India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 31 Aug 2020 12:41

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#BREAKING : Civilian traffic has been stopped on the Srinagar Leh-Highway after fresh deadly clashesh between our and Chinese troops in eastern Ladakh in which PLA suffred multiple casualties.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 31 Aug 2020 12:45

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 31 Aug 2020 12:46

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.asp ... o.whatsapp

Ministry of Defence
SITUATION UPDATE: EASTERN LADAKH
Posted On: 31 AUG 2020 10:35AM by PIB Delhi
On the Night of 29/30 August 2020, PLA troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo. Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the Southern Bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground. The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquility through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity. A Brigade Commander level Flag Meeting is in progress at Chushul to resolve the issues.

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asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 31 Aug 2020 12:47

The bat-eaters are hell bent on creating uncertainty and clashes all over ladakh.

Good that Army is pre-emptively moving across the disturbed locations and stopping these commie sh!theads.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 31 Aug 2020 12:55

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 31 Aug 2020 12:57

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Just spoken with a friend. Indian army has given a bloody nose to China in Eastern Ladakh.Chinese misadventure has yet again b thwart. It is more painful for the Chinese than Galwan clashes. Salute to the warriors of Indian Army.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Aug 2020 12:57

That photo has 100+ graves

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 13:01

Action on the southern bank of Pangang Tso ...

Per TOIlet, India "preempted" Chinese design ... meaning India crossed over into some undefined grey zone and has occupied it.

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 31 Aug 2020 13:07

So finally it starts... both sides have hardened their positions and little scope of backing down.

If the pictures of gravestone are real, Xi has to respond otherwise he will be seen as weak but timing of leaks and clashes are not co-incident.

Jai Hind!!

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 31 Aug 2020 13:15

Location.

@IndoPac_Info
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3) Now I have the precise coordinates for the burial location from @desihaddock

Pishan County, Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang

https://google.com/maps/place/36°12'20. ... 7625?hl=en

Few more pictures, probably shared on Chinese SM.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 31 Aug 2020 13:28

Fake news?

@aEsjfGGe9iNbG0K
Kangxiwa cemetery in Xinjiang. In memory of the 106 martyrs in the 1962 #IndoChinesewar. Pray the peace between #China and #India.
#GalwanValley

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 13:30

Looks like PLA didn't inform the boys in Bejing to kick off a PR campaign and get the news out first. We got it out first.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Aug 2020 13:31

As part of their ingrained habit of planning far ahead, they have left space for more. IA surely won't disappoint them.

John · Post by **John** » 31 Aug 2020 13:33

Those tombs look to be old definitely not from recent clashes

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 31 Aug 2020 14:11

That may be the case but
1. At least one tomb is new and markings have been translated showing that this is most likely from Galwan/Pangong
2. In this day and age and with the resources at China's disposal, one would expect remains to be sent back to families; i.e. no border battlefield tombs unless casualty had no family or couldn't be traced

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 31 Aug 2020 14:14

Preemptive is the key word. Entire Siachin operation is a preemptive operation. No need to hurry, i think there was a similar news about areas near Sikkim last week. So, We are going to up the ante and do some more preemptive deeds and still play the VICTIM card.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300344137296654336
"So far, there has been no physical clash between Indian and Chinese troops near the southern bank of Pangong Tso in Eastern Ladakh: Indian Army Sources"

May be not near Pangong lake, somewhere else? Who are this sources?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 31 Aug 2020 14:24

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindi ... r-BB18wowf
'Eye on J&K': Pakistan buys China's Jilin-1 satellite data
New Delhi, Aug 30 (IANS) Pakistan has purchased from China real time satellite data, comprising high definition video, optical and hyper spectral imagery, that also can provide it the precise position of Indian Army camps across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.
Intelligence sources said that Pakistan has entered into a contract with China to procure Jilin-1 satellite data for 2020.
The Jilin constellation comprises a network of ten satellites in orbit with capability of global coverage and it can revisit any location twice a day. "Resolution of panchromatic image provisioned by Jilin-1 is 0.72 m and multi-spectral image is 2.88 m," a source said.
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Gautam
What is all this? Why Pak has to pay? Why not supply it free to underwear friend?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Aug 2020 14:46

Its psyops by the Chini-pak Alliance.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 31 Aug 2020 14:50

Pre-emptive
No Physical Clash
Reports of PLAGF POWs with IA
Brigade Cmds meeting.

