2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 01:03

If Modi govt is forced to back down, or roll back these long overdue and much-needed reforms, then no govt in the next few decades will have the courage to implement politically contentious measures.

It will be a thunderous defeat for democracy and this is exactly what the commies, naxals, minorities and the BIF want, to keep India weak, divided and segmented as that will ensure that no govt as strong or as determined as Modi's govt ever comes to power again.

they want to derail India's and Modi's economic and social credibility on a global stage, weaken the reform agenda and tie down India in a third world paradigm.

I’ve been told that protesters are also demanding a 50% reduction in Diesel prices for agriculture & they are opposing the new draft electricity code.

They are overplaying their hand.

Do they realise that this money belongs to the honest taxpayers of this country?

Why are we even entertaining a blatant attempt to hold a city hostage with the intention of organised extortion that will benefit the middlemen, rich farmers and their feudal set-up in a few states which will come at the expense of India’s hardworking small and marginal farmers?

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vimal · Post by **vimal** » 10 Dec 2020 01:09

If Modi/Shah were such pussies then they wouldn't have survived and reached the top.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 01:10

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 01:18

vimal wrote:If Modi/Shah were such pussies then they wouldn't have survived and reached the top.

It's not about Modi/Shah, it's about inimical BIF trying to derail the only Hindu majority nation in the world.

the "farmer's unions" that are trying to derail the agri reforms are primarily commie/naxal in character and their international supporters are wading in to support this malevolent lot.

why would these "international supporters" do that unless there are deeply vested interests at play and why would India even allow that to happen

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 01:25

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disha · Post by **disha** » 10 Dec 2020 02:29

mmasand wrote:Needless to say, GoI doesn't even have an official spokesperson (Javdekar does not count). It's not just the BJP, but all conservative govt's seem to have poor communication strategies.

Sambit patra did bring it up. Sanju Verma brought it up. It was even sent out by union ministers. At one point Sambit had regular updates for the media.

Problem is not the official spokesperson. Problem is media.

Remember in all this, what is media's role? Or put it differently, why Media takes the role of being an obscurantist?

Taking a different tack., Without an emotion how can you outrage? Without an outrage why would you even be reading news? The current model of the media to stay in news is to manufacture outrage. If truth is brought out, any sane & rational person will realize that the current system of MSP/APMCS has created a lucrative market for select few at the detriment of many. And the opposition is just band wagoning to remain relevant.

Hence media will suppress, divert, lie, gaslight and turn any issue into an emotive outrageous ones. Their very business depends upon it.

Once we understand the true nature of the media, we can use it to our advantage.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2020 02:44

disha wrote:
mmasand wrote:Needless to say, GoI doesn't even have an official spokesperson (Javdekar does not count). It's not just the BJP, but all conservative govt's seem to have poor communication strategies.
Sambit patra did bring it up. Sanju Verma brought it up. It was even sent out by union ministers. At one point Sambit had regular updates for the media.

Problem is not the official spokesperson. Problem is media.

Remember in all this, what is media's role? Or put it differently, why Media takes the role of being an obscurantist?

Taking a different tack., Without an emotion how can you outrage? Without an outrage why would you even be reading news? The current model of the media to stay in news is to manufacture outrage. If truth is brought out, any sane & rational person will realize that the current system of MSP/APMCS has created a lucrative market for select few at the detriment of many. And the opposition is just band wagoning to remain relevant.

Hence media will suppress, divert, lie, gaslight and turn any issue into an emotive outrageous ones. Their very business depends upon it.

Once we understand the true nature of the media, we can use it to our advantage.

Remember scums of NDTV filed a case to stop sagar mala project!!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 03:05

vested interests in punjab and how they see their god given entitlements and the docile Indian taxpayer who is ever burdened with the bill run up by fraudulent middlemen feasting on every single deal made anywhere in the country.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2020 03:22

When I went to rediff.com after a year ... this is what I missed

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 10 Dec 2020 03:30

This guy is an Aapiya so open at your own risk. It does show the inner workings of the protest, including how Punjabi newspaper get delivered on the scene and who is taking care of the fields while they are out.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 03:44

meanwhile, back at the ranch...........

pappu's haath paki ke saath

assam congis have published wrong boundaries of India

deliberate or merely wishful..

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 04:38

Panchayats have lots of farmer's, no

pappu takes a beating here too

Rajasthan Panchayat Elections : Panchayat Samiti BJP wins 1925, Congress 1796.

