2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

[Ambar]

EDIT : I stand corrected. Article 19-21 were covered by the first amendment of the Indian constitution.


Devendra Fadnavis has a huge problem and that problem is Nitin Gadkari. Everyone knows that Gadkari and Fadnavis don't get along, if Modi decides against contesting in 2024 ( a very high chance of that happening ), then in my opinion Gadkari will be chosen as BJP's nominee. This also means that Fadnavis' chance of returning as MH's CM ever again diminishes significantly. One thing is certain, MH is a lot like KAR when it comes to political arithmetic, you need a minimum of 2 parties to form a government there.

[hnair]

arshyam, the short answer to your question on what GoI can do: We should decisively delink mercantile interests from natsec outlook from Delhi and most certainly delink PBUH as a redline among our mercantile communities that is prone to dhoti-shiver. China, despite not being successful on the first, has been successful about the second.

Recent history like Kandahar, Parakram, Sharm-el-shaikh etc should teach us to be wary about anything that is remotely conceived as India's painpoints by the abrahamaic world and many Indians will lose lives, while our mercantiles will continue counting their money. As our mercantile class grows, this will become unstainable as rest of India will not listen to their concerns in future. A look at why East India companies of europe or Venetian guilds embed hard military-men along with their mercantile class, especially when dealing with foreign trade, will tell us what is a successful and sustainable model is. Since Jackson's time, the US too have successfully melded their business class along with their military men to great benefit.

India at some point will have to reach there or we constantly have to listen to balderdash from two-bit powers. We recently showed the finger to a multi-national coalition callled "western nations" who can actually muster a task force that can potentially land at Mumbai (as an example). What can piddly Qatar do? Or for that matter, what can rest of GCC do other than fume (while infighting rages with Qatar/Kuwait about ISIS)?

As Shrek famously asked "You and what army?" is what India should increasingly ask to GCC-types. Oddly, their psyche respects strongmanism

[vera_k]

We don't have the first amendment in India

First Amendment of the Constitution of India

The need to control Freedom of Speech arrived in 1950 when the government came under severe criticism in the press about its response to the refugee influx in West Bengal and extra-judicial killings of communist activists in Madras.

[venkat_kv]

For a forum that prides itself on learning and following military tactics, this thread shows a serious ignorance of the same. When fighting a war, how many fronts do you want to open? Especially those you haven't planned for? Any well prosecuted war is won not by randomly taking on anyone and everyone, one tries to control the variables so the final result goes one's way. Only a paki would open multiple fronts based on emotions and delusions of 1:10 or whatever ratio their limited minds can handle. Nupur here inadvertently opened another front GoI wasn't ready for* and hence the reaction that we are seeing. While IMO there is nothing wrong with what she said (it's a matter of historical record, isn't it?), GoI has other, more important battles to fight given the post-pandemic recovery, heatwave, inflation, oil shock due to the Ukraine war and so on. I am sure the learned maulanas here know what other challenges they have to deal with at this point. Why add to that, especially an area which can impact a multitude of these other problems all at once?

Also, where is the mass movement outside of Twitter and BRF to force the GoI's hand - if they do what some here are asking, would the same public come out in the govt's support and bear the economic pain? What are the indicators of that happening? Put yourselves in Modiji's shoes and think for a moment.

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+1 to your comment arshyam garu, and for bringing some sanity to this thread. The GOI has to take care of all the citizens of the country (even if some of them were to think they are part of some greater ummah, that actually doesn't care for them in real life).

Nupur Sharma was wrong to bring in PBUH into the conversation. if a cricket analogy is applied, the batsman who is being sledged shouldn't take his bat and bash in the bowler, but should utter something that will make the fielding side loose their cool and expose them ( a certain Sarwan - Glen Mcgrath incident comes to mind).

People are busy blaming BJP for not defending Nupur or suspending her from the party, but the BJP has a responsibility to the whole country and not push it into deeper abyss with all the multiple fronts ongoing regarding Pakis, China, covid recovery, economy, lecture on human rights, quad, ukr-russia. Nupur Sharma was the spokesperson of the BJP and it should reflect that. Hence she was suspended, as the party doesn't believe in her statements nor is it the version that they espouse publicly.

How many uber Hindutva vadis here and on twitter remember about the Maulana who made uncharitable comments about Hindus and Lord Ram, also the Maulana Rashidi who on Amber zaidi's channel were showing the wisdom from his orifices after the gyanvaapi revelations. (he said the usual that there was no Hindus or India or any religion or culture and We - he means the Mughals brought civilization to this land). Has any one even filed a case on that maulana.

Nupur could have just said, Is this Ganga Jamuni Tehseeb where you insult our gods and put a vazoo khana where our shivling was situated. That would have far greater effect than bring the current comments for which she and the BJP are facing fire.

Has anyone filed a case on zoo bear whatever creature that bugger is for trying to create enmity between two groups by bringing in doctored videos (which shows he did it on purpose).

The BJP cannot take action on any of these, as these individuals are not affecting NATSEC (atleast not directly). So it should left for civic bodies to file a case in High court. Cases were filed against Nupur sharma in many states - nodoubt by the eco system. She will have to fight it out and come out as a winner.

Perhaps people are forgetting, but when Amit Shah as a Home minister of Gujarat was facing cases, he resigned from that post and was even sent to UP as he wasn't supposed to stay in Gujarat. What he did we all saw. Hope Nupur also does something similar.

[venkat_kv]

Let me put a friendly -1 and say that military enthusiasts risk having a one dimensional view of power. A State has a hundred ways of exercising power, of which the military is one. Its Arjuna vs Vishawaroopa Vishnu comparison of you wish.

Understanding its own myriad powers and levers and employing them judiciously, preventively is real statecraft. Sorry to say that BJP govt at the center, including MAD have demonstrated on multiple occasions that they are either unwilling or unable to wield it to satisfy Dharmic expectations of many even on this forum, which is far from being some unhinged loony fringe.

So its better to acknowledge something is not working as needed somewhere. Better identify and fix it now than in 2024. That there is no better alternative to BJP is no excuse to repeatedly screw up stuff which has been listed many times by fellow posters above.

Cyrano Saar,
with due respect, the state should use the power to causes of public order or natsec issues, cannot use it to destroy an individual unless it is warranted. These maulanas, zoobear, sherwanis, ayyubs are just a manifestation of the nexus between the NGO and the external schitts. We know they have some more pain with the tightening of the laws in the case of NGOs.

how many people even remember an of the award wapsi gang? Since this govt has come in there has been a flurry of idiots trying to challenge the govt and increase their personal profile ( a certain bollywood director comes to mind who made a movie on drug trade before state election and was running his mouth on the PM). But the PM didn't respond for it will only elevate that nobody while the real opposition like the Kejri's, Mamatas and the ever young yuvraj would be sitting pretty while the chosen pig fights with the top BJP leadership.

