Terror Attacks in Mumbai

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:19

The terrorists have come with huge quantity of RDX and dispersed over Mumbai. They may not yet have triggers. TimesNow reporting.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 11:19

Times Now quoting intel sources:

10 terrorists came from Karachi by boat
IP address of email sent by Deccan Muj traced to Russia

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 11:20

George J wrote:You Hot-Air Ayatollahs really make for poor jingos. I am very disappointed in the caliber of technical discussion on the new and improved BRF. If any of you really care about this issue please google for BPJ and you will find the differing standards. Don't take this thread on a whine tangent. If you have any common sense you will post this on the Mil side where you can actually have a decent discussion on this subject.

Also in case you kids missed it, the MARCOS were involved from very early in the game (see my first post many pages ago). They are far better qualified than any other asset available to MH govt when this crisis began. It takes time to assess the gravity of the situation, assemble a team, prep your gear, get on a plane and get to Mumbai and 200 NSG are very much required for the scale of ops in Oberoi. The small(er) MARCOS team held up VERY WELL till the NSG came to relive them. If we are lucky might get to hear what they did when some of them get their Ashok Chakra.

Some of you actually get the purpose of this thread: to post news/facts from ALL SOURCES that relate to this topic. The rest of you just want indulge in typographical flatulence. There is more noise than signal on this thread now.

I totally agree they most definitely need more NSGs. The whole world is watching. India must show - not only to the terrorists; but also to the world that it can get past such worst-case scenarios. Let's see how it pans out.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Nov 2008 11:21

Rahul bajaj said something that will scare UPA much more than the usual 300-400 killed. dont have the exact quote, flashed on TV.

the two biggest hangouts of the south mumbai elites have been hit.
and the impact will be felt in election funding.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:21

GoI is approaching this as a 'war-time emergency'. TimesNow.

akumar · Post by **akumar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:22

Dorkette host at NDTV

“The cops has asked us not to reveal any details, but we know that Commandoes have taken up position as you can see in these visuals”

NDTV is showing close up shots of NSG sharpshooter inclding their faces. Just short of actually interviewing them.

Do these low life scum’s have any scruples left ?

Praveen · Post by **Praveen** » 27 Nov 2008 11:23

NDTV showing lots of ambulances in front of TAJ hotel.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Nov 2008 11:23

lets concentrate on the IB report. iIt means all the local terrorists stuff is all minor piddly stuff. The major stuff still comes from TSP. As narayanan said and says "Destroy TSP give Peace a chance". What the IB report means is that so long as TSP is there there will be terror inside India.They will do their utmost to find some grieved soul to perpeterate terror inside India. So its question of survival. TSP wont change it has been given many chances. Right after 911 by US and then by India after the Dec 13 2001 attack on parliment and then agai in May 2002 after the kaluchak attack. It just wont change. It has to be destroyed and its not a thing to be bargained for. There is no other alternative. Its just a matter of national survival for India. The UK created a monster and is making India and US pay the price of that creation.

That Honble MP Sajjid Karim, holed up in the Hotel I am sure he is on "Save Kashmir" terrorist group committees. How does he feel about what he and his ilk have supported. In fact google shows he was protesting the French ban on the hijab!

BTW the Tories are blogging the attack:

LINK

Why dont we start naming the dorks and dorkettes on DDM who are doing this damage?

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 11:23

Times Now:

Terrorist being interrogated was captured at Trident
Terrorists did not come with the intent of taking hostages
Intel agencies calling it an LeT operation
Captured terrorist was first interrogated at a hospital
Captured terrorist confesses to being trained in Pakistan
Indian Home Secretary still in Pakistan
Times Now anchor saying Pakistan is sending a message that do not discount us.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:23

One terrorist held in Trident/Oberoi y'day and interrogated. (per Times Now)
No intent of taking hostages, kill as many as possible.
12 folks came from Karachi. It is LeT module.

Timing is clear ( Indian home sec is Shitstan and Paki FM is in India)
Something was cooking underneath...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:24

Looks like the situation at Taj is coming to an end. A few bodies have been brought out.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 27 Nov 2008 11:24

Why does CNN international take off J&K completely from the map of India?
It doesn't even show it as disputed territory.....its being shown as part of Pakistan and part China

Mathew G wrote:CNN IBN seems to be the best coverage of the lot. Kudos to them.

They report 12 terrorists holed up the Taj.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 11:24

man, AajTak is showing the sniper positions. This is crazy media.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 11:25

Times Now anchor taking a hard stance. Saying this operation has direct involvement of the Paki military establishment though he did call them the rogue elements in the Army.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Nov 2008 11:26

EDITED - read your PM box before you post again

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 11:26

AajTak is also reporting that the terrorists are in possession of sat phones.

Praveen · Post by **Praveen** » 27 Nov 2008 11:26

Muppalla wrote:man, AajTak is showing the sniper positions. This is crazy media.

Even NDTV show em.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 11:26

anishns wrote:Why does CNN international take off J&K completely from the map of India?

I did send an email to them the moment I saw it on TV a few hours back. I think more of us should send emails to them to make them realize their mistake.

Praveen · Post by **Praveen** » 27 Nov 2008 11:27

NDTV says that they came from Gujarat in fishing trawlers.

amit · Post by **amit** » 27 Nov 2008 11:28

Some of the economic ramifications which are happening. However, I agree with Suraj that there's no empirical evidence to show lasting economic damage from these dastardly attacks - something which, I'm sure, is immensely disappointing for the masterminds.

