Quote from the articlesanjaychoudhry wrote:Great. Now Rediff can do an article on "The Agony of Being a Child Rapist in Tihar Jail."Wow...the more I read Rediff, the more I am convinced that they have an agenda - to say the least.
The agony of being a migrant in Jaipur
No sir, Only Indians need to worry, not Bangladeshis.Indians like him are not the only ones who are miffed at the police action. Even Bangladeshis who had settled in Jaipur long ago are worried.
The Movement Against Terrorism (MAT), a new front of moderate clerics, will exhort imams at mosques across north India to use the Friday prayer to speak out against the murderous Islamic groups.
"MAT, as per it charter, is a fight against terrorism. A fight against the international conspiracy to paint the entire Muslim community as terrorists. A fight against those who justify bombings and blasts as a ‘revenge’ under Islam,"
yes , but when it came to taking help from the Jihadis in the eighties , the question of Pagri turned a certain section of sikhs into anti-nationals. let us not forget that.What happened in Punjab was a simple question of our PAGRI (Turbans which both Hindu and Sikh wear, old timers may recall) and when the crunch time came Jihadis were paid back not in the same but even more savege and larger coin
I think the thread is about Jaipur blasts and our reaction to them in historical and geo-political context. I tried to explain the Punjabi reaction to Jihadi terrorism that was perpetrated against Punjab by them for past 8 centuries. 1980s were a time of great mismanagement by Gandhi family and as soon as they lost power both in party and in Lok Sabha the things normalized fairly quickly. Those terrible days were another ball game altogether. Even during those days I am proud to say a lot of Sikhs came out openly to defend India and Punjabiyat and lost their lives in the process. Sauravji let us not denigrate any part of India they all make up our Bharat the Mahan country that it is. Forumites on a more serious note let us develop a manual or a guide to help common man deal with such situations (bomb blasts etc) if they are unfortunate enough to find themselves in one. It must include the various responses like first aid, evacuation techniques etc so that atleast some people are their ready to do their bit.
On this one, Pakis, through their ISI outwtted India, no doubt about it. It punched India on its b@lls just before the meeting circus and on the 10th anniversary of Pokran-II, reminding it not to get too uppity with its IT super power status and nukes and IPL. And the tactic sure evinced respect from India with our guys going and bending down on their knees, and of course, the 'international community' declares India Paki equal equal. Game, set, and match Pakis on this round. Until the next one ...vaman wrote:Jaipur probe leads nowhere
Munna,munna wrote:Guys I guess you all are mistaking a cultural divide for religious one, Punjab (Unified in 1947) included Haryana, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh was a Hindu majority area. The massive killings that took place were shared in reasonable proportion amongst Hindus and Sikhs or rather us Punjabis. Its just that the Kangressis tried to later give a bad name to Sikhs through their pet historians by laying entire blame at their feet, which being a Punjabi Hindu I shall have to strongly refute. Punjabi Hindus have very strong affiliations to 10 Gurus and believe in them very strongly. What Punjab did in 1947 was condemned by Gandhi and other Kangressis because whole of Punjab refused to buy into the dhimmi propoganda of Kangress unlike the other state that got partitioned (I dont want to be parochial).
What happened in Punjab was a simple question of our PAGRI (Turbans which both Hindu and Sikh wear, old timers may recall) and when the crunch time came Jihadis were paid back not in the same but even more savege and larger coin.
Shows the handiwork of an intelligence agency. When all clues dry up its ususally an intelligence agency thats at the root of it for only they have the resources and skills to leave no traces or misleading traces.CRamS wrote:On this one, Pakis, through their ISI outwtted India, no doubt about it. It punched India on its b@lls just before the meeting circus and on the 10th anniversary of Pokran-II, reminding it not to get too uppity with its IT super power status and nukes and IPL. And the tactic sure evinced respect from India with our guys going and bending down on their knees, and of course, the 'international community' declares India Paki equal equal. Game, set, and match Pakis on this round. Until the next one ...vaman wrote:Jaipur probe leads nowhere
Surinder, Just a thought.Punjabis didn't start cleaning up simply becasue Pakistan was created.The clean up thing started only after trains full of murdered Hindus/Sikhs started reachingsurinder wrote:munna wrote:
Going against the prevailing Congressi policy of appeasement of poobaah's men, Punjabis (both Hindus & Sikhs) cleaned up the whole of Punjab of them. (While I personally have always felt uncomfortable about it, but over the years have seen the positive effects of that act.) If the rest of the country had followed the Punjabi example, India would be in much much better place right now. The cities of Delhi, Lucknow, Aligarh and all the rest of N. India could have been cleaned up. The window of opportunity existed for almost 3-5 years. Deoband should have been trashed. AMU, where the murderous 2 nation theory was hashed, should have been destroyed.
