Lok Sabha Elections 2024 - World's largest elections - Desh Ka Garv [World's envy]

[Pratyush]

Has there been any rioting in favour of Congress post MP and CG elections?

The only large scale political violence seen in India has been in Bengal. That too because of the history of large scale political violence from the political parties of the state.

If BJP/ NDA wins the elections and has successfully managed to improve its vote share in Tamilnadu and Kerala. While retaining it's vote share in Karnataka. You can rest assured that no violence will happen.

If any violence that does take place will result in an imposition of president's rule in the state. Followed by a dismantling of the political parties in power.

Remember that these are people who took on the entrenched might of Kashmiri separatists and ended any power they might have been able to excercise overnight.

[Pratyush]

Modi has taken the name of Ambani and Adani and has accused Congress of taking money from them. That's kind of sudden. I wonder what is happening in the background

Is there any link where Modi has said this. Along with the specific context of the comment.

Unless we understand that. It's extremely hard to figure out what is going on.

Remember that Mukesh is quoted in the infamous Nira Radia tapes as having said that Congress to apni dukan hai.

[Sachin]

Meanwhile Sam Pitroda tries his best..
Sam Pitroda's racist comment sparks row: How politicians reacted
Congress distances itself from Sam Pitroda's 'Indians in east look like Chinese' remark

Is there any link where Modi has said this. Along with the specific context of the comment.

Alleging that the Congress has been chanting the name of 'Adani and Ambani' for five years and stopped it following the announcement of the LS polls, Modi said the grand old party should answer to the country. Modi's campaign rally in Telengana.

[Pratyush]

Thanks.

Interesting. It was not an attack of Adani and Ambani. It was an attack on Congress.

Nice.

[Hriday]

@Deans, thanks for the explanation of the predictions based on technical analysis.

I saw a full front page advertisement by BJP in Malayala Manorama newspaper(largest vernacular daily) in Kerala couple of days before polling in the 2024 loksabha elections.

Very disappointed by the presentation style. Of the around 10 points in the advertisement, only two are worth mentioning,1. Zero electricity bill by Surya Ghar yojana and piped gas network in entire India. Rest of the points are about continuing to strengthening this and that of various sections of society and economy. It only will play into the mass disinformation campaign done by mainstream and social media that Modi hadn't done anything remarkable. The previous advertisements by BJP in this newspaper are also of same pattern. Strengthening this.. strengthening that..

I wonder if BJP's public relations group possess even basic knowledge or is this a sabotage plan ?

They could have included the following in a proper format.
Last 60 years of Congress Vs The last 10 years of Modi rule.

1. GDP growth.
2. Inflation
3. Electricity connection
4. Water connection
5. Gas connection
6. Roads built
7. Hospitals built
... the list will be very long. In almost all the parameters above, Modi did in 10 years what Congress was able to do in the last 60 years.

Also a short description of how the net wealth in the country can be increased (economic growth) , how wealth creators are essential for jobs and growth, dangers of Socialism etc.

A govt website which gives all the governance progress in a single window and a subscribable whatsapp channel to keep track on the progress etc would help to counter the mass misinformation campaign by media.

Manorama is run by Christians and a pro Congress newspaper. They do the standard practice of mainstream media to show Congress in a better light and negatively portrays BJP by the tools of omissions, telling half truths etc. Can the people in this forum share or comment on what was the advertisements put by BJP in mainstream media in other states?

[chetak]

Modi has taken the name of Ambani and Adani and has accused Congress of taking money from them. That's kind of sudden. I wonder what is happening in the background

AshishA ji,

This was the bone of contention all along. prince taka tak was pushing for huge moneys from these two but they were not so forthcoming.

