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PM Imran looking to reinvigorate ties during Russia trip
The FO said Mr Khan’s meeting with President Putin would be “the highlight of the visit”
So no proper agenda for the visit. Just like the visit to China, I see desperation here and will be another useless exercise. In fact, considering the Ukraine crisis, this could be a net negative visit angering Pakistan's western donors. This looks like a self invited visit to Russia.
Aren't these guys the same ones who were chest thumping about having defeated Russians at the might of their USSR empire and beaten them back and caused it to collapse ? That merits a very warm red-carpet welcome doesn't it?
Actually this visit comes at an excellent time. West is laser focused on Putin's every move these days, and seeing him holding hands with IK is going to be rather negative for IK. Our benamis should buy ads in NYT, WaPo showing these photos and saying something like "congratulations IK and Putin for bringing in a new era". That will go down very well.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps IK is looking for an opportunity to do ‘image building’ by standing next to Modi. Other than that who in their right mind will imagine they can solve any dispute between India and TSP by holding a debate on television. Pakistan's Imran Khan Offers A TV Debate With PM Modi
Islamabad: Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said today that he would like to have a televised debate with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, to resolve differences between the two nations.
India and Pakistan have shared strained relations since gaining independence 75 years ago and fighting three wars since.
"I would love to debate with Narendra Modi on TV," Imran Khan told Russia Today in an interview, adding that it would be beneficial for the billion-plus people in the Indian subcontinent if differences could be resolved through debate.
Cyrano wrote:Aren't these guys the same ones who were chest thumping about having defeated ... the might of the.. USSR empire and beaten them back and caused it to collapse?
Vlad. Vlad. Putin does not forget. As a former KGB officer during the afghan campaign, Vlad developed a long bitter memory. Vlad is vindictive. Vlad will get his revenge at the cost of the penniless pakidiots who are about to bow in front of him at the Kremlin. This event should be televised. At that point, dimmy would have simultaneously pissed off the west, the tellibunnies and eyeran, and become the new, ever-willing pawn of the soviets.
That's right, the soviets are back. Together with the chinis, the east will be fascistically red, again, with the mercenaries for hire, the pakis.
Slightly out of topic but worth it:
Why Russia no longer regrets its invasion of Afghanistan
Now, however, the Russian government is considering reversing this earlier verdict, with the Duma set to approve a resolution officially reevaluating the intervention as one that took place within the bounds of international law and in the interests of the U.S.S.R.
The Kremlin is rewriting history to retrospectively justify intervention in countries such as Ukraine and Syria as it seeks to regain its status as a global power.
Dilbu wrote:Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said today that he would like to have a televised debate with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, to resolve differences between the two nations. "I would love to debate with Narendra Modi on TV," Imran Khan told Russia Today
Dimmy is a joke who still believes he is in middle school. A debate? If Modi asks dimwit to bugger off and declines the offer by saying that he is busy running a nation, what little respect will dimmy have?
I suspect that at his point they are so desperate and deprived for attention that they are really angling, not for the debate but for the 'bugger off' statement. I think that they do not even deserve that reaction.
Dilbu wrote:Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said today that he would like to have a televised debate with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, to resolve differences between the two nations. "I would love to debate with Narendra Modi on TV," Imran Khan told Russia Today
Dimmy is a joke who still believes he is in middle school. A debate? If Modi asks dimwit to bugger off and declines the offer by saying that he is busy running a nation, what little respect will dimmy have?
niazi will simply be ignored.
no one will go near a rabid jehadi animal
what if the little schitt brings his collection of katoris.
bajwa is pushing for this even as the FATF blacklist looms large
"I am not a believer in military conflicts. I believe the civilised societies resolve the difference through dialogues and countries that rely on military conflicts have not studied history properly," the PM told the interviewer.
Did Imran Khan call Russia uncivilized and lacking knowledge in history just before his maiden visit?
partha wrote:Did Imran Khan call Russia uncivilized and lacking knowledge in history just before his maiden visit?
And the US and China. So it is true. Fools wander where angels fear to tread. Apparently, no one knows the Ukraine-Russia issue better than Im the dim.
The beloved Gen. Bajwa’s recent visit to Europe had been ridiculed by a ‘Notorious’ forum member just because of his missing ‘Bamboo’.
The Gov of Paxi had swung into action and Tallel than mountain friend is helping as well. Take it SDREs very soon Paxi Bamboos will be real TFTA..
“China and INBAR are willing to help Pakistan research suitable bamboo species and share relevant technologies, equipment and experience. We are confident to help Pakistan in poverty reduction and prosperity in the future.”
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2344931/pm ... toric-trip PM Imran arrives in Moscow on two-day historic trip
This is the first official visit of any Pakistani prime minister to Russia in two decades
Our Correspondent, February 23, 2022
ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday arrived in Russia on a two-day official visit, at the invitation of President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.
The prime minister is accompanied by a high-level delegation including federal ministers Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Chaudhry Fawad Hussain, Asad Umar, Hammad Azhar, Commerce Adviser Abdur Razzak Dawood, National Security Adviser Moeed Yusuf and Amir Mahmood Kiani.
Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Igor Morgulov and other high-level Russian officials welcomed the premier and the Pakistani delegation.
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Gautam
g.sarkar wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2344931/pm ... toric-trip PM Imran arrives in Moscow on two-day historic trip
This is the first official visit of any Pakistani prime minister to Russia in two decades
Our Correspondent, February 23, 2022
ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday arrived in Russia on a two-day official visit, at the invitation of President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.
