreairport.com.pk/Schedule.aspx

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Mar 2019 19:45

There is nothing flying along indus valley main airline to hyderabad and krachi

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 02 Mar 2019 19:46

Bart S wrote:^Is the title on that video intentionally worded in that way to sow confusion or are they really that dumb?

There is a reason BRF coined the term Desi Dork Media.

Prakash2 · Post by **Prakash2** » 02 Mar 2019 19:47

Radar imagery shows four buildings hit at Jaish madrassa in Balakote:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

Eyewitnesses say IAF strike killed dozens of terrorists in Balakote:
https://www.firstpost.com/india/eyewitn ... 82671.html

Schmidt · Post by **Schmidt** » 02 Mar 2019 19:56

Maybe it's time to adopt a 5-7 year medium term approach on defense spending keeping in mind certain contingencies, and also increase the defense budget as percentage of gdp to atleast 3.5 % from the present 2.5% , a jump of 40%

Ensure the increase goes fully towards capital equipment purchase and not just salaries and pensions

We can always tamp down the spending after 3-4 years

We can't keep looking at a yearly timeframe when deciding on defense anymore

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 02 Mar 2019 19:57

The USA announced $1m reward for Bin Laden's son. Is that because the US has knowledge that he is in naPak too? Out of thread, but the timing seems very interesting.

khan · Post by **khan** » 02 Mar 2019 20:03

habal wrote:
Singha wrote:Outed. Pak is desperately short of jet fuel hence the prolonged civil aviation shutdown

https://www.opindia.com/2019/03/pakista ... ergy-fuel/

If we escalate they are done unless bandars can fire aams from the ground . Prolonged naval patrols will also be tough once we put ungli into their tender bottom
their domestic flights and PIA international flights from pakistan are moving as per schedule today. No overflights by international carriers.

The journalist says:

Considering the circumstances of the stand-off between the two states, which is merely an out-in-the-open acknowledgement of the strain that has been felt quite tangible for many months now, it does not make sense why Pakistan would want to shut down its entire airspace to commercial aircraft? Even if we assume that India is in the mood to hammer Pakistan, why did Pakistan not shut just its Eastern airspace?

That is exact what they did, they shut down their eastern airspace.

So, they are still worried about India, but the jet fuel situation that the author spent hours writing the article about - might not be as bad as the author claims.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Mar 2019 20:04

Prakash2 wrote:Radar imagery shows four buildings hit at Jaish madrassa in Balakote:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

A second official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that the IAF was keen on crossing the LoC to bomb the target but it was decided that it should only fire the PGM “from Indian side of LoC”.

The S-2000 PGM used by IAF for the strike can be fired from a standoff distance of up to around 100 km, the official said.

The Indian Express has learnt that contrary to Pak claims, no IAF aircraft crossed the LoC and as per radar data reviewed by the IAF, the closest Pakistani aircraft was at a distance of about 120 km.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 20:09

A_Gupta wrote:
Prakash2 wrote:Radar imagery shows four buildings hit at Jaish madrassa in Balakote:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

A second official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that the IAF was keen on crossing the LoC to bomb the target but it was decided that it should only fire the PGM “from Indian side of LoC”.

The S-2000 PGM used by IAF for the strike can be fired from a standoff distance of up to around 100 km, the official said.

The Indian Express has learnt that contrary to Pak claims, no IAF aircraft crossed the LoC and as per radar data reviewed by the IAF, the closest Pakistani aircraft was at a distance of about 120 km.

This nonsense has been debunked before. 100 km is the brochure range and the actual conditions determine the actual effective range which is much less.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 02 Mar 2019 20:09

pankajs wrote: These farts are written to unsettle folks like you and me who look up to the goras for the *truth*. There was one famous Indian handle who wrote on twitter as much ... some thing to the effect "I don't rely on the Indian or the Baki accounts .. Give me some dope BBC/CNN"

IMO it was Nikhil wagle who still posts here afaik

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 20:10

Claim that Imran was directly involved in the humiliation and video taking of Wing Cmdr Abhinandan

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Mar 2019 20:13

Singha wrote:Outed. Pak is desperately short of jet fuel hence the prolonged civil aviation shutdown

https://www.opindia.com/2019/03/pakista ... ergy-fuel/

If we escalate they are done unless bandars can fire aams from the ground . Prolonged naval patrols will also be tough once we put ungli into their tender bottom

The most recent article that I can find is this from Nov 30, 2018
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/mark ... oil-stocks
Pakistan is not using the fuel oil produced by its own refineries, and as the stock of that builds up, oil refineries have to slow down or stop refining, and that hits the production of jet fuel.

