Bharat Rakshak

[quote]The history of all communist parties anywhere in the world suggests that they invariably try to strike a balance between their “nationalist concernsâ€

Mummmmmmmmmmmy....ouch ouch ouch.
Chinese whispers

Media the attack dog?

Tie-in the divestment (read give away to the folks mentioned above) of SBI, BHEL, BEML, BEL etc and all other navaratnas into it.

As the Sci Com is quiet their concerns are taken care of. What is now left is the political concerns of the various players.

What is the Lefts stake can't be IM population? Are they playing for the big ticket with UNPA as the front?

How well equipped is India to handle additional (in the future) nuclear waste?

USA, Russia, Australia...all would be happy to get new business; India would be happy to bolster its power generation; but isn't radioactive waste an issue?

Radoactive waste will be an issue, no doubt. The closed fuel cycle will go a long way in handling that rather than letting the spent fuel ods accumulate after being once-through. However, the wastes will still have to be handled after Pu extraction.

You think so? I would suspect the opposite, at least among ordinary citizens. Western-oriented elites might choose the power supply, but I've been struck by the fierce nationalism of most Indians.



Not traitors, just people making a mistake.

I, for one, think this debate is healthy. What was disappointing was the way MMS tried to slip this agreement past the Indian people and their representatives in the Lok Sabha. Thankfully, he wasn't successful.

They have groomed the Indian elite for the last 30 years and are working with them now.
The Indian elite of the last 30 years are opening the doors for them without knowing the real players in the global arena. Rest of the Indian educated population have no clue to the dealings.

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They have groomed the Indian elite for the last 30 years and are working with them now.
The Indian elite of the last 30 years are opening the doors for them without knowing the real players in the global arena. Rest of the Indian educated population have no clue to the dealings.

Do you mean the Illuminati?

Basuspeak suggests rift

Tanmay Chatterjee
The Statesman, Kolkata, Aug. 21, 2007

KOLKATA, Aug. 20: Only the coming days will tell if Left parties have gathered enough conviction to pull the plug on the UPA government, but it became apparent this morning that the controversy over the Indo-US nuclear agreement has created a divide between the Bengal unit of the CPI-M and its central leadership as well as between the party and its Left Front allies.
“There is no possibility of a mid-term poll,â€

I am not an apologist for MMS. Quite the contrary. However, I don't understand how he tried to surreptitiously hoist this deal on India past the representatives in the Parliament. Surely, the GoI doesn't need to take a vote in the Parliament, right ? A discussion has happened as was announced earlier. The Opposition didn't allow a meaningful discussion to take place, for all their professed concerns for the sovereignty of India. What else could have been better to drive their points home than letting a hard-hitting discussion take place that would have given them an opportunity to forcefully explain their stand ? This whole thing smacks of puppeteering by PRC to put a spoke in the economic growth of India and rank bad opportunism by the Opposition.

There needs to be a constitutional amendment banning the "Communists". They and their sympathizers need to be treated for what they are. Traitors.

Did anyone read the mass-murderer-chief's drivel in the Stalinist Propaganda yellow press 'explaining' why they are opposing the deal? There was no word on Hyde/123 it was all about US and Iran - thereby exposing the traitors in no unclear terms.

I agree. The "communists" need a ban because the moment they come to power with a majority they will suspend democracy for good. Yeah, sure, they will call it the peoples democracy or some such lunatic phrase but "democracy" as we know it will be gone. The minimum pledge these jokers need to make is under no circumstance will they ever suspend democracy, which they will never make. I don't know whether there can be a trace established to their sources of funding (should inevitably lead to China) besides man-handling ordinary folks for the Durga Puja donation scam.

Meanwhile ...
Indo-US deal cannot be renegotiated: Indian Americans

Leaders of Indian-American community expressing concerns over the stand taken by the political parties in India on the Indo-US civil nuclear said the deal cannot be renegotiated as it may not get approved by the US Congress or the next President cannot get it passed as the chances are virtually zero.

"Parties opposing it are placing their political interest over national interest. If this Bill comes back for any reason, the present Congress or the next President cannot get it passed as the chances are virtually zero," chairman of the US-India Political Forum Ashok Mago.

Terming Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as a man of integrity, Mago said, "For any one to think for a second that Prime Minster Manmohan Singh will agree to sign an agreement which is not in the national interest of India should be unthinkable.

Mago, expressing his surprise over the late reaction of the parties on the deal said, "why political parties in India waited this long to oppose it now so strongly as to want to kill it, when everyone knew the terms of the Hyde Act."

"This bill should be looked as an energy bill to provide India the clean energy it desperately needs to keep up with the pace of its economic growth," he said.


Found this on Japan' Abe impending Kolkata visit:



Hope the Japanese send a clear message to the CPI&M goons as to where their butter is coming from and to shape up on the India-Japan alliance ergo against China.

