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chetak wrote:
unless it was done to create chaos and leave it for the cheeni to handle long term, and bleeding them to divert both blood and treasure bigtime.
is it possible that the amerikis have sucked in the cheeni by forcing them into opening a new front
u think these morons in SD are that smart?
the cheeni are already whining.
the amerikis have already seen the abyss of paki blackhole, so why not wish it on the cheeni and get out from under at the same time.
The CPEC and all other cheeni efforts in the paki state are seriously bogged down due to the usual paki grab and loot tactics and the occasional helpful blast to trigger fear in the cheeni
they already have one illegitimate cry baby offspring and now suddenly another one has appeared in their backyard yard.
There is no crafty master plan behind this shambles of a surrender and retreat. It is the culmination of decades of hubris and cynical irresponsibility. If the Chinese are dumb enough to get sucked in, then that will just be an unanticipated silver lining.
The Good General is misreading the situation. The big mistake Pakistan made in Taliban 1.0 was that they did not limit Jihad to India, they exported it to the world. They are trying to make amends in Taliban 2.0, by making them nice to the world and limit their Jihad exports to India. Expect statements about Jihad, Cashmere, with associated training camps for various alphabet soup of Pakistani jihadis.
The Bunnies V2.0 is acting all statesman-like for two reasons
1. Afghanistan is a basket case, you cannot govern the country without foreign aid. Foreign aid will stop flowing if they behave like Taliban 1.0
2. Pakistan is now joined in the hip with the Taliban. The various talibs in news conferences drove up from Pakistan, Mullah Brother-in-Law* visited Doha and China on Pakistani passport. Talibs becoming 1.0 will mean Pakistan will be in the dog house, which means FATF and IMF and periodic US arms/Ammo will dry up
The strategy would be to be nice to the west, get the Baksheesh and sponsor terror in India. How that help India exactly?
4 marines among 40 dead, 120 critically wounded. Pakistan will milk this ISIS bogyman to the last dollar ! Already US seems to have given the taliban a clean chit blaming the ISIS for the attack, Pakistan will now offer to temporarily open its borders to Afghanis and expect billions in aid . They will also say the deteriorating security climate requires military aid ,rinse and repeat.
In Syria, ISIS was portrayed as the archvillain so that the US could claim that its "freedom coalition" against Assad (including Free Syrian Army, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, HTS) was somehow morally superior.
Today ISIS is being portrayed as the archvillain in Afghanistan so that the Taliban and Pakistanis can similarly be portrayed as "the good guys" by contrast.
The U.S. offered a $5 million reward for info leading to the capture of Khalil Ur-Rahman Haqqani. Now he's the self-proclaimed head of security in Kabul.
Ambar wrote:4 marines among 40 dead, 120 critically wounded. Pakistan will milk this ISIS bogyman to the last dollar ! Already US seems to have given the taliban a clean chit blaming the ISIS for the attack, Pakistan will now offer to temporarily open its borders to Afghanis and expect billions in aid . They will also say the deteriorating security climate requires military aid ,rinse and repeat.
indeed and hold out threat of nukes falling to the the bunnies., more like the pakis holding a gun to their own head and threatening the yanks and chinks
ramana wrote:Gautam, We should study the equipment and training given to ANA for it might explain lot of gaps as to why it yielded so quickly.
I have read about a number of conspiracy theories on this (the fall of ANA). But it will take some time before we know what is true. We are going through interesting times.
Gautam
4th blast. I feel the whole airport is under attack. If Talibunnies were supposed to give safety passage according to US, is this their idea of giving safe passage?
The MSM in US is fully out to defend Biden and already started blaming ISIS.
the biden administration is going to get it in the neck with bhen joe biden as the prime target.
mylapore maami will be among the collaterals when the approval ratings drop even further.
the pakis are playing with fire, even as the disgraced sooooper power will surely lash out.
Nope, they'll be fine. It is unreal how partisan mainstream media is these days be it in India or the US, the big media is already giving Biden plenty of cover fire, and the opposition is too fractured to ask tough questions.
It is always something with seemingly no big strategic value which sets off a domino affect. Afghanistan is geographically important but when it comes to global trade, political, economic or diplomatic clout it hardly has any value. But yet this taliban blitzkrieg has set a chain reaction which we haven't seen since the fall of the Berlin wall 32 yrs ago. US and NATO packing up and leaving Afghanistan overnight, Pakistan installing their favorite puppets, Turkey making a mark in the region, Iran welcoming a hardline sunni deobandi government in Kabul and Qatar orchestrating the whole thing from Doha.
If the world isn't interesting enough already today came the news that a very high level delegation from UAE have travelled to Qatar to meet the King. There is so much smoke from the burning Afghanistan that no one can clearly see who is playing on which side.
FOX News as of 33 min ago was still saying only 2 blasts. One (soosai) at Abbey Gate right outside airport, the other (vehicular IED) at Baron Hotel about 200 m away.
i'm still thinking what's the game plan here? We are a week away from full withdrawal and all these attacks make no sense.
Is this another Paki trick to keep the gravy train flowing?
vimal wrote:i'm still thinking what's the game plan here? We are a week away from full withdrawal and all these attacks make no sense.
Is this another Paki trick to keep the gravy train flowing?
It could be. Or it could be ISIS extracting some revenge for killing of their chief. And many troops massed up at a single airport seems like a juicy target.
I think we need to analyse this a little critically.
1) "ISIS", as in any genuine affiliate of the Daesh, stands to gain absolutely *nothing* by slowing down or possibly stopping the American withdrawal from Afghanistan-- the goal towards which these attacks are clearly directed. If ISIS-K want to establish Khorasan, it would be much easier for them to do it after the US with its B-52s and Predators and everything else has retreated. So it's purely a label for some other actor's doing.