"A refinery shutdown would have serious ramifications", said Parco. It would break the product supply chain, resulting in a serious shortage of motor gasoline, supply cuts of JP-1 and JP-8 to airports and disruptions in local crude oil waste disposal, the refiner's letter said.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Mar 2019 20:26

A_Gupta wrote:
Prakash2 wrote:Radar imagery shows four buildings hit at Jaish madrassa in Balakote:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... l-5607623/

A second official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that the IAF was keen on crossing the LoC to bomb the target but it was decided that it should only fire the PGM “from Indian side of LoC”.

The S-2000 PGM used by IAF for the strike can be fired from a standoff distance of up to around 100 km, the official said.

The Indian Express has learnt that contrary to Pak claims, no IAF aircraft crossed the LoC and as per radar data reviewed by the IAF, the closest Pakistani aircraft was at a distance of about 120 km.

Looks like Misinformation ... 2 obvious fakery.

Every one, their father and their fathers father agrees that IAF CROSSED the LOC.

I hate these so called *sources* .. all of them faking. BUT why?

IF you don't know keep quite or is the paper deliberately *manufacturing* sources to crate fake points that can easily be rebutted and the whole strike credibility destroyed? This is very frustrating. Lob a full toss that can be hit for six and seal the match on that one hit.

khan · Post by **khan** » 02 Mar 2019 20:32

Bart S wrote:

Claim that Imran was directly involved in the humiliation and video taking of Wing Cmdr Abhinandan

The Fuji’s are happy to let Imran Khan own this because they know this is not end well.

They are happy to see him give pompous speeches in Parliament and own all the bil decisions, while they slink away in the background.

After it’s all over, they will feed Immi Khan to the wolves. Infact this has already started.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Mar 2019 20:33

Klaus wrote:
pankajs wrote: These farts are written to unsettle folks like you and me who look up to the goras for the *truth*. There was one famous Indian handle who wrote on twitter as much ... some thing to the effect "I don't rely on the Indian or the Baki accounts .. Give me some dope BBC/CNN"
IMO it was Nikhil wagle who still posts here afaik

Yes .. it was Wagle. Now that you mentioned his name it flashed back. I had forgotten the person.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 02 Mar 2019 20:36

khan wrote: They are happy to see him give pompous speeches in Parliament and own all the bil decisions, while they slink away in the background.

After it’s all over, they will feed Immi Khan to the wolves. Infact this has already started.

Yes, he (and Sharif before him till he went 'rogue') is their Pak Civilian Politics version of JeM and LeT i.e disposable chaff. Of course this would be entertaining to watch as there are are a legion of aptly name 'youthia' who would have cognitive dissonance once they discard him like a used condom.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Mar 2019 20:38

Why are they short of gas I wonder. Just put bags around their brains (located u no where)... If that is not enough do the same on "Indian" media "experts".

Note the new Indian Express claim that 6 weapons with MAXIMUM 60 km range were used by IAF from inside LOC, on a target that is at least 65 km beyond LOC.... on a cloudy night with bad winter weather in the area..

With absolute confidence.

And all 6 hit with pin-point accuracy, leaving at least 35 whole bodies and tens of thousands of tiny parts mixed with concrete and brick rubble and goat-droppings.

Now think of the implications of THAT claim for the future prospects of terrorist PA/PAF within 65 km of the LOC...

and BTW, PAF planes were reported in non-stop TAP over Abbotabad with frequent landings to change their pants & undies, all night until daybreak and beyond. Abbotabad is not 120 kms from Balakot.

