Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022
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https://x.com/ang3lkenny/status/1714614 ... 20463?s=20 ---> Bombs, missiles and other stuff, seems some mistakes are there. Pic © of AMS original presentation.
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Is VSHORAD / VLSR SAM / QRSAM the same missiles i.e. Astra ?Rakesh wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023 20:49 https://x.com/ang3lkenny/status/1714614 ... 20463?s=20 ---> Bombs, missiles and other stuff, seems some mistakes are there. Pic © of AMS original presentation.
SFDR ? TARA ?
Hearing the word STAR for the first time
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SFDR= Solid Fuelled Ducted Ramjet.
TARA, first time I am reading about
But according to this channel it's a spice 2000 equivalent.
https://youtu.be/fl32L3LED_0?si=Bms5n_f2kYhLMkNb
VSHORAD / QRSAM, are different missiles.
VSHORAD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSHORAD_(India)
QRSAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QRSAM
VLSR SAM, again first time reading about it.
But according to this link, it's for naval applications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL-SRSAM
TARA, first time I am reading about
But according to this channel it's a spice 2000 equivalent.
https://youtu.be/fl32L3LED_0?si=Bms5n_f2kYhLMkNb
VSHORAD / QRSAM, are different missiles.
VSHORAD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSHORAD_(India)
QRSAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QRSAM
VLSR SAM, again first time reading about it.
But according to this link, it's for naval applications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL-SRSAM
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I am more bothered by the plethora of Anti Tank missiles and only one being in service. That too in very limited numbers.
When it comes to SAM, I trust the IAF/IN to order them in required numbers. Especially after Akash and MR-SAM.
When it comes to SAM, I trust the IAF/IN to order them in required numbers. Especially after Akash and MR-SAM.
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TARA -> PGHSLD (winged and non winged versions)
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TARA, Gaurav, Garuthma, Gautam it's all quite confusing. I thought Garuthma was the project title and Gaurav and Gautam were products, but it's a khichdi.
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The PG-HSLD looks like a JDAM kit to convert dumb bombs into smart ones. The earlier Sudarshan attempt was a failure due to aerodynamic issues
Hope they succeed with the new one, because its a game-changer, considering the huge inventory of dumb bombs we have
Hope they succeed with the new one, because its a game-changer, considering the huge inventory of dumb bombs we have
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1000kg Winged LRGB -> Garuthama = Gaurav
500kg LRGB -> Garuda = Gautham
500kg LRGB -> Garuda = Gautham
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+chaiwallah told me recently that an accelerated testing schedule is planned soon. Multiple stuff to be tested and orders to be announced soon with eye on RD 2024 (orders just before elections...)
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https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1718 ... 83114?s=20 ---> NAL to carry out the design and fabrication of 𝗡𝗔𝗦𝗠-𝗠𝗥 cruise vehicle's wind tunnel model for finalisation of the aerodynamic characteristics of the Launch Vehicle and Cruise Vehicle.
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LRSAM (Long Range Surface to Air Missile) --- Project Kusha
Image Source: https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1718832916808225166?s=20
Image Source: https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1718832916808225166?s=20
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We don't have the same challenges as Israel. For us, an extension of S400 is more important. Do we need short-range missiles protecting cities? Over the next decade, Long range and maybe putting our energy in cost-efficient laser-based products would make more sense for a short and very short range to protect air bases.
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Lazy media reporting - which is par for the course
Iron Dome is not even remotely comparable to Kusha, which is similar to the S-400. Not saying one is inferior to the other. But each is designed with a different objective/threat in mind
This over-awe about things Israeli needs to stop. The Hamas terror attack exposed vulnerabilities on multiple fronts. In comparison, we have done so much better post-2014
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But on the topic of ABM/Kusha. At near its max-ranges, Kusha and ABM will significantly overlap and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that some of the AD-1, PDV, AD-2 interceptors or their tech will make their way into Kusha
In fact Kusha-1.0 can just be the packaging of the existing systems (sensors & shooters for ABM & anti-air) into a single networked entity. We have most of the components in terms of radars, SAMs, networks in place already for various ranges
Kusha 2.0 can address gaps, introduce mobility/standardized-TELs, make the components more robust/seamless etc. It can also address emerging threats to SAM systems from drones/loitering-munitions
1) Rather than best being the enemy of the good, we should rapidly deploy our existing ABM system (which itself has completed 2 phases of development/testing)
2) Deployment must not only include cities but also vital installations (like BARC, HAL), air-bases, command centers, key ammunition/logistics nodes etc
3) S-400 will be busy at the borders. But as & when Kusha rolls out, it can supplement the ABM coverage
Iron Dome is not even remotely comparable to Kusha, which is similar to the S-400. Not saying one is inferior to the other. But each is designed with a different objective/threat in mind
This over-awe about things Israeli needs to stop. The Hamas terror attack exposed vulnerabilities on multiple fronts. In comparison, we have done so much better post-2014
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But on the topic of ABM/Kusha. At near its max-ranges, Kusha and ABM will significantly overlap and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that some of the AD-1, PDV, AD-2 interceptors or their tech will make their way into Kusha
In fact Kusha-1.0 can just be the packaging of the existing systems (sensors & shooters for ABM & anti-air) into a single networked entity. We have most of the components in terms of radars, SAMs, networks in place already for various ranges
Kusha 2.0 can address gaps, introduce mobility/standardized-TELs, make the components more robust/seamless etc. It can also address emerging threats to SAM systems from drones/loitering-munitions
1) Rather than best being the enemy of the good, we should rapidly deploy our existing ABM system (which itself has completed 2 phases of development/testing)
2) Deployment must not only include cities but also vital installations (like BARC, HAL), air-bases, command centers, key ammunition/logistics nodes etc
3) S-400 will be busy at the borders. But as & when Kusha rolls out, it can supplement the ABM coverage
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Moderator note: keep your ranting off BRF. Any further useless whines and ranting on India will not be tolerated.
