Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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chetak wrote:what happens now..........

will the talibs stone, rape, flog and maim people in the women's council who disagree with them


Afghanistan just took its seat on the UN women's rights commission and if the new Taliban regime gets recognized it means the terrorists who lash women and girls for going to work and school will be sitting on the world's top women's rights body.


We are pleased to announce AFG's historic win on the election of Members of the UN Commission on Status of Women (@UN_CSW) for the term 2021-2025. Despite AFG being a member of the UN since 1946, this will be the first time AFG will occupy a seat on this important commission.
viaAfghanistan Mission@AfghanMissionUN · Sep 15, 2020
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its like members of UN human rights council:
Paxtan
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Afghanistan
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All stalwarts No :rotfl:
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Meet Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, the top Taliban leader who was once at Indian Military Academy.

One of the Taliban's seven most powerful figures, Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai was a cadet at the prestigious Indian Military Academy (IMA) in Uttarakhand's Dehradun.

Stanikzai, who was a deputy foreign minister in the last Taliban regime, is in contrast to his peers, considered to be highly educated. According to a Times of India report, Stanikzai was known as 'Sheru' among the 1982 batchmates of the IMA.

He was 20 years old when he was one of 45 cadets at the IMA from the Bhagat Battalion's Keren Company. He was trained at the officers` academy in the 1970s, under the Indo-Afghan defence cooperation programme.

Born in 1963 in the Baraki Barak district of Logar province of Afghanistan, Stanikzai is ethnically a Pashtun.

Major General DA Chaturvedi (retired), his batchmate and a recipient of the Param Vishisht Seva Medal, Ati Vishisht Seva Medal and Sena Medal, described Stanikzai as a "likeable guy". "He was an average Afghan cadet who seemed to be enjoying his time here,” the newspaper quoted him as saying.

In the 1980s, he left the Afghan Army, which he had joined as a lieutenant, and joined "Jihad" against the Soviet army, fighting with Nabi Mohammadi`s Harakat-e Inqilab-e Islami and Abd ul Rasul Sayaf`s Ittehad-e-Islami, as commander of its south-western front. Harakat is the mujahidin faction considered closest to the Taliban both in terms of worldview and personnel and included Mullah Omar in its ranks. When the Taliban came to power in 1996, Stanakzai served as deputy minister of foreign affairs and later deputy minister of Public Health of the insurgent regime.

