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“India is asserting itself in ways we didn’t imagine possible” a decade ago, with “foreign investment, its technological reach, the importance of Indian corporations, and this creates frictions with the United States,”
But why? Cohen has had sour grapes forever because he has been consistently wrong when it come to India as a "expert". He is definitely an expert on the taliban, along with Maro Goli, and he should stick to what he is good at!
However, sources said, US is not keen to go public on this because exceptions have been made for India, deviating from the standard format of the EUV so as to accommodate Indian concerns over on-site inspections.
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This will be her first visit after having recovered from her elbow fracture and, sources said, Washington was cautious not to include a Pakistan stopover for her so as to avoid any notion of re-hyphenating India and Pakistan.
I am getting more and more impressed with the MMS Govt! and thankful that Hillary is using her own common sense.
harbans wrote:PS: We all need to protest to google earth for showing Arunachal Pradesh as disputed in red lines.
*I mentioned this here some time back. Shocking. We don't consider it disputed. Thats why i said then, using the same logic, lets claim Kashi, Mansarover, Tibet. Let the world see these areas marked in 'disputed red' too. Paki's and Pandas play the PR game well. Or is i because there are some people of Chinese origin in google at the top?
We should ask Google to show parts of the US such as California, New Mexico as disputed.
I feel that we should wait a few days to see what transpires from the Clinton visit.
My as-I-post-feel is that India and the US are working closely to close loop holes within PakiLand.
Fit will not be perfect, but good enough.
On the topic of India funding TSP, it is up to India IMHO to break free of foreign dependency. The feeding of TSP is a US interest - India cannot control that. India can control and has failed to control what she herself does.
I agree Raoji. Anytime a desi wins a award or prize in phoren land, he or she becomes an authority on India. Only he/she knows the problems facing this nation and the solution is to appease TSP and followers of peaceful religion.
Washington, July 15: US secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton hopes to use her charm, guile and persuasion in New Delhi on Monday to ram down the throat of a deeply divided UPA government an end-use verification agreement for defence supplies from America.
Defence minister A.K. Antony is opposed to the agreement. So are sizeable sections of India’s men in uniform in the top tiers of all the three defence services who feel the agreement will compromise the independence and flexibility of the country’s armed forces.
At the time of writing, therefore, Antony has discreetly decided to stay away from the capital and not meet Clinton or sign the agreement. But this may yet change, according to Indian sources.
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... But the Americans, in a hurry to sell military equipment to India, working through their lobbies in New Delhi and Mumbai, have now decided to cut the defence ministry out of the process and get the prime minister's office to use the ministry of external affairs to short-cut the Indian signature on the agreement.
Two other defence agreements under negotiation between India and the US are equally controversial: a logistics support agreement, which permits US ships and aircraft to refuel in India and vice versa and a communications interoperability and security memorandum of agreement, which commits India to absolute confidentiality about military equipment and processes bought from America.
... As a sop for signing the end-use verification agreement on Monday, Clinton will tell the Indian side that Washington is ready to begin talks with New Delhi on reprocessing American spent nuclear fuel in India. Blake said the talks were most likely to begin at the end of this month.
India had notified the US on February 3 that it would like these talks, a part of the Indo-US nuclear deal, to begin soon.
The Obama administration, which has six months to respond to the Indian initiative, has been dragging its feet on the issue since then, but is now clearly offering it as a quid pro quo for the military agreement that it wants signed during the Clinton trip.
As a sop for signing the end-use verification agreement on Monday, Clinton will tell the Indian side that Washington is ready to begin talks with New Delhi on reprocessing American spent nuclear fuel in India. Blake said the talks were most likely to begin at the end of this month.
India had notified the US on February 3 that it would like these talks, a part of the Indo-US nuclear deal, to begin soon.
The Obama administration, which has six months to respond to the Indian initiative, has been dragging its feet on the issue since then, but is now clearly offering it as a quid pro quo for the military agreement that it wants signed during the Clinton trip.
India has to spell out properly, what are Indian concerns regarding the End-Use Verification Agreement for defense supplies from America. If USA can meet Indian concerns, then we sign it, otherwise we don't. Secondly we should clearly state, that Indo-US defense cooperation is directly proportional to how often US pursues its rights under this agreement, which acts as disturbance/annoyance to the military.
In case it is a question of their Laws, they can go to their Congress for an exception, but India cannot make an exception to its National Security interests.
But the Americans, in a hurry to sell military equipment to India, working through their lobbies in New Delhi and Mumbai, have now decided to cut the defence ministry out of the process and get the prime minister's office to use the ministry of external affairs to short-cut the Indian signature on the agreement.
But the Americans, in a hurry to sell military equipment to India, working through their lobbies in New Delhi and Mumbai, have now decided to cut the defence ministry out of the process and get the prime minister's office to use the ministry of external affairs to short-cut the Indian signature on the agreement.
Bhai Log
There is always a way of scuttling Unkils effort on EUVA, LSP agreement. Lets first put a condition if this EUVA is shoved down our throat and the condition is
Fine if you want to verify your equipment. Only equipment can be verified that are at peace station, at repair shop, training purpose. You will have no access to Forward Operating bases. You cannot check our reserves, cannot over rule our supplies. We can certainly send back faulty equipment, out of service equipment and you can lick it till Bhains comes home.