Zilla Parishad BJP 353 Congress 252 .

congis campaigned on the basis of the farmer's bill wapas le lo

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 04:43

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 10 Dec 2020 04:48

No wonders canadian sikhs are howling - there is a gravy train here what will get shut down...

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Dec 2020 05:18

vimal wrote:This guy is an Aapiya so open at your own risk. It does show the inner workings of the protest, including how Punjabi newspaper get delivered on the scene and who is taking care of the fields while they are out.

We can see where the problem is. None of these hot-headed protestors can clearly articulate what the issue is, where does the bill lack and how it should be addressed. All I hear is "Modi did this, Modi did that, farmers dying, Ambani/Adani looting, take back the bills". They cannot clearly state nor explain the shortcomings of the law or even bother to admit that nearly 75% of the farming households and 94% of the farm produce will benefit from the bill. It is preposterous to even suggest every single produce should be covered by the lofty MSP which for the 22 crops it covers already pays well above the market price. The government will go bankrupt and unleash an even higher food inflation than the one we've been facing the last 15 yrs if they attempt to do that.

After this experience i hope the center will begin tapering MSP purchases from Punjab and distribute it evenly across all the states. The APMC brokers in Punjab have already taken advantage of the MSP arbitrage by picking up produce from UP, Bihar, WB, RJ etc and resell them in Punjab, this needs to be cut at the source by increasing MSP in the states where the produce is grown. This will also put an end to Punjab APMC brokers claiming "farmers from all over the country" are with us BS.

As with the CAA and now with the farm bills it goes to show how difficult it is to bring meaningful reforms in our country. Congress has created a self-sustaining monster where the fuel of corruption and brokerage keeps the rotten structure moving, any attempts to cut off the fuel will result in blackmail and violence. I don't think even Congress can control its own created system anymore, no wonder they never bother implementing anything from their manifesto. The system rolls on its own power and i doubt if it can be stopped on its tracks using methods available to a democratically elected government.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 10 Dec 2020 06:22

I remember how baba Ramdev and his supporters were attacked at the middle of the night and forced to vacate. Same happened to Ram-Rahim supporters. No outrage or human rights violations were recorded then. A nightly water cannon shower should suffice in these cold months.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 06:37

many gasbags from NITI aayog or even from AIIMS are holding forth almost daily on prime time TV (mostly runditv), on various issues adding immensely to the already prevailing confusion.

who allowed these clowns to speak to the press.

AIIMS doesn't even influence any policy in India because it has no seat for itself at any high table.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 10 Dec 2020 06:43

Was it in 1966 that Sadhus were beyond abused for protesting in Delhi?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Dec 2020 06:59

Ambar wrote:The Punjab APMC traders union has already rejected government's proposal to amend the laws, repeal all 3 laws or the gherao of Delhi will intensify is their new threat. The APMC traders have said they will be completely blocking off Delhi-Agra, Delhi-Noida, Delhi-Jaipur entry and exit points starting Dec 9th, and have called for farmers across the country to join them in making the lives of citizens of Delhi more miserable.

If you match the timelines of anti-CAA protests, the farm protests are running just 4 days behind schedule. After the skirmishes of Dec 6th 2019, the next major attack on police, businesses in Delhi by the anti-CAA jihadis/urban naxals was on Dec 12th, 2019. Looks like we are in for repeat of the same strategy by BIF.

So, these are APMC traders who are objecting, not the farmers, then? Just to be ultra-clear.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Dec 2020 07:02

vimal wrote:I remember how baba Ramdev and his supporters were attacked at the middle of the night and forced to vacate. Same happened to Ram-Rahim supporters. No outrage or human rights violations were recorded then. A nightly water cannon shower should suffice in these cold months.

Trouble is neither baba Ramdev nor Ram Rahim had the sort of ecosystem support urban naxals, islamists and their sympathizers readily get. The break-India forces get coverfire both from local and global media, they have an army of dedicated social media warriors ready to unleash propaganda and cry victim, they have MPs and Congressmen on their rolls in Eur and N.America who will ensure an international outrage. Although i often repeat that Congress party benefits from its 100+ years of existence, and they designed a political and bureaucratic system from scratch , customized it to meet their needs however they never rested on their past performance instead they constantly evolved and innovated to survive. Take for example the unions, when the communists in the 60s began rising and taking control of the labor unions and student unions, Congress sowed division in their ranks and rose competing power structures within organizations, this was done through violence, intimidation, using state machinery, bureaucracy etc. where as after all these years BJP backed BMS or BKS cannot even control their own members let alone make or break agitations. BJP has a long, long way to go to match Congress' mechanizations and its ecosystem.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Dec 2020 07:08

KLNMurthy wrote:
Ambar wrote:The Punjab APMC traders union has already rejected government's proposal to amend the laws, repeal all 3 laws or the gherao of Delhi will intensify is their new threat. The APMC traders have said they will be completely blocking off Delhi-Agra, Delhi-Noida, Delhi-Jaipur entry and exit points starting Dec 9th, and have called for farmers across the country to join them in making the lives of citizens of Delhi more miserable.