Rudradev's post on why the BJP responds the way it does to arshyam garu is an eyeopener. i couldn't have put it in better words or more succinctly.

[venkat_kv]

This happened in 2020. Did Modi govt summoned Bahrain's ambassador then ?


Bahrain : Video of burqa-clad woman breaking Hindu idols goes viral, Islamists hail and celebrate on social media

https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/bahrain ... ral-video/

Rony Garu,
I am responding to this post as i don't like what you have called the elected PM of the country. but you do realize that the burqa clad woman breaking the idols of Hindu Gods is not an official stance of the bahrain govt nor was the person breaking the idols representative of the govt doing something in an official capacity.

Nupur sharma was the spokeperson of the BJP and it reflects very poorly on the govt of India, what their spoke person said (even though what she said is true).

And for the set of Princes and princelings tweeting during CAA and doxxing indian handles and the current controversy, those schitts are just a cats paw who dont matter in the larger scheme of things. they will be curtailed as and when required. the least the brave twitterati could do is voice the concern when people did something like the woman in bahrain or the 12th cousin of the 110th in line to the throne tweets.

[vijayk]

Vlogger Roddur Roy, who is infamous for his offensive vlogs on various personalities, dead and alive, was arrested from a resort in Goa on Tuesday (7 June) for abusing Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, her nephew Abhishek and senior Trinamool ministers and functionaries.

Dev Fadnavis is eroding whatever support base he had garnered during this tenure as CM, or MH BJP still harbours hope of an alliance with NCP.

BJP leader and former CM Devendra Fadnavis sought action against the actor*. “The comment is unwarranted and highly derogatory for a senior leader like the NCP chief. There should be action against her… the law should take its own course.”

BJP leader and Union Minister Raosaheb Danve, too, said, “Pawar saheb is a senior leader. We don’t agree with the post and we don’t support such use of langauge.”

*Ketaki Chitale, jailed for sharing a post written by someone else on Social Media criticizing Sharad Pawar since a month now.

And now this :

"I saw the video. After watching the video, I feel in no way I or anybody from our party can support or defend such things being spoken against Prophet Muhammad", Former Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis told The Indian Express

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Is he slowly but surely turning Dhimmi or what? Will the BJP in MH be all that they accuse the Sena of being in their quest for power alliances?

Unbelievable ... He could not even defend FoE of a young woman

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/bengal ... a-banerjee
Bengali Vlogger Who Made Abusive Videos On Historical And Contemporary Personalities, Arrested For Video On Mamata Banerjee

Vlogger Roddur Roy, who is infamous for his offensive vlogs on various personalities, dead and alive, was arrested from a resort in Goa on Tuesday (7 June) for abusing Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, her nephew Abhishek and senior Trinamool ministers and functionaries.

engal’s state machinery never acted against Roy all these years that he had been posting offensive vlogs abusing and insulting others, including Modi. There was no action against him for mocking Tagore and even insulting the icon or belittling him.

But Roy crossed a red line when he targeted Mamata Banerjee and her family and colleagues. That is 'forbidden territory' in Bengal. The state machinery will look the other way when Roy, or anyone else, abuses non-Trinamool politicians or personas revered by Bengalis. The most foul and vituperative terms can be used against even the Prime Minister. But never against Mamata Banerjee, Abhishek Banerjee and Trinamool netas.

The second point is the deafening silence of free speech advocates. Over the past few years, many who pose as defenders and upholders of free speech have been criticising the BJP and the Union government for curbing free speech and silencing opposition or critics.

Why are these BJP people such nikkammas?

[Rudradev]

For a minute, let's keep aside the veracity of what Nupur Sharma said, and just look at just the fact that she said it (when, where, and in what capacity). It may be a fully correct and accurate thing to say of its own virtue. That is just not the issue here.

A National Spokesperson of BJP is entrusted with a position of huge public prominence to convey the party's messaging on mass-media platforms. Whatever he/she says on those platforms has to be pre-approved by the BJP at the very top levels, so that they have gamed all the possible consequences and are ready to exploit the fallout. Like it or not, a party spokesperson isn't a private citizen, but one gear in an organisational machine.

Given that position, Nupur saying something that wasn't pre-approved is like a soldier or a JCO going rogue on his own initiative, regardless of orders. It doesn't matter how brave or heroic that JCO's actions may be. Disregarding orders threatens operational security by adding an unexpected element of uncertainty, and potentially undermines the army's plans affecting multiple units across multiple dimensions. In such a situation, a court martial is warranted.

Everything else is spin. The GOI has found itself having to take extremely suboptimal and degrading measures to salvage the situation, only because they were caught by surprise. Nupur Sharma obviously deserves the highest category of security, and the Islamists and their left-wing cohorts need to face the full consequences of inciting death- or rape-threats (that, at the very least, I hope will happen). But BJP removing her from the position of spokesperson was unavoidable, IMO-- in fact, they should have done it before the Islamists could claim the credit for pressuring GOI by mobilizing Arab countries against India.

[venkat_kv]

for the people who understand telugu here is an analysis of a journalist Raaka Sudhakar about Nupurs Suspension.

Speaks about the salient points using an example of vajpayee. Vajpayee after the Ram katha said that Sita ram did a mistake when he sent Sita maa to the forest but Raja Ram was right to do that, when somebody asked him a question.

He also points out the same issues that Nupur Sharma is representing the BJP in the debate and she has to maintain the decorum as it reflects the will or words of the party. She could have made those comments on a personal level or as an individual.

She chose to respond as a Hindu or probably as an individual which is what caused an FIR against her. But the comments made by a gentleman before her were equally derogatory, but no one has filed any cases or complaints on the gentleman from the Hindu side. the "Reza Academy" has filed an FIR against her. She has to face the case.

The govt maintains relations with all nations and spoke back strongly regarding Kashmir when it came to OIC. So the govt is not pussyfooting around the issue. The govt is increasing its relations with Gulf countries even when balancing its relations with Israel.

Govt needs to take care of about 70 lakhs people working in the gulf and their remittances run the economy especially the communist haven of Kerala.

The govt has 87 billion dollars worth of trade with Bahrain, Saudi, UAE countries.

PM is about to visit the gulf and also go to Iran, so this is about the visible steps the govt is taking to assure that its priorities are right.

Also the govt has not apologized anywhere, they have taken steps to mitigate the crisis in the larger scheme of things.

(my comments - you will never find Jaipur dialogues or Ajeet bharati or Sandeep deo say these very comments of Nupur Sharma when they are visiting any open debates, but will do so in their personal videos quoting the hadiths or whatever)



Also in the second video, he makes an observation that Nupur made her comments on 24-25th of may, but the gulf countries are reacting on June 5-6, as the online followers have made a big ruckus over the videos and the gulf countries are trying to maintain order and show that they care by summoning the Indian ambassador.

they are saying that they have removed some Hindus from work and have settled the accounts of the said individuals.

the second part deals with how OIC is silent on Uigar muslims from China and how OIC was busy trying to felicitate China in the most recent OIC conference and India has pushed back against the OIC claims for hypocracy also.