Unfortunately, most of India chose not to follow the Punjabi example. They, if anything, looked down upon the Punjabis. Punjabis being simple people, not given to a lot of intellectualism, understood the threat from poobaah very well. They understood that by setting up Pakistan, muzims have ceased the right to stay in India proper. They went ahead and imposed their judgement. Mind you, it was not inspired by any leader of any merit (most of them were Congressi, by the way), but it was a grassroot level understanding that the Hindu/Sikh punjabis acted upon.
By keeping poobah's in India, India got the worst of both worlds---it lost strategic territory, and did not even solve the poobah problem. Poobah's walked away with 30% of India, and got a cushy spot in India too. They can live in entire Akhand Bharat---anywhere from Peshawar to Dhacca. Kaafirs cannot.
Consequences of this are there for us to see in 2008. Jaipur is just one in the series---many have happened in the past, and many shall happen in the future.
I stand corrected. You are right. If the Muzlims had let the Sikhs/Hindus stay in Pakistan, the poobaah's would have been allowed to stay in Inian Punjab.VikasRaina wrote:Surinder, Just a thought.Punjabis didn't start cleaning up simply becasue Pakistan was created.The clean up thing started only after trains full of murdered Hindus/Sikhs started reaching
Amritsar along with stories of atrocities on Women/Children by Islamic jehadis in Lahore,Peshawar and other small towns.
I have a fascinating article by CPI-M on how they worked in refugee camps to brainwash the hindu refugees on not to retaliate against muslimssurinder wrote:I stand corrected. You are right. If the Muzlims had let the Sikhs/Hindus stay in Pakistan, the poobaah's would have been allowed to stay in Inian Punjab.VikasRaina wrote:Surinder, Just a thought.Punjabis didn't start cleaning up simply becasue Pakistan was created.The clean up thing started only after trains full of murdered Hindus/Sikhs started reaching
Amritsar along with stories of atrocities on Women/Children by Islamic jehadis in Lahore,Peshawar and other small towns.
The other towns I guess never saw those trains or heard stories otherwise rest of the India is not known for their compassion during riots.
You may be right, but the story of atrocities reached at least till Delhi (which was not completely cleansed.) The stories must have reached Maharastra, Gujrat, Rajasthan. Karachi was cleansed and the Sindhis dispatched to India. Also, PoK was cleansed (Muzzafarabad had a significant Hindu/Sikh population).
The process of exchange of populations went on for a few years after 1947. The stories had time to percolate to the Gangetic heartland by that time. But it did not make a difference. More importantly, West Bengal must have been first hand witness to atrocities of the poobaah's, they did not cleanse themselves fully.
NEW DELHI: A man suspected to be involved in the Jaipur serial blasts, which killed over 60 people and injured more than 200, was arrested here late Wednesday, police said.
The militant, whose identity was not revealed, was nabbed from Chelmsford Road, the stretch leading to New Delhi Railway Station from Connaught Place, at around 8:30 pm.
The arrest by Delhi Police's Special Cell came following a tip off from intelligence agencies.
"There was an intelligence input that a militant is coming to Delhi," Deputy Commissioner of Police (Special Cell) Alok Kumar told reporters.
Kumar refused to provide the identity of the militant or where he came from.
"We have just started interrogating him. We cannot reveal everything now," he added.
The militant's arrest here comes in the backdrop of serial blasts in the Pink City last week.
Typically, such directives are more for the eyes of the Kaafirs.Karan Dixit wrote:The Maulanas, it may be recalled, had sent a directive to all Imams in the state, asking them to make a speech at the end of the Friday prayers in their mosques and request the members of the community not to provide any support to those involved in terrorist activities.
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Myself just tired of this same boring discussion over and over again.SBajwa wrote:How long before Patriotic Indians will hate this inaction by Indian Government ?
Will we see any outrage on streets ever?
This will have the same fate what Anti-Terrorism Conference Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband had.surinder wrote:Typically, such directives are more for the eyes of the Kaafirs.Karan Dixit wrote:The Maulanas, it may be recalled, had sent a directive to all Imams in the state, asking them to make a speech at the end of the Friday prayers in their mosques and request the members of the community not to provide any support to those involved in terrorist activities.
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I have yet to see a sincere attempt to stop terror/extremism. Ideally, the debate should be an intra-Islaam debate; Kaafirs should be merely flies on the wall. But the situation usually is the opposite.
Not thinking along these lines shows the political innocence of BJP compared to Congress.paramu wrote:Why doesn't Rajasthan govt. sponsor a rally to mourn for the victims and also to protest against such terrorist activities. On the rally people should demand stricter laws against terrorism. Ideal time for the rally is the day after final rites of the dead are performed.
This type rallys should become common whenever a terrorist attack happens in the country so that pressure builds on central govt. to support laws and stop pampering to pakis.