According to analyst Kate Clark, the English speaking "soldier" was the face of the Taliban for the west. But he was never trusted by his boss, the then foreign minister Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil Abdul Ghaffar who later defected from the Taliban when the US started attacks on Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden.
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China’s warm welcome for Taliban sparks backlash at home
BEIJING: China is struggling at home to sell the Taliban as a suitable partner for a country waging a war on alleged Islamic extremism, as it prepares to embrace an Afghanistan led by the militant group.
State media and diplomatic attempts to paper over the group’s past and present it as the “people’s choice” have met sharp criticism at home from those familiar with militant organization’s history of violence and repression of women. Beijing has long linked the Taliban with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which it has blamed for terrorist attacks in Xinjiang.
Now, in the wake of the chaotic exit of US troops, China is embracing the group’s return to rule, a strategic U-turn that has left many at home feeling whiplashed. Further instability in Afghanistan could impact neighboring Pakistan, where China has $50 billion in Belt and Road investments, and send extremism over its border.
Foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying appeared to moderate the official messaging at a news briefing Thursday, pointing to foreign commentary characterizing the Taliban as “more clear-headed and rational” than during its first period in power 20 years ago.
“Some people stress their distrust for the Afghan Taliban. We want to say that nothing is unchanged forever,” Hua said. “We need to see the past and present. We need to listen to words and watch actions.”
Later Friday, she attempted to refocus the conversation on the failure of America to impose democracy on Afghans. “As facts have shown, democracy has no set model, just like cold milk doesn’t agree with the Chinese people’s stomach, and Americans are not used to using chopsticks,” she said. :roll:
The People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, posted a brief video history of the Taliban on Monday without mentioning its links to terrorism. The 60-second clip said the group was formed during Afghanistan’s civil war by “students in refugee camps” and expanded with the “support from the poor,” adding that it “has been in a war with the US for 20 years since the Sept. 11 event.”
The post, which was later deleted, became the fifth-ranked trending top on Weibo, after prompting a huge backlash from users questioning why party newspaper tried to whitewash the group. Some cited its violent past, including beheading people in the streets, destroying the famed Bamiyan Buddhas and banning women from work and study.
Foreign Ministry comments professing China’s respect for “the will and choice of the Afghan people,” suggesting the Taliban had popular support in the country, similarly raised questions. A post on the WeChat blog “Philosophia” asking “Is Taliban the choice of the Afghanistan people?” was read more than 100,000 times, and widely shared on social media platforms, before it was censored Thursday.
The possibility of Afghanistan women losing hard-won opportunities to study and work hit at a sensitive time in China. Incidents such as the arrests of celebrity Kris Wu on rape allegations and an Alibaba Group Holding Ltd executive on a sexual assault charge have fanned a new wave of criticism against the entrenched patriarchy.
After a female Afghan filmmaker’s plea for the world to pay attention to her country was scrubbed from Chinese social media sites, some users lashed out. “The voice of Afghan people have all been censored by you!” one woman wrote.
Even the state broadcaster has found it hard to carve a single narrative -- but appeared to have adopted a dual track for domestic and international audiences.
“People in Afghanistan are scared and some women are choosing to stay home,” the state-backed China Global Television Network said in an English report targeting Western audiences on Wednesday. “The Taliban has not given specifics on what respecting women’s rights within the framework of Islam will entail.”
On the same day, a Chinese-language report in CCTV4, the state broadcaster’s channel for international news, spun a more optimistic picture. While acknowledging some women expressed worries for future, the report said the situation in Kabul was “gradually returning to normal” and the Taliban had made multiple promises, including protecting women’s rights, including allowing them to work and study.
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Many MSM including the TOIlet are highlighting his nickname Sheru to make him more palatable... :roll:
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^^^ Why is the GOI squandering resources on Sikhs in Afghanistan?

Where is Khalsa Aid? World Sikh Federation? The Sikh Students Organisation ( for 70 year old college students)? Amreeki Sikhs need to step up with the foot massagers.


Roar like a lion in india. Whimper like a kicked cur in Afghanistan.
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rsingh wrote:...A legitimate country is deprived if reserves and kept under sanctions....,Belarus. All over arrest of journalist
apparantly, the belarus sanctions had nothing to do with journalistic freedom or hooman rights. All came down to moolah (i.e. potash). check out who are largest producers. but, i digress

Belarus potash exporter says sanctions will increase global prices
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yensoy wrote:
chetak wrote: via@MariekeWalsh · 17 Aug
Nonsense double talk from slick Trudeau. Who ever asked about them to be immigrated into Canada? Get them out first and send them back home from wherever the plane was headed (usually to some place in the gulf).
Apparently they have all now been evacuated - per the same twitter account above. Don't know where to though.
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Their persecuted minority tag will easily get them into US & Europe. Why will they come to India? The whole CAA headache is for nothing !
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Not for Hindus ... there is no other refuge other than India.
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LoL ! Why wouldn't an Afghani Hindu go to EU or US as a refugee with $$ of assistance for years, free social housing, free education for kids & good health care but choose to live in camps/tents in India where in 6 months no one would care they are alive or not ? Unless there are very strong bonds with families in India, in the current situation, most would go elsewhere because thanks to Taliban, those doors are opening up.
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Remembering these images as I hear stories of taliban supermen,

https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/photograp ... tag-books/

Magnum Photos' Thomas Dworzak's series, "Taliban" is a collection of photographs of Taliban fighters he found in a photo studio in Kandahar, Afghanistan while on a trip there in 2001. "They [the Taliban] chose to look like that.
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On the question of Pak terror camps in Afghanistan, we need to start pushing hard for Nirbhay so that these can be used to fly through Northern Areas in PoK, through the Wakhan corridor. It is 600KM from Ladakh!