My comments-

The govt acts with all these in mind as they have to take the safety and the employment of the said Indian citizens.

[Rudradev]

Personally, I think the only long-term solution to this is

1) Get rid of 295A and 135A. Let anyone say anything they want about the religious figures of any community. No FIRs, no police or legal actions for "offended religious sentiments".

2) Meanwhile, improve implementation of the rule of law (a huuuuuge problem in our severely under-policed country with a completely dysfunctional joo dishery). We have laws, making more laws doesn't solve anything. What needs to happen is to massively improve resources, training, manpower, and discipline for the system charged with implementing the laws that exist... and give them full agency to implement those laws by any means necessary.

#1 may mean that Abrahamics will continue to say whatever they want about Hindu Gods and Goddesses. So what? That is what they do anyway. And Hindus really don't do anything (except SM outrage) in response. FIRs clearly do not serve as a deterrent against insulting the Hindu religion-- and if some Ayyub/Sherwani/ZooBear type is actually prosecuted under a 295A FIR, that just gives him/her/it the opportunity to claim that "my FOE as a Shantidoot is being silenced in Fascist India".

#2 on the other hand is very important because it means that no one on the Shantidoot side will dare issue any death or rape threats, let alone carry out murders on the pretext of so-called "Blasphemy". With 295A gone, there is no legal basis in India for "Blasphemy" (which is a strictly Abrahamic concept anyway). So murderers are simply murderers, attempted or otherwise. Their lawyers cannot argue exigent circumstances like "oh, the Blasphemer was not adequately punished under 295A so my client had to take the law into his own hands".

The state must have absolute monopoly on violence, and any challenge to that monopoly by anyone must be promptly liquidated. That's the bottom line.

[Abhi_G]

This happened in 2020. Did Modi govt summoned Bahrain's ambassador then ?


Bahrain : Video of burqa-clad woman breaking Hindu idols goes viral, Islamists hail and celebrate on social media

https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/bahrain ... ral-video/

I think in the coming times we would see more desecration of Hindu symbols and civilizational ethos both internally and externally.

Islamists in BD will use every opportunity to rape, and liquidate the Bengali Hindus citing manufactured affronts. When the pogroms started last year in BD during Durga Puja, some babu mentioned on twitter that we have to look at the "big picture" and "such small things happen". The guy got a lot of trolling and I don't know whether he deleted his tweet. This was coming from a GoI official.

Pak and Afg will do the same to the miniscule number of Hindus and Sikhs left there. Maybe, Malayasia and who not will join the majlis.

I understand the great pains to explain the "big picture"...fair enough.

But maybe leaders like Fadnavis should avoid the grovelling and not contribute towards magnification effect of the gubo? For a while in the interest of self respect, IMVHO?

[Ambar]

Perhaps people are forgetting, but when Amit Shah as a Home minister of Gujarat was facing cases, he resigned from that post and was even sent to UP as he wasn't supposed to stay in Gujarat. What he did we all saw. Hope Nupur also does something similar.

She has been suspended from the party for 6 yrs which is an eternity in politics. She is now a hot potato , so neither AAP nor INC will touch her. She was never a MP/MLA/Chorporator so her bank account is probably flat so contesting as an independent is out of question. In short, her political career is over.

Not to beat a dead horse but the Nupur Sharma controversy is just one in a long list of fumbles by the BJP government. I cannot help but think how right was the line from the movie 'The Kashmir Files' - “Sarkar unki hai to kya system to hamara hai” (what if it is their govt, the system is ours! ). Until the next kadi ninda moment, life goes on !

[venkat_kv]

Perhaps people are forgetting, but when Amit Shah as a Home minister of Gujarat was facing cases, he resigned from that post and was even sent to UP as he wasn't supposed to stay in Gujarat. What he did we all saw. Hope Nupur also does something similar.

She has been suspended from the party for 6 yrs which is an eternity in politics. She is now a hot potato , so neither AAP nor INC will touch her. She was never a MP/MLA/Chorporator so her bank account is probably flat so contesting as an independent is out of question. In short, her political career is over.

Not to beat a dead horse but the Nupur Sharma controversy is just one in a long list of fumbles by the BJP government. I cannot help but think how right was the line from the movie 'The Kashmir Files' - “Sarkar unki hai to kya system to hamara hai” (what if it is their govt, the system is ours! ). Until the next kadi ninda moment, life goes on !

Ambar Saar,
AAP and INC wouldn't touch her either way as they have peacefuls to placate. if she joins any of these parties then she was probably using hindu issues to gain mileage which i don't think is the case.

if you could list out what the BJP should have done, as opposed to what it did in face of mounting pressure from gelf with indian workers, i am all ears. all i see is BJP did wrong by their karyakarthas, but no one has atleast filed a complaint on the malsi gentleman for his comments.

She should fight and come out as an innocent which will raise her profile at the very least. Also, I heard that zakir naik made similar comments on PBUH - i am guessing supporting him but no body seems to have made a hue or cry then. (the reason i say heard is SD on his Jaipur Dailogues alluded to it).

If the hindus on twitter raise it to the guy zoo bear then atleast we have some semblence of a case of hyppocarcy. here people are only criticizing the govt (which in a way is good as well, as they atleast feel India has arrived and doesn't need to take orders from gelf) .

[Rudradev]

I would like to remind folks of something.

IPC 295A, a legitimization of Blasphemy Law, exists in India's legal tradition ONLY as a special concession to the 'special community' of Shantidoots. It is no different from other special concessions like Triple Talaq, multiple wives, 5X daily road blockages, etc. There is NO other reason for its existence, as history shows.

Here's where it comes from.

1) In 1923, some Maulanas in Punjab published a pamphlet called "Sita ka Chhinnala" which depicted Sita Ma, the wife of Sri Ramachandra, as a prostitute.

2) Hindus, of course, did not go out into the streets or commit violence in response. However, an Arya Samaji named Pandit Chamupati Lal wrote a book named "Rangila Rasool", which politely pointed out the truth about the Holy Pervert with direct supporting citations of Quran and Hadiths.

3) "Rangila Rasool" was published by a respected Punjabi publisher named Mahashay Rajpal in May 1924. Shantidoots immediately filed a case against Mahashay Rajpal under section 153A ("promoting enmity between groups"... because of course, "Sita ka Chhinnala" was meant only to promote friendship between groups.)

4) Mahashay Rajpal was arrested and tried. Mahatma Grundy and others of the Congress Party, who had nothing to say about "Sita ka Chhinnala", of course condemned Mahashay Rajpal for vitiating communal harmony.

5) After Mahashay Rajpal spent nearly 3 years in jail, in May 1927, the court decided that there was no merit in the 153A case against him.

6) This was the signal for Shantidoots to come out on to the streets (of course), burning and murdering and looting on a mass scale. The British government completely caved in to the blackmail. They responded, with the full support of the Congress Party-- by instituting a Blasphemy Law, Section 295A of the IPC.