Looks like pre-emption was to take over a PLA position and get POWs.

Arima · Post by **Arima** » 31 Aug 2020 14:56

Approx 25-30 PLA POWs in our custody now. Misadventure costing dearly?

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrontalAssau ... 4999662593

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 15:06

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I was holding off tweeting or writing about the ground situation along the LAC, but you folks should know that sources have actually been talking about problematic Chinese moves on the ground for over a week now. And it might not just be along the Southern bank of the Pangong.

srin · Post by **srin** » 31 Aug 2020 15:23

Hang on folks - the issues so far has been the southern part of finger areas on the *northern* bank of Pangong, no ?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 31 Aug 2020 15:23

amar_p wrote:As part of their ingrained habit of planning far ahead, they have left space for more. IA surely won't disappoint them.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 31 Aug 2020 15:24

srin wrote:Hang on folks - the issues so far has been the southern part of finger areas on the *northern* bank of Pangong, no ?

Correct. The current press release clearly says southern banks of the lake itself, so opposite to the Fingers area.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 15:43

Chinese Air Force redeployed J-20 fighters near LAC days before fresh intrusion bid

“The J-20 fighter jets have been operating close to the Indian territory in the last few days and the move was taken by the Chinese Air Force just few days before their Army attempted to do incursions into newer areas in Ladakh,” top government sources told India Today on Monday.

As per sources, fighter aircraft are still carrying out extensive flying near the LAC.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 15:44

https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/13 ... 1423307776

d-atis
@detresfa_

Suspected PLA heliport infrastructure spotted part of an ongoing investigation near the #Doklam region of the #India #China #Bhutan tri junction, this support unit could sustain all weather & rapid troop deployments in the sector along with improving surveillance operations

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 31 Aug 2020 16:23

^^ Isn't this the same guy who came up with the breathless coverage of "PLA built a helipad at the Galwan triangle area overnight" that turned out to be ours?

Looks like a lot of preconceived notions that these folks held about IA are going to go up in smoke...

Lt Gen Anbu, ex-VCAS, had categorically stated that any Chinese military move through this area would be foolhardy as we surround them from the heights on all 3 sides. In fact, he said we should be concerned if the Chinese pull back their troops from this sector, as that would signal that they are going to start some offensive action.

srin · Post by **srin** » 31 Aug 2020 16:27

arshyam wrote:
srin wrote:Hang on folks - the issues so far has been the southern part of finger areas on the *northern* bank of Pangong, no ?
Correct. The current press release clearly says southern banks of the lake itself, so opposite to the Fingers area.

That would make it somewhat east of Chushul.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 16:31

arshyam wrote:^^ Isn't this the same guy who came up with the breathless coverage of "PLA built a helipad at the Galwan triangle area overnight" that turned out to be ours? Looks like a lot of preconceived notions that these folks held about IA are going to go up in smoke...

Lt Gen Anbu, ex-VCAS, had categorically stated that any Chinese military move through this area would be foolhardy as we surround them from the heights on all 3 sides. In fact, he said we should be concerned if the Chinese pull back their troops from this sector, as that would signal that they are going to start some offensive action.

I recall that interview ...

One does not need to be a military adept to understand that an elevated tabletop/plateau without any cover is very vulnerable to Arty fire and air dropped munitions.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 31 Aug 2020 17:01

