Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

kit · Post by **kit** » 16 Aug 2022 19:34

pravula wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/latvia-russian ... in-1733712

Latvia wants to ban Russian language. Apparently 25% of the population is Russian speaking…

The minnows would ask for EU special funding for this

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Aug 2022 19:52

Washington Post:

U.S. struggled to convince allies, and Zelensky, of risk of invasion

So, after 6 months:

This account, in previously unreported detail, shines new light on the road to war and the military campaign in Ukraine, drawn from in-depth interviews with dozens of senior U.S., Ukrainian, European and NATO officials.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 19 Aug 2022 14:18

Russia has moved a few MIG 31's with Kinzhal hypersonic missils to Kalingrad. On the way , they also seem to have weaved into either Lithuania or FInland's airspace.

Strategic messaging in progress.

Missiles put every C2 center in NATO land within a few mins of retaliatory non nuclear strike.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Aug 2022 23:15

Its starting to look like both sides are buying time and dont want this conflict to get decisive just yet, and each for their own reasons.

For Russia:
- Let the referendums happen in Kherson and Zhapo regions, and get them to a semi-independent status under Russian umbrella along with Donetsk & Luhansk. No hurry to go all the way to full assimilation into Russia. Can happen slowly over time, after any insurgents are dealt with. Meanwhile, they can also play some politics around which countries recognise these republics and which don't.

- Moreover, they can are pour some surplus cash into these 4 regions + Crimea and instore a stable and efficient Govt (à la Russian style of course) and "hope" to convince the rest of Ukra-een that they are better off with the Russian model than salivating over EU.

- De-militarisation and de-nazification can go on for a few more months at a comfortable pace, because most Ukra-een military & paramilitary are not running away, but are thrusting themselves in waves of ineffective suicidal defense postures day after day along the defense lines, like lemmings. Russian forces just have to stay put and keep firing and shelling at the horizon to keep causing several 100s of casualties each day. Fine then.

- When the end is near, elensly regime and their handlers are expected by Russia to resort to desperate measures to cause max harm somehow, for ex: blow up key assets of their own country like dams, bridges, industrial (esp chemical) plants, power plants, nuclear installations etc, we have got a taste of this with the ZNPP recently, they may even execute irreplaceable technicians and experts, lest they fall into "evil Russian hands". Russia has no answer to this currently and buying a few months may help create separatist factions that will not support a complete country level soo-side, and exfiltrate some key people need to keep things safe and running later.

- The west is still capable of hurting itself with sanctions and alienate itself from the global south. Ending the conflict by putting decisive force means quicker return to pre-Feb24 status quo. Why hurry and grant the west such a quick last round bell ring? A winter with energy crisis will only sow divisions, weaken its leaders and create political chaos, keep energy prices high. Why hurry and miss all that fun ?

- From a NATO/US mil perspective, this conflict has enabled the Russians to pit their forces against some of the "game changer" weapons systems the west has to offer, they have captured some pieces and have evolved counter tactics for them without exposing much of their own latest mil wares. There is some temptation in the US to put more powerful "game changers" into Ukraine-een hands and Russia would welcome such moves since they will be in totally inadequate numbers to pose any threat, but still offer opportunities to capture and counter.

- Russia has squeezed out several back door concessions for its fertiliser, oil & food grain exports in exchange for letting Ukre-een export its grain for the "starving masses of the global south". They really played this one masterfully and hung the west on their own (t)rope. Seems like none of these grain shipments are going to Africa or such needy places, further discrediting the west. So economically and trade wise they are raking it in due to high prices. So whats the hurry?

Some here may say that I'm making excuses for Russia's lack of ability to bring required forces, weaponry and soldiers to make a decisive win - but probably they haven't seen those NatGeo docs where the Lion toys with the gazelle half amusedly, sometimes even appearing to lose interest. I can only advise them to try and snatch from such a predator to validate their theory.

For Ukra-een:
- The scam is near its peak now. Like a ponzi scheme thats worked only too well - hell its hard to (know when to) walk away into the sunset with the booty. The promised billions are still flowing in (takes time you know) and if they can show some more dead, some more suffered atrocities, may be they can double the windfall? How about a little nook-lear disaster ? Will that rake in 10x from woke west for clean up afterwards? It will make anything grown there inedible for decades you say? Who cares? Apres-moi le deluge !