[295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage reli­gious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or reli­gious beliefs.—Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of 273 [citizens of India], 274 [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 4[three years], or with fine, or with both.]

So please realize-- Section 295A came about as a direct result of Islamic terrorism when the existing law didn't serve to enforce Islamic Laws about Blasphemy. Hindus had no need for it; we know that our Gods are not threatened by the brute opinions of desert savages. Our response to a deliberately insulting book was to write a polite book that told the truth (but which offended Shantidoots for some reason).

However, the Shantidoots used public violence to ensure that Blasphemy against Islam was encoded into Indian law, through the hands of the British rulers and with approval from the Congress Party.

7) As an additional footnote, because Shantidoots did not consider the penalties under 295A to be sufficient as per the Quran and Hadiths, they murdered Mahashay Rajpal in April 1929.

So to summarize: Hindus never demanded legal protection for our divine beings (what a ridiculous idea that they should need it). But Shantidoots established that their beliefs would have double protection against the words of others; an official layer via 295A plus a sharia layer via outright murder.

295A was never in the interests of Hindus, and still doesn't serve to protect the sentiments of Hindus today. It is legal cover for Islamic terrorism, pure and simple. Just like Gyanvapi Mosque, Triple Talaq, Love Jihad, "Muslim Areas", disrupting public spaces for "Namaaz", polluting the environment with loudspeaker "azaan"... it has to go.

If you want to pressure the GOI, pressure them on this. Not on some nautanki of Nupur Sharma or Devendra Phadnavis or whatever... those are just distractions.

[Ambar]

She has been suspended from the party for 6 yrs which is an eternity in politics. She is now a hot potato , so neither AAP nor INC will touch her. She was never a MP/MLA/Chorporator so her bank account is probably flat so contesting as an independent is out of question. In short, her political career is over.

Not to beat a dead horse but the Nupur Sharma controversy is just one in a long list of fumbles by the BJP government. I cannot help but think how right was the line from the movie 'The Kashmir Files' - “Sarkar unki hai to kya system to hamara hai” (what if it is their govt, the system is ours! ). Until the next kadi ninda moment, life goes on !

Ambar Saar,
AAP and INC wouldn't touch her either way as they have peacefuls to placate. if she joins any of these parties then she was probably using hindu issues to gain mileage which i don't think is the case.

if you could list out what the BJP should have done, as opposed to what it did in face of mounting pressure from gelf with indian workers, i am all ears. all i see is BJP did wrong by their karyakarthas, but no one has atleast filed a complaint on the malsi gentleman for his comments.

She should fight and come out as an innocent which will raise her profile at the very least. Also, I heard that zakir naik made similar comments on PBUH - i am guessing supporting him but no body seems to have made a hue or cry then. (the reason i say heard is SD on his Jaipur Dailogues alluded to it).

If the hindus on twitter raise it to the guy zoo bear then atleast we have some semblence of a case of hyppocarcy. here people are only criticizing the govt (which in a way is good as well, as they atleast feel India has arrived and doesn't need to take orders from gelf) .

GoI should have done what it does best, issue a statement filled with IAS babu's most juiciest and choicest jargons and moved against those issuing death threats to Nupur with vengeance that rivals Mamata Banerjee on her bad day !

What will the Gulf countries do ? To answer that question one needs to understand the Gulf shiekhs, they are very very mercantilist , profiteering from every situation runs in their blood. Who are they trying to placate ? The rag tag pakis whom all Gulf countries consider a nuisance ? Who will they replace 9 million Indians with ? Bangladeshis and Pakis ? If so, they would have done so ages ago ! They don't do anything which impacts the carefully crafted image of their shiekhdoms nor their trillions of dollars worth energy and tourism business. India is one of their biggest customers, we are also one of their biggest trade partners. For an arab, it doesn't matter if a muslim is from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh, they are all ajamis and munafiqun.

So now twice in 2 years we have allowed the islamists in India and Pakistan to establish a template. First, do outrageous acts of violence, rioting and intimidation. If the government acts or if any Hindu says anything then use social media and the ummah bot factory from India/Pakistan/Turkey to create a storm in middle east to make lives difficult for hindus living there. What guarantee this won't happen over and over again ?

Lastly, the identities of Indian muslims creating trouble in the middle east is visible on social media. I again ask will China ever tolerate a Chinese citizen sitting abroad making life difficult for other Chinese ? They'd be in a concentration camp with half their organs harvested already !

Anyone who gives a hundred reasons why the govt cannot act against those killing BJP workers, jailing its cadres, attacking journalists or fermenting trouble in Gulf probably haven't crossed a sub-inspector or a municipal councilor ! Even the lowest level govt officer knows how to squeeze the testicles and we are talking about the Govt of India here !

[RCase]

[295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage reli­gious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or reli­gious beliefs.—Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of 273 [citizens of India], 274 [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 4[three years], or with fine, or with both.]

What prevents the Hindus from filing FIRs under this section against all the shantidoots that spew venom in public that outrage the religious feelings of the Hindus. The act does not specify it being applicable only to RoP. Folks like Rehmani, Zakir Naik, Oh-way-see, Rana Ayub, Sherwani, Atiq ur Rehman etc. - Why can't they all be tied up in the legal system?

[Ambar]

Filing an FIR is the easy part, many states now allows one to file online FIRs but don't count on the police actually doing anything on that report. That's where the ecosystem and a strong govt that has the back of its vote base comes into play.

[venkat_kv]

Ambar Saar,
AAP and INC wouldn't touch her either way as they have peacefuls to placate. if she joins any of these parties then she was probably using hindu issues to gain mileage which i don't think is the case.

if you could list out what the BJP should have done, as opposed to what it did in face of mounting pressure from gelf with indian workers, i am all ears. all i see is BJP did wrong by their karyakarthas, but no one has atleast filed a complaint on the malsi gentleman for his comments.

She should fight and come out as an innocent which will raise her profile at the very least. Also, I heard that zakir naik made similar comments on PBUH - i am guessing supporting him but no body seems to have made a hue or cry then. (the reason i say heard is SD on his Jaipur Dailogues alluded to it).

If the hindus on twitter raise it to the guy zoo bear then atleast we have some semblence of a case of hyppocarcy. here people are only criticizing the govt (which in a way is good as well, as they atleast feel India has arrived and doesn't need to take orders from gelf) .

GoI should have done what it does best, issue a statement filled with IAS babu's most juiciest and choicest jargons and moved against those issuing death threats to Nupur with vengeance that rivals Mamata Banerjee on her bad day !

What will the Gulf countries do ? To answer that question one needs to understand the Gulf shiekhs, they are very very mercantilist , profiteering from every situation runs in their blood. Who are they trying to placate ? The rag tag pakis whom all Gulf countries consider a nuisance ? Who will they replace 9 million Indians with ? Bangladeshis and Pakis ? If so, they would have done so ages ago ! They don't do anything which impacts the carefully crafted image of their shiekhdoms nor their trillions of dollars worth energy and tourism business. India is one of their biggest customers, we are also one of their biggest trade partners. For an arab, it doesn't matter if a muslim is from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh, they are all ajamis and munafiqun.