Then some time ago, ambani seems to have relented and his name was not muddied so much the pasta puppet, and now it looks like adani has also followed suite


the congi scum lost out on resources from their usually dependable contributors and that had panicked them to the point of political penury


The resignations were all money related because all were expended to fund their own campaigns while the congi hoi polloi including the taka tak gang, the pasta princess and her slimy spouse et al were swanning around in their luxury jets

"For five years, Congress's shehzade kept chanting one thing. After his Rafael issue got grounded, he started a new chant. Five industrialists, five industrialists, five industrialists. Gradually, he started saying Ambani-Adani. But ever since the elections were announced, he stopped abusing Ambani and Adani. Today, I want to ask from Telangana soil, he must declare how much money they have taken from Ambani, Adani? Was there a deal? Why did you stop abusing Ambani and Adani overnight? Zaroor daal mein kucchh kaala hai (something is wrong). You abused them for five years and then it stopped overnight?" the Prime Minister said at a rally in Telangana.

[Prem Kumar]

Why is there dissatisfaction with the BJP & CM in Rajasthan, so soon after their assembly win? If anything, anger against Congress must be at its peak after their 5 years of misrule

Also, is the "better than 303" expectation from several quarters mainly based on UP, which is supposed to absorb losses from elsewhere, while still giving a net-gain?

[Sachin]

Why is there dissatisfaction with the BJP & CM in Rajasthan, so soon after their assembly win? If anything, anger against Congress must be at its peak after their 5 years of misrule

It could be more of an internal squabble between powers groups in RJ BJP.

[Prem Kumar]

Ok

Also, is it just me or is Modi Ji's personal campaign/speeches lacking the usual fire that we saw in 2014 & 2019? These elections have a distinctly low-key feel to them

[ricky_v]

Why is there dissatisfaction with the BJP & CM in Rajasthan, so soon after their assembly win? If anything, anger against Congress must be at its peak after their 5 years of misrule

i think its a combination of many things, first off, the victory in vidhan sabha was by a thin margin, the party expected to gain at the minimum 150 seats, it could gain 110, many consider due to factionalism, infighting, raje royalists

the cm was a sort of a general secretary in the past life, so though he is an experienced coordinator and mediator, he has no base of his own; the main dissatisfaction is reported by bjp workers, it might be that top leaders are not fully supporting him

re: congress, gehlot has built a good base for the inc in rajasthan, the people are voting for the local unit and its efficiency, noting that party and government efficiency do not need to be similar, and not giving too much attention to the noise from the delhi aicc

ticket distribution- bjp has accumulated a lot of non-political people into its fold, you have the case where for eg, from the constituency of chuuru, the bjp dropped the sitting mp, who was extremely popular locally, in favour of a paralympic medal winner, who though is hailed as the pride of chuuru, has never had any political experience, the sitting mp was incensed, and sadly, there are many such cases in rajasthan

comparing new time cms, mohan yadav was upbraided by the pm a couple of months back, as the cm spent much of his time in his hometown, ujjain, instead of the capital, bhopal, and the administrative work was lagging quite a bit; he has been more successful as a star campaigner for the bjp in yadav lands, causing confusion and weakening yadav voting as a cohesive block to sp and rjd primarily, some credit for up and bihar results would also go to him, but in his primary duty, he is still not upto the mark

Also, is the "better than 303" expectation from several quarters mainly based on UP, which is supposed to absorb losses from elsewhere, while still giving a net-gain?

yes, mainly up, it can gain a potential of 19 seats here, many third-party are confident of the bjp gaining at least 17 of these

[chetak]

'Allowing Pandian To Rule Over Us Will Be A Disrespect To Our Forefathers' — Ground Report From Ganjam, Naveen Patnaik's Home Turf


In Naveen Patnaik's home turf Ganjam, people aren't pleased about Pandian gaining excessive control over them.



As opposed to what ....

Isn't colonial India 3.0 under the greedy and slimy grip and stranglehold of some scheming southern europeans for some decades now, via the BIF


who objected .... who opposed .... who did not accept ..... and how come so many politicos and their parties promoted it and still promote it

even the onions fell in line and lined up like ducks in a row ... how come





https://www.news18.com/politics/tamilia ... 79263.html

Talks of Pandian inheriting the legacy of Naveen Patnaik may be too early, for, after all, he is a Tamilian who is married to Odia IAS officer Sujatha Kartikeyan.

