2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 06 Feb 2021 20:49

Before buying, people have started asking whether it's from Punjab. Enough said.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 06 Feb 2021 21:18

BJP issues whip to RS MPs to be present in House from Feb 8-12
This news has caused jitters amongst the (self appointed) "secular-progressive-liberal" gang all across India. One thing for sure, Modi & BJP knows how to dramatize things

. Among the seculars, they are now confused. Should they run to the banks with their cash stash, or should they start seeking help from lawyers like Kapil Sibal, or is it the arrival of UCC? No one knows what Modi & BJP is planning. But I feel this could be to pass some amendments to the new farm laws, purely to bring better clarity to some provisions.

darshan wrote:India and Hindus certainly could have outrun this meat trade by trading based on yoga, chai, Neem, ayurveda, organic farming, milk based products, etc.

What GoI amendment says is that the meat would be made & exported based on the demands of the importing country. If bulk of meat goes to Islamic countries, then do it the the halal way and make some money. But what needs to be done is to make sure that the non-halal options are also made available. Mean while Kerala which is soon becoming an Islamic Sharia compliant state has lodged a case against a Hindu organization leader who championes for non-halal food. In Kerala, the Muslim organizations are trying to spin a new story, and stating that halal only means food cooked in clean environment. Which actually implies that food cooked in Hindu and X'ian households and eateries are unclean by default

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A Sharma wrote:The chakka Jam was a failure and the impact was only in certain areas of Punjab, Haryana and NCR

The farmer broker gang is now losing out, and that too big time. The protest is now purely a political one, with Congress and other 'secular' regional parties trying some political gimmicks. In Karnataka for example, this protest was clearly restricted to North Bangalore suburbs, with the city police clearly saying that no tantrums will happen inside the city limits. Again these protests are organized by some regional outfits, with perhaps Congress party sponsoring the same.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Feb 2021 21:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tWiTa5 ... e=youtu.be

#farmersprotest
How to organize ri0ts in India | भारत में दंगे कैसे भड़काएँ | Farmers Protest | Nehal Tyagi

kit · Post by **kit** » 06 Feb 2021 22:18

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 06 Feb 2021 22:39

Again Meena Harris spreading utterly fake news about the arrest of "activist" Nodeep Singh. Nodeep was arrested by the Punjab police because of ransom. She says that labor laws/agri. laws of India are items of international concern.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 06 Feb 2021 22:42

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 06 Feb 2021 22:45

A Sharma wrote:Talked to Journalist friend in India. The chakka Jam was a failure and the impact was only in certain areas of Punjab, Haryana and NCR

Sir, even their own gazette could not claim more,

‘Chakka jam’ | Farmers in Punjab, Haryana block roads

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... epage=true

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 06 Feb 2021 23:17

Nothing new for BR but this thread reader summarizes the threat Bharat Varsha has faced right from our glorious days of being Vishwa Guru to the newest andolan. Well worth 2 min read.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1357 ... 26241.html

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 06 Feb 2021 23:19

India Speaks Daily mentions a point about how foreign corporates running amok in Punjab with contract farming since 2013.

https://youtu.be/OcpGQweWhzY

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 06 Feb 2021 23:58

darshan wrote:Before buying, people have started asking whether it's from Punjab. Enough said.

Sorry, which commodities are you referring to ? And which part of India/US/UK is this happening ?

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 07 Feb 2021 00:07

not sure where to post this. but hope some forum members apply.

Modi Govt To Induct More Private Sector Specialists As JS, Directors In Central Ministries Via Lateral Entry

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/modi-govt ... ministries

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Feb 2021 00:13

OmkarC wrote:
darshan wrote:Before buying, people have started asking whether it's from Punjab. Enough said.
Sorry, which commodities are you referring to ? And which part of India/US/UK is this happening ?

GJ is what I monitor and everyday commodities that normal person buys. How they decipher it to be from PJ is beyond logical. Though point to note is that this is what the base of pyramid or common public is discussing post 26th. Who achieved what needs to be analyzed here. PJ is already suffering and more suffering helps who. The main point being pushed to commoners is that PJ people aren't opening denouncing and kicking khalistanis so that leaves lot of room for interpretation.