So now twice in 2 years we have allowed the islamists in India and Pakistan to establish a template. First, do outrageous acts of violence, rioting and intimidation. If the government acts or if any Hindu says anything then use social media and the ummah bot factory from India/Pakistan/Turkey to create a storm in middle east to make lives difficult for hindus living there. What guarantee this won't happen over and over again ?

Lastly, the identities of Indian muslims creating trouble in the middle east is visible on social media. I again ask will China ever tolerate a Chinese citizen sitting abroad making life difficult for other Chinese ? They'd be in a concentration camp with half their organs harvested already !

Anyone who gives a hundred reasons why the govt cannot act against those killing BJP workers, jailing its cadres, attacking journalists or fermenting trouble in Gulf probably haven't crossed a sub-inspector or a municipal councilor ! Even the lowest level govt officer knows how to squeeze the testicles and we are talking about the Govt of India here !

Ambar Saar,
What you are saying is based on a few assumptions. The sheikhs might like the labor from India, but in the face of sustained campaign it would be untenable for anyone to hire indians. There will be Lankans and abngladeshi ever willing along with pakis to take the place.We had seen doxxing of accounts during CAA and now using an excuse of Nupur Sharma to do the same. Now if Nupur had only stayed true to script and took on the case of hindu vs malsi and some other "fringe guys" did the same in the debate, we wouldn't be seeing this issue.

One of the main reasons why this has blown up is not that Nupur Sharma said something, but she said it as the spokesperson of BJP, the ruling party in India. All the twitterarti who are abusing the govt can try to dig what zakir naik said before and just post it saying how come no body decided it was blasphemous then but now. but we will pick on BJP govt because we know that they won't respond.

Regarding the bolded part of your post, the template/tactics start to change untill they yield the desired results. pakis can't risk any more big strikes and now they have decided to indulge in twitter as paki and turkey seem to be good at only those for now.

The indian muslims living in middle east can be running some account in some name (if you are talking about blue ticks then its a different matter). But the govt doesn't nilly willy jail anyone as we still have judicial process and unlike china that you have quoted China didn't start taking action untill the early 2000 of normal citizens. Till then they only tried to stifle the high profile award winners that spoke against them. But it sends a message.

The BJP for good or bad has decided to follow the principle of doing ones work diligently and letting the work speak for itself. If gadkari succeeds Modi in 24 then it will be even worse where he (gadkari) doesn't seem to like fadnavis speaking against kaka politically only.

It will need newer blood and younger BJP guys (a tejasvi Surya or Yogi seem more spirited in their response). But Modi was the same 10-15 years back.

Filing an FIR is the easy part, many states now allows one to file online FIRs but don't count on the police actually doing anything on that report. That's where the ecosystem and a strong govt that has the back of its vote base comes into play.

But has anyone filed the FIR in any place is the question. all the kattar hinduvadis don't tire telling what govt should do to burnish Hindu credentials but not one could file a case. If you have to be chanakian then a case should be filed in rajasthan to put the gehlot govt in a spot.

[bala]

I went to convent school, bible recitation every day with hymn singing. PBUH is one thing but the topic of Christ is another. I have been researching this for a long time. In 325 AD, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea , Arius claimed that Christ was " created" out of nothing or out of something else. It further talks about Christ "not the physical" person. Many things of early childhood is not known. Between 0 and 325AD there is no conclusive proof about the existence of Christ. There are pointers to Apollonius of Tyanna ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana ) who could be of Indian origin, he certainly visited India, as the role model on whom Christ was fashioned.

Just some things to ponder upon, I have no way of ascertaining the exact truth.

[venkat_kv]

As Vijayk posted earlier of a vlogger doing some satire on mamata and her nephew got picked up. now the courts do not even say that this is harassment and neither to hindu vadis or the self styled champions of free speech ever speak up.

This is because the opposition parties in states have decided to be what they are. an autocratic dictators and cry wolf if the centre steps in. People are expressing great admiration for mamata who is protesting for her corrupt ministers or mla by doing dharna in front of CBI courts or offices. but people forget that this is the first step towards anarchy and congress was a living proof of this where what the congress leaders decided was the law (well atleast until the la famiglia decided otherwise), constitutional process be damned.

The BJP in their infinite wisdom decided that will follow the rule of law and try to better within the constitutional framework rather than trample it and be called names. There are many vested groups that are waiting for the current govt to slip up and then punish them through the courts or cag or whatever motley crew has up their sleeve.

You can see the same in Bengal or Rajasthan or in TN where govts do what they want and the courts barely talk or even admonish the state govts, but everyone wants to give gyan to the centre. if you try to be like mamata or other motley crew parties it won't be long before you will become like them, probably a hindu version of congress that also tramples on the rights in the name of hindu appeasement, malsis atleast loyally follow and vote.

here we have caste, jatis, region languages among Hindus. the discussion during UP elections is right there in front of us. the govt had gotten Ram temple of the ground, was building Kashi Viswanath corridor, tried to do sabka saath and sabka vikaas and a relatively corrupt free govt, yet many were on tenter hooks to see if the BJP made through the final tally. when Hindus themselves are not united for hindu causes then its better to have a broad based plank of development that includes everyone.

BJP themselves don't have to take on everything in society. They can just be in power and the individuals can come up with solutions that take their own way. If akhilesh or secular parties were in power in UP and centre respectively we wouldn't see the RJB verdict in the favor of hindus and neither the Gyanvaapi mosque surevy happening as well and anything against malsis would be shut down like the ex-muslim debates that have started on youtube or on a major channel.

[nachiket]

Devendra Fadnavis has a huge problem and that problem is Nitin Gadkari. Everyone knows that Gadkari and Fadnavis don't get along, if Modi decides against contesting in 2024 ( a very high chance of that happening ), then in my opinion Gadkari will be chosen as BJP's nominee. This also means that Fadnavis' chance of returning as MH's CM ever again diminishes significantly.

I don't even know where to start with this take. Modi has expressed no such desire not to contest in 2024. There is absolutely zero indication of such a possibility. And you say it is highly likely based on what evidence? And even if it does happen there are multiple other people more likely to be chosen to the be the PM face before Nitin Gadkari, starting with Amit Shah. Also, Gadkari is not stupid enough to destroy whatever little chance the BJP has of winning MH again by removing Fadnavis who is easily the most popular BJP leader in the state currently.

One thing is certain, MH is a lot like KAR when it comes to political arithmetic, you need a minimum of 2 parties to form a government there.

That is the only thing in the entire post I can agree with.

