Terroristan - March 31, 2022

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 19 Apr 2022 22:47

India would be left alone for some time. There are set of internal fires lit by arsonist Imran that are spreading rapidly and will take attention of two power centers:

Current government: Economy and inflation. Plus its a coalition government.
Bajwa and company: Imran's campaign against the fauj.

Imran continue to flame the fires. Sooner or later he will need to be silenced. In a regular situation he would have met the sunroof lever or got banned by the courts for illegal donations. But actions like these will put an unrecoverable dent on PA's credibility as everyone knows who is capable of doing such action. People are already blaming PA for kicking Imran out.

Not sure what Bajwas next move is but he seems to reactive and on backfoot, while Imran continues to roll.

Vinu · Post by **Vinu** » 20 Apr 2022 02:02

Me too so tempted to conclude that Paxis cannot afford any adventure with India because of their economic conditions but their ‘Tactical Brilliance’ is unprecedented.

Paxis have already stretched out their old begging bowl with new begger in chief to UAE, KSA and Turkey along with IMF but no guarantees for collections yet. Iron brother has already shoved a big rod in their Mushraff.

Multiple news outlets reported the below. Within 18 days Paxis may be returning to the glorious old days of their forefathers and within striking possibility of using only donkeys for transport and travel.

This comes as diesel stocks were depleting fast as only 18-day supply remains in Pakistan, The Express Tribune reported citing sources.
-IANS

Hope they will make it this time.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Apr 2022 02:27

They will again be saved just in the nick of time

Shehbaz Sharif is reaching out to Cheen and Saudia with a promise to "reset" ties, and has asked for money and fuel.

The world will fall for Paki perfidy yet again, thinking that this time they have changed for the good.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2022 02:39

don't p0rn movies begin like this

what is hina auntie suggesting and who is she propositioning

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2022 02:52

no school celebrations are allowed without active paki involvement

so were these religious celebrations or mid term exams for suicide b0mber$

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Apr 2022 04:03

China (per Maj. Gaurav Arya) has always preferred Shehbaz Sharif as their alternative to Dimran. Sharif apparently has a reputation for getting projects done, and the Chinese think this will help salvage some of the CPEC train-wreck from being a total loss.

Sharif's recent PAF bombardment of mud-huts and khacchars in Afghanistan may have been a display of 'resolute action' for the purpose of reassuring the Chinese that Dasu-type episodes will no longer occur.

Until, of course, they do.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Apr 2022 04:04

Anujan wrote:They will again be saved just in the nick of time

Shehbaz Sharif is reaching out to Cheen and Saudia with a promise to "reset" ties, and has asked for money and fuel.

The world will fall for Paki perfidy yet again, thinking that this time they have changed for the good.

China (per Maj. Gaurav Arya) has always preferred Shehbaz Sharif as their alternative to Dimran. Sharif apparently has a reputation for getting projects done, and the Chinese think this will help salvage some of the CPEC train-wreck from being a total loss.

Sharif's recent PAF bombardment of mud-huts and khacchars in Afghanistan may have been a display of 'resolute action' for the purpose of reassuring the Chinese that Dasu-type episodes will no longer occur.

Until, of course, they do.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 20 Apr 2022 12:03

Vinu wrote:Me too so tempted to conclude that Paxis cannot afford any adventure with India because of their economic conditions but their ‘Tactical Brilliance’ is unprecedented.

Paxis have already stretched out their old begging bowl with new begger in chief to UAE, KSA and Turkey along with IMF but no guarantees for collections yet. Iron brother has already shoved a big rod in their Mushraff.

Multiple news outlets reported the below. Within 18 days Paxis may be returning to the glorious old days of their forefathers and within striking possibility of using only donkeys for transport and travel.

This comes as diesel stocks were depleting fast as only 18-day supply remains in Pakistan, The Express Tribune reported citing sources.
-IANS
Hope they will make it this time.

What is their strategic reserve? What about aviation fuel?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Apr 2022 12:06

Unkil will bail them out again.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 20 Apr 2022 16:35

Dilbu wrote:Unkil will bail them out again.