I was alerted by Zee news in TV, it said that the Chinese had used tanks? Kind of strange area for tanks, perhaps I misheard.
https://www.rediff.com/news/report/indi ... 200831.htm
China tries to cross LAC in Ladakh again, India pushes back
Source: PTI - August 31, 2020
In a fresh incident in eastern Ladakh, the Chinese People's Liberation Army carried out "provocative military movements" to "unilaterally" change the status quo on the southern bank of Pangong Tso lake but the attempt was thwarted by the Indian troops, the army said on Monday.
Army spokesperson Col Aman Anand said troops from China's People's Liberation Army "violated" the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements on the ongoing standoff in eastern Ladakh, and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo on the night of August 29/30.
A brigade commander level flag meeting is currently in progress at Chushul to resolve the issues, he said.
"On the night of 29/30 August 2020, PLA troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo," Col Anand said in a statement.
"Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the Southern Bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground," the army spokesperson said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ear-border
India accuses China of 'provocative military movements' near border
Two countries locked in standoff along southern bank of Pangong Lake in Ladakh
Hannah Ellis-Petersen South Asia correspondent, Mon 31 Aug 2020
India has accused China of “provocative military movements” along their disputed border in Ladakh, escalating tensions between the two sides who have been locked in a months-long standoff.
A statement by India’s defence ministry said China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) had “carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo” on the southern bank of Pangong Lake in Ladakh.
India accused China of moving large numbers of troops into disputed territory over the weekend, which “violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements”.
India claimed to have thwarted the Chinese aggression and said it “undertook measures to strengthen our positions”.
“The Indian army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquility through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” said the statement.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 15700.html
India accuses China of 'provocative' military movements at border
India says it has foiled Chinese attempt to change the status quo on their disputed border but China denies the claim.
China has carried out "provocative military movements" in the disputed Himalayan border area between the two countries overnight from Saturday to Sunday, according to an Indian army statement, in a fresh flare-up between the two nuclear-armed countries.
Indian troops pre-empted Chinese army's activity on the Pangong Tso Lake in Ladakh, part of which was transgressed by the Chinese soldiers in May, the statement said on Monday, adding that Indian troops took steps to thwart the Chinese attempt to "unilaterally change" facts on the ground.
"On the Night of 29/30 August 2020, PLA [People's Liberation Army] troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo," the Indian army said in a statement.
"Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground," it said.
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https://zeenews.india.com/india/india-g ... 06527.html
INDIA CHINA BORDER DISPUTE
India gives befitting reply to Chinese incursion in Ladakh, talks underway to defuse tension
A brigade commander-level flag meeting is currently in progress at Chushul to resolve the issues, said Army Spokesperson Col Aman Anand.
Zee Media Bureau, Aug 31, 2020
NEW DELHI: In a fresh incident in eastern Ladakh, the Chinese PLA carried out provocative military movements to unilaterally change the status quo on the southern bank of Pangong Tso lake. However, the attempt was thwarted by the Indian troops, the Army said on Monday (August 31).
Meanwhile, a brigade commander-level flag meeting is currently in progress at Chushul to resolve the issues, Army Spokesperson Col Aman Anand told PTI.
The Army spokesperson said troops from China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements on the ongoing standoff in eastern Ladakh, and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo on the night of August 29-30.
"On the night of 29/30 August 2020, PLA troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo," Col Anand said in a statement.
"Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the Southern Bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground," the Army spokesperson said.
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Gautam

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 31 Aug 2020 17:44

Two older articles that may be relevant:
https://www.newslaundry.com/2020/05/28/ ... to-prepare
A Chinese attack is on the cards, and India needs to prepare
China could leverage border disputes the way Pakistan uses terror. Their common objective: to take over territory and water in J&K and Ladakh.
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https://theprint.in/opinion/india-has-t ... em/466239/
India has two options with stubborn China. The better one involves taking the battle to them
Like in an India-Pakistan conflict, the China-India battle too will be fought with a nuclear backdrop, and ironically, India will resort to nuclear brinkmanship.
LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD)
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Gautam

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 31 Aug 2020 18:01

Btw a thought came to me. What if PLA didn't actually do anything but we went and captured the territory occupied by them and declared that we preempted an attempt to occupy territory by PLA. Maybe this is the military option that CDS talked about? Let's see how this turns out.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 18:20

pankajs wrote:
arshyam wrote:^^ Isn't this the same guy who came up with the breathless coverage of "PLA built a helipad at the Galwan triangle area overnight" that turned out to be ours? Looks like a lot of preconceived notions that these folks held about IA are going to go up in smoke...