-This atrocity p0rn and dizzaster smyut has a good chance to rake more outrage in a cold freezing winter that the EU countries are going to inevitably suffer thru, to finally push NATO over the edge to get directly involved in the conflict. So Kiev needs to keep the pot boiling by feeding more troops to the fire under it, for a few more months to get NATO forces also into the cauldron.

- Ukraine-eens by now - even the dumbest of them - would have realised that the EU and NATO have used them like toilet paper in their own plans, and their outrage at being betrayed will want them to either provoke a nook-lear disaster that will punish Europe, or, like a self mutilating teenager, showcase a huge hyoomanitarian disaster to get them involved on the ground and shed some of their own hoity toy European blue blood on the black Ukrainian soil. A mistreated pet always plots of biting the owner, doesn't it?

- Thats why NO surrender. Thats why elensly and his backers are making unobtainable demands like return of all territories pre-Feb AND Crimea as well, plus 100s of billions for reconstruction, and some astronomical figure as reparations to declare cease fire. Basically, no negotiation.

In my view, EU/NATO & US seem to have lost the plot, they have started realising they are losing more than what the could have ever hoped to gain, but can find no easy exit door from this squid game they set up but find themselves trapped in now. Do they want to end this conflict quickly now? May be, but pride and sunk cost fallacy come in the way and those are two maso b+tches that are darn hard to get rid of.

So what kind of event will precipitate an end to this pathetic, festering wound of a conflict? Dunno... karma payout schedules are unfathomable sometimes, and I'm no tarot reader.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 21 Aug 2022 00:05

As I had suggested a few months ago, have Indians been looking for cheap CNC, etc machines in Germany?

Bloomburg :: Germany Risks a Factory Exodus as Energy Prices Bite Hard

* Deteriorating living standards could bring ‘social unrest’
* Relentless increases may change Europe’s industrial landscape

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Aug 2022 00:10

Even before we wake up, China and SEA will be grabbing everything. Our huge internal market is sometimes a blessing and sometimes a curse.

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Aug 2022 07:57

NRao wrote:As I had suggested a few months ago, have Indians been looking for cheap CNC, etc machines in Germany?

Bloomburg :: Germany Risks a Factory Exodus as Energy Prices Bite Hard

* Deteriorating living standards could bring ‘social unrest’
* Relentless increases may change Europe’s industrial landscape

De industrialization of Europe

.. weren't all the effort supposed to do that to Russia., their near war time economy seems running along well

vikassh · Post by **vikassh** » 21 Aug 2022 20:25

Russia-Ukraine War: Daughter Of Alexander Dugin Losses Her Life In A Car Bomb Attack In The Environs Of Moscow |

https://swarajyamag.com/world/russia-uk ... -of-moscow

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 21 Aug 2022 21:55

NRao wrote:Germans to pay energy tax on gas consumption.

No replacement for Russian gas. Yet.

Canada seems to be ready to supply hydrogen!!! As an alternative?

Winter is going to be challenging.

Hydrogen? LOL

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 22 Aug 2022 08:52

vikassh wrote:Russia-Ukraine War: Daughter Of Alexander Dugin Losses Her Life In A Car Bomb Attack In The Environs Of Moscow |

https://swarajyamag.com/world/russia-uk ... -of-moscow

It is a serious escalation. Though it is moot, Dugin had never even met Putin. I don't think Russians have any doubts that this was done by the CIA/Ukraine. It will make a lot of fence sitters in Russia back the war.

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Aug 2022 22:34

Russia wants to expand imports from India in big way

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 798239.ece
Aug 22, 2022

Russia has circulated a fresh list of products, including items such as medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, industrial equipment, garments, furniture and jewellery, that it wishes to import from India for a more balanced bilateral trade and a sustainable implementation of rupee-denominated payment mechanism, a person tracking the matter has said.

“The latest list of request for cooperation from Russia, which has been circulated to export organisations, has a total of 71 requests. The entries in the list are mostly enquiries from Russian companies for imports, but also include some items for possible exports. The wide variety of items–ranging from machinery, paper, textiles, leather and motor parts, to diagnostics and drugs–shows the country’s interest in trading in products beyond food and daily essentials to close the trade gap,” the source said.

In the April-June 2022 period, India’s imports from Russia increased 369.29 per cent to $9.26 billion, while exports declined 37.82 per cent to $435.62 million. The rise in imports was fuelled by a sharp increase in India’s purchase of crude oil from the Soviet nation after economic sanctions were imposed by the West on Moscow in response to its attack on Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Encouraged by steep discounts offered by Moscow, India imported an estimated $7.9 billion worth of mineral oil, mineral fuel and their products during the period — an 800 per cent increase over the same period last year, per government data.