India Halts Trading of Stocks, Bonds, Rupee on Mumbai Attacks

Dell bans travel to India

Indian markets shut; attack raises risk premium

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:29

All anchors are shaken and you can sense the anger.
Arnab (Times Now Anchor) giving nice coverage to Modi...
He is mad like hell that the Mah Cabinet was not conveyed until 2:00 pm today.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:33

The two speed boats could have accommodated no more than 10-12 folks.
Per the channels they divided into two groups..
One group entered Taj and other split up for VT Station, Taj and other Cafe

The fishermen tell the scum were TFTA and came in at 8:30 pm

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:33

Earlier on CNN there were references to Al Queda...

Little later, Internaltional security correspondent (Paula Newton from London newsroom) says that "millitants" seem to have arrived on boat and the overtaking of police vehicle.

She also says Al Queda coudn't establish foothold in India and that it seems more likely internal struggle, seperatists likely related to Kashmir.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 27 Nov 2008 11:34

One point must be stressed - there is no excuse for this sort of cowardice attack on civilians. Any media person justifying terrorist attack based on past grievances should be arrested for inciting communal violence. We do have laws that prohibit individuals from inciting communal violence.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 27 Nov 2008 11:34

What shown on TV was rubber inflatable boats, not speed boats.

ssaravanan · Post by **ssaravanan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:35

My heartfelt condolences to the families of those killed by these pigs.

For those brave hearts from the Mumbai Police, ATS, NSG, Marcos and other security personnel who laid down their lives in the line of duty,

RIP Gentlemen.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 11:36

Bodies being bought out of Taj.

Burkha is insisting that talks are on with piglets in trident.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:36

a_kumar wrote:She also says Al Queda coudn't establish foothold in India and that it seems more likely internal struggle, seperatists likely related to Kashmir.

This is the line of reasoning that we can expect from the West. They would like to use this as an opportunity to insert themselves in the Kashmir issue.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:36

The Koli (Fishermen) community immediately informed the pandus sitting near by about the new TFTA but were ignored. This is pathetic...

Then walked all over to India Gate and other locations

Good coverage on India TV

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 11:37

20 Israelis Missing. Amazing how the Israelis did a quick spot check on their citizens while the British and US do not know how many of their citizens are missing.

Looks like this is getting worse.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Nov 2008 11:38

not that it matters but uk high commissioner is flying to mumbai to
represent his govt for the citizens wounded or held hostage.
and the angrez cricket tour is cancelled.

zodiac rafts are only used by military types imo. points to some good degree of x-training in pakistan including naval & sea keeping skills.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Nov 2008 11:39

SSridhar wrote:
a_kumar wrote:She also says Al Queda coudn't establish foothold in India and that it seems more likely internal struggle, seperatists likely related to Kashmir.
This is the line of reasoning that we can expect from the West. They would like to use this as an opportunity to insert themselves in the Kashmir issue.

1. There are people with vested interests in west who use above line of argument , however what is concerning is common public in US accepts it as a fact.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:40

RR Patil: No negotiations going with scums.

Barkha still reporting that negotiations are on...

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 11:41

CNN-IBN reporting that 20 to 25 'naval commandos' engaged the terrorists at the Trident early in the morning and this enabled around 300 guests to escape. One commando died in this operation.

The Marcos could probably have gone in guns blazing but chose not to do so as it would have caused collateral damage (my .02).

Raj · Post by **Raj** » 27 Nov 2008 11:42

Singha wrote:not that it matters but uk high commissioner is flying to mumbai to
represent his govt for the citizens wounded or held hostage.
and the angrez cricket tour is cancelled.

zodiac rafts are only used by military types imo. points to some good degree of x-training in pakistan including naval & sea keeping skills.

UK high Commissioner was interviewed by CNN -IBN anchor in Mumbai. He said seven English were injured.

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:42

BBC world service, saying that attack on jewish targets maybe overblown in the media, no doubt that the brunt of the attacks have been targeted at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 27 Nov 2008 11:42

NDTV: 100 hostages in Trident, including many Israelis

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 27 Nov 2008 11:43

"Pakistan Often is the fall guy when these kind of attacks happen": Burkha Dutt, NDTV.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Nov 2008 11:43

pradeepe wrote:I still cant comprehend the ATS losses.

Looks like a Hail Mary from the ISI. Was there a trigger?

Isloo, Karachi and Pindi will have to burn for this.

Pakistani military/ISI strategic logic goes like this: Attack India and create a dangerous situation. Run to the US and tell them the situation is fraught with nuclear danger, and the danger can only go away if they make India give Kashmir to them.

Plus, they are institutionally incapable of thinking of alternate strategies. Just look at their response to the domestic upheavals they faced in the last two years--they kept trying the same failed tactics (kill, arrest, intimidate, grin ingratiatingly at the West, repeat) over and over again, and didn't have an alternate strategic framework to make adjustments with what passes for civil society over there. (Granted, it would be very hard to change any strategic framework just like that, even if you are not a corrupt military dictatorship.)

They did this with Kargil. It didnt' quite work. But now they sense a new opportunity with ambiguous statement on Kashmir coming from the US president-elect. They don't have any other strategy on the shelf, so they reach for the same old one, and hope that it will work this time, given different actors in Washington.

In the worst case, they would still have inflicted massive tactical damage on India, who has more and more to lose each day. They on the other hand, have little to lose.

A no-lose decision, if you are a Pakistani. Zardari making nice could have been a feint, or irrelevant wishful blathering by a president who ultimately doesn't control anything of strategic consequence anyway.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:44

90-100 Israelis in Nariman house are hostages. This was revealed by three who escaped/let off. This is amazing, without intel/recce this would not have been possible.