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But on the topic of ABM/Kusha. At near its max-ranges, Kusha and ABM will significantly overlap and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that some of the AD-1, PDV, AD-2 interceptors or their tech will make their way into Kusha
In fact Kusha-1.0 can just be the packaging of the existing systems (sensors & shooters for ABM & anti-air) into a single networked entity. We have most of the components in terms of radars, SAMs, networks in place already for various ranges
Kusha 2.0 can address gaps, introduce mobility/standardized-TELs, make the components more robust/seamless etc. It can also address emerging threats to SAM systems from drones/loitering-munitions
1) Rather than best being the enemy of the good, we should rapidly deploy our existing ABM system (which itself has completed 2 phases of development/testing)
2) Deployment must not only include cities but also vital installations (like BARC, HAL), air-bases, command centers, key ammunition/logistics nodes etc
3) S-400 will be busy at the borders. But as & when Kusha rolls out, it can supplement the ABM coverage
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@ sanman:- Calling Project Kusha as Iron Dome is disingenuous by the media. Our DDM will latch on to any catchy sound byte and start labelling it to Indian systems.
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India test fired tactical surface-to-surface short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) "Pralay". Some details on pralay in this Indian Defence Analysis YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8NPij3Y20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8NPij3Y20
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@GODOFPARADOXES in X presents a picture of a new Indian surface to surface ballistic missile. His post is given below. See his post link given below to see the picture. Can't see any related posts in Defence Forum India. So posting here.
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New DRDO Mobile Ballistic Missile System
Has aerodynamically clean configuration ie no fins & wings
Incorporates TVC for maneuverability
Mounted on HMV with compact erector cum launcher & integrated power supply
IMO will become part of Indian rocket force in conventional role.
https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/stat ... oH70w&s=19
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New DRDO Mobile Ballistic Missile System
Has aerodynamically clean configuration ie no fins & wings
Incorporates TVC for maneuverability
Mounted on HMV with compact erector cum launcher & integrated power supply
IMO will become part of Indian rocket force in conventional role.
https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/stat ... oH70w&s=19
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REport in Toilet
India buying IGLA missiles.
Any particular reason why this purchase??
India buying IGLA missiles.
Any particular reason why this purchase??
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God alone knows what's cooking on the MANPAD front
ANI News reports that DAC is in advanced stages of giving the go-ahead for Nirbhay (or Nirbhay-class missile) induction. No dates or commitment yet. So, take it FWIW
ANI News reports that DAC is in advanced stages of giving the go-ahead for Nirbhay (or Nirbhay-class missile) induction. No dates or commitment yet. So, take it FWIW
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Saar, they are referencing the report from TASS
And I assume TASS is referencing this 2018 FE piece by Huma SiddiquiDUBAI, November 14. /TASS/. The contract to supply and license production of Russia’s man-portable Igla-S air defense systems (MANPADS) to India has been signed, Chief Executive Officer of Russia’s state arms export agency Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev told TASS at the Dubai Airshow 2023.
"A respective document has already been signed and now together with a private sector Indian company we will organize the production of Igla-S MANPADS on Indian territory," he said.
Media outlets reported on India's procurement of Russia's Igla-S MANPADS in November 2018. According to Defense News, the deal could be worth up to $1.5 bln. Within the framework of the VSHORAD (Very Short Range Air Defense) program India plans to replace obsolete Soviet-Russian Igla systems with cutting-edge Igla-S MANPADS. The country intends to buy 5,175 missiles and launchers. Various versions will be delivered exclusively by Russia, with 600 missiles to be produced at Indian state enterprise Bharat Dynamics Ltd.
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Srai, Is there a similar table for PG-HSLD
Span and accuracy?