Not sure why US/UK would be here.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 07 Feb 2021 00:15

great short speech by Baba Kalyani. we have had such negativity in this thread seeing all the antics of BIF.

please do listen as he speaks of a resurgent India. it will lift you spirits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_604hte4MRo

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 07 Feb 2021 00:17

Lisa wrote:
A Sharma wrote:Talked to Journalist friend in India. The chakka Jam was a failure and the impact was only in certain areas of Punjab, Haryana and NCR
Sir, even their own gazette could not claim more,

‘Chakka jam’ | Farmers in Punjab, Haryana block roads

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... epage=true

Sanjay Dixit showed videos and photos of the 'chakka jam' with only a handful of people in the four locations including Ghazipur. He said it was a total failure, not even as 'successful' as the Hindu claims.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 07 Feb 2021 07:14

Rony wrote: https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 72960?s=20

There's no way to unread this, is there? I'm so disturbed right now, been that way all day. Which one of those folks to commend for courage - don't know. That man must have been traumatized for life. Where do these hard-learned lessons get lost?

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 07 Feb 2021 08:21

sudarshan wrote:
Rony wrote: https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 72960?s=20
There's no way to unread this, is there? I'm so disturbed right now, been that way all day. Which one of those folks to commend for courage - don't know. That man must have been traumatized for life. Where do these hard-learned lessons get lost?

This is not the half of it, the stories we heard from our grandparents who trekked from the hinterlands of Sindh, there was no time to sit back, and process everything. Find your way to a new country, look for a tent to put your head on, and look at the map and find a place to go start from scratch. Hence when I say ignore the rhetoric on social media, there are simply no consumers for it. The turn around may not be this decade, or next, but civilisations are not built in a day.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 07 Feb 2021 08:28

Let the farmers rot at the border. Agriculture has held the country back for far too long? It's time to mainstream the activity and mainstream it.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 07 Feb 2021 08:32

sudarshan wrote:
Rony wrote: https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 72960?s=20
There's no way to unread this, is there? I'm so disturbed right now, been that way all day. Which one of those folks to commend for courage - don't know. That man must have been traumatized for life. Where do these hard-learned lessons get lost?

Saar, I've read and heard other variations of this. In all cases they were people who were caught on the other side of the partition line and were making their way out. For some it happend during the trek. I would say 50% of India (probably 80% south of Vindhyas) dont know about these events. These just do not make mainstream literature, but thanks to web, these things are getting out now. I had no idea that Hindus were sawn in Kashmir by their friendly neighbors until the testimony of Sunanda Vashist in US Congress. But yes, this goes one step beyond where they decided to kill their own rather than let the wovles have their way. One BRF moderator's relative in East PAskitan who crossed over had a similar kinds of horrible experiences in the land they left behind.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 07 Feb 2021 09:27

A Sharma wrote:Talked to Journalist friend in India. The chakka Jam was a failure and the impact was only in certain areas of Punjab, Haryana and NCR

Even in the commie KL, absolutely NO response. I was on the NH544, expecting to at least a few flag bearing party cadres basking in sun. Nothing! Nada!!

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 07 Feb 2021 10:04

Looks like kisan andolan is weakening. Zee is reporting that protesters at UP Gate/Gazipur border have been asked to be very judicious about food and water consumption. Maybe this is signaling by Tikait.

Larry Walker · Post by **Larry Walker** » 07 Feb 2021 11:25

With this current round of mini insurrection now deflating, what still bothers me is the ability of BIF to whip up emotional frenzy on pure legislative issues. Somehow I get the feeling that more than 50% of whoever supported these 'farmers' did so just on emotions of supporting farmers and not out of any hatred for Modi or Hindus. Though the core of this movement was pure BIF and Khalistani. Somewhere I am praying that GoI has by now learnt the technique of ensuring that these supposed insurrections don't devolve into emotive battles or atleast stop out these before it misleads larger sections.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Feb 2021 11:40

Like every organization there is a Pareto principle involved in the BIF structure. 80% of funds come from 20% of the sources. 80% of decisions are taken by 20% of the leadership. Key nodes can be identified, precisely targeted & quietly neutralized one way or another.

The point is to do it after the media & public attention have abated. It will take a relentless & persistent campaign of monitoring, infiltration, intelligence-gathering, seeding internal dissent between factions, etc. You & I will probably never see it happen. In fact, anything done visibly or openly will only play into their hands & serve as an excuse to cry "fascism", "authoritarianism" and so forth.

How FBI quelled the far-left campus activist & domestic terrorist movements of America in the late 1960s would make a great case study. And of course technology has come a long way since then.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 13:20

Dileep wrote:
A Sharma wrote:Talked to Journalist friend in India. The chakka Jam was a failure and the impact was only in certain areas of Punjab, Haryana and NCR
Even in the commie KL, absolutely NO response. I was on the NH544, expecting to at least a few flag bearing party cadres basking in sun. Nothing! Nada!!