[madhu]

Nupur Sharma was wrong to bring in PBUH into the conversation.

it is easy to say this. but the people are missing the dots to connect. you guys are not seeing the chronology of the event. let me ask you. what is wrong in quoting bukari 5133 in a open form on national television? if Ms feel ashamed of this they have to abrogate it. i would have agreed had she quoted Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Volume 4, Page 821 even though it is not against Mo she should be sacked and could have been wrong, Fatawa's are for specific group hence she would be wrong but not for Sahi hadith. now coming to the red line that people talk, what is the red line for Ms against Hs? Ms can come on Live TV and say anything and even insult our Shivling? have you seen this video?
now coming to Nupur back, Qatar and ME did not talk till BJP dumped Nupur and videos were removed. this is why most of BJP supporters are angry for dumping Nupur. remember it was the same people who supported NAMO on puppy issue on national televising.

now what about the issue of Tejasvi Sura? he did not talk about Mo or Jesus. he was talking to Mattadeesh and addressing to Hs about what Hs should Do. still why was he made to ask apology?

the issue is simple. Ms and Left have understood they can twist NaMo by street power. they tested in shainbhag, perfected it in Farm bill agitation and executed it on Nupur. Ms have issues with everything that is Hs. if BJP for the stupid concept pf Sabka vikas then they will loose 35% hs too for their greed. if Didi and Pawar can arm twist however they want what is stopping Namo? why no FIR on the threats of Nupur been filed but she was asked to come to Bombay for her remark for an FIR?

people are not upset for the decision of Namo for dumping Nupur for so called "saving the nation" or "bigger goal" or "10 dimension chess". every failure BJP brings this angle and people are upset for the pile of Skelton on with NAMO is sitting. so stop defending and justifying Namo the issue is on the other side. asAmbedkar had told

There is thus a stagnation not only in the social life but also in the political life of the Muslim community of India. The Muslims have no interest in politics as such. Their predominant interest is religion. This can be easily seen by the terms and conditions that a Muslim constituency makes for its support to a candidate fighting for a seat. The Muslim constituency does not care to examine the programme of the candidate. All that the constituency wants from the candidate is that he should agree to replace the old lamps of the masjid by supplying new ones at his cost, to provide a new carpet for the masjid because the old one is torn, or to repair the masjid because it has become dilapidated. In some places a Muslim constituency is quite satisfied if the candidate agrees to give a sumptuous feast and in other if he agrees to buy votes for so much a piece. With the Muslims, election is a mere matter of money and is very seldom a matter of social programme of general improvement. Muslim politics takes no note of purely secular categories of life, namely, the differences between rich and poor, capital and labour, landlord and tenant, priest and layman, reason and superstition. Muslim politics is essentially clerical and recognizes only one difference, namely, that existing between Hindus and Muslims. None of the secular categories of life have any place in the politics of the Muslim community and if they do find a place—and they must because they are irrepressible—they are subordinated to one and the only governing principle of the Muslim political universe, namely, religion.

[Ambar]

Devendra Fadnavis has a huge problem and that problem is Nitin Gadkari. Everyone knows that Gadkari and Fadnavis don't get along, if Modi decides against contesting in 2024 ( a very high chance of that happening ), then in my opinion Gadkari will be chosen as BJP's nominee. This also means that Fadnavis' chance of returning as MH's CM ever again diminishes significantly.

I don't even know where to start with this take. Modi has expressed no such desire not to contest in 2024. There is absolutely zero indication of such a possibility. And you say it is highly likely based on what evidence? And even if it does happen there are multiple other people more likely to be chosen to the be the PM face before Nitin Gadkari, starting with Amit Shah. Also, Gadkari is not stupid enough to destroy whatever little chance the BJP has of winning MH again by removing Fadnavis who is easily the most popular BJP leader in the state currently.

One thing is certain, MH is a lot like KAR when it comes to political arithmetic, you need a minimum of 2 parties to form a government there.

That is the only thing in the entire post I can agree with.

We will revisit this in Nov of 2023, BJP will not get a majority on its own as things stands and Modi at 73 will not run a coalition government. Amit Shah is tied to Modi, he derives his strength from Modi, he is nowhere close to being the default heir to the BJP candidacy if Modi decides to call it a day. Fadnavis wasn't even the face of BJP in MH in 2015, BJP-SS contested with no CM candidate. In 2019 the coalition lost 24 seats under his watch, had it not been for Amit Shah and JP Nadda, Fadnavis would not have been the CM in 2015. Gadkari's cold relationship with Fadnavis is a open secret, BJP cannot win MH on its own, and BJP with whoever it attempts to form coalition will not allow Fadnavis to be the CM candidate again.

[nandakumar]

madhu wrote:
"Ms and Left have understood they can twist NaMo by street power. they tested in shainbhag, perfected it in Farm bill agitation and executed it on Nupur."
This is the crux of the problem. If you can gather a thousand people you can paralyse the day-to-day life anywhere especially if these people are prepared to engage in violence to the point that they believe they are getting a better deal of 72 virgins in an afterlife.
Secondly, BJP with the exception of Gujarat, has not been in power long enough to evolve a pliable subordinate judiciary ecosystem anywhere else in the country. Secondly if a person is unjustly arrested and denied bail the recourse is to the High Court. The appointments to higher judiciary is controlled by the Collegium system. Everyone knows who controls that system.

[KL Dubey]

Modi and Amit know that these storms blow over quickly.

The "aam aadmi" will vote for welfare delivery, economic advance, and Hindutva. One should expect big initiatives on all these fronts before 2024 elections. Low-level TV debates are basically about "piss be upon him/her" and are irrelevant. I do feel sorry for the lady in question this time.

Some on BRF expect things from Modi/BJP that they never promised. If Sanatan Dharma cannot assert itself without the BJP, it is not the latter's fault. Citizens need to step up to protect dharma in a methodical manner. Those who are ranting here will probably never organize PILs against what they perceive as great insults to Hinduism. Conversely, those people who fight in the courts for mandir rebuilding do not rant on BRF.

Remember government may be accountable but citizens are responsible.

As for the "greens" of India: in my opinion Modi and Shah's strategy is working. Greens are now increasingly dependent on Modi welfare schemes. Vote bank combinations involving the greens are not working out for parties like SP, Cong, or anyone else for that matter - and these parties are now distancing themselves from the jahil mullahs. Only dead-enders like Owaisi and PFI are left to keep the morale up for a while. Foreign funds are drying up. The women are breaking ranks. Record number of people are leaving "greenery". So the greens are losing political, economic, and social relevance.

Treating a disease takes a longer time, some symptoms unfortunately will continue to manifest for some time.

[vimal]

madhu wrote:
"Ms and Left have understood they can twist NaMo by street power. they tested in shainbhag, perfected it in Farm bill agitation and executed it on Nupur."
This is the crux of the problem. If you can gather a thousand people you can paralyse the day-to-day life anywhere especially if these people are prepared to engage in violence to the point that they believe they are getting a better deal of 72 virgins in an afterlife.