Former BJD leader and current BJP national vice-president Baijyant Panda said: “It is one thing to rule from behind the curtain and quite another to do so openly. Only time will tell how this will play out. The founder of the Biju Janata Dal, Biju Patnaik, was a proud Odia, and today, his soul will be pained as will that of 4.5 crore Odia people, not one of whom was deemed fit to run the party.”

Odisha has already had a non-Odia chief minister in Biren Mitra from October 2, 1963 to February 20, 1965. However, 2023 is not 1963. Roots matter in politics and Pandian knows that well.

outsiders can rule TN: MGR, JJ, and KK and the current crop of telugus are "in your face" examples of "outsiders"

India is another prime example where southern europeans have held sway

but a tamilian married to an oriya is not good enough to rule odisha

Is it hypocrisy, expediency, jealousy, or just plain woke politics that smack of spinless contrivance, ethnic discrimination, or is it enlightened self interest that shapes the connivance that drives this strategy but was somehow OK in the southern european case where a bid to grab power is still being made and no one seems to stand in opposition to this outsider concept





his soul will be pained as will that of 4.5 crore Odia people, not one of whom was deemed fit to run the party.”


So, what about India's soul ---- गया तेल लेने

[chetak]

woke turds are best dealt with when flushed down the pot, especially in an attention seeking, late life hara kiri move where they leave no option

Sadly, the right has lost an able campaigner

This clown is the mentor of another clown who is in close competition with him. He is prejudiced and racist. This is the mindset of congress, and they continue to divide us Indians, in the name of religion, privileges, caste, wealth & now colour!

'In India, people from the East look Chinese and South Indians look like Africans ! - Racist statement by #SamPitroda,
President of Indian Overseas Congress about Indians!




It is outrageous to compare Indians with Chinese-Africans! – Narendra Modi



The comparison made by Pitroda is wrong and unacceptable! – Congress



Sam Pitroda is considered to be one of the leaders who set the policies and direction of the Congress. If such a leader's mentality is racist and narrow, then it is better not to think about the others!

It is outrageous to compare Indians with Chinese-Africans! – Narendra Modi

The comparison made by Pitroda is wrong and unacceptable! – Congress

Sam Pitroda is considered to be one of the leaders who set the policies and direction of the Congress. If such a leader's mentality is racist and narrow, then it is better not to think about the others!

watch pitroda's hara kiri video



and Modi's response -WATCH VIDEO


The video(s) are about 2:45 minutes long each

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/_Saffron_Girl_/status/1788113915811143960 ---->

Prakash Raj: Save democracy, save India, vote for Congress.

Congress: You are an African. Sit down.

[vimal]

It’s a weird election I must admit. Both sides seem to have dissipated before the elections. Too much noise. Ram mandir and 370 seems a distant memory. Good thing is opposition alliance is equally if not more in shambles.

que sera sera!

[AkshaySG]

It’s a weird election I must admit. Both sides seem to have dissipated before the elections. Too much noise. Ram mandir and 370 seems a distant memory. Good thing is opposition alliance is equally if not more in shambles.

que sera sera!

I wonder if the length of the election in this energy sapping summer heat is to be blamed.

In a country like ours we can never hold 1 day voting however 2 + months does take the sting out of a lot of campaigning and you're left discussing the statements from last week instead of the work done in last 5 yrs

If we do end up going to 800+ constituencies then the current system would take 3+ months.

[KL Dubey]

Pradeep Singh rarely indulges in election seat counting, but this time he has done a detailed state by state count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfG_G2uI7E

He basically gives NDA close to 400 seats.

Again, my detailed analysis post is in this thread. Read it to get reliable insight.

To get 400, BJP needs to convert about 340-345 seats out of 443 and the allies need to convert 55-60 seats out of 100.

From another perspective, the fact that INC is contesting 329 seats and SP 63 seats basically means NDA is already at about 330-340.

[chetak]

turdesai never fails to disappoint with his hypocrisy

[chetak]

no smoke without fire ....


khalistani papaji is descending deeper into his own self created mire

[RCase]

Arban Nasal or Animal Nasal?
Slit eyes, White hair, Brown cheeks, Black beard and red leftist shirt to boot. He has got it all! Sam Chin al-Shakak-bin Rafiki.

