India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 31 Aug 2020 19:12

Getting news its LMG, MMG and HMG firing at LAC

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 19:13

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/13 ... 1439098881

CHINA URGES INDIA TO WITHDRAW 'ILLEGAL' OCCUPATION FORCE: XINHUA

Jokers probably tried to do another salami, got caught. Now asking us to go back.

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 19:16

Reporters including Nitin G, praising SFF. Looks like the SFF boys surprised the Chinis..

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 31 Aug 2020 19:17

We did a counter intrusion

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 31 Aug 2020 19:25

Manu Pubby, Man Aman Chinna also praising SFF.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 31 Aug 2020 19:26

nam wrote:https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/13 ... 1439098881

CHINA URGES INDIA TO WITHDRAW 'ILLEGAL' OCCUPATION FORCE: XINHUA

Jokers probably tried to do another salami, got caught. Now asking us to go back.

Yep, even this one is not directly quoting either Chinese/Indian official Source.

If china reacts, that the best confirmation we could have for now. We seems to have got a bargaining chip.
We are never going to accept this. Because accepting this will make the entire action illegal.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 31 Aug 2020 19:28

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status ... 2082875394

CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
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China state-affiliated media
#BREAKING #China says the Indian army illegally crossed the Line of Actual Control on Monday, a provocative move that violated the previous consensus and urges the #Indian side to withdraw its forces, said Senior Colonel Zhang Shuili, spokesman for the PLA Western Theater Command

#China strongly opposes #India's provocative move, the Chinese army is preparing for any possible situations, and will closely watch the situation to safeguard Chinese territory and maintain the border situation, said Colonel Zhang.

Hari Nair · Post by **Hari Nair** » 31 Aug 2020 19:34

Good News! We appear to have seized the initiative.. The Bloody Great Hans spokes man is now asking us to withdraw!

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 19:38

There is definitely some disconnect between PLA and Beijing. For sometime that happened Saturday night/Sunday morning, the Chinis are playing victim today, after we announced the news.

Chinis complaining, we moved across Sikkim border.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 31 Aug 2020 19:41

A mini Siachin (Hoping we are not doing a Haji Phir by returning)..Capturing heights. History is in making. China reaction just confirms the bloody nose they got.

Whats next? We can expect many probings and counter takeovers by Chinese in coming days. Game is set. In the end we may be having a more defined LAC.

Govt/Army had taken a bold and necessary decision. Its now our DUTY/DHARMA to stand behind the govt/army like a rock.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 31 Aug 2020 19:48

Gobar times also confirming action on LAC

China urges India to withdraw troops illegally crossing the border line

A Chinese military spokesperson said on Monday that Indian troops have violated the consensus reached at the multi-level talks between India and China and again crossed the line of actual control (LAC) at the border on Monday and purposely launched provocations.

China strongly opposes the acts and urges India to immediately withdraw the troops that have illegally crossed the LAC, said Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Western Theater Command spokesperson Senior Colonel Zhang Shuili on Monday.

Chinese troops are taking necessary measures in response to Indian troops' provocations and will closely follow the situation and resolutely safeguard national sovereignty, peace and stability at the border area, the spokesperson said.

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pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 19:50

It is a dare ...

1. Chinese dared us to up the ante by doing a Pangang Tso maneuver.
2. Now India has does a maneuver of its own in response.

The ball in now firmly with the Chinese side. It is their move.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 19:52

Don't think India wants to do a Siachen. It just wants a return to status quo.

However, India has to be careful henceforth now that the Chinese have show their disdain for ALL agreements. When we mutually vacate the grey zones we must have an iron clad way to pre-empt the Chinese.

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 19:57

Wonder what are the jokers in the west doing. They have been rather quiet. Would carry out atleast artillery assaults and heavy infiltration. Wonder if the Paks would risk a American sanction, by joining up with the Chini openly..

nam · Post by **nam** » 31 Aug 2020 20:02

Until better confirmation, this indicates SFF has been in action..

https://twitter.com/TibetPeople/status/ ... 8731662337

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 31 Aug 2020 20:22

Quid Pro Quo is what the SFF has done on 29/30 August 2020

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Aug 2020 20:38

If SFF is involved, it gives immense satisfaction. India has dared China. Great move by us. Slowly, slowly catch'e monkey.

It lifts the fog as to why Eleven suddenly spoke about Tibet to be an impregnable fortress.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 20:50

Is there positive information on where exactly where this happened? I'm reading 2 different accounts:
1. on the south bank of Pangong So
2. Chushul/Spanggur gap - er... isn’t this the place we have been doing our chai biskoot sessions - and the PLA tried to occupy this

?
What are the "grey areas" here?

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 31 Aug 2020 20:52

abhik wrote:Is there positive information on where exactly where this happened? I'm reading 2 different accounts:
1. on the south bank of Pangong So
2. Chushul/Spanggur gap - er... isn’t this the place we have been doing our chai biskoot sessions?

Reqin area as per PLA western command. Our boys have captured land from PLA there.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 20:59

Thakur_B wrote:
abhik wrote:Is there positive information on where exactly where this happened? I'm reading 2 different accounts:
1. on the south bank of Pangong So
2. Chushul/Spanggur gap - er... isn’t this the place we have been doing our chai biskoot sessions?
Reqin area as per PLA western command. Our boys have captured land from PLA there.

Any coordinates for this, cant find it in maps, TIA.

From twitter:

shiv
@bennedose

Replying to
@bennedose
point of clash as per shiv aroor

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 31 Aug 2020 21:05

Bharat Karnad pitches in ...

