Originally posted by john chen:
The land dispute between china and india is a legral problem instead of a moral problem. I in was in leagalism from the begining. Until now, I have not got evidence to support india's calim yet. I never said india's occupation on assam and kashmir is illegal. I just want to say china's occupation on tibet is legal too. and both of them are immoral.
If both are legal and immoral, then what are you blaming India for? Is it not then the case of the pot (you) calling the kettle (me) black?
For legal disputes, why not let the officials of both Govts. talk to work out a solution, as they
have been doing for a while? That's what they get paid for. Why are we wasting time and space on this BR forum?
Now, for the first time, I want to talk something about moral and ethics. Tibet is struggling for independence from china. While india make use of tibet's weakness to steal land from tibet. Nothing can be more immoral than this. India is not a symbol of moral but the opposite.
So, in the name of helping "weak" Tibet, China occupies its land, deposes its Government, and sends the head of state, the Dalai Lama, into exile. With such great friends like the Chinese, do Tibetans need enemies? How much more land have the Chinese left under Tibetan sovreignty that India can "grab" from poor Tibetans?
Seriously, there is no land dispute that India and the Tibetans cannot solve between themselves, once the Chinese leave Tibet. India's people, and its leaders hold His Holiness The Dalai Lama in highest regard, and there will be no problems in solving disputes, once the Chinese bu_t out.
I admire india's democracy. Please be aware that china has already given up communism without declaring. China is changing toward democracy gradually. We need india's support for this process not india's militry invasion.
I am glad you admire India's democracy. If you really do, then you will know that democracy has an in-built mechanism for self-correction and dispute resolution. So trust democratic India to solve the India-China dispute amicably, if you give it half a chance.
As for your worry about "India's military invasion of China", I am
Seriously, even the most jingoist of us BRFites, talk only about how best to "defend" India against a possible Chinese invasion. No Indian in his dreams even thinks about invading China. So you can rest easy on that score.
(By the way, as for strategies to defend India against a Chinese invasion, I advocate the 'layered defense in depth' tactics similar to those employed by the Vietnamese in 1979 when they gave your invading PLA a bloody nose, whereas other BRites advocate a more high-tech approach, which I don't think will work. Which strategy do you think will work better?)
If you are so confident, why not to kashmir and assam a chance to have a plebiscite to determaine if they want independence or stay in india? Only this counts.
Well, as for Assam, nobody in the world has talked about a plebiscite. As for Kashmir, sure we can have a plebiscite, the same day, and in the same way, that you have a plebiscite in Tibet.
There are very few han permenant resident in west tibet. If tibetans in exile told you the opposite, they are lying. In east tibet, there are many nontibetans from ancient times. There are more now. But it is not more serious than indians flooded into assam. Please resolve your own problem first.
If you are so sure, why not allow the U.N. to conduct a census in Tibet and remove all the Han Chinese residing there. We can similarily allow the U.N. to remove all the non-J&K natives residing in J&K.
As for Assam, the people the Assamese are complaining against having flooded their state, are not from the other states of India, but the illegal immigrants from your other Jihadi friend, Bangladesh. A good solution to these problems in South Asia will be send all the Jihadis, who have been armed by China through Pakistan, to live in China. I am sure you will welcome your bosom buddies the Jihadis, whose cause you always advocate and support. One good place to settle them will be in China's Western Provinces, where they can be among their co-jihadis from the native Uighur and Tatar population.
If you read some history, you will find that taiwanese want independence even before communist china existed. It has nothing to do with china's attitude to taiwan.
The majority of people that I talked to in Taiwan, were not native Taiwanese, but mainlanders. They want no part of union with China. The young people, who were born in Taiwan, but whose parents or grandparents came to Taiwan from China in the wake of Communist takeover, even defy their parents, who may have some sentimental link with China, on the issue of reunification. They want independent Taiwan. This is the reason the Govt. of China is exerting pressure through the U.S. to stop the Govt. of Taiwan from declaring its independence. If you don't believe me, then let us have a bet. You allow a plebiscite in Taiwan and we allow a simultaneous plebiscite in Assam. Let us see who votes for whom.
As far as I know, there are many assam rebels in nepal and bhutan. Neither assam people and tibetan can pass the china/india border.
One indicator of the difference between these so-called 'Assam rebels' and the Tibetan refugees, and between the societies of India and China, is that while these so-called "Assam rebels" are mostly single men, whose families are still living in peace in their villages in India, the Tibetan refugees are entire families that have fled Tibet.
The Assam rebels that are in Nepal/Bhutan, nowadays when they try to raid their native villages in Assam, are chased out by the villagers.
The Tibetan refugees in India OTOH, if they were allowed to go back to their villages in Tibet, will be welcomed with open arms by Tibetan villagers. Again, we can try a simultaneous experiment here.
Don'believe the tibetans in exile. They are liers.[/QB]
These people, who have had to leave their native land and are living a life in exile, are liars, while what you say is true. I find that hard to believe.
Frankly my dear John Chen, I admire the Chinese people for their industriousness and practicality, but Communist China, the state that has slaughtered millions of its own citizens and others, has no right to moralize and preach to others, least of all to a democracy such as India. You should sermonize after China becomes a functioning democracy as per your wishes. Until then, you should write on the topics of economic development, which I shall be eager to read.