Aditi Parikh : My response was in reply to people who claimed that justice is easily available for crimes against women in India compared to those in Pakistan. I merely pointed out that it wasn't so - in India too, despite living in a free and democratic society where it is easy for a woman to take a crime to court, it is very difficult for her to obtain justice.
In India, it is as easy for women to get justice as easy it is for men. The courts are slow for BOTH, men as well as women. Ther person was saying that courts in Pak disfavor women compared to men.
My examples simply point to the fact that while such crimes against women have been challenged in court, the courts have let off the criminals easily and eventually justice has been denied to seekers. Just the fact that you can report a crime is not enough - eventually people want justice be done to them and in crimes against women especially, this often times doesn't happen.
The second MOST important factor behind high level of crime was laziness of courts (first factor being lack of regular incomes for most women). It is upto the courts (=judges) to resolve the cases promptly/fairly. They dont and dont know anyway to fix these judges. What solution do you propose?
Originally posted by Sai_NT:
Said 30-year-old Chitra Saha: "People here are born spectators. They won't do anything unless the victim is someone close to them."
The statement is COMPLETELY wrong. I was in Rutgers University in US long time back, and some hoodlooms got into University bus; they had a brawl with the driver and they started beating the driver. Every passanger, most were young able bodied students, just sat and was a spectators. The hoodlooms then ran away. But within 30 minustes, cops came, and students co-operated. By the next day the policemen had arrested the hoodlooms.
So my point is, in MOST country, the citizens DO NOT react DIRECTLY to crimes. And ONLY A FOOLISH
will say that he is mere "spectator". And in countries where policmen/courts are fast/fair, the citizens co-operate with policemen/courts who imprison the criminal. The onsu of direct action ALWAYS lies on policemen/courts. The citizens pay them taxes, and are thus participant in the process of subdueing the criminal.
In India the citizens DO NOT co-operate with policemen/courts, and fault lies on corrupt/callouse policemen/judges NOT in the citizens.
Sure, this would no happen in south india! unless its all planned and protected. never in public.
Wait for just another 10-20 years. What happens in Bihar today will happen in rest of the India within 10-20 years.
"The fear of losing one's life is so much that no one tries to help. Everybody wants to see himself safe," said Ramesh Chandra, a regular bus traveller
Another mindless Indian-basher. In EVERY country, people are afraid of loosing their life/limb first. In India, the fear is more because of lack of insurance, general poverty and low level of martial trainning, but in US too people seldom intervene DIRECTLY to help a victim who is being mugged. It is always policemen/courts who do the direct action.
Psychologist Vandana Ghura said: "Life here has become very mechanical. People don't have time to get involved in things that don't affect them directly. This is unfortunate and shows the degradation of our society.
100% balooney, but then what else can you expect from a psychologist? How is mechanicalness of the liufe related to violence against women? Life is far more mechanical in US/UK and people have much less time for others. Yet crimes against women are far fewer in US/UK. Psychologist just draw some conclusions and state without ever checking it with other countries. There professional common-men bashers should be ignored as far as possible.
"Co-passengers stare at girls with dirty smiles. 'Look, she has been molested' is the attitude. Others remain silent. Nobody comes to help. Not even police."
There some sick people, but majority of them identify themselves with the victim. No one ever sides with the criminal. As I said, this psychologist is professional common-men-basher and is so busy bashing common men that he has no time to analyse REAL factors becuase of which violence against women is high in India (i.e. lack of regular income, lack of small unit houses, pathetically slkow/corrupt judges and policemen etc)
WONDER WHY THE PSHYCOLOGIST WOULD NOT THINK THAT THE VICTIM'S BOY FRIEND COULD BRING IN A GANG TO BEAT UP THE CULPRITS. PERHAPS, PEOPLE ARE TOO BUSY EVEN TO LOVE.
Bad idea. I would expect the girl to hire the hoodlooms and get the agressor beaten. It is a VERY bad idea for a woman to depend on husband, father, brother or boyfriend or any man for direct vigilante action.
The solution is that every woman MUST take trainning in weapon use, and keep weapons with her. If not a gun, pulling out a 12-inch knife and showing it to victim will help. Trust me, even if the victim kills the agressor, EVERYONE in bus will side with the victim and NOT with the agressor. Now policemen/judges have their own way of dealing with such cases, and I cant predict how they will handle it, except that they are sure to ask fro bribes.
Now I know some peace-mined Gandhians would not like my idea of that potential victims should arm themselves. But thats the ONLY practical short term solution. In a city with defunct/corrupt policemen/courts, you better buy weapons or prepare yourself to be another victim. No bystander can help you in city fulkl of corrupt policemen/judges. Thats the real world, take it or leave it.
The long term solution to violence against women problem is to provide incomex to women and fix the policemen/courts rather than bash the common men at the drop of the hat.
Police cannot do anything unless people help us. Public awareness is needed -- be it robbery or harassment of women.
Please read the statement twice. It is nothing but a typical common-man bashing statement. It means
1. public is NOT aware;
2. As such policemen/courts are all very eager to help the victims and imprison the aggresoors;
3. They cant as this damn damn common men (public) are stupid/ignorant/lazy fools
4. And so it is common men's fault that aggressors cant be imprisoned
Utter nonsense. Public is ALEADY aware. The policemen/courts are corrupt and it is the MAIN reason common men do not co-operate with them.
It is really sickening to see that so many many people have becomke full time common-men (aka "public") bashers.