“Now that India and Russia are engaging to put in place a mechanism for rupee-denominated trade to bypass the West’s banking sanctions by avoiding payments in US dollar or the euro, Russia is feeling the need to increase its imports from India. Buying more from India will allow the country to use the rupee balance that will accumulate in its accounts from India’s purchase of oil and defence equipment,” the source explained. RBI has allowed a provision for investment of surplus rupee balance in government securities or infrastructure in India but it could be a more desirable option for Russia to use it to import items of its interest from India. “This is a unique opportunity for India to increase its exports to Russia which were valued at $3.2 billion in 2021-22 against imports worth $9.86 billion. Since India’s imports from Russia have already crossed $9 billion in the first quarter of 2022-23, the scope for stepping up exports in tandem with imports is immense,” the source said.

Russian companies that have put in requests for business with India also include some established firms that have been doing business with European countries for long but now have to stop due to the sanctions. For instance, Morena, which is one of the first refrigeration companies that appeared on the Russian market, has sought to start co-operation with a reliable manufacturer of compressor equipment in India. “Morena used to co-operate with Tecumseh France but now cannot work with them anymore due to the policy of the two governments,” the entry stated. As part of economic sanctions imposed by the EU and the US, several Russian banks have been banned from using the SWIFT messaging system. Indian banks are engaging with Russian banks, many of which are not under sanctions, to implement the rupee payment mechanism.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 23 Aug 2022 02:12

Video of the assassin with her three license plates.
one during entry, one in moscow and one during exit to estonia

https://www.rt.com/russia/561318-dugina ... ovk-video/

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 23 Aug 2022 04:17

Deans wrote:
vikassh wrote:Russia-Ukraine War: Daughter Of Alexander Dugin Losses Her Life In A Car Bomb Attack In The Environs Of Moscow |

https://swarajyamag.com/world/russia-uk ... -of-moscow
It is a serious escalation. Though it is moot, Dugin had never even met Putin. I don't think Russians have any doubts that this was done by the CIA/Ukraine. It will make a lot of fence sitters in Russia back the war.

Short of using nukes, how much can Russia actually escalate its war effort? They've already thrown everything they have at Ukraine (albeit in a piecemeal, unfocused fashion). They've employed their best weapon systems, they've fired every type of cruise missile and ballistic missile they have, to the point of depleting their inventory. They've employed as much mass artillery\MRLS as possible, and after the first month, they lifted all their self-imposed restrictions on targeting civilian areas. Russia doesn't have enough aircraft for carpet bombing, and would have a hard time protecting them over Ukrainian airspace even if they did.

So again, I have to wonder, how can Russia actually escalate this war and achieve victory without tactical nuclear weapons?

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 23 Aug 2022 05:02

Once their Referandums of newly taken regions are out of the way they will be legally ready to take new conscripts and maybe free up troops for the frontline. Any change/escalation of tactics will be seen after that IMHO

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 23 Aug 2022 11:33

Y. Kanan wrote:
Deans wrote:
It is a serious escalation. Though it is moot, Dugin had never even met Putin. I don't think Russians have any doubts that this was done by the CIA/Ukraine. It will make a lot of fence sitters in Russia back the war.
Short of using nukes, how much can Russia actually escalate its war effort? They've already thrown everything they have at Ukraine (albeit in a piecemeal, unfocused fashion). They've employed their best weapon systems, they've fired every type of cruise missile and ballistic missile they have, to the point of depleting their inventory. They've employed as much mass artillery\MRLS as possible, and after the first month, they lifted all their self-imposed restrictions on targeting civilian areas. Russia doesn't have enough aircraft for carpet bombing, and would have a hard time protecting them over Ukrainian airspace even if they did.

So again, I have to wonder, how can Russia actually escalate this war and achieve victory without tactical nuclear weapons?

I do not foresee a need for Russia to escalate as the Ukrainians keep dying, trying to plug the gaps. No need for them to rush forward and die in ATGM traps. Wait until fall / winter, when Europe is in chaos, Ukr is in chaos and then easily move forward. How are the HIMARS, Ceasars going to run around in the snow when they freeze with no lubes. The engine has to be kept running and will be caught easily compared to now when it is hidden in foliage.

slow and steady is the name of the game and if the moronic euros are going to bankroll this war, well and good.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Aug 2022 12:35

The US is funding the war, the Euros are paying the economic price of not being to stop the Yanks.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 23 Aug 2022 13:37

The USAF transport fleet and AWACS will also have keep it up, flying Ammo from US or at least places like UK to Poland. Meanwhile, the NATO AWACS fleet will have to keep on being up and running, not saying it will be easy for the Russians, they are expanding fuel and Ammo. Both sides are riding the Tiger.

