Thanks for this video. Really good one. The GPS as per the video isSid wrote:8 month old video, but judging by troop level and vehicle movement this was serious even back then.
Kudos. Excellent presentationrohitvats wrote:[Admins, please remove if inappropriate]
- Gentlemen, I'v finally created a YouTube channel of my own.
- And here's the first analysis which discusses strategic importance of Chushul Sector.
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I have been a great fan of your analyses and interpretations over the past decade, IIRC ; right from the time I was lurking at BRF and reading your coverage on Siachen Glacier. This analysis continues in that fine tradition you have set. While minor tech issues can be fixed the overall description you have given is awesome. It also shows convincingly how important the steps finally taken by IA recently have been both strategically and to your channelrohitvats wrote:[Admins, please remove if inappropriate]
- Gentlemen, I'v finally created a YouTube channel of my own.
- And here's the first analysis which discusses strategic importance of Chushul Sector.
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A summary of what the video discusses and explains:
Please have a look and do share your feedback and comments.- In the intervening nights of 29th and 30th August, and then subsequently on 30th and 31st August, the Indian Army took a series of steps to control the ridge-line along the Kailash range in the Chushul sector.
- This development is being seen from a narrow perspective of its impact only on the Chushul and Pangong Tso sector.
- As is shown in this analysis, by taking the ridge-line along with important features like Rechin La, Rezang La, Mukhapari, Gurung Hill, Black Top (possibly), Indian Army has removed a major threat to our India's defenses in the Eastern Ladakh sector.
- Location of Chushul is such that any break-out by the Chinese from Spanggur Gap gives them an option to mount offensive against Indian positions towards north as well as south.
- The Chinese army has in theory isolate Indian positions and troops in the Chang Chenmo river valley (Hot Springs, Gogra), Ane La pass, Fingers Area, block DSDBO road, or mountain an offensive against Leh along Darbuk-Chang La axis.
- Towards south, Indian positions and troops in various sectors like Demchok, Ukdungle, Chumur etc can be isolated, their road link with Leh broken and troops attacked from the rear.
- And the biggest threat is that Chinese break-out from Spanggur Gap gives them a possibility to develop a major offensive towards Leh through the highway which runs along the Indus river.
While I do not have insight to his previous opinions, this latest one , at-least to me seems like a perfect example of western-bias.YashG wrote:S Babones at Foreign Policy writes super practical columns on China.
https://foreignpolicy.com/author/salvatore-babones/
this was his masterpeice - https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/06/ch ... -spending/
Then recently China's plan to build a thai canal to get a faster access to Indian Ocean. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/01/ch ... kra-canal/.
His latest one, Its harsh on Modi ( disclaimer) but from a practical point of view -its just plain realpolitik. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/11/in ... -alliance/ Infact Modi already knows this. He is wise enough to.
In this forum I had made this point earlier, Modi can no longer use China relations as a balance against US/EU pressure on right leaning national policies. With GDP in tumble, Modi will likely re-calibrate his national agenda for more western support.
Since foreign policy is one of the most widely read think tanks, everything they say goes across the diplomatic theatre. What this latest article means is that there is a price to be paid for diplomatic support. Modi is wise enough to know this. He has a good EAM in place. If we play our diplomatic cards well, diplomatic defeat of China is definite. I also expect more foreign media articles to come out in India's support work if diplomatic signalling is achieved.
YashG wrote:S
His latest one, Its harsh on Modi ( disclaimer) but from a practical point of view -its just plain realpolitik. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/11/in ... -alliance/ Infact Modi already knows this. He is wise enough to.
In this forum I had made this point earlier, Modi can no longer use China relations as a balance against US/EU pressure on right leaning national policies. With GDP in tumble, Modi will likely re-calibrate his national agenda for more western support.