TOIlet paper is showing the chakka jam in KAR as a major event.

kuch be

looks like some of the prime afghan hash escaped confiscation during the recent huge drug bust on a lankan fishing boat and part of it wound up with the TOIlet "reporters" who were then duly "energised" to do some inspired reporting

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 07 Feb 2021 13:22

Larry Walker wrote:With this current round of mini insurrection now deflating, what still bothers me is the ability of BIF to whip up emotional frenzy on pure legislative issues. Somehow I get the feeling that more than 50% of whoever supported these 'farmers' did so just on emotions of supporting farmers and not out of any hatred for Modi or Hindus. Though the core of this movement was pure BIF and Khalistani. Somewhere I am praying that GoI has by now learnt the technique of ensuring that these supposed insurrections don't devolve into emotive battles or atleast stop out these before it misleads larger sections.

Welcome to the gen SM, where outrage is the 5 time prayer; practiced by folks with attention span of a Gnat! There is always the next outrage to jump to; on every possible conceivable topics possible.

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Feb 2021 13:35

Sonugn wrote:Again Meena Harris spreading utterly fake news about the arrest of "activist" Nodeep Singh. Nodeep was arrested by the Punjab police because of ransom. She says that labor laws/agri. laws of India are items of international concern.

More likely she is being fed information and is too lazy to do some research on her own ., just like the schoolgirl who doesnt go to school

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 07 Feb 2021 14:01

kit wrote:
Sonugn wrote:Again Meena Harris spreading utterly fake news about the arrest of "activist" Nodeep Singh. Nodeep was arrested by the Punjab police because of ransom. She says that labor laws/agri. laws of India are items of international concern.
More likely she is being fed information and is too lazy to do some research on her own ., just like the schoolgirl who doesnt go to school

If she is not restrained by the Dems, this only means that she is asked to do the role of a bad cop. Not that this yelping by a group of Dems have any impact on the farm laws.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 14:10

kit wrote:
Sonugn wrote:Again Meena Harris spreading utterly fake news about the arrest of "activist" Nodeep Singh. Nodeep was arrested by the Punjab police because of ransom. She says that labor laws/agri. laws of India are items of international concern.
More likely she is being fed information and is too lazy to do some research on her own ., just like the schoolgirl who doesnt go to school

Don't get fooled by this "fake" news straw man

this is the post truth world.

"truth" is what you can (or want to) make the others believe. It is not absolute and nor is connected to facts in any way.

so trying to debunk it using the failed gandhian logic is counter productive and down right naive.

It is all about setting the narrative and then selling that narrative using any and every means at your disposal. If you succeed, then that is the truth.

look at how the "farmer's" narrative kept khalistanis out of the picture and now the "farmer's" narrative has been replaced by the "caste" narrative, still keeping the khalistanis out of the picture.

you and I may know different but the farmers massed at the dilli borders have been very successfully sold the "caste" narrative and so are all charged up against Modi and the anti India global media is pushing this "farmer's"/"caste" narrative, and keeping the khalistanis out of the picture, once again.

Low IQ thunberg has demolished this narrative with her quest for the nobel and trying to cement her leadership position in such highly visible interventionist projects.

The US and the britshits, in a highly unusual move have publicly and also officially supported India's new farm laws, this after jaishankar had also publicly stated that the potential for the damage to ties between India and kaneda, on the khalistani question is a very real possibility. jaishankar is a straight shooter, much to be appreciated and admired as well as supported.

the khalistanis, as everyone knows, have major support processes from dark sources in the US and UK.

that is why the lootyens/commie/BIF ecosystem is so panicked about republic tv's english and hindi channels coverage and republic's soon to be unveiled foray into regional channels will greatly diminish their ability to set the narrative. So they have all ganged up on him, and institutions all the way to the very top have been paid off.

Just be aware that meera harris is now the poster girl of the khalistanis and has been paid off to play her role.

The farm laws are just a ploy.

Modi and Hindu India are the targets and always have been

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Feb 2021 14:37

INC chamcha journalist Saket Gokhale is now saying that Print & Shekhar Gupta is a chamcha of BJP/NaMo. How quickly they turn on their own even if deviated slightly from prescribed narrative.

I think one of the grand aims of the current movement by libs is to de-legitimise Indian election process by 2024 and in-turn declare (at least on a global level) that elections were rigged. Except 2-3 engineers cum hackers in Western world claim they have hacked Indian EVMs...this will happen just before 2024 elections so that to give an impression that fix cannot be implemented in short time and hence EVMs were hacked to rig the elections.

All the above depends if NaMo wants to run in 2024. I don't think he has announced publicly about running for 3rd term.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 14:42

Zynda wrote:INC chamcha journalist Saket Gokhale is now saying that Print & Shekhar Gupta is a chamcha of BJP/NaMo. How quickly they turn on their own even if deviated slightly from prescribed narrative.