Unkil will let them stew for a while. Iron brother may bail them out, or one of the gulf states. Pakis can play Saudi against UAE against Qatar very well.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Apr 2022 19:19

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/n ... 2022-04-13
New Pakistan PM Shehbaz Sharif likely to visit Saudi Arabia, China: Report
Shehbaz Sharif is expected to travel to Saudi Arabia and China after taking charge as Pakistan's new PM, as per media report.
Press Trust of India, Islamabad, April 13, 2022
Shehbaz Sharif is expected to travel to Saudi Arabia and China in his first foreign trip after taking charge as Pakistan's new Prime Minister, according to a media report on Tuesday.
Traditionally, a Pakistani prime minister’s first foreign visit has often been to Riyadh and Beijing due to Islamabad's strategic relationship with both countries.
Sharif, 70, was sworn-in as the 23rd Prime Minister of Pakistan on Monday following Imran Khan's ouster a day earlier. Khan, head of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, became the first Pakistani premier to lose a no-confidence motion in the National Assembly.
The Express Tribune newspaper, quoting a leader of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PML-N), said that Sharif during his visit to Saudi Arabia will perform Umrah and meet the Saudi leadership.
The Sharif family maintains a close personal relationship with the Saudi royal family as the latter played a central role in ensuring the safe exit of Nawaz Sharif after the October 1999 coup.
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Gautam

bharathp · Post by **bharathp** » 20 Apr 2022 21:28

same bowl new beggar.
I wonder, do the terms of the loans/bheek change/update with every change in guard? do they get "Easier" when there is an amenable leadership?

this is the first I am seeing going to BOTH US and China -
a true non aligned country

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 20 Apr 2022 21:33

Dilbu wrote:Unkil will bail them out again.

Yes, rumor was that Blowall, Sherry Aunty and Birkin Bibi etc were going to visit the US to restart ties, and Mifta Ismail who is their finance brain was going to the US to talk to the IMF. Blowall is already in London apparently and met with Nawaz Sharif, probably en route to the US.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 20 Apr 2022 22:19

Bart S wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Unkil will bail them out again.
Yes, rumor was that Blowall, Sherry Aunty and Birkin Bibi etc were going to visit the US to restart ties, and Mifta Ismail who is their finance brain was going to the US to talk to the IMF. Blowall is already in London apparently and met with Nawaz Sharif, probably en route to the US.

Mr 10% is lobbying to be president again ( will be known as mr 30 %) soon

Vinu · Post by **Vinu** » 20 Apr 2022 22:57

rsingh wrote:
What is their strategic reserve? What about aviation fuel?

It’s a good question.
There are no information available in open sources other than than lot of whining about lack of a strategic reserve policy even dated to 2015 until 2020.
When oil prices crashed all over the word tactically brilliant Paxis banned the import due to lack of storage.

It seems Paxis somehow believe that Ummahs oil are their oil as well and expecting uninterrupted supply.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Apr 2022 23:12

New Pakistan PM Shehbaz Sharif likely to visit Saudi Arabia, China: Report

Bajwa has given him the official PM kit - a large begging bowl

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 21 Apr 2022 00:22

Atmavik wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Yes, rumor was that Blowall, Sherry Aunty and Birkin Bibi etc were going to visit the US to restart ties, and Mifta Ismail who is their finance brain was going to the US to talk to the IMF. Blowall is already in London apparently and met with Nawaz Sharif, probably en route to the US.

Mr 10% is lobbying to be president again ( will be known as mr 30 %) soon

Thought that one is for the elder brother now. The position immunizes the person from a lot of convictions so may be a good fit for Ganja.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 21 Apr 2022 00:30

Vinu wrote:
rsingh wrote:
What is their strategic reserve? What about aviation fuel?
It’s a good question.
There are no information available in open sources other than than lot of whining about lack of a strategic reserve policy even dated to 2015 until 2020.
When oil prices crashed all over the word tactically brilliant Paxis banned the import due to lack of storage.
It seems Paxis somehow believe that Ummahs oil are their oil as well and expecting uninterrupted supply.

is there any chance of "saab tel tou nahi hei". if we have right information we may just drive in TATA buses and take POK.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2022 00:36

Dimran has a good chance of coming back.