Since foreign policy is one of the most widely read think tanks, everything they say goes across the diplomatic theatre. What this latest article means is that there is a price to be paid for diplomatic support. Modi is wise enough to know this. He has a good EAM in place. If we play our diplomatic cards well, diplomatic defeat of China is definite. I also expect more foreign media articles to come out in India's support work if diplomatic signalling is achieved.
I Already mentioned a disclaimer its harsh on Modi. You can skip reading the article instead focus on his other articles like the thai canal or China running out of money. Foreign policy articles are like diplomatic opinions. They have a wide impact among the diplomatic circle.vimal wrote: This article is the same old rehash of how India should bow to the world because there is a nuclear armed neighbour involved. Also, give more to peacefools (in other words pakis) who btw just 70 years ago split this nation into two. If we care so much for the fiberal crowd then real-politik is already lost and we will have another Kashmir and partition in not so distant future.
If BR forum members share such nonsense then the forum has lost its raison d'etre. Let's put our guns down and beg for mercy.
in 1841 Gen Zorawar Singh had invaded Tibet advanced 800 kms inside and captured the famous Mansarovar lake. A major battle was fought on the banks of the sacred lake in which a huge Chinese force was routed. Our army is now sitting on the approach to Mt Kailash
I'd like to humbly ask how diplomatic pressure can bring anyone down? What exact tangible goals can diplomatic pressure realize?YashG wrote: But China will be brought down by combo of military action + diplomatic pressure, whichever way u achieve the two.
Thats why the Chinese carefully took all the strategic Land in 1962, our Babus and Politicians at that feed on Aryan Invasion Theories, British Cool Aid and Shakesphere knew nothing of proper Indian History have kept making strategic blunders. As a population we still dont know what it takes to be rich and prosperous. For a country to be rich and prosperous it needs to Independent to majority of its defense needs, Independent in food supplies especially grains fruits and vegetables, independent in energy and transport, which good metals and metallurgy in Manufacturing, preserving its environment, good education system with most people having good housing, food and debt spread reasonably well.pankajs wrote:It seems Gen Zorawar Singh had invaded Tibet going through the Spanggur gap!
https://twitter.com/GeneralBakshi/statu ... 9146091521in 1841 Gen Zorawar Singh had invaded Tibet advanced 800 kms inside and captured the famous Mansarovar lake. A major battle was fought on the banks of the sacred lake in which a huge Chinese force was routed. Our army is now sitting on the approach to Mt Kailash
Diplomacy alone can never achieve anything, it is always backed by strength- Military strength the more the enemy escalates the worse it gets for him, good economic and food stability of the population as whole.m_saini wrote:I'd like to humbly ask how diplomatic pressure can bring anyone down? What exact tangible goals can diplomatic pressure realize?YashG wrote: But China will be brought down by combo of military action + diplomatic pressure, whichever way u achieve the two.
And given the chinese "don't give a hoot about diplomacy" policy, how vulnerable are they to such a pressure?
Not impressed by this Babones fellow at all. Let’s see:YashG wrote:
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His latest one, Its harsh on Modi ( disclaimer) but from a practical point of view -its just plain realpolitik. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/11/in ... -alliance/ Infact Modi already knows this. He is wise enough to.
In this forum I had made this point earlier, Modi can no longer use China relations as a balance against US/EU pressure on right leaning national policies. With GDP in tumble, Modi will likely re-calibrate his national agenda for more western support.
Since foreign policy is one of the most widely read think tanks, everything they say goes across the diplomatic theatre. What this latest article means is that there is a price to be paid for diplomatic support. Modi is wise enough to know this. He has a good EAM in place. If we play our diplomatic cards well, diplomatic defeat of China is definite. I also expect more foreign media articles to come out in India's support work if diplomatic signalling is achieved.
There in one line u summed up the article.KLNMurthy wrote:
- Modi has to appease the “liberals” of India and the world if he is to get any support from outside India for standing yp to China.