The prime minister is accompanied by a high-level delegation including federal ministers Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Chaudhry Fawad Hussain, Asad Umar, Hammad Azhar, Commerce Adviser Abdur Razzak Dawood, National Security Adviser Moeed Yusuf and Amir Mahmood Kiani.
Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Igor Morgulov and other high-level Russian officials welcomed the premier and the Pakistani delegation.
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Gautam
The trip is looking as good as the handsome PM Imran Khan himself. Apparently, there is a "working lunch" with Putin too. That would be a great time to ask for a few billion dollars loan and also try and convert Putin.
partha wrote:
Nothing is confirmed. Forget meeting with Putin, even guard of honor on arrival is not guaranteed yet.
Well he got a Russian army band at the airport at least. But boy who publishes such a schedule. Most of the things are TBC. Looks like another self invitation.
sanjaykumar wrote:Received by the deputy foreign minister?
Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov. There are ten deputy FMs. The DFMs are fourth from the top in the roosi foreign ministry pecking order. Anyone lower than that would be an assistant to DFM. Dimwit is in Mosque-ow to discuss the paki gas pipeline project with Putin, while Putin is busy fighting a war.
The band messed up the paki national tarana. Watch till the end when dimmy says that he saw Putin on TV. The roosi escort mumbles "see you tomorrow!"
I wonder if Russia inviting "Im the dim" fakir in the middle of the Ukraine crisis is to send some sort of a message to India ? Maybe its Putin's way of saying "either India is with us or against us", and if India is against Russian decision to occupy Ukraine, then Russia will work on a bloc with China and Pakistan to hurt Indian interests ?
Kaun banega Pak ka PM? As the world turns, Pak spins faster!
It is now confirmed - Qamar Bajwa did meet Nawaz Sharif in London. The pieces are set - the question is, will it play out as planned? Imran Khan is headed to Russia for a publicity glitz trip. This may turn out to be a Bollywood pot boiler as the contestants duke it out, says Sree Iyer.
00:00 - Intro
00:04 – Who is going to be the next Prime Minister of Pak?
00:19 – Watch the first video of this series on who will replace Imran
00:44 – Does Imran khan have another trick up his sleeves?
00:50 – Imran Khan to visit Russia on February 23-24
01:59 – Shahbaz Sharif is up for a court hearing on February 28
02:20 - Opposition's plan to bring no-confidence vote against Imran Khan?
02:51 – Who will be the next interim prime minister?
03:16 – Why is all this happening now?
03:54 – Candidates who may replace Gen Bajwa
04:53 – Kaun banega Pak ka Pradhan Mantri and Kaun banega Pak ka Army chief?
05:02 – Conclusion
Ambar wrote:I wonder if Russia inviting "Im the dim" fakir in the middle of the Ukraine crisis is to send some sort of a message to India ? Maybe its Putin's way of saying "either India is with us or against us", and if India is against Russian decision to occupy Ukraine, then Russia will work on a bloc with China and Pakistan to hurt Indian interests ?
Russia knows very well that there is zero chance that India will openly support them in their invasion of Ukraine. Today we have a tactical relationship with them, and to facilitate that we already set up the rupee-ruble trade agreement.
We abstained in the UN vote a few days ago, but if there is a vote in UNSC today we will probably vote against them; of course they will use their veto and it will amount to nothing. So any sanctions against Russia will be outside of UN. We will not follow non-UN sanctions, except of course any trade with them will be hindered by roadblocks such as no access to SWIFT - but we have already taken action to circumvent that eventuality.
Ambar wrote:I wonder if Russia inviting "Im the dim" fakir in the middle of the Ukraine crisis is to send some sort of a message to India ? Maybe its Putin's way of saying "either India is with us or against us", and if India is against Russian decision to occupy Ukraine, then Russia will work on a bloc with China and Pakistan to hurt Indian interests ?
Not sure that Russia would need Dimran to make such a point, but it is anyway moot since he was not invited to Russia. He basically begged for an invitation and practically invited himself, which explains why he has been treated like an unwanted guest so far.
Ambar wrote:I wonder if Russia inviting "Im the dim" fakir in the middle of the Ukraine crisis is to send some sort of a message to India ? Maybe its Putin's way of saying "either India is with us or against us", and if India is against Russian decision to occupy Ukraine, then Russia will work on a bloc with China and Pakistan to hurt Indian interests ?
Russia knows very well that there is zero chance that India will openly support them in their invasion of Ukraine. Today we have a tactical relationship with them, and to facilitate that we already set up the rupee-ruble trade agreement.
We abstained in the UN vote a few days ago, but if there is a vote in UNSC today we will probably vote against them; of course they will use their veto and it will amount to nothing. So any sanctions against Russia will be outside of UN. We will not follow non-UN sanctions, except of course any trade with them will be hindered by roadblocks such as no access to SWIFT - but we have already taken action to circumvent that eventuality.
when their veto helped India time and again we didn't complain
we are morally obligated to abstain, we owe them big time.
chetak wrote:we are morally obligated to abstain, we owe them big time.
Sorry there are no morals when the veto power is only given to a select few, and (soon to be, if not already) the most populous country, one which is democratic, civilizational and peaceful does not have the same power. Russia helped us earlier, and we helped them earlier too. Don't forget that after collapse of USSR we owed them some large amount of rubles. Their currency collapsed but we paid them back every little bit in hard currency at the rate prior to the ruble collapse. We have done our bit for them, and more. Today our relationship is transactional - they are equally happy to sell defence equipment to Pakistan. Our trusted friend in UNSC today is France.
Anyway this is off-topic here. Let's revel in Imran's invitation to Putin to lay pipe in Pakistan.