If you match the timelines of anti-CAA protests, the farm protests are running just 4 days behind schedule. After the skirmishes of Dec 6th 2019, the next major attack on police, businesses in Delhi by the anti-CAA jihadis/urban naxals was on Dec 12th, 2019. Looks like we are in for repeat of the same strategy by BIF.
So, these are APMC traders who are objecting, not the farmers, then? Just to be ultra-clear.

No, it was rejected by the Toyota Fortuner/Range Rover "farmers" who are nothing but APMC mafia who claim to speak for the real farmers. The government has agreed to guarantee MSP (dont know if it means making it a law) which even Congress never did in all these years and also agreed to strengthen the contract arbitration between pvt purchasers and the farmer, heck, they even agreed to water down anti-stubble burning pollution ordinances but nope, these so called "farmers" rejected government's proposal and said they won't agree to anything less than complete withdrawl of the three farm bills.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 10 Dec 2020 07:16

ManSingh wrote:probably will handle the issue of a supply gut and low prices ( in case of no MSP)??

If supply exceeds demand, would the farmers be allowed to sell it to companies that can buy at MSP and put it to good use, like generating CH4? Farmers can get CH4 in exchange for the left over grain.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 07:36

Vayutuvan wrote:
ManSingh wrote:probably will handle the issue of a supply gut and low prices ( in case of no MSP)??
If supply exceeds demand, would the farmers be allowed to sell it to companies that can buy at MSP and put it to good use, like generating CH4? Farmers can get CH4 in exchange for the left over grain.

they want a law that says buy all at MSP and pay us immediately

what you do with the stuff after you buy it is your problem.

rinse and repeat in perpetuity

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 10 Dec 2020 08:26

Vayutuvan wrote:
ManSingh wrote:probably will handle the issue of a supply gut and low prices ( in case of no MSP)??
If supply exceeds demand, would the farmers be allowed to sell it to companies that can buy at MSP and put it to good use, like generating CH4? Farmers can get CH4 in exchange for the left over grain.

I would not know the right answer to your question. I guess with removal of restrictions as to where you can sell crops from the protected list, what you are asking may be possible.

venkat_kv · Post by **venkat_kv** » 10 Dec 2020 09:05

ManSingh wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:
If supply exceeds demand, would the farmers be allowed to sell it to companies that can buy at MSP and put it to good use, like generating CH4? Farmers can get CH4 in exchange for the left over grain.
I would not know the right answer to your question. I guess with removal of restrictions as to where you can sell crops from the protected list, what you are asking may be possible.

ManSingh Saar,
i would like to know your views on how to solve this issue. its quite obvious that you are quite passionate about the Punjab/farmer agriculture related issues. What would your proposal approach that can solve lot of the issues of all the farmers and not just Punjab vs rest of India farmers, that seems to be going on in the outskirts of Delhi.

Also how would you suggest a resolution to the stubble issue/burning to alleviate it?

thanks

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Dec 2020 10:32

Nope, the farm bill protests have nothing to do with politics or urban naxals, none whatsoever.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 12:54

high time that India restricted the unrestrained run of these guys, interfering in the internal affairs, influencing opinions and elections and suppressing, censoring content and opinions that they may not like favor a specific narrative

next stop is twitter. just set fire to jack the crack's beard and take his opinionated ass down by ten, twenty or more notches

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 13:55

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Bloody hell. 57% paddy procurement by Centre is from Punjab.

That’s Rs 38k crore.

Add wheat MSP cost of Rs 25k crore too.

Total Rs 63k crore of taxpayers money benefiting very small no of farmers in one state!

That’s more than total MNREGA budget.