Secondly, BJP with the exception of Gujarat, has not been in power long enough to evolve a pliable subordinate judiciary ecosystem anywhere else in the country

. Secondly if a person is unjustly arrested and denied bail the recourse is to the High Court. The appointments to higher judiciary is controlled by the Collegium system. Everyone knows who controls that system.

Excuses all.

BJP is in power in MP for 4 terms.
Chattisgarh for 3 terms out of 5 terms total.
In center with absolute majority for 2 terms atm.

How many do you need to get a grip on state machinery?
I think RSS and BJP has a weird relationship where each will work with other just enough to keep the pretense of cooperation going but never stronger than the other. Typical peshwa politics.

[KL Dubey]

We will revisit this in Nov of 2023, BJP will not get a majority on its own as things stands and Modi at 73 will not run a coalition government.

Rona-dhona band karo bhai. Bahut ho gaya.

I thought your good self was sweltering in 8 hour power cuts...has it increased to 12 hours now ? Power sector about to collapse yet again according to the ongoing predictions. Seems like the longer the power cuts the longer the posts

[Ambar]

Andhera kayam hain..khayam rahe !

[cdbatra]

Personally, I think the only long-term solution to this is

1) Get rid of 295A and 135A. Let anyone say anything they want about the religious figures of any community. No FIRs, no police or legal actions for "offended religious sentiments".

2) Meanwhile, improve implementation of the rule of law (a huuuuuge problem in our severely under-policed country with a completely dysfunctional joo dishery). We have laws, making more laws doesn't solve anything. What needs to happen is to massively improve resources, training, manpower, and discipline for the system charged with implementing the laws that exist... and give them full agency to implement those laws by any means necessary.

#1 may mean that Abrahamics will continue to say whatever they want about Hindu Gods and Goddesses. So what? That is what they do anyway. And Hindus really don't do anything (except SM outrage) in response. FIRs clearly do not serve as a deterrent against insulting the Hindu religion-- and if some Ayyub/Sherwani/ZooBear type is actually prosecuted under a 295A FIR, that just gives him/her/it the opportunity to claim that "my FOE as a Shantidoot is being silenced in Fascist India".

#2 on the other hand is very important because it means that no one on the Shantidoot side will dare issue any death or rape threats, let alone carry out murders on the pretext of so-called "Blasphemy". With 295A gone, there is no legal basis in India for "Blasphemy" (which is a strictly Abrahamic concept anyway). So murderers are simply murderers, attempted or otherwise. Their lawyers cannot argue exigent circumstances like "oh, the Blasphemer was not adequately punished under 295A so my client had to take the law into his own hands".

The state must have absolute monopoly on violence, and any challenge to that monopoly by anyone must be promptly liquidated. That's the bottom line.

Sidhu Moosewala's song 295 dealt with the same issue. He highlighted how sikh clergy misused sec 295 to shut down other sikhs.

https://youtu.be/n_FCrCQ6-bA

[Adrija]

NS did NOT say anything wrong or factually incorrect, and all the comments about non-H streetpower being able to stop NaMo is sadly correct as per past evidence (Shaheen Bagh/ Farm laws/ NS episode). We can presume for all we want, and can have different opinions on whether this is a tactical side step or a genuine fear and hence a longer term veto we do not know as of now

I wish for the first as I have written before, but as of now it is simply conjecture/ wishful thinking. Let's see if/ when the CAA rules get notified, that may point to some further thinking. And if it is indeed tactical retreat in NS case, then the very least GoI can do is be an equal opportunity prosecutor and haul up all the zoo-bears and the various maulanas for being offensive to our gods as well

[Vayutuvan]

No it is not. Malayalam meme-groups in social media like KuKuCha (a college kids run no-holds barred group) ...

Which SM?

[Vayutuvan]

EDIT : I stand corrected. Article 19-21 were covered by the first amendment of the Indian constitution.

Devendra Fadnavis has a huge problem and that problem is Nitin Gadkari.

Ambar ji, any evidence or you are asking us to take you at face value? I don't have a problem taking you at face value. Only kabaab mein haddi is that I don't know your face!

[madhu]

He also points out the same issues that Nupur Sharma is representing the BJP in the debate and she has to maintain the decorum as it reflects the will or words of the party. She could have made those comments on a personal level or as an individual.

all this is good to talk, but how come BJP stood with NAMO that too when sanctions where there on India in 2002 riots? if NaMo was kicked out would he be the PM today? more over do you think Gulf/ME think about Mo as seriously as that of IMs? ME guys are more Afridi of Ms then any other non-Ms. they know Arab spring can happen any time in their country and they can be dialoged from their kingdom.

if Namo was so bothered about viewing secularism and cannot accept onesided view then how came MLA Haribhushan Thakur Bachaul is still holding the post? why he was not thouwn out for his remarks like "Muslims should be set ablaze just as Hindus burn Ravana effigies " on may 7 or " Muslims living in India should be stripped of voting rights and treated as second class citizens." on Feb 21? was this not hurting the decorum?

lets look into the time line,
on 26 May 2022 made the remark
on May 27, 2022 Mohammed Zubair shared video clip of her comments.
on May 28, 2022Times Now deleted the video of the programm from its YouTube channel the following day.
on June 5, 2022 Qatar summons Indian envoy over controversial remarks of Nupur Sharma against Prophet. same day she was removed.
this resulted in more countries to join without knowing what had happened.

nupur was removed because it affects NaMo's image. i started feeling his image of Namo is more important then his voters or even India. if he was so much bothered about India why was he not implemented Farm Law, Labor reform, CAA, NRC ? even NPR is pending. only thing that got excited was ART370. if he is so equality prone guy why did he go to Ram mandir shilanyas? why not go for babri masjid silanyas ALSO at the site given by court?

As for the "greens" of India: in my opinion Modi and Shah's strategy is working. Greens are now increasingly dependent on Modi welfare schemes. Vote bank combinations involving the greens are not working out for parties like SP, Cong, or anyone else for that matter - and these parties are now distancing themselves from the jahil mullahs

this is again wrong. IMs will take all the benefits but still vote for non-BJP. best example is Bengal. SP, Cong is not winning coz Hs have left the party and IMs are split between AIMIM, SP & Cong. else they would be in power.

[Aditya_V]

Have people ever dealt with things on the ground in India, things are pretty stacked against you by ecosystem and its International Backers. Given the forces aligned against them this Govt has done very well.

Nobody discloses their intentions and methods publicly, BIF will never declare that they want Hindus to go the way of the Native American but that's exactly how the Ecosystem is working for. Only fools disclose everything on a open forum, nobody else does that.

But then people are free to post what they want or like. Its systems which win not one person

ll this is good to talk, but how come BJP stood with NAMO that too when sanctions where there on India in 2002 riots? if NaMo was kicked out would he be the PM today?

There were no sanctions on India in 2002 riots, only extreme pressure and personal sanctions against NAMO. AS was repeatedly thrown in Jail by the INC system and came out- so he probably knows better than Arm chair warriors.