[Anujan]

Dilip Cherian:

India is a momentary coalition of unfriendly tribes put together under one flag & we need to recognise that

https://twitter.com/smitabarooah/status ... 6119122955

[Vayutuvan]

They are fine for entertainment, I agree that is a success and valuable in its own right.

What about J. Sai Deepak? I find him a lot better than ARN and AIM. He and ofc Anaamalai had done an excellent job in Chennai recently at a raklly organized by Sivasri Skandaprasad's organizations.

[vijayk]

[LakshmanPST]

I somehow have a bad feeling about this election... Things don't seem to be going well for BJP...
I hope Modi remains PM for another 5 years atleast...

[vijayk]

I somehow hava a bad feeling about this election... Things don't seem to be going well for BJP...
I hope Modi remains PM for another 5 years atleast...

worried a lot too

[Aditya_V]

It happens when you really care, wake up with a nightmare like what happened 20 years ago.

[KL Dubey]

They are fine for entertainment, I agree that is a success and valuable in its own right.

What about J. Sai Deepak? I find him a lot better than ARN and AIM. He and ofc Anaamalai had done an excellent job in Chennai recently at a raklly organized by Sivasri Skandaprasad's organizations.

JSR is an actual activist with an agenda/plan, not just a commentator. ARN and AIM are what used to be called "all-rounders" in India back in the 1980s/1990s...they a know a little about a lot.

[ricky_v]

Hoy there, folks, what's with the unsubstantiated doom and gloom? this is not India shining redux, by this time journos on ground and actual psephologists know which way the elections will turn and by what amount, additionally, you have a well oiled and well trained sangh political machinery, and paucity of unlimited resources for the opposition, it will be a strong victory, phase 3 has been reported to be pretty good

[hanumadu]

You have to give it to Namo for the sheer number of rallys and roadshows he is doing. People may have lost enthusiasm about this election, but he has not. He is in Telangana or AP almost every day.

[disha]

^ +72

And to all the dhoti shiverers, please watch the crowd showing up inspite of the heat to catch a glimpse of NaMo. Check out the massive crowd size in Karimnagar.

And regarding low voting percentage, it seems that 10% of the Congress supporters were not enthused to go out and vote in Guj, Mah and parts of Raj. The CONgoon "karyakartas" basically gave up and were not motivated to motivate their base to go out and vote. Just another perspective on "low" voting percentage. In absolute terms, the number of voters are high though.

[Deans]

^ +72

And to all the dhoti shiverers, please watch the crowd showing up inspite of the heat to catch a glimpse of NaMo. Check out the massive crowd size in Karimnagar.

And regarding low voting percentage, it seems that 10% of the Congress supporters were not enthused to go out and vote in Guj, Mah and parts of Raj. The CONgoon "karyakartas" basically gave up and were not motivated to motivate their base to go out and vote. Just another perspective on "low" voting percentage. In absolute terms, the number of voters are high though.

There has apparently never been an election in any major democracy, where the incumbent has lost and the turnout has been lower (in a statistically relevant way).

[disha]

There has apparently never been an election in any major democracy, where the incumbent has lost and the turnout has been lower (in a statistically relevant way).

That too. The nuance is missed by some. If there is no visible or major anger against the incumbent, the other vote base is less inclined to step out and put their thumb down. And the vote base more involved in the incumbent steps up and puts their thumb down as both a vote of confidence and a vote of pride.

Also in several parts of India, the BJP has a strong cadre base compared to other parties. And one party which makes lots of noise and punches above its own weight (a.la Bakistan) has its leaders doing a jail bharo andolan. All of this matters.

[chetak]

There has apparently never been an election in any major democracy, where the incumbent has lost and the turnout has been lower (in a statistically relevant way).

That too. The nuance is missed by some. If there is no visible or major anger against the incumbent, the other vote base is less inclined to step out and put their thumb down. And the vote base more involved in the incumbent steps up and puts their thumb down as both a vote of confidence and a vote of pride.