What the Indian Commies fear is headlines like in today's NY Times about Abe's India visit.. Two years ago, NY Times wouldn't have given a rat's ass on what happened between India and Japan.. Points to India's rising profile and shows the fact.. We've come a long way baby. Our commies, being the ever faithful lapdogs of Beijing which is getting the jitters from the 123 deal and the 4 nation security initiative must have applied size 12 motivators to their willing slaves in India

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August 21, 2007
As Japan and India Forge Economic Ties, a Counterweight to China Is Seen
By HEATHER TIMMONS

NEW DELHI, Aug. 20 — When Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan touches down in India this week, it will be the highest-level step yet in what analysts say is a long-term effort to balance, if not contain, China’s growing economic and political might.

As Beijing’s influence in Asia and around the world has grown, their common interests have forced Tokyo and New Delhi to begin warming their historically chilly relationship and to start forging closer economic ties. “The key issue facing the whole region is how to accommodate the rise of China,â€

The Chinese embassy must be in full swing these days issuing press releases minute after minute to be read out by their darlings,the CPI(M)......
Hope our spooks are noting everything happening so that the scumbags can be exposed when a new govt comes in/commies go out of power whenover it does!!!!!!

It is rather sad and scary that PRC can bring down the government of India whenever it wishes. We are being completely outclassed by the Chinese.

The only positive thing that I see is that a section of the media, probably inspired by government sources, is more openly accusing Left of sacrificing national interest to serve their communist superiors. The question is if this really matters to the people who vote for them.

Heck, the nuclear deal will be net positive even if just manages to malign the left.

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/ ... -deal.html


Whats the truth regarding this ??

"India alone has the technological expertise for thorium-based reactors and a 300 MW reactor is under regulatory clearance. If launched in the 11th Plan, it may be ready within seven years. Thorium produces up to 10,000-times less long-lived radioactive waste than uranium or plutonium, sharply reducing radiation hazards. Where is the need for India to grovel before the Nuclear Suppliers' Group for purchasing uranium? "

I have personally flown down from Coruscant and taken a job as a humble teacher in the youngling school of the Tokugawa lords.

this is the most important emerging alliance in Asia, perhaps 2nd only to the Indo-US IOR Chowkidari magna carta.

Rather than being outclassed by PRC, I would say we are being betrayed by Leftist Mir Jaffers and the so-called Rightist Opportunists.

I had been wearing my over night thinking cap, and I beleive that the another unstated reason for the Commies doing halla against the deal is the visit of the Japanese PM to India, and the agrrements he will sign with us.

Some of these agreements/understandings are:
1. The signing of the comprehensive economic partnership agreement (CEPA).
2. The $90 billion Delhi Mumbai industrial corridor.
3. The expanding military ties.
4. The possible oil swap deals/energy security.

What is interesting is that except for #4, all other points hurt China. Let's take it point by point:

#1 & 2. The CEPA will ensure that India becomes the favoured manufacturing outsourcing country, DISPLACING China. This is the biggest body blow to the Chinese manufacturing juggernaut.

Remeber that 70% of China' exports are made by foreign companies. While I don't have the breakup countrywise, it is easy to surmise that Japan is one of the largest (if not the largest) investor in China's manufacturing secotr. Removal of the Japanese factories/investment from CHina, and its subsequent set up/investment India is thus a double blow to CHina's plans. Not only does it weaken China, it strengthens India - thus doubly weakening China.

No wonder the communists are desparately trying to protect their masters in the Forbidden City.


#3. Military ties have a two pronged approach. One is the protection of sea lanes - from both pirates and countries. The other is cooperation in fighting wars. Both are anti China.

Most pirates in the SEA region are either affiliated to China or N Korea. The chinese connections may be to officials or to the triads, which are themselves anyway linked to the Chinese government.


A flashed in my mind when I linked the Nuke deal with the other moves India is making - and analysed their implications on China.

Isnt this crap? Are there any raw Thorium burning reactors even in experiment stage? Thorium needs to be irradiated and converted before it can be used.

Patience onlee.

We will show that the Chinese will never be able to match us in any class.

In the meantime, here is the list of things the Chinese have got from us:
1. Their religion (naturally).
2. Martial Arts (made by a South Indian monk - Bodhidharma).
3. Chinese medicine (made by Siddhartha Gautam).
4. Pagodas (developed in Nepal).


What exactly is China's contribution to Indian culture???

This is not feasible. Japs are too culturally integrated with the Chinese to even think of doing this. A visiting Japanese businessman can feel at home in China, eat their food, visit their Karaoke bars and sleep with their hookers. Here they live a horrible life (in their perception). Plus the demographic invasion of Japan by Chinese will continue and increase, because of declining Jap. population. Much as they hate them, Japs finally dont mind the Chinese simply because it is hard to tell them apart once they start dressing decently and talking Japanese.