It can fly hugging the PoK China border, through the mountains in to Afghanistan. It will be flying through Indian territory anyways. If Pak asks, we can deny it. Since there are "no" LeT camps, there was no strikes!
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that britshit general wasn't just talking off the top of his head, his boss also says so


UK will work with Taliban if needed: PM Boris Johnson



https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2021-08-20
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There was news of China patrolling Wakhan corridor a couple of months back. With Taliban being favourable to China I would foresee China creating an alternate route to Pakistan. This may help them bypass the Karakoram Highway which could get threatened if India ever start acting up on PoK.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1428253559741501447

Barking a different note. Contemptible.
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It is hard to not see comparisons of present with the past: Mushharraff begged Bush to let him lift his Atankvadi boys in that Evil Airlift of Kunduz. Now Uncle is begging the Talibs the TSP frontend for the airlift. An ignominious turn of events in just weeks. Lesson that in the game one small error and victors are reduced to licking dust.

The scale of the operation, its speed, and a well-thought strategy evident behind it clearly points to two things: First, the campaign was planned carefully over an extended period of time well in advance. Second, the scale of strategic preparation, intelligence, communications, transport, secret deals and the ammo were assembled and planned by an army and a well-functioning intelligence agency, not by a ragtag illiterate insurgency.

The strategy was remarkable, well executed and disciplined: They first took the perimeter cities and got control of the border. Then demoralized the government by taking far-flung Herat, Mazar and Kunduz. The core cities of kabul and Kandahar came last. The population had nowhere to go except be holed up in city centers. TSP on it's side has fenced border years ago and so prevented any refugees from coming in. Smart of them.

TSP undoubtedly sent their "Col. Imams" with the T2.0 on ground but knew they can't use airpower. So they hit upon a very ingenious and creative, though incredibly cold-blooded, plan: For last 6 months they have waged an assassination campaign on the pilots of nascent air force of A'stan in the streets of Kabul and Kandahar. I wonder how they got the names names and addresses of the pilots.

TSP slipped up slightly when T2.0 took Spin Boldak and ANDSF was going to use air power. They let Amrullah Saleh know that TSP air force will swing into action if that happens. Later they backtracked when it was clear that Spin Boldak wasn't in any danger of being re-captured.

TSP has came out as a clear winner in this: no refugees, full control in a week. Now they lead PRC, Russia into A'stan. Even uncle will rely on TSP for access to A'stan. This is a high-point for TSP.
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Meanwhile Taliban and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Flags have been hoisted in Lal Masjid and many FATA areas on pakistani territory :lol: .
TTP has already declared that they will establish an independent country of parts where the Pashtun speaking population of pakistan resides.

You mentioned 'high point for pakistan'. Well we will see. We all know how gifted pakistanis are in Strategic thinking.
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Taliban is not what it was 20 years ago.

Paki and chinese apologist (A)bhadrakumar has started his service of lifafa journalism.

Check what the chuitya has written:

"Taliban has transformed into an incredibly diverse movement that made inroads into all communities and ethnic groups (Yeah check the Hazara killings that have already started) , has diversified external relations in the West and East alike, and is hankering for legitimacy".
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surinder wrote:
TSP undoubtedly sent their "Col. Imams" with the T2.0 on ground but knew they can't use airpower. So they hit upon a very ingenious and creative, though incredibly cold-blooded, plan: For last 6 months they have waged an assassination campaign on the pilots of nascent air force of A'stan in the streets of Kabul and Kandahar. I wonder how they got the names names and addresses of the pilots.

apparently uncles idea to biometric identification of all afghan military who worked with them ostensibly secure them from taliban., once all said and done they turned it over to the Taliban !

remember that saying to be Americas friend is worse than being its enemy ? ., they are sure to throw their friend under the bus at the first opportunity
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Time to take back PoK and drop thousands of maps a flags for TTP that covers entire NWFP.
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What’s 50 Times More Dangerous Than Afghanistan?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-with ... opin_pos_1
“We found ourselves in an incredibly bizarre situation, where you are paying the country that created your enemy so that it will let you keep fighting that enemy,” says Sarah Chayes, a former adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a phone interview. “If you wanted to win the war, you had to crack down on Pakistan. If you wanted to conduct operations [in Afghanistan] you had to mollify Pakistan.”
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Well orchestrated plan. Limiting American casualties makes it that much easier to build up the fiction of a peaceful and changed Taliban.