It is kind of like Dec 1941 to Sep 1943 of the Eastern front, both sides are in Attritional warfare, both claim the other side is on its last legs. Whoever, stays the longest in this fight will win. Russians it is best to avoid any offensives or risky maneuvers till Nov 22 when Rasputisa gets over, the next one month is good window for the Ukranians to counterattack and gain territory.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Aug 2022 16:37

US rejects Volodymyr Zelensky’s request to impose a blanket visa ban on Russians

The United States has rejected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s request to impose a blanket visa ban on Russians as conflict continues to rise in Ukraine. While the US has been an ardent supporter of Ukraine during the Russian invasion, the White House has said that a blanket ban will close any opportunity for “dissidents and people vulnerable to human rights abuses”.

Earlier, Zelensky urged the US government to stop any Russian citizen from entering the country by imposing a visa ban. During an interview with the Washington Post, the Ukrainian president said that the Russians need to "live in their own world until they change their philosophy."

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 23 Aug 2022 19:04

Y. Kanan wrote: Short of using nukes, how much can Russia actually escalate its war effort?

There are some options:
1. Order Mobilization to protect Russia. Send 5-6 divisions to the border of the Baltic states. NATO will have to spend several billion to deploy to
the Baltics and stop arms shipments to Ukraine, as they can't defend the Baltics and arm Ukraine at the same time. There will probably be
a trillion dollars fall in the value of Western stock markets and push Europe into further recession.

2. Nuclear `co-operation' with Iran, since restarting the nuclear deal with the west is going nowhere. Even the idea that Iran could get nukes will
cause the West a lot of anxiety.

3. Several Ukrainian cities can be shelled into the stone age, on grounds that the AFU is using urban areas to base their men and equipment.
Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kriviy Riy, Mykolaiv and Zaporizhye are vulnerable to MLRS and Tochka missile attacks. It would send a million more
refugees into Europe and push Ukraine's economy over a tipping point (50% decline).

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 23 Aug 2022 20:40

Russia can simply reduce/stop gas supplies to Europe over the winter. This itself will cause serious industrial, social and economic impact. Sky high gas prices for 6 months are enough to send anaemic European economies to go into severe recession.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2022 01:15

https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/sta ... 3789030400

Macron proclaims the end of abundance, cites sacrifices to defend freedom.

The desperation is palpable as the realisation that the west is imploding is irrefutable even to delusional western governments, so we must blame Russia and then you will forgive us.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2022 01:25

And, what do you know:

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Translated from Hindi by
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dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 25 Aug 2022 05:56

Gas spot price crossed 3100 earlier today in Europe.
6 times higher than before the conflict. I am just an expectant bundle of joy to see who cries uncle first.
I hope we can now sanctimoniously tell the ukrops to adhere to global climate change resolutions.
These SOB's industrialized and looted and raped the planet for centuries and now tell us that we cannot industrialize. FU greta and other tools of imperialism

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 25 Aug 2022 06:03

One more towel thrown in by Ukrops and Canadians

https://www.rt.com/news/561494-canada-t ... s-ukraine/

Canadian Foreign Minister Melanie Joly said on Wednesday that her government will ship the five turbines from Montreal back to Germany, despite demands from ethnic Ukrainians and Kiev’s ambassador in Ottawa to hold onto them

That was the decision that we took,” Joly said in an interview with the state broadcaster CBC. “That’s exactly what Germany asked us.”

“Canada doesn't want to give any form of excuse to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin to continue to weaponize his flow of energy to Europe,” Joly told CBC’s Hannah

Sure you guys weaponize financial instruments and give toilet paper to Russians and they are supposed to ship oil to you, go take a hike

I think there is political understanding that we will cooperate, that we are friends and that we will not make it feasible that the Russian game is working,” Scholz told host Vassy Kapelos.

Well the russian game is working, Now Germany and Canada has to both circumvent its own sanctions to ship the turbines back to Russia.

Both Kiev and Canada’s ethnic Ukrainian lobby have protested the decision to return the turbines, saying that it won’t prevent Moscow from “terrorizing” the EU by withholding gas.