Also in several parts of India, the BJP has a strong cadre base compared to other parties. And one party which makes lots of noise and punches above its own weight (a.la Bakistan) has its leaders doing a jail bharo andolan. All of this matters.

disha ji,


Lots of money is floating around looking for greedy hands.

No one discount the sheer greed of the populace to get their hands on it


KAR and DEL are prime examples of a selfish electorate focussed only on their freebies.

Even today, khujliwal has huge numbers of supporters willing to re elect him and ignoring all the scams

[nits]

I have been in MP, Mah and Karnataka in last 3 weeks and the fact is there are things moving on the ground but not being realized; some more factors

- scores of leaders in BJP apart from modi are Criss crossing india for campaign but Media only shows Modi; no one talks about shah; RS or anyone else. Not sure thats good or bad; even other NDA partners like Naidu or Bihari Babu are missing from news

- Apart from Rahul; no media news of any other India Alliance campaign; Mamta or Akhilesh etc - they do get featured if there is joint rally or in regional news.

- Apart from Sam; other leaders of congi so far have been very cautious on speaking controversial stuff and not giving chance to give ammunition to BJP which does not spark election frenzy

- Newspaper Ads - they have suddenly gone missing not sure why at least i have not seen many - another thing missing are banners, posters on road - again i have not seen them in same #'s like last time

- In short Elections are muted and phase wise dates have focused noise to specific zone - so if my constituency votes in Phase 5 - i may not hear much or feel much till Phase 3

- and this heat - something we have not seen earlier in terms of intensity - we have become lazy to venture out and be part of election and Vote

[kvraghav]

The ground work, commitment from the candidates are totally lacking from BJP. They are just thinking that getting ticket has ensured they become MP. I think Modi should declare a 5k monthly help to all BPL families. That would bring the people to voting booths.

[Sachin]

- Newspaper Ads - they have suddenly gone missing not sure why at least i have not seen many - another thing missing are banners, posters on road - again i have not seen them in same #'s like last time

In KA there were repeated Ads in news papers (mainly from INC and BJP) till 26th April (Phase 1). After that it stopped. I stay in a place which polled on 7th May. So it makes sense that no Ads come in news papers circulating in my place. Perhaps there would have been Ads in other parts of KA which had polling in Phase 2 (07th May). I also got BJP pamphlets along with news papers (did not get any from INC).

But overall the election campaign was very subdued in my parts of the woods. No public announcements, rallies, public meetings etc (especially from BJP). Looks like there are much more cost effective ways for election campaigning these days (social media, WhatsApp etc.).

[nits]

this makes me wonder - what are they saving there money for ? is there something which we dont know ? is there a bigger shadow fight game happening behind elections which is mix of setting up narrative, geopolitical etc which is consuming more money at background - again this is all speculation

[vijayk]

https://twitter.com/thehawkeyex/status/ ... 3895460987

[rajiv]

this makes me wonder - what are they saving there money for ? is there something which we dont know ? is there a bigger shadow fight game happening behind elections which is mix of setting up narrative, geopolitical etc which is consuming more money at background - again this is all speculation

Part of me thinks the dot alliance are also going to want to remain in the fight in future, when and if BJP implodes post Modi. Like any smart person, they don't want to bet it all on this election, esp with their chances of winning quite slim.

Part of me is also dhoti shivering about what sinister dirty tricks they are planning in order to steal the election. They are fully willing to let the country burn, in order to capture power once again.

[SRajesh]

Whats this sudden call for public debate a la Presidential type??
Lokur/Ram and the usual suspects calling for a debate
Checking at the lot calling for it would be completely skewed to favour the unelectable entitled old-youth leader for sure!!
Why call now?? is it because the BIF's are realising that :
a. cannot win so lets tarnish the eventual winner and make it a phyrric victory
b. something which we dont know and they are anticipating a major turnaround (and create their own Black Swan to usher in the Kichidi) and Victory Dinner to carve out the prize??

[chetak]