David Petraeus Reflects on the Afghan Debacle
“It’s way over 60,000 dead. Roughly 27 times as many Afghans died fighting for their country as did Americans.” He points out that it’s been 18 months since the last U.S. combat death in the country.
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Manas wrote:What’s 50 Times More Dangerous Than Afghanistan?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-with ... opin_pos_1
“We found ourselves in an incredibly bizarre situation, where you are paying the country that created your enemy so that it will let you keep fighting that enemy,” says Sarah Chayes, a former adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a phone interview. “If you wanted to win the war, you had to crack down on Pakistan. If you wanted to conduct operations [in Afghanistan] you had to mollify Pakistan.”

Nothing bizzare about it. Anyone who follows non MSM news in US knows that Afghan war was all about shared gravy train between US MIC and Pakis. Pakis weren't playing US, US was playing its own self to enrich the private war contractors. That gravy train has come to an end as there is another one opened in Syria and Pakis got Afghanistan on platter after making more than 30 billion dollars over the last 20 years. Everyone profited except the poor Afghanis.
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Vips wrote:Meanwhile Taliban and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Flags have been hoisted in Lal Masjid and many FATA areas on pakistani territory :lol: .
TTP has already declared that they will establish an independent country of parts where the Pashtun speaking population of pakistan resides.

You mentioned 'high point for pakistan'. Well we will see. We all know how gifted pakistanis are in Strategic thinking.
Bismillah to that .
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Vips wrote:Taliban is not what it was 20 years ago.

Paki and chinese apologist (A)bhadrakumar has started his service of lifafa journalism.

Check what the chuitya has written:

"Taliban has transformed into an incredibly diverse movement that made inroads into all communities and ethnic groups (Yeah check the Hazara killings that have already started) , has diversified external relations in the West and East alike, and is hankering for legitimacy".
"Incredibly Diverse". :roll: Why does one do this to oneself? Who buys this diverse bullshit? It is like one of those folks going gaga over Taliban allowing a TV presenter to show face or conducting a "press conference". :rotfl: How did this person even get ambassador ship? Embarassing.
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chetak wrote:that britshit general wasn't just talking off the top of his head, his boss also says so


UK will work with Taliban if needed: PM Boris Johnson



https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2021-08-20
You have no idea how Europeans are relieved by having an EU sans Anglaise.
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Right. How many women in the Taliban? Okay, I'll settle for men without beards in lieu of women :evil:
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Manas wrote:Wait a minute, that is uncalled for. ...

BTW the mess in Afghanistan is moderate compared to the mess on the southern border !
LOL, Manas, that was very well put, especailly the part about Gen. White Rage and Mr. Diverse Sec Def. :D

Sec Def seems to permanently have a dazed, confused look on his face at press conferences and public appearances (standing behind Biden). Gen. White Rage and SecDef Black Daze.

And you're right about the mess on the southern border. All things considered, Dems seem to be eagerly looking forward to the next Big Bang terror attack (which their media mouthpieces, along with their voting base of suburban soccer moms, will of course blame on Trump's mean tweets).
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From Terroristan thread

think india has full right to activate RAW to do the usefull in Harami land. Somebody has to stop and punish menace called Bakistan. We have to take care of nukes. I like Germanys stand. Not a single cents of stans. I wonder why Germany is still in NATO? Whome they are afraid of? This humiliation will not pass easily. Even little countries like Belgium have some anger . What was all this? Mind you Russia is playing right card.
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OMG
runditv reporting 150 Indians kidnapped by Bunnies from the Airport!!! :eek: :eek:
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Rsatchi wrote:OMG
runditv reporting 150 Indians kidnapped by Bunnies from the Airport!!! :eek: :eek:
Lets not give in to sensationalism from tabloid sources. Nothing off that sort is being reported: the Taliban has stopped around 70-80 Hindu and Sikh Afghan Nationals from boarding planes. Yes it is an effective death sentence for them, but they are not Indian citizens.