P.S -Nobody and certainly no Government in poor country having to deal various Leverages international institutions and cadre recruited by 2-3 century old ecosystem is perfect, but its the best we have had in some time. India is supertanker or B-52 Bomber it cannot do 9G turns or small speedboat like maneuvers. There is clearly and effort by BIF to Declare BJP and Namo as "Not" Hindu enough and I have seen through the years. Remember before 2019 elections- Ram Mandir has not built so BJP should be thrown out of Office. That way BIF is much focused and united.

[IndraD]

Prophet comment row: Culprits will be taught a lesson, NSA assures Iran https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 202_1.html
NSA Doval informed the Iranian foreign minister that wrongdoers will be dealt with at the level of the government and related bodies in a way that is a lesson to other

[madhu]

There were no sanctions on India in 2002 riots.

sorry to disagree with you on this. India was under sanctions from 1998 for nuclear test and hence India was in a weaker stand than now.

my argument is no country is bothered by Nupur Statement. it is more bothered by its own interest. more over Most ME countries are bothered for its kingdom. Qatar wanted a sweet deal so raised the issue (my guess), Iran FM is now in India which protested less than 24hrs back.

the issue is emboldening the Ms in India by such stupid move. Namo is doing one after the other blunders. Shaheen bhag happens, so no notification of CAA, blocked Main road in Delhi, so took back the Farm Loan. unions made hangama, so labor reforms is hanging so is Banking reforms. his constant yielding to Mob and not siding their own people are what people are questioning. why cant Namo go after BIF? the guy from Kerala who told after Shaheen bhag, "India is moving in a direction that if Hindus want to live in India, they will need the permission of Muslims"" is turing to be true. yet nothing happens to him that is what irritates the people.

say todays statement, National Security Advisor (NSA) Doval, according to the Iranian readout, reaffirmed the Indian government’s respect for the founder of Prophet Muhammad, saying offenders will be “dealt with in such a way that others will learn a lesson". what about Hindu god offenders? just coz there is no country that can put pressure on Namo for Hindu side they are not bothered? we will see how many gets arrested and for what.

[Aditya_V]

Most of the Economic sanctions were lifted in Nov 98 and Bill Clinton last orders as President was to supply spare sparts to the IN Sea King fleet in 2000. Post Kargil USA sold Artillery locations radars. There were always some US sanctions, but Indian orders for US Defense equipment took off any post the Nuclear deal when C-17, C-130J, P-8I deals stated to take off.

[Hari Seldon]

the issue is emboldening the Ms in India by such stupid move. Namo is doing one after the other blunders. Shaheen bhag happens, so no notification of CAA, blocked Main road in Delhi, so took back the Farm Loan. unions made hangama, so labor reforms is hanging so is Banking reforms. his constant yielding to Mob and not siding their own people are what people are questioning. why cant Namo go after BIF? the guy from Kerala who told after Shaheen bhag, "India is moving in a direction that if Hindus want to live in India, they will need the permission of Muslims"" is turing to be true. yet nothing happens to him that is what irritates the people.

say todays statement, National Security Advisor (NSA) Doval, according to the Iranian readout, reaffirmed the Indian government’s respect for the founder of Prophet Muhammad, saying offenders will be “dealt with in such a way that others will learn a lesson". what about Hindu god offenders? just coz there is no country that can put pressure on Namo for Hindu side they are not bothered? we will see how many gets arrested and for what.

+1. Well articulated. If you can't speak out against cattle smugglers, don't mouth off about gau-rakshaks either. Keeping quiet is always an option but thats not what NM chose to do, sadly.

Anyway, let's see what happens next. Sadly, GoI has lost prestige. After all that big-talk in EU capitals, we get dragged to the ground thru the mud, what to do. Sigh. Our diplotas get summoned by pipsqueak nay-shuns for gubo dressing downs. Sadly,, these poopsqueaks were NOT shown the finger even in private (assumption, admittedly). Thereby giving these self-important poopsqueaks a handle for khullam commentary on India's internal malsick affairs.

The other day Amit Shah ji ji was launching some tribal institute, Piyush Goyal ji ji was holding fort, tall and firm on how India is leading the world or whatever, dharmendra pradhan was crooning on the NEP - all on twitter - and many a disgruntled BJP voter asked a natural Q: did these worthies have prior approval from the phoren offices of qutar, Afgn and Maldives before making such grand pronouncements, only.

Fact remains that we blew it. Bigtime. Let's wait a few weeks, months (years?) and see if GoI retaliates against any of these poopsqueaks in any manner (don't hold yer breath while waiting, btw). Only.

[IndraD]

while one is not bothered about Qatar & Afghanistan showing middle finger to PM elect of 1.4 billion, incident has clearly emboldened the Saba, Ayyub, congress type M leagues who are seeing the chink in the armour and all goodwill generated with the ME going down the drain.
While later doesn't seem to have been there in first place, what will sting this govt & supporters is Ms using mobocracy to undermine the authority every now and then and then looking to ME aakas to beat Modi govt with dandas!
Doval incidentally is the same man who went GUBO ing to Tableeg Jaamat chief pleading him to go easy on Modi govt and on him personally.
All talks (gobar gas) and no action on BIF has become a bane of this govt now.

[Kaivalya]

madhu wrote:
"Ms and Left have understood they can twist NaMo by street power. they tested in shainbhag, perfected it in Farm bill agitation and executed it on Nupur."
This is the crux of the problem. If you can gather a thousand people you can paralyse the day-to-day life anywhere especially if these people are prepared to engage in violence to the point that they believe they are getting a better deal of 72 virgins in an afterlife.
Secondly, BJP with the exception of Gujarat, has not been in power long enough to evolve a pliable subordinate judiciary ecosystem anywhere else in the country. Secondly if a person is unjustly arrested and denied bail the recourse is to the High Court. The appointments to higher judiciary is controlled by the Collegium system. Everyone knows who controls that system.

+100

This pattern of street power is still unanswered. Along with treats of violence there are people pretending that this is democratic. Till we break this cycle it is not possible for anyone to improve the situation.

Thanks for the context RDji - I did not realize this pattern of democratic violence started pre-independence. Either we should remove the articles you quoted or the articles should be negated at the first sign of violence.

For people who are feeling let down - please remember this fight is crazy unbalanced :

Dharmic people vs ( ShanthiDoots + OIC money + Congi looters put in place for 50-60 years in media, judiciary, state governments, central governments etc + BIF from the west + sickular trained generations on the fence)

For folks who think BJP can do wonders after 8 years in a few states...please reevaluate your expectations or you will be in constant pain for a while. I am happy that the boundaries have moved beyond the usual.We have to step up the effort

For folks who are thinking 2bit countries are posturing- moving nupurji from post to post might seem like a let down but it would not be possible when 200 nupurs make similar statements on a regular basis all over the country. Every time a shantidoot argues with anyone they will ne scared of this hadith