Pakistan has to make a lot of tough choices in the next six months. They'll get IMF money only if they get rid of fuel subsidies and they'll get Cheen money only if the raise electricity tariffs and pay back circular loans.

They'll get Saudis money if they help out in Yemen and give up hope of ummah leadership.

Dimran can sit in the sidelines and claim loss of sovirginity and takleef to common man and get everyone riled up.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 21 Apr 2022 01:07

Anujan wrote:Dimran has a good chance of coming back.

Pakistan has to make a lot of tough choices in the next six months. They'll get IMF money only if they get rid of fuel subsidies and they'll get Cheen money only if the raise electricity tariffs and pay back circular loans.

They'll get Saudis money if they help out in Yemen and give up hope of ummah leadership.

Dimran can sit in the sidelines and claim loss of sovirginity and takleef to common man and get everyone riled up.

That depends on who the next TSPA chief is

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Apr 2022 03:27

Allegedly, a leaked audio tape of Bajwa.

Army chief comes across like a broker but also controlling of executive and judiciary. Voice does match with Bajwa's but you can never be sure in this age of deep fake.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Apr 2022 05:20

Bart S wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Unkil will bail them out again.
Yes, rumor was that Blowall,.

Maleeha Lodhi?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 21 Apr 2022 05:32

partha wrote:Allegedly, a leaked audio tape of Bajwa.

Army chief comes across like a broker but also controlling of executive and judiciary. Voice does match with Bajwa's but you can never be sure in this age of deep fake.

Apparently fake but it is al-bhikaristan so who knows !? The "leaked" audio came out few days after the infamous Bajwa-Immy-Nadeem meeting, but multiple people including some dedicated youthias have since called it a fake. In any case Immy does not have much time, he needs to organize container rallies now when there is anger but if he tries doing that the establishment will probably lock him up.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 21 Apr 2022 13:32

Vayutuvan wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Yes, rumor was that Blowall,.
Maleeha Lodhi?

Bilawal

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 21 Apr 2022 20:35

Paki rupee once again hovering near historic lows of Rs 187/ 1 USD. With all our forex and functioning power plants if we are suffering from 8 to 10 hrs of rolling blackouts mid-summer, i can imagine how bad the situation must be in al bakistan. Its a wonder that they are able to produce and supply any power at all !

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Apr 2022 21:18

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2022-04-21
Narrow-minded politics': India condemns US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar's PoK visit
India has condemned the visit of US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar to Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK) and said it reflected her 'narrow-minded' politics.
India Today Web Desk, New Delhi, April 21, 2022
India on Thursday condemned the visit of US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar to Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK) and said it reflected 'narrow-minded' politics. Omar, who is on a four-day visit to Pakistan, had visited former prime minister Imran Khan at his residence.
External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Arindam Bagchi criticised Omar for visiting PoK and said, "We have noted that she has visited a part of the Indian Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir that is currently illegally occupied by Pakistan. Let me just say that if such a politician wishes to practice her narrow-minded politics, that may be her business."
"But violating our territorial integrity and sovereignty in its pursuit makes this ours and we think the visit is condemnable," he added.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUz457kBCI
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Gautam

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Apr 2022 21:52

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2022-04-21
. Omar, who is on a four-day visit to Pakistan, had visited former prime minister Imran Khan at his residence.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUz457kBCI
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Gautam

Ok, this is interesting in its own right.

I thought Ilhan Omar's visit, coinciding with the ascension of Shehbaz Sharif, was timed to send a message from GOTUS to Imran Khan and his supporters (that now with Dimran gone, US may be open to taking Pakistan seriously again).

But if Ilhan Omar visited Dimran at his home, at precisely the time when he is so controversial as to be radioactive. It's very different from (say) US officials visiting Sonia Gandhi, because Sonia Gandhi (at least for now) isn't claiming that the election was stolen from her 1 week ago, or organizing mass protests on the streets about it.