YashG,YashG wrote:
In this forum I had made this point earlier, Modi can no longer use China relations as a balance against US/EU pressure on right leaning national policies. With GDP in tumble, Modi will likely re-calibrate his national agenda for more western support.
Since foreign policy is one of the most widely read think tanks, everything they say goes across the diplomatic theatre. What this latest article means is that there is a price to be paid for diplomatic support. Modi is wise enough to know this. He has a good EAM in place. If we play our diplomatic cards well, diplomatic defeat of China is definite. I also expect more foreign media articles to come out in India's support work if diplomatic signalling is achieved.
I mentioned combo. (Dip + Mil)m_saini wrote:I'd like to humbly ask how diplomatic pressure can bring anyone down? What exact tangible goals can diplomatic pressure realize?YashG wrote: But China will be brought down by combo of military action + diplomatic pressure, whichever way u achieve the two.
And given the chinese "don't give a hoot about diplomacy" policy, how vulnerable are they to such a pressure?
Youre right when u say, India doesnt matter for most western media house. you're so correct!!amar_p wrote: India is general and Modi specifically have a very biased and ignorant media coverage in the West, which gets most of its cues from Indian lefty media. For most western media houses, India does not matter. They have the same sense of responsibility derived from cliched images while writing about Chicken Tikka Masala or Bollywood or India's economic policies or border conflict with China. They have no idea what Hindu or rightwing or nationalist means in the Indian context.
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To be concerned about our GDP is not the same as dhoti shivering. Its taking the use of dhoti shivering too far.amar_p wrote: YashG,
The merits of Babone's article aside, your comments seem to be just "low GDP growth" dhoti shivering.
waiting to take over and replace Xi and negotiate a truce? After how much loss will Xi be forced to quit and hand over to Team B?China’s failure to push around the Indian troops in the Line of Actual Control (LAC) means that the ability of Chinese President Xi Jinping to intimidate anyone has reduced.
In an opinion article for Newsweek written by Gordon G Chang, a lawyer and commentator, the Chinese President has risked his future with the failed high-profile incursions of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) into more areas of the LAC, the border between India and China.
The writer says that Xi is the “architect” of these aggressive moves into India and the Chinese troops have unexpectedly flopped.
Xi has shown that he is good at the political mobilisation of the army and can spend huge amount on military equipment. He has also perfected the art of intimidating other countries. However, the Chinese President has yet to show his military in a fight and is worth a damn.
“Unfortunately, it looks like China’s leader, who had looked invincible, now has something to prove. As a result, he appears absolutely determined to make his point by launching another attempt to break India apart,” Chang says adding that other countries will take cognisance that Chinese military is deficient.
With India and China locked in an intense military standoff along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the government today sought Rs 1,200-crore increase in the budget for strategic roads in the border areas all along the LAC. In the Union Budget in February, a sum of Rs 3,050 crore was earmarked for roads in border areas. The addition of Rs 1,200 crore makes it a 39 per cent jump over the original allocation.
The border dispute between India and China simmered on Monday with China’s envoy to India Sun Weidong reiterating Beijing’s claims that New Delhi had illegally crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC) between the two countries to change the status quo.
The comments from the Chinese embassy in New Delhi came days after the foreign ministers of the two countries—S. Jaishankar of India and Wang Yi of China—met in Moscow and seemed to have worked out a temporary truce. It comes ahead of another meeting of senior military commanders expected this week to work out a disengagement plan.
Describing the situation at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh as “not only serious but extremely sensitive”, the retired lieutenant general, who also commanded a division at the McMohan line in the northeast, said that while the standoff is still on, India is in a much better position now in both banks of the Pangong Tso, following the military manoeuvres at the end of August.
“I think the Chinese always felt and I think they sold it to themselves that Indians would be weak and they can be pushed around. Now they have realised that Indians are not a pushover,” Lt Gen Pannu told ThePrint. “They should have made these calculations earlier before they started this operation in the month of May itself. They should have known that India is not a pushover, but I think they are still living with the 1962 syndrome.”