Ukr are definitely exhibiting Paki behavior in Europe and N America.

bala · Post by **bala** » 25 Aug 2022 19:28

Russia and India no longer need US dollar

https://www.rt.com/business/561513-russ ... ed-dollar/
25 Aug, 2022

Russia and India don’t need the US dollar in trade, having turned to national currencies to conduct mutual settlements, BRICS International Forum President Purnima Anand told reporters.

“We have implemented the mechanism of mutual settlements in rubles and rupees, and there is no need for our countries to use the dollar in mutual settlements. And today a similar mechanism of mutual settlements in rubles and yuan is being developed by China,” she said.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 26 Aug 2022 04:00

Brits kicking Ukr out of their homes finding it difficult to adjust with them, culture shock etc at work https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ailymailUK

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Aug 2022 06:46

In Indian backyard!!!

May, 2020, sets stage:

UN says 'imminent' Yemen oil spill would cost $20 bn to clean up

Aug, 2022:

France 'preparing to secure Yemeni gas facility' for exports: report

France could be gearing up to help protect a gas facility in Yemen to allow for exports in a bid to cut Europe's reliance on Russia, according to an ex-Yemeni foreign minister.

Abubaker Alqirbi tweeted in Arabic on Tuesday that "information is coming in" about "preparations being made to export gas from the Balhaf facility" and that this "could be the reason for events in Shabwa" and moves made by France.

Aug, 2022

A US-French-British Race To Loot Yemen’s Oil And Gas (Report)

kit · Post by **kit** » 26 Aug 2022 06:58

"Germany's consumption of around 1000 TWh of #gas per year just got a lot more expensive.

We used to pay <1% of GDP for gas. At €300, it will be ... 8.4% of GDP. Eightpointfourpercent"

https://mobile.twitter.com/COdendahl/st ... 3469156358

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 26 Aug 2022 18:09

bala wrote:Russia and India no longer need US dollar

https://www.rt.com/business/561513-russ ... ed-dollar/
25 Aug, 2022

Russia and India don’t need the US dollar in trade, having turned to national currencies to conduct mutual settlements, BRICS International Forum President Purnima Anand told reporters.

“We have implemented the mechanism of mutual settlements in rubles and rupees, and there is no need for our countries to use the dollar in mutual settlements. And today a similar mechanism of mutual settlements in rubles and yuan is being developed by China,” she said.

At last. This long-awaited de-dollarization May be the only positive thing to come out of this unnecessary war.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Aug 2022 13:38

India has been pushed out of its comfort zone to find alternatives to ME oil, and to push back the west imposed pressure to not buy from Iran, Venezuela, Russia of course. Our PSU refineries I guess are gearing up to process various types of crude like Reliance. Plus increased focus on renewables FWIW and most importantly west fuelled resistance to nuclear energy has crumbled.

And many other positives for India along with a few needed kicks to wake up and defend its interests more than ever. This realisation is dawning not just on top leadership but also on our MPs, babudom, business houses and intelligentsia. I'm expecting to see a lot cleverer and agile India in the future.

If we find a way to break out of the grip of rating agencies like Moody's etc. that would be great.

Opportunity for India to focus on certain high(er) value exports to global south and position itself as an alternative to the premium west, somewhat like South Korea. Mass volume is cornered by China already and we can't match their price or WW logistcs. I think becoming too much export oriented is risky in a dynamic multipolar world.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 27 Aug 2022 14:55

Some elections coming up, which the Ukraine war will have a bearing on

Parliament:
Sweden - 11 Sept ( Right wing Swedish democrat party, which is challenging the ruling Social democrats, is less Anti Russia)
Italy - 25th Sept (the expected coalition that might emerge is more supportive of Russia's position than the previous one).
Latvia - 1 Oct
Bulgaria - 2 Oct Previous govt (US returned guy) was rabidly anti Russia, though the country is Orthodox Slav and traditionally friendly to Russia.
The challenger party, led by the sacked defense minister is more Russia friendly.
Germany (Lower Saxony) - 9 Oct Referendum of sorts on Sholtz's handling of Ukraine and sanctions.
US mid terms - Mid Nov

Presidential elections:
Austria - 9 Oct
Slovenia - 23 Oct

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Aug 2022 15:17

1) Sweeden is not going to elect any right wing government. Not today, not tomorrow.

2) the Italian government even when it's pro Russians will have no impact on the US or UK position.