So what exactly is going on? I have a feeling that Ilhan Omar visiting Pakistan is not about an official GOTUS outreach to Pakistan. Rather, she is visiting on behalf of her sponsors: CAIR & ICNA, which are US fronts for the Qatar/Turkey-based Muslim Brotherhood and the Pakistani/Bangladeshi Jama'at-e-Islami respectively.

What Ilhan Omar is demonstrating to a Paki audience is that these international Islamist groups, whom she represents in the US Congress, still has dear feelings for Dimran. Her presence in the US Congress is a reminder to the Pakistani establishment that Qatari/Turkish MB and the local JeI have influence in the US government-- so her visit can be seen as a sort of muscle-flexing on behalf of the MB and JeI.

I think MB and JeI want to convey to the Pak establishment-- especially Sharif and Bajwa-- that Dimran should not be arrested or treated too harshly, otherwise Turkey/Qatar and JeI will be unhappy.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Apr 2022 08:39

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353506/go ... -authority

The new government has decided to abolish the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) Authority amid disclosure that Chinese power producers have shut down 1,980 megawatts of production capacity due to non-clearance of their Rs300 billion dues.

Pakistan should warn China that they will go back to US camp if China does not order its power producers to restart power production.

Also, Pakistan should explain to China that this will radicalize Pakistani youth and cause them to fight for freedom in Xinjiang.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 22 Apr 2022 21:32

What, no billion during Ramdan? It is Chinese sazis. Amm Abdul has to come out with infammable Chinese flags ( supplied by China)

kit · Post by **kit** » 23 Apr 2022 00:20

Anujan wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353506/go ... -authority

The new government has decided to abolish the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) Authority amid disclosure that Chinese power producers have shut down 1,980 megawatts of production capacity due to non-clearance of their Rs300 billion dues.
Pakistan should warn China that they will go back to US camp if China does not order its power producers to restart power production.

Also, Pakistan should explain to China that this will radicalize Pakistani youth and cause them to fight for freedom in Xinjiang.

so what prevents the pakis being pakis and just taking over the chinese owned plants etc etc ?.. dont ask how they are going to run it

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Apr 2022 01:00

kit wrote:
Anujan wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353506/go ... -authority

Pakistan should warn China that they will go back to US camp if China does not order its power producers to restart power production.

Also, Pakistan should explain to China that this will radicalize Pakistani youth and cause them to fight for freedom in Xinjiang.
so what prevents the pakis being pakis and just taking over the chinese owned plants etc etc ?.. dont ask how they are going to run it

They can but then they will have to ask China for funds to buy fuel for the plants

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Apr 2022 01:03

I think this is the right time for Pakistan to show that they are nobody's Munna, stand up to the perfidious Chinese, and tell them that Pakistan is not a pushover. They could perhaps organize a protest by Pakistani students in China.

China needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs China.

Pakistan China relationship should be more costly than money. I am not sure why the power producers are insisting on payment.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Apr 2022 01:21

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353778/im ... -documents

Imran, wife paid Rs38m to retain foreign gifts worth Rs142m, reveal documents

The most precious gift was presented by Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman during the very first visit of Imran to the kingdom. However, to the irony, the Rs85 million Graff wristwatch was retained by the former prime minister by paying only Rs20 million.

So what if Kaptaan kept these gifts hainji? He is not like Nawaz or Zardari, looting the nation. He kept gifts people gave to him. And He also repaired many roads in the profits he made.

#WeStandBehindKaptaan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Apr 2022 05:42

https://www.dawn.com/news/1686184

Resumption of trade with India to throw up fresh possibilities: Mansha

Resuming trade between Pakistan and India will pave the way for settling other political and territorial issues between the two largest South Asian nations, tycoon Mian Mohammad Mansha said on Thursday.