2) There is only one party that stands to gain something by US continuing its presence in Afghanistan. Pakistan's first option would have been a purely Pindi-controlled Taliban govt that was not getting recognition from any other country, and therefore depended 400% on Pakistan for trade, supplies, diplomatic representation etc. But that has not happened. Taliban govt has shown every sign of wanting to go its own way, from dealing directly with Cheens/Russians to making overtures to India, promising not to intervene in Kashmir, etc.
3) Since Pakistan cannot have its first option, and has seemingly been thwarted of it, their second option is to have the US maintain at least some level of presence in Afghanistan so that Pindi can keep extracting money as CSF. US presence in Afghanistan is somewhat of a hedge against Indian retaliation for terrorist attacks in J&K, and an insurance against landing up on the FATF blacklist. It is also a hedge against being completely beholden to China (right now they are 99% beholden to China, but US presence in Afghanistan restricts China's degree of freedom in the region).
4) Besides the motive, Pakistan very definitely had the means and opportunity to carry out this attack. We know LeT and JeM cadres have been sighted in Kabul and elsewhere in Afghanistan.
In fact, it was very curious that some so-called "Talibans" tried to stop Indian diplomatic staff from reaching the airport a few days ago... but after some time the Indians were allowed to leave. Why? I can easily imagine a situation where some LeT/ISI-field commanders wanted to seize the opportunity to kidnap 150 Kulbushan Jadhavs... but they were told to stand down, because such an act would have compromised the ability to catch the much bigger fish (today's attacks).
5) What does Pakistan gain besides prolonging the US presence in Afghanistan? They might also be planning to blame India for the attack. Notice a few things:
A) Who were the original ISIS-K? Where did they get their cadres? SSridhar ji has detailed how they came to be. After the Zarb-e-Azb operation put TTP on the backfoot, TTP essentially splintered into two groups. One group went back to the Taliban mothership and focused on fighting the Americans/ANG. The other group became the ISIS-K. So basically , ISIS-K itself is essentially a creation of ISI like Ilyas Kashmiri's 313 Brigade.
B ) In the meantime Pakis have been screaming a mile-a-minute that India is the sponsor of TTP, because it wants to use them against Pakistan. It is a simple matter to extend this calumny to ISIS-K as well. All they have to do is catch some Malayali Jihadi (who went to Afghanistan to clean toilets for ISIS-K), "discover" that he has a (forged) Indian Aadhaar Card, and shout from the rooftops that they have "proof" of Indian involvement in the Kabul airport bombings. NY Times, Washington Post, and of course "Indian" Aandolanjeevis will do the rest, putting the story on infinite repeat, endlessly comparing Hindutva GOI to ISIS (vis-a-vis the "Moderate Taliban 2.0), describing Pakistan as the eternal victim, etc.
vimal wrote:i'm still thinking what's the game plan here? We are a week away from full withdrawal and all these attacks make no sense.
Is this another Paki trick to keep the gravy train flowing?
U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate “Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.
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The issue came up during a classified briefing on Capitol Hill earlier this week, which turned contentious after top Biden administration officials defended their close coordination with the Taliban. Biden officials contended that it was the best way to keep Americans and Afghans safe and prevent a shooting war between Taliban fighters and the thousands of U.S. troops stationed at the airport.
After the fall of Kabul, in the earliest days of the evacuation, the joint U.S. military and diplomatic coordination team at the airport provided the Taliban with a list of people the U.S. aimed to evacuate. Those names included Afghans who served alongside the U.S. during the 20-year war and sought special immigrant visas to America. U.S. citizens, dual nationals and lawful permanent residents were also listed.
“They had to do that because of the security situation the White House created by allowing the Taliban to control everything outside the airport,” one U.S. official said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mailonline ISIS claim responsibility for Kabul attacks that have killed at least 72 - including 12 US soldiers - and name suicide bomber who blew himself up checkpoint manned by US Marines
I think there will be retaliation. I hope they target Pakistani targets as well. This is really sad and I simply cannot understand this lust for violence and killings amongst a group of humans. Makes me wonder if there will ever be peace and re-conciliation with them.
It is curious that ISIS-K is being blamed so fast while Taliban 2.0 is not. There isn't much of a difference between the two. Fighters go back and forth between the two. There are only minor difference in ideology or tactics between the two.
ISIS-K itself is also controlled and managed by Pakistan. Recruits from India (Kerela) have been trained by them and put into their organization.
Can this attack have been carried out by someone that wants to keep the US in Afghanistan? Will the US finally take down the real culprits - Pakistan, Haqqani Network?
They'll fire some obligatory tomahawks, drop few LGBs , have drones drop hellfires on hideouts of couple of so called "masterminds" and call it a day. The fact that even before the attack they were willing to believe the bogyman of ISIS proves that taliban and its benefactors will not pay the price, as a matter of fact they are about to extract billions in aid from uncle sam.
Really trying hard to play down expectations that every American in Afghanistan will be retrieved-- much less, every Afghan that worked with the US.
Some of the US reporters were asking relevant questions. Then "Amir" from Associated Press was called upon and threw an extreme softball question. AP as we have discussed earlier is thoroughly infested with jihadis. Funny that these swine are doing their best to try and defend Biden's position even when MSM (who backed Biden to the hilt) are beginning to express doubt.
US providing list of people for letting through means, they have a ISI liaison chap in the TB. The confidence to deal with TB is due to the fact that US knows it is the ISI chaps.
Given the alphabet soup of terrorist organisations operating there, how can anyone blame a single entity right now? If its today ABC, tomorrow it will be XYZ. I doubt, Pakistan can control this now.