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Ramesh · Post by **Ramesh** » 10 Dec 2020 15:48

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55232432

Will be grateful if someone can decipher this BBC hatchet job.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 10 Dec 2020 16:16

Looks like the battle lines are drawn now. The plan seems to be to force the government to use police resulting in some nice visuals for the usual gang. Usually GoI would have got at least some elements of the various organisations to split away but that has not happened. The farmers stand is hardline and no negotiation.

This is a serious problem for the administration for the future. Submit now and it will become a template for blocking any and all decisions of the government.Say bye bye to UCC or any other project that was on the cards. It will be the first time I guess that a party with outright majority in the parliament will not be able to exercise their agenda.

Lets see how this plays out. There are not many options or levers left with GoI.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 10 Dec 2020 16:25

Ramesh wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55232432

Will be grateful if someone can decipher this BBC hatchet job.

The whole news is based on an "investigation" by some shady NGO called EU DisinfoLab which calls itself "Independent EU-focused NGO."

Secondly, there is a Muslim dude as the writer of the story (doing smear campaign against India). There is also the obligatory house negro with a Hindu name who would be shown as a co-author of the news report to project neutrality (though the house negro would just be a puppet, while the puppeteer would be the monotheist dripping with hatred of idol worshippers).

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 10 Dec 2020 16:33

Ramesh wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55232432

Will be grateful if someone can decipher this BBC hatchet job.

Reads like an illuminati conspiracy.
Imran khan came up with the "BJP is Nazi party" propaganda ever since he took office. The "investigation" is probably funded by his govt. Frequent mention of "Pakistan" is a clear giveaway.

Don't waste time aggregating this BS.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2020 16:39

Tanaji wrote:Looks like the battle lines are drawn now. The plan seems to be to force the government to use police resulting in some nice visuals for the usual gang. Usually GoI would have got at least some elements of the various organisations to split away but that has not happened. The farmers stand is hardline and no negotiation.

This is a serious problem for the administration for the future. Submit now and it will become a template for blocking any and all decisions of the government.Say bye bye to UCC or any other project that was on the cards. It will be the first time I guess that a party with outright majority in the parliament will not be able to exercise their agenda.

Lets see how this plays out. There are not many options or levers left with GoI.

they are angling for either death in policing firing or they will convince some dumbo to commit suicide in front of the media cameras.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Dec 2020 16:50

Same Shaheenbag drama repeat now. No public support. Khalisthani gangs and urban naxals gangs now funded by dalali lobby of Punjab. Entire paid MSM is supporting it as usual.

These reforms will be as far reaching as 1991 reforms. That is why INC and other of its gangs do not want it.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Dec 2020 18:47

This post is directed at those who think that the farmers with the specific demands will win.

I don't think that the farmers and the people behind have any clue about the decision making process of the government.

If the demand had any merit, the entire country would be in a state of farmers unrest.

It's not.

That alone is the proof that this agitation has no broad based support.

In this scenario, expecting the government of India to cave in is unreasonable.

They are quite well placed to deal with this situation have faith.

Remember that the top players in this government have faced off against the might of the UPA from 2004 to 2014.

They have also faced off against the night of TSP and China in the last few years.

They are not going to back down.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 10 Dec 2020 18:50

When is the next harvesting season? If it is any time soon GoI can come up with some 'success stories' from states in which it has some leverage. Go with a publicity 'blitzkreig' through all channels possible. The bluff of the APMC 'dalals' have to be called out.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 10 Dec 2020 18:54

Yagnasri wrote:Same Shaheenbag drama repeat now. No public support. Khalisthani gangs and urban naxals gangs now funded by dalali lobby of Punjab. Entire paid MSM is supporting it as usual.

These reforms will be as far reaching as 1991 reforms. That is why INC and other of its gangs do not want it.

"Farmers" are now protesting with photos of Sharjeel, Varavar Rao & other naxals. These are mainly elderly women just to bring optics like Shaheen
bagh dadis. Plan is to bring 400000 people & block Delhi from all sides. Of course railway tracks will also be blocked. "Intersectionality" will be the keywrod used to explain away the presence of photos of Naxalbaris.

https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status ... 9608805376

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Dec 2020 19:12

Today's press meet of Piyush Goyal and Tomar is very clear about the GoI ideas on this "agitation". The "farmers" are going to do the same dramas as before and are going to be exposed as anti nationals now. But it looks like the present gang is better funded and better " supported" from abroad. Plus unlike Shaheenbag the present agitation has full support of Punjab Gov and INC there.

It would be better if BJP and GoI go on media blitz and counter attack now so that the situation is made normal asap. Otherwise there will further hardship for common people.