I think one of the grand aims of the current movement by libs is to de-legitimise Indian election process by 2024 and in-turn declare (at least on a global level) that elections were rigged. Except 2-3 engineers cum hackers in Western world claim they have hacked Indian EVMs...this will happen just before 2024 elections so that to give an impression that fix cannot be implemented in short time and hence EVMs were hacked to rig the elections.

All the above depends if NaMo wants to run in 2024. I don't think he has announced publicly about running for 3rd term.

2024: He will campaign, run and take office too and quit midterm when he turns 70.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Feb 2021 14:53

What is special about 70? I do hope he stays at least till 2029...and hopefully by gods grace he will be in shape (both physically & mentally) for the job till 2029.

Vadivel · Post by **Vadivel** » 07 Feb 2021 15:10

Zynda wrote:What is special about 70? I do hope he stays at least till 2029...and hopefully by gods grace he will be in shape (both physically & mentally) for the job till 2029.

BJP has a policy of moving 70+ to seniors forum or something, most of the oldies, LK Advani, Murali Manohar, Shourie were denied ministerial berths because it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 15:30

Zynda wrote:What is special about 70? I do hope he stays at least till 2029...and hopefully by gods grace he will be in shape (both physically & mentally) for the job till 2029.

that is their rule.

he made others leave at that age, so he will not stay beyond that

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 15:43

Larry Walker wrote:With this current round of mini insurrection now deflating, what still bothers me is the ability of BIF to whip up emotional frenzy on pure legislative issues. Somehow I get the feeling that more than 50% of whoever supported these 'farmers' did so just on emotions of supporting farmers and not out of any hatred for Modi or Hindus. Though the core of this movement was pure BIF and Khalistani. Somewhere I am praying that GoI has by now learnt the technique of ensuring that these supposed insurrections don't devolve into emotive battles or atleast stop out these before it misleads larger sections.

They have already shifted the Overton window...

That is how it works.

khalistan is being openly discussed now.

Vadivel · Post by **Vadivel** » 07 Feb 2021 15:46

It’s 75 I think not 70.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 15:58

Vadivel wrote:It’s 75 I think not 70.

Whatever. There is a pre decided age limit that has been set.

He is already 70 years now

DOB 17 September 1950

so if he follows rules, which he will, he will leave mid term after the 2024 elections.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 07 Feb 2021 16:05

I believe he has already indicated that he will not be PM for more than 2 terms. So he may not run in 2024.

I am basing this on a reply to a question from a student - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/teacher ... nse-659777

Lets see...

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 07 Feb 2021 16:20

V_Raman wrote:I believe he has already indicated that he will not be PM for more than 2 terms. So he may not run in 2024.

I am basing this on a reply to a question from a student - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/teacher ... nse-659777

Lets see...

Maybe he was referring to time when that student will become eligible to contest in elections? At age of 25. Considering he is 15 and reading in class 10?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 16:24

V_Raman wrote:I believe he has already indicated that he will not be PM for more than 2 terms. So he may not run in 2024.

I am basing this on a reply to a question from a student - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/teacher ... nse-659777

Lets see...

his answer can be interpreted in more ways than one

he will run.

No where has he said that he would not run.

people are voting for Modi personally, and not for the BJP.

If he announces anything like that, it will be a body blow to his supporters and the chances of the BJP coming back in 2024 is highly doubtful.

even today, Modi's personal ratings in every state except two are extremely high, much to pappu's and lootyens/naxal chagrin.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 07 Feb 2021 16:39

Beyond passing UCC - I dont think Modi will be interested - he has removed most, if not all of the glaring structural flaws in the system with that. I think he will fix land registration as that is a systemic structural issue. he would want to solve the border issue - another structural one. I dont see him as a "hindu pm" working on things like temple control or RTE or cow slaughter or removing secular etc - he has not given any indication of that till date - beyond that - removing corruption is arguably the biggest item plaguing india - that will take 50 years - maybe more - even beyond modi...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2021 17:00

V_Raman wrote:Beyond passing UCC - I dont think Modi will be interested - he has removed most, if not all of the glaring structural flaws in the system with that. I think he will fix land registration as that is a systemic structural issue. he would want to solve the border issue - another structural one. I dont see him as a "hindu pm" working on things like temple control or RTE or cow slaughter or removing secular etc - he has not given any indication of that till date - beyond that - removing corruption is arguably the biggest item plaguing india - that will take 50 years - maybe more - even beyond modi...

the bharat ratna and/or the president's gaddi is always there if he wants it, post retirement

the panicked and demoralized pakis may even give him the nishan-e-pakistan, just for leaving