Better ties with its neighbour might even help Pakistan come off the so-called grey list of the FATF anti-money laundering and terrorism financing watchdog and ease its difficulties in dealing with the International Monetary Fund, Mr Mansha, the chairman of Nishat Group, told Dawn on Thursday.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 23 Apr 2022 10:34

Anujan wrote:https://www.dawn.com/news/1686184

Resumption of trade with India to throw up fresh possibilities: Mansha

Resuming trade between Pakistan and India will pave the way for settling other political and territorial issues between the two largest South Asian nations, tycoon Mian Mohammad Mansha said on Thursday.

Better ties with its neighbour might even help Pakistan come off the so-called grey list of the FATF anti-money laundering and terrorism financing watchdog and ease its difficulties in dealing with the International Monetary Fund, Mr Mansha, the chairman of Nishat Group, told Dawn on Thursday.

They badly want UPA in power

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Apr 2022 02:48

Londonistan PTI protest.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Apr 2022 05:55

Dimmy had cunningly given fuel subsidies on petrol & diesel just before getting ousted, which this government has to remove to get IMF loan. Fireworks will start, Insh'a Alla'h.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Apr 2022 07:36

SSridhar-ji. Had posted this in economic stress watch

Apparently Pakis have managed to secure 8 Billion $ in loans, repayment deferral for a year from IMF, and 1.8B from world bank in addition to the 8 billion $ from IMF.

Pakis live to see another day.

The details are scant in the IMF press release. They seem to agree to immediate resumption of loans, with a visit of IMF in may to go over whether IMF conditions are being met.

Some details in this news article

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2354052/br ... -to-be-8bn

Pakistan and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have agreed, in principle, to extend the stalled bailout programme by up to one year and increase the loan size to $8 billion, giving markets the much-needed stability and a breathing space to the new government.

The previous PTI-led government and the IMF had signed a 39-month Extended Fund Facility (July 2019 to September 2022) with a total value of $6 billion. However, the previous government failed to fulfil its commitments and the programme remained stalled for most of the time as $3 billion remained undisbursed.

So they are going to get $5B from IMF alone in the coming year.

Before taking Pakistan’s case to the IMF Board for approval, Islamabad would have to agree on the budget strategy for the next fiscal year 2022-23, the sources said.

Give $5B now, only Allah knows what will happen next year.

There is also interesting political analysis (from the usual suspects across the wagah border) as to why PDM chose this moment to outst Dimran, when the economy is bad, and they have to make unpopular decisions.

Apparently Dimran's plan was to put Faiz as COAS and conduct an election after that, therefore making sure that he wins. The motely crew of the opposition parties realized that two terms of dimran, with a COAS who is in his pocket would mean that they are comprehensively finished. Hence decided that taking over now is the better of the two evils.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Apr 2022 11:48

I suspect then this motely crew will liquidate a lot of their Assets in Pakistan - transfer it out of Pakistan- just keep their properties - take all IMF aid money and have elections in 6-7 months with Im the DIm to hold the cup.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Apr 2022 15:32

Anujan wrote: Had posted this in economic stress watch

Anujan, thanks.

This earlier report states that the new Government has to roll back several things that the wicked Imran had doled out.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has set out five major conditions for the revival of $6 billion bailout package, including reversal of fuel subsidies and withdrawal of the tax amnesty scheme, the new finance minister, Miftah Ismail, said on Wednesday.

The other conditions are increase in electricity tariffs, imposition of new taxes and ensuring fiscal savings aimed at bringing down the projected primary budget deficit of Rs1.3 trillion to the earlier agreed limit of Rs25 billion surplus

These are going to be tough for Shehbaz to implement especially as the elections are due in 18 months.

But, TSP may give any promise to IMF now for a bailout as every USD counts, because traditionally TSP had never had intentions of paying back any loan (as the Chinese are finding out to their consternation). Now is not going to be an exception either.

Last time, IMF disbursed half the agreed amount (of USD 6B) before it woke up to the realities. It is now dangling the carrot of another 2B for these reforms. It is TSP's aim to get at least USD 2.5B (half of the remaining disbursal, like last time) by continuing to falsely promise the IMF of proposed reforms/reversals.

Somehow, people do not learn any lessons from TSP & China. Both the iron brothers follow simple techniques to take others for a ride.