So what do these Indian Express "Editors" use in lieu of brains? If IE really made that report PLEASE post full quote with url and editors' authors' names on the Pro-Terrorist Authors thread, thx. This is truly archival idiocy.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 02 Mar 2019 20:39

No more diwali @ loc?
What about snakes?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Mar 2019 20:40

i find it hard to imagine that imran would be able to orchestrate such a video - this is some genius in the ISI burning with the fervour of jeehad and striking a stout blow against the tottering banias

meanwhile 1: sputnik, tass and RT are echoing the narrative that has evolved on this dhaaga overnight regarding F16's, lynching and more...

meanwhile 2: the rajnikant parallels with the wingco have started doing the rounds

Ganesh_S · Post by **Ganesh_S** » 02 Mar 2019 20:41

It's high time we start shelling the villages which
handed wingco to the paki army. Dont know why are we not doing it yet. Make their life so miserable that next time they see a chute landing they should start fleeing the spot.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Mar 2019 20:44

^^

War is not a game. People dies and on BOTH sides. The people who have the responsibility have to take all things into consideration at each step when escalating.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Mar 2019 20:47

pankajs wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:
Looks like Misinformation ... 2 obvious fakery.

Every one, their father and their fathers father agrees that IAF CROSSED the LOC.

I hate these so called *sources* .. all of them faking. BUT why?

IF you don't know keep quite or is the paper deliberately *manufacturing* sources to crate fake points that can easily be rebutted and the whole strike credibility destroyed? This is very frustrating. Lob a full toss that can be hit for six and seal the match on that one hit.

I think you've missed the important point. The use of Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) to confirm the strike. RISAT-2 was launched in 2009 by a PSLV and the operator is the IAF. It was in direct response to the Mumbai attack in Nov. 2008. Data from the RISAT-2 will never be released to the public, but that's all we need to know.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Mar 2019 20:48

Raveen wrote:No more diwali @ loc?
What about snakes?

No. It is effectively over. Samjhauta Express resumes tomorrow on Sunday March 3rd.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 231815.cms

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 02 Mar 2019 20:53

Quick question to the learned gents here.

Is it not possible to locate F16 wreckage or any other downed paki jet using satellite?

khan · Post by **khan** » 02 Mar 2019 20:55

Mort Walker wrote:
Raveen wrote:No more diwali @ loc?
What about snakes?
No. It is effectively over. Samjhauta Express resumes tomorrow on Sunday March 3rd.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 231815.cms

It doesn’t necessarily have to be over. Looks like the Bakis cancelled it and the Bakis took the initiative in restoring service.

Just like the return of the wing commander, this could be another attempt to force peace.

I hope Prme Minister Modi sticks to his guns and makes it clear that this isn’t enough. Indian military objectives have not been met.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Mar 2019 20:55

rkhanna wrote: Its the other side of the coin of Asymetrical Warfare.

To add my 2 paise to that: I DID make the mistake of acquiring a copy of the Chuck Yeager self-inflation.
He was an Advisor to the PAF during 1971, and IOW took credit for training a bunch of the bandars. So he spends a page describing how the PAF won the air war hands down, with "dozens" (IIRC) of Indian pilots taken POW. He was taken to see them, and all had read about him (and it was a new experience to find AF pilots who could actually read, including those where he came from..) so his ego was mightily pumped by that.
But he concludes in a rare moment of honesty:

But the ground war and what happened in the East were another story entirely..

WTH was Yeager's big achievement? He was strapped into a Bell B-1 (or whatever) and had to sit in it while it was taken up in a B-52 and dropped, then he hit the "Start rocket" button and was slammed back in his seat as it accelerated past Mach 1. Then he landed. Engineers did all the thinking and design, technicians built the plane, maintenance techs carefully loaded the rocket, B-52 crew operated the critical controls, and cleaners cleaned out the smelly stuff from the seat and cockpit after his return.

As UBCN has explained b4, monkeys can and have been trained to do much more: a chimp was first American in Space and First American to exceed Mach 12, let alone Mach 20 and return to safe landing, if you didn't know that. Returned to a banana treat at KSC with no fuss at all. And note that even Pakis can be trained to take off in an F-16, turn 180 degrees on HEARING OF IAF planes (why else BVR?) and race back to base.
And just in case anyone doubts this: the historic video of the First American In Space is a must-watch

Ham seems totally unperturbed, carrying out the tasks assigned to him

The smile at the end is absolutely priceless. Show me a Paki that would smile after 12 hours strapped into a seat in a Mach 12 vehicle.