Span and accuracy?
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'All Missile Technology Is Indigenous; India Self-reliant In Radars'
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Excellent interview. Dr Satheesh Reddy has info at his fingertips.
Given the sheer volume of systems that have been developed & tested, hope each one gets inducted in large numbers. Can truly be a game-changer!
In fact, even if DRDO stops all missile R&D for 5 years and only helps the industry absorb the tech & mass-produce for the Forces, we will be a dramatically different nation. For that, orders need to come, of course
Given the sheer volume of systems that have been developed & tested, hope each one gets inducted in large numbers. Can truly be a game-changer!
In fact, even if DRDO stops all missile R&D for 5 years and only helps the industry absorb the tech & mass-produce for the Forces, we will be a dramatically different nation. For that, orders need to come, of course
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https://twitter.com/ANI/status/17258944 ... vkWQg&s=19 ---> The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing a submarine-launched cruise missile with land attack and ship attack variants. The missile was test fired in February this year at a range of 402 km and it achieved all mission objectives in the test.
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Very pleasant surprise!!
Wondering why the significant drop in range for the SLCM version (half that of the 1000 Km range of land launched Nirbhay).
Length: 5.6m (Nirbhay is 6m). But here it says that the SLCM "cruise" length is 5.6m, presumably meaning that, its after 1st stage booster separation. Which means that the SLCM and land launched versions might have the same length
Dia: 0.505m (Nirbhay: 0.52m)
AUW: 975 Kg (Nirbhay: 1500 Kg)
The AUW is the surprising part. With the form factor of the rest of the missile the same, why is there such a huge weight difference? If the SLCM is a lighter-weight version for smaller ranges, shouldn't the dimensions be smaller too?
I dont believe they are understating ranges, because there is no good reason to, given that Nirbhay's range is known
Wondering why the significant drop in range for the SLCM version (half that of the 1000 Km range of land launched Nirbhay).
Length: 5.6m (Nirbhay is 6m). But here it says that the SLCM "cruise" length is 5.6m, presumably meaning that, its after 1st stage booster separation. Which means that the SLCM and land launched versions might have the same length
Dia: 0.505m (Nirbhay: 0.52m)
AUW: 975 Kg (Nirbhay: 1500 Kg)
The AUW is the surprising part. With the form factor of the rest of the missile the same, why is there such a huge weight difference? If the SLCM is a lighter-weight version for smaller ranges, shouldn't the dimensions be smaller too?
I dont believe they are understating ranges, because there is no good reason to, given that Nirbhay's range is known
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It's a pleasent surprise for me.
This is a straight up competitor of the base model JASSM and anit ship tomahawk missile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
https://warriormaven.com/sea/navy-tomah ... ips-at-sea
I believe that it will be possible for range to be enhanced as we develop greater confidence in our abilities.
Nirbhay is one step closer now.
This is a straight up competitor of the base model JASSM and anit ship tomahawk missile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
https://warriormaven.com/sea/navy-tomah ... ips-at-sea
I believe that it will be possible for range to be enhanced as we develop greater confidence in our abilities.
Nirbhay is one step closer now.
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https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1725 ... 39040?s=20 ---> DRDO is Fabricating five NASM MR airframes for various tests.
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https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1725907 ... 82633?s=20 ---> So SLCM has two variants: LACM & ASCM.ashishvikas wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023 09:33 https://twitter.com/ANI/status/17258944 ... vkWQg&s=19 ---> The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing a submarine-launched cruise missile with land attack and ship attack variants. The missile was test fired in February this year at a range of 402 km and it achieved all mission objectives in the test.
To compare with Nirbhay:
- Length (- booster) is ~ 0.4m lower & diameter by 15mm
- All Up Weight (- booster) is 975 kg, Nirbhay: 1,000 kg
- Max range 500 km, Nirbhay: 1,000 km
- No EO/IR seeker claimed for SLCM yet
- New airburst warhead
(Btw the SLLACM =/= LRLACM)
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All Up Weight includes the launch tube canister for sub launch?
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Navy tests NASM-SR from a Seaking helicopter. All went well!
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https://x.com/livefist/status/1726878010132107328?s=20 ---> India's naval anti-ship missile (NASM-SR) successfully tested from a Sea King Mk42B today. In a statement, the Indian Navy says, "This firing is a significant step towards achieving self-reliance in niche missile technology, including seeker and guidance technology."
Nice photo of the test from Anantha Saar!
https://x.com/writetake/status/1726870387462668384?s=20 --->
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https://x.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/172 ... 61683?s=20 ---> Did you know? The DRDO's NASM-SR employs a unique Multi-EFP warhead which packs a greater punch compared to other warheads of same size. Multi-EFP warhead after penetrating ship hull from top/side detonates multiple Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) bomblets for far greater damage.