China’s objective on the Pangong Tso and what the Indian army must do

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Aug 2020 21:14

If we have captured the heights on the bank opposite the Sirjap base, Sirjap would be a sitting duck, giving us a significant advantage over Pangang Tso lake as well as Spanggur lake to the south east of these heights. Since roads have been built from there east wards by the PLA already, we will be really threatening the G219 if push comes to shove.

In fact, G219 is closest from these positions on the southern banks of Pangong Tso lake, compared to another points along the LAC in Ladhak.

If this is what we have done, excellent move by the IA !

However, holding on to these heights during a conflict and through the winter will not be easy and our supply lines will be stretched. This will necessitate the use of IAF to put PLA's bases west of G219 under pressure. If G219 falls into Indian hands, the PLA troops will be stranded and a push to reclaim the rest of Aksai-Chin and Gausthan (Hotan) will be possible.

The Chinese do want us to settle the border after all

sarathy · Post by **sarathy** » 31 Aug 2020 21:18

abhik wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:
Reqin area as per PLA western command. Our boys have captured land from PLA there.
Any coordinates for this, cant find it in maps, TIA.

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33.35 N 78.43E

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 31 Aug 2020 21:20

10 threads on India in Chinese forums. They appear to be ranting and raging about how we invaded their territory.
https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=foru ... 1&mobile=2

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 31 Aug 2020 21:23

Ajai Shukla reporting that China is now occupying two high posts on Indian side of LAC

PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side

The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.

Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.

Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.
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Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the India statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.

Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.

Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.

Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).

On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.

India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
...

SidSoma · Post by **SidSoma** » 31 Aug 2020 21:24

All eyes on China. If they dont respond by force.... they will lose their reputation for a long time to come. If they do respond with force it will be a hard fought battle as both sides have been preparing for a while now. Both teams have been prepped. Trump is itching for a war anyways, but he is as unreliable as rotting wood. IA have done the right thing by seizing the initiative and changing the narrative. Bold move.... good move. No fuss.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Aug 2020 21:27

Looking at the map posted above and checking on Google maps, I'm not sure that Bharat Karnad is reading the terrain correctly.

While PLA can boat across the lake, go up the gradient and trickle down the sheer faces towards the Indian side, doing it the opposite way for the Indian side to start by climbing up the sheer faces will not be easy. Indian troops will also need to watch their backs because there is a Chinese road coming up behind them from Spanggur Tso.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 31 Aug 2020 21:37

putnanja wrote:Ajai Shukla reporting that China is now occupying two high posts on Indian side of LAC

PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side

The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.

Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.

Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.
...
...
Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the India statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.

Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.

Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.

Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).

On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.

India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
...

If Ajai Shukla is reporting this, then it must mean we've kicked some serious Chini butt - this douche doesn't report anything without a payment

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 31 Aug 2020 21:39

If that crook Shooklaw ji says one thing, I'm sure that it's the exact opposite of it. Enjoy our new territory, boys. Maybe I'll take my vacation there next time.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 31 Aug 2020 21:40

Vishnu Som and ANI reporting we have control of the heights in the area.

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 31 Aug 2020 21:56

If we are controlling black top and helmet top then some super duper 3-4 star PLA guy is going to get his a$$ hauled for selling the emperor's goat at the Lhasha flee market.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 31 Aug 2020 21:56

The print also reporting the same now.

https://theprint.in/defence/in-race-to- ... so/492941/

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 21:57

Bharadwaj wrote:Vishnu Som and ANI reporting we have control of the heights in the area.

Doesn’t mention which "heights" though, no?

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 21:58

putnanja wrote:Ajai Shukla reporting that China is now occupying two high posts on Indian side of LAC

PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side

The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.

Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.

Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.
...
...
Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the India statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.

Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.

Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.

Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).

On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.

India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
...

Locations of these places (from twitter):

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 31 Aug 2020 22:00

abhik wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:Vishnu Som and ANI reporting we have control of the heights in the area.
Doesn’t mention which "heights" though, no?

Why would you want that information in public domain? Suffice to say the col sahabs reporting looks more dodgy by the minute.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 31 Aug 2020 22:02

abhik wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:
Reqin area as per PLA western command. Our boys have captured land from PLA there.
Any coordinates for this, cant find it in maps, TIA.

From twitter:

shiv
@bennedose

Replying to
@bennedose
point of clash as per shiv aroor
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgwLAY5UcAEm_6Y?format=jpg

One more with Reqin on it

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Aug 2020 22:17

Praying for our boys.

How can we stay put there in Winter?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Aug 2020 22:27

Raveen wrote:
putnanja wrote:Ajai Shukla reporting that China is now occupying two high posts on Indian side of LAC

PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side

If Ajai Shukla is reporting this, then it must mean we've kicked some serious Chini butt - this douche doesn't report anything without a payment

It is my bet that the Chinese wanted to create post(s) on the LAC overlooking and dominating Chushul.

IA, in a reverse action, not only pushed them out but also occupied the said position overlooking the Chinese position on the other side of the ridge.

As usual, Shukla is reporting the Chinese action but hiding the Indian response to push his favored narrative.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 31 Aug 2020 22:34

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/13 ... 6426468356

Not single location.
Not single incident.
Not single unit.
Situation very tense on Pangong south bank.

williams · Post by **williams** » 31 Aug 2020 22:40

The point of clash reported by Shukla is bogus. IA already has a strong presence there. Reqin area is more plausible.

Also the map here has more acurrate alignment of the claim lines.