3) Latvia is a NATO member and the Baltic States were the first ones to break away from the USSR. Change in government will have no impact on the political direction of the state.

4) Bulgaria is a NATO member. Unless it leaves NATO it will not make any difference.

5) Germany and France are meaning less to the European decision making. Unless they take an unequivocal stand that they are not prepared to destroy their economy for polish desire to right historical wrongs. Nothing is going to change.

6) unless the democratic party of US is totally smashed in the polls. Where impeachment and removal of Biden and Haris both is done in one fell swoop.

The economic is where the Russians were in early 90s. US is not going to change anything about it's Russia policy.

What I am trying to say is that this is a long war and it's going to get worst before it gets any better.

Local European elections will not have any effect on the war.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Aug 2022 16:02

Spot on Pratyush garu. Perhaps next year, after a few months of winter suffering has caused massive popular discontent, things may change in Europe. Until then even unpopular leaders like Macron or Scholz will continue their merry ways.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Aug 2022 02:18

Pratyush wrote:Local European elections will not have any effect on the war.

in UK energy bills will exceed £4K for most of the middle class, no introspection, heck what there is no discussion whatsoever in news/channels why is UK fighting US's war

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Aug 2022 09:21

And German companies have pumped money into China like no tomorrow while DW has gone on an anti India tirade

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Aug 2022 12:45

Some people in UK have started refusing to pay electricity bills and are burning them in protest. Apparently their discoms are hesitant to supply to small enterprises fearing unpaid dues when they go bankrupt.

September is when the new year starts, when everyone is back from summer vacation bubble and realise the state of affairs.

Already Yellow Vests protests are restarting in France today. There will be start of some turmoil but what's the alternative to the idiotic govts in place? The choice boils down to choosing between ideologues (left, greens, right wing) and sell-outs (centrists/liberal democrats) - neither are realists trying to safeguard their people in the current crisis. And all are incompetents manhandled by unelected Brussels dolts.
I'm not thrilled to witness this unraveling in real time slow motion, though irs morbidly fascinating.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 28 Aug 2022 14:53

Cyrano wrote:Spot on Pratyush garu. Perhaps next year, after a few months of winter suffering has caused massive popular discontent, things may change in Europe. Until then even unpopular leaders like Macron or Scholz will continue their merry ways.

Talking to friends and family in western europe, somehow everyone think putin bad/ Russians bad and there is no more evil on the planet now more than Putin. There seems to be a mental block when I ask them a simple question, how come NATO/ US/UK never had the same reaction when they killed many more civilians or bombed multiple innocent countries.
typical response
1. Just because they did it, doesn't mean I cannot criticize Russia for what they are doing now
2. Russia is the new Nazi nation and is a imperial country
3. Russia is wantedly not shipping oil/fertilizer/ etc etc
4. Russia kills political prisoners and there are no press freedoms in Russia [stealing money of reporters / jailing them/ cancelling them in Europe is totally acceptable]

The new generation is completely beholden to the western agenda and are ok with giving up free thought, privacy and freedom of expression. It is quite shocking that they have almost like a islam like fanaticism abt their superiority.

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Aug 2022 09:56

https://twitter.com/TinsleyBrookly2/sta ... 6861333506

The topic of mass graves discovered in the Donbas from the beginning of 2014 to the present day was not reflected in the UN report on the human rights situation in Ukraine. Nobody cares about this question .. After all, Russian people were killed, which means no one is interested

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Aug 2022 18:34

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... cilitation

The EU’s foreign ministers are expected to approve suspending the bloc’s visa facilitation agreement with Moscow next week, as Russian rocket and artillery strikes hit areas across the Dnieper River from the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.

The EU move, aimed at reducing the number of visas issued to Russian nationals after pressure from eastern member states, falls short of an outright ban but would make getting travel documents significantly more complicated and expensive.

The Financial Times quoted one EU official as saying its was “inappropriate for Russian tourists to stroll in our cities” and the bloc had to “send a signal to the Russian population that this war is not OK, it is not acceptable”

In another news Zelensky asked US to put blanket ban on Russian visa in US, Biden will reconsider the ban after initial decline.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 29 Aug 2022 19:27

What is the logic behind this and what effect will it have? Just looks like a childish tantrum when things are not going their way. The Russian tourists will gladly take their money elsewhere, most of them are in Turkey and Thailand anyway and perhaps India will welcome them too. Only a few elites in Russia (who are pro-western anyway) will be impacted by this.