https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-7464332/
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Manas wrote:What’s 50 Times More Dangerous Than Afghanistan?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-with ... opin_pos_1
“We found ourselves in an incredibly bizarre situation, where you are paying the country that created your enemy so that it will let you keep fighting that enemy,” says Sarah Chayes, a former adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a phone interview. “If you wanted to win the war, you had to crack down on Pakistan. If you wanted to conduct operations [in Afghanistan] you had to mollify Pakistan.”
They had 20 bloody years to make some kind of peace agreement with the Iranians to secure overland access. Iran would have loved to get off the embargo and would have even dealt with Israel in one way or another. Obama even made some gains in that direction but they got nixed by Trump's lobbies which had to be more Israeli than Israel itself. US strategic thinking is dead and they deserve the mess they are in. Except, everyone around the world holding US dollars is paying for it.
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Manas wrote:What’s 50 Times More Dangerous Than Afghanistan?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-with ... opin_pos_1
“We found ourselves in an incredibly bizarre situation, where you are paying the country that created your enemy so that it will let you keep fighting that enemy,” says Sarah Chayes, a former adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a phone interview. “If you wanted to win the war, you had to crack down on Pakistan. If you wanted to conduct operations [in Afghanistan] you had to mollify Pakistan.”
They had 20 bloody years to make some kind of peace agreement with the Iranians to secure overland access. Iran would have loved to get off the embargo and would have even dealt with Israel in one way or another. Obama even made some gains in that direction but they got nixed by Trump's lobbies which had to be more Israeli than Israel itself. US strategic thinking is dead and they deserve the mess they are in. Except, everyone around the world holding US dollars is paying for it.
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A particular community is cheering for the taliban, but when these beasts unleash their horror and atrocities on the hapless afghan women & minorities, these cheering morons will say "oh this is not true 1$l@m", as though a truer version actually existed.

What a bunch of hypocrites!



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Saar, noi need to post such pic. Those who wanted to know, they know. For other there is no ilaz.
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Desi media are reporting around 150 Indian nationals have been kidnapped by the taliban but there are other reports that say Indian nationals are safe but have been prevented from reaching the airport. As usual our media is busy putting makeup on taliban v2.0 and calling them uncorrupt and traditionalists than do proper investigative reporting to check how many Indians are still stuck in Afghanistan and what steps GoI is taking to evacuate them safely.
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AmbarJi
A sample of our Media investigating:(mind you rNDTV)
An Indian trader reached Kandahar July 13.
He is a wholesale trader in dry fruits/nuts
Still stuck in Kandahar
The news anchor never asked why go to Afghanistan during this turmoil.
Furthermore, why did he not heed to Government directive to leave the country when advised
Did u not try and contact embassy while the Kabul embassy was functioning!!
Indian Government issued security advisory on June 29 and July 24 and fresh advisory on 10th August
No either he is a brain-drained individual or rNDTV is making this up!!
so much for the Modi Hating media create as much confusion and chaos as possible!!
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Pratyush wrote:This Badri 313 is a bloody joke. I distinctly remember Al Qaeda having a Badar 313 brigade.

Besides why would an Islamist movement have a Badri 313 and not Badar 313?
Pratyush, not sure about an AQ brigade.
Brigade 313 was a terrorist tanzim founded by the one-eyed Ilyas Kashmiri, ex-Special Forces, TSPA.
For the uninitiated, 313 is the number of warriors in the battle of Badr in Prophet Mohammed’s time.
Members of this coalition were, in c. 2013 and 2014, fighting as part of ISIS against the Bashar al Assad regime.
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Wasn't it Ilyas Kashmiri's Brigade 313 which was responsible for Samjhauta Express blast ?
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SSridhar wrote:
Pratyush wrote:This Badri 313 is a bloody joke. I distinctly remember Al Qaeda having a Badar 313 brigade.

Besides why would an Islamist movement have a Badri 313 and not Badar 313?
Pratyush, not sure about an AQ brigade.
Brigade 313 was a terrorist tanzim founded by the one-eyed Ilyas Kashmiri, ex-Special Forces, TSPA.
For the uninitiated, 313 is the number of warriors in the battle of Badr in Prophet Mohammed’s time.
Members of this coalition were, in c. 2013 and 2014, fighting as part of ISIS against the Bashar al Assad regime.
In the south, I have seen a few vehicles on the road with 313 written on them

this is something that still excites the brain dead ghazis
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