They are just buying insurance policy with a lot of the premium paid by ourselves. We can also play along for a while and milk some gains (loans are not cheap or not cheap) but not trust the Japs anymore we trust the Chinese.

Sorry OT.

FYI from 1998
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/ ... _2893.html


http://www.sentinelassam.com/sentinel_en/editorial.htm

This is how the CPI reacted to nuclear tests in 1998
http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pI ... 50804.html

Suppaih, the so called cutural affinity did not prevent the Chinese from trashing the Japanese in their riots, or the Japanese from conducting the rape of nanking.

Last post. OT.

One thing you can say about the commies - They have been consistently anti-India in their outlook and activities - right from pre-independance times.

Here's a list of their shamelessness:

1. Betrayed Indian nationalists during the quit India movement to the British. Said that their stance would "increase chances of a proletariet revolution in India". Real reason - Stalin was ally of US/UK.

When faced with a choice between India and Russia - they chose - Russia.


2. Blamed India for starting the 1962 war. Supported China.

When faced with a choice between India and China - they chose - China.


3. Supported Indira Gandhi's emergency regime. Betrayed people fighting the dictatorship, like they did in Quit India Movement.

When faced with a choice between India and IG- they chose - IG.


4. Condemned the nuclear tests of 1998.

When faced with a choice between India on one hand and the US/China/NPAs/other assorted anti India forces on the other - they chose - US/China/NPAs/other assorted anti India forces.




So it is clear, the communists support anybody or any thing - even the US - as long as it is not in India's favour. Who are they trying to fool now?

Commies are being set up. Don't worry. Hopefully they will get screwed royally.

But I don't think they are that dumb. They won't pull the government down...

Beijing must have pushed the panic button... Commies are prancing about like puppets under a drunken puppetmaster... Still they have to chose between domestic power continuation and Beijing's orders...

rgsrini:

MMS had BJP's leaders, including Arun Shourie, over into his office and explained the salient points of the deal to them the moment it was signed. That was before the text was released. This is more than what he's done for any other party. He didn't call BSP's or Akali Dal's leaders, for example.

"Not even making an attempt" is not correct. BJP has to do what it's doing because this is how opposition in India is supposed to behave.

I would jusr lurve to hear some more on this.

Beijing is so desperate that it is pushing the commies to do what they are not too keen on:to break the government. They were having it good all these days quitely pushing their agenda without any one noticing.
Now,they are out in the open and exposed for the traitors they are!!!!!
Am sure that the average indian is seeing the commies in their true traitorous colours......they will pay for it in the next elections (except in the goondadoms of WB,kerala)and even in the present govt if the crisis blows over........all for the love of Bejing
Atleast the deal exposed the commies which itself is a great achivement.

Acharya I can answer most of those questions fairly easily. Unfortunately at least two are stupid - and I will leave it at at that - those two questions have been framed with rhetoric and criticism in mind and not out of any knowledge or sense.

The BJP asked that all questions pertaining to national security should be ratified by parliament. The CPI asked the BJP exactly the same question in 1998, and it was dismissed. The Congress too will dismiss this question - and I note in todays news that they have done that.

India's ambassador to the US apologizes for the 'headless chicken' comment

How unfortunate that Ronen Sen has to apologize to the jokers for making a right observation.

Abhishek,

Its pure speculation on my part. Of course we will see how this pans out...

Sum,


The chinis have demonstrated (in hindsight) an amazing ability to shoot themselves in the foot in longterm strategic terms. But for their ill-advised 1962 misadventure, they wouldn't have woken up a sleeping giant to quietly rid itself of a leader whose time had gone (JLN), rebuild a strong military and start the N-program.

Now, by blatantly manipulating our resident Beijing-bhakts (CPM commies) and waking up the UPA (& the NDA), they've revealed their hand (prematurely, IMO) and this particular card will diminish in importance and usability (hopefully) in more pressing times to come.

Whats more, the Beijing-bhakts under PRC orders have unwittingly taken on a desi neta-babu dispensation that has the backing of massa himself. Tough combo, I tell ya. Massa's hold on our babu-neta's balls (which babu-neta doesn't have family and/or friends stationed in the US/UK/ANZ zone, I ask ya?) is probably weightier than beijing's hold on commie balls (IMVVHO, of course).

Beijing's pushing its other puppet (muskrat) in TSP to action in lal masjid has also paid handsome dividends to PRC, no? Let 'em geniuses continue this line of tactical brilliance (and strategic stupidity). Penny wise-pound foolish.

Jai Maharashtra

Ji..pls dont ask easy questions, even a village boy knows it is Maoists/Maoism

Surely, ours spooks must be having tons of dirt on the commies......
Isnt this the time to start leaking the tit bits to browbeat the commies???