Lt Gen Anbu, ex-VCAS, had categorically stated that any Chinese military move through this area would be foolhardy as we surround them from the heights on all 3 sides. In fact, he said we should be concerned if the Chinese pull back their troops from this sector, as that would signal that they are going to start some offensive action.
I recall that interview ...

One does not need to be a military adept to understand that an elevated tabletop/plateau without any cover is very vulnerable to Arty fire and air dropped munitions.

After the Doklam standoff in 2017, this area has been highly militarised (probably the next to only/equal to Tawang) w.r.t roads, bunkers, trenches etc. I have counted ~ 14 face off points where both sides have roads, all in a front of ~70km (doklam to the mountain ranges in the north), basically there is an east-west road every 5km (mostly less). Both sides are very well prepared, unless one side leaves some section unmanned (in spite of existing infrastructure) it will be hard to surprise the other side.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 31 Aug 2020 18:23

Faced with a showdown in the ICS with the USN ignoring the provocative missile firings, calling The PRC and XI's bluff, he either has to lose face against the US and a Trump heading towards the November election and itching to show US voters that America's military is great again, against the PRC,than score a
" victory" against a weaker India and try and avoid a clash with the US in the ICS. If the Himalayalas hots up,it will divert attention
from the USN showing the flag in the ICS and cocking-a-snoop at XI.

XI however is making a monumental strategic mistake.Already 99% of Indians are anti-PRC and have started looking at other options in industry and retail. Furthermore, the GOI has every right to recognise the real China,Taiwan,which is democratic and straightforward, unlike the duplicitous scum of the PRC. XI's recent statement about erecting a "wall" in Tibet to preserve its Sinisation, shows his insecurity about holding onto Tibet. It is past time for India to plan with like- minded democracies the roadmsp for the ultimate liberation of Tibet. A huge defeat for the PLAN in the maritime sphere in the ICS or IOR would have devastating effect on the morale of its troops in occupied Tibet and Xinjiang where the Uighars are being incarcerated in neo-Nazi style concentration camps.

It is not a matter of whether or not a serious military clash with the PRC will take place, but when.We on BRF a few years ago predicted such a situation as PM Modi further cemented his position as a strong decisive leader of India, ready to claim its rightful place in world affairs.This was v.bad news for the PRC which enjoyed its border creep across tha LAC silently while the UPA fiddled and feasted. Xi's window of opportunity is shutting down fast and the CDS' latest statrments about the military option is preparing the nation for a war that is being thrust upon us. The nation is mentally prepared for the worst and is uniting behind the PM in this hour of crisis.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 18:27

abhik wrote:
pankajs wrote:I recall that interview ...

One does not need to be a military adept to understand that an elevated tabletop/plateau without any cover is very vulnerable to Arty fire and air dropped munitions.
After the Doklam standoff in 2017, this area has been highly militarised (probably the next to only/equal to Tawang) w.r.t roads, bunkers, trenches etc. I have counted ~ 14 face off points where both sides have roads, all in a front of ~70km (doklam to the mountain ranges in the north), basically there is an east-west road every 5km (mostly less). Both sides are very well prepared, unless one side leaves some section unmanned (in spite of existing infrastructure) it will be hard to surprise the other side.

The point is that ANY buildup on the plateau is highly vulnerable to arty fire with a clear line-0f-sight from many sides to blow any overground structure s/roads/infra to smithereens while just off the plateau on BOTH sides have terrain that shields their positions from many sides. Our Dokla position too is similarly exposed but from 1 sides.

Any buildup on the Doklam plateau is untenable in an actual war scenario.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 31 Aug 2020 18:38

Rumor about possible arms usage- in Twitter.
for now, its just rumor, so not quoting.

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 18:48

A news report on SCMP about Xi doing a meet on Tibet on Saturday & Sunday, for the first time in 5 years. The new attempt may not be a local affair..

Edit:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politic ... r-security

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 31 Aug 2020 18:57

News coming in that at 15:00 HRS at LAC All arm fire initiated

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 19:02

We have to wait for better source. It has come only from one twitter account..

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 31 Aug 2020 19:04

nam wrote:We have to wait for better source. It has come only from one twitter account..

He can be arrested if false. If true, then we are at War gentlemen!
Media should catch up in some time