Lt Gen Pannu said the ball is in China’s court to disengage. “When I say the ball is in China’s court, it means that they are the ones who initiated the aggression and hence it is their move to disengage,” he added.
He said India’s quid pro quo, known in military circles as QPQ, under which it has occupied certain territory (southern bank), is making China “absolutely uncomfortable” and they are surprised about it.
“But still the Chinese will have to play ball … China will have to come out with an exit strategy… It should be China which should pick up the call and initiate a dialogue,” he said talking about leadership level parleys.
“If both do not back off, either you are headed into a standoff which is going to be a longish standoff or you are going to fight a war … If they (China) end up fighting a war, it goes contrary to their own strategy of winning a war without fighting,” he said.
The former Army officer added that Xi Jingping and his advisors felt that the whole world is already suffering from the weight of Covid and hence it is the time to push around.
“They have made a calculation to make Xi the leader in the world. Xi is obsessed about himself and his power. They clearly need to work on an exit strategy. I hope better sense will prevail and they will come with a practical strategy,” he said.
Lt Gen Pannu added that the whole world needs to rally around and “catch this bully from all sides and do not allow this bully to destroy the world”.
Correct. In the quest for cheap factory widgets and high returns, the west has been blind to the brutality and inhumanity of the CCP right from it's inception. What they have done and continue to do would put Pol Pot and Taliban to shame and yet because of the Kissinger partnership the west has turned a blind eye. Thanks to our sold out and copy cat media + the commie stranglehold on Indian education, most Indian's are also blind to what the CCP is. They literally view them as cute pandas instead of the soulless emoticons they are.This Modi just clean-up the act is just a cover. No one cares deep inside, but they will put up a show to keep their woke progressives happy.
After all they still deal with the organ harvesting CCP.
Except that I pointed out in the following key lines in my post that the article, as summed up, is pathetic nonsense. Which lines you omitted above.YashG wrote:There in one line u summed up the article.KLNMurthy wrote:
- Modi has to appease the “liberals” of India and the world if he is to get any support from outside India for standing yp to China.
Alternatively if our GDP did well, no one will have any issues about what Modi does. Han army cannot in any case do much to us militarily. But hot borders will not let Modi focus on economy fulltime. (our finmin cnt do a thing well).
VIEWS OF LT GEN MANBIR DADWAL (RETD)
MY CORPS COMMANDER UNDER WHOM I COMMANDED MY BRIGADE IN COUNTER INSURGENCY
What we need to realise is that HAN tribe of China are no warriors.
They are slimy and will use every dirty trick to gain advantage.
Old Indian temple sculptures show Chinese stabbing Indian traders in the back.
They have never won any war other than some local ones.
We have given them too much respect after Nehru's folly.
HAN community got rapped by Koreans and Japanese
The only war they won was against India.
Thank some … idiots for that.
We can DEFEAT them any time
Echoes our own Chola ji!wig wrote:https://www.gunnersshot.com/2020/09/sin ... d.html?m=1
from the above link
VIEWS OF LT GEN MANBIR DADWAL (RETD)
MY CORPS COMMANDER UNDER WHOM I COMMANDED MY BRIGADE IN COUNTER INSURGENCY
What we need to realise is that HAN tribe of China are no warriors.
They are slimy and will use every dirty trick to gain advantage.
Old Indian temple sculptures show Chinese stabbing Indian traders in the back.
They have never won any war other than some local ones.
We have given them too much respect after Nehru's folly.
HAN community got rapped by Koreans and Japanese
The only war they won was against India.
Thank some … idiots for that.
We can DEFEAT them any time
Don't forget to check the videoIndians are now worried as China has just deployed amphibious assault helicopter in Pangong Tso lake in Ladakh.
These attack helicopters are proven to be very deadly in battlefield as their debris during crash can kill any Indian Soldier within its range.
Checkmate India!