As far as LSP is concerned. It is given that US forces will be using more of our facility than we using theirs. We just don't have the need or the reach to use their facility. So, at the end of the year we will balance our books at the current international price of Fuel, Repair. Lets make some money while we can, why get principled every time we are dealing with Unkil.
If things go as they are going India will loose sovereignty within a year
In just 3 months
1. Pressure to sign NPT
2. Pressure to give up stance on climate change
3. Pressure to give up relations with Iran
4. Pressure w.r.t "Nuclear Deal"
5. Pressure to give away Kashmir and talk with Pak
6. Diplomatic downgrade
7. End User Agreement
8. WTO concessions
9. American Nuclear Reactors
10. Pressure on MRCA ( I some how feel F-16 will be chosen)
Makes me nostalgic about 2004-08 when left supported the UPA
Secretary of state Hillary Clinton flies into Mumbai on Friday to resuscitate America's alliance with India and restore the love for Brand USA. Top of the agenda will be discussions around agreements that will help US firms sell sophisticated arms and nuclear equipment to India, officials said here.
During Clinton's passage to India, the two countries may sign an 'end-user monitoring' agreement.
US companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing are competing to get a piece of the $30 billion India is expected to spend on military procurement over five years. They need the pact to be able to bid on India's plans to buy 126 multi-role fighters and military hardware with advanced US technology. A technology safeguards agreement on space launches is also in the works.
If the end-use monitoring agreement is signed, assistant secretary of state Robert Blake suggested it would be on Monday, at the Hyderabad House, in New Delhi. According to Blake, the US hopes India will use Clinton's five-day trip to announce two sites where US firms will enjoy exclusive rights to build nuclear power plants.
Is that DDM speculating or are those hints being dropped? I think the next few days BRF is in for mucho
Post Cold-War, there is a new dynamic entering into the Indian Foreign Policy. Its acquiescence to United States is directly proportional to the level of US leverage over Pakistan and level of cooperation with PRC, even as the warmth in our relations is directly proportional to the pro-Indian attitude of USA.
Indian Foreign Policy probably thinks that as of now the warmth India had enjoyed with the Bush Administration, is nowhere to be seen in an Obama Administration. The old Democrats are still in power, who look at India with blinkered glasses of non-proliferation, third level power status, etc. In order to break their hold over State Dept. policy towards India, India seems to be going out of the way to prove to them, that India is a trustworthy 'ally'. Especially as the Obama Administration has decided to shower Pakistan with monies and apparently move close to TSPA, the Indians Foreign Policy babus probably feel, that they do no want to allow Pakistan, based on its level of heightened access to power centers in Washington D.C., to wage a kaan-bharna campaign against India, with their complaints and critic falling on fertile ground of a Democratic Administration. So as long as the US Govt. lends Pakistan heightened importance, and India feels that it has earned goodwill in the Democratic Administration on a self-sustainable basis, India would continue to buy its way in into America's good books.
Considering that India cannot give in too much in areas of national scrutiny like on the Nuclear Front on NPT, CTBT, etc. and only reluctantly in areas of WTO trade deal, climate change, it has probably been decided that India could concede in an area of prime importance for the USA, the Af-Pak dynamics, which involves improving on the atmospherics between the two countries. A bitter pill to swallow in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks but nevertheless a concession one could give considering UPA's substantial mandate in the 2009 General Elections.
Another way of looking at it is the old tradition where an outlying kingdom pays a tribute and sends gifts when a new Pharaoh is crowned, in this case Barack Hussein Obama as the President of the United States of America.
Now the reasons are fourfold as to why it is deemed necessary to appease America.
1. The Nuclear Deal: MMS invested a lot of political capital in this Deal. Should the non-proliferation obsessed Obama Administration renege on its commitment to pursue the Nuclear Deal or fail to keep India's concessions in it, obfuscated in diplomatic language, then it would mean a huge loss of face for MMS personally and all the political forces in the country would pounce on him baying for his blood.
2. It is known wisdom that the situation in Pakistan would get worse before it gets worser. India wants to be intimately briefed by the Washington on the going-ons, and would want to be a trusted dialog partner of USA when the situation goes beyond control, and everything starts falling apart over there. Cooperation would be needed in fields from denuking, to intelligence gathering and sharing, to supporting various groups, to hindering other groups from power grabs, to managing eventually the birth of new states in an 'erstwhile' Pakistan.
3. The big reason is, of course, the trio tango between USA-PRC-India. As USA becomes more dependent on PRC for the health of its economy, India gets relegated to an ignorable. With PRC becoming more aggressive in the North-East India, bringing up its string of pearls, shoring up its proxy Pakistan vs India, etc. it was felt that it will be difficult to hold back PRC's mischief by India all alone. PRC has to feel that on this front USA is with India, and as such should not feel too overconfident of pulling off another 1962 or something even worse. An equi-distant US position on this would not help. USA has to see India as an ally. The doctrine of balance of power in Asia should remain, and Obama should not feel like giving the keys to Asia to Beijing, at least not as long as India has closed this power-differential with PRC to some extent.
4. India's only escape pod from the containment field in which China and Pakistan has forced India into is massive economical growth and a parallel decent military capability buildup. Every economy that has prospered in the last 60 years has done so, only in cooperation with USA. India too needs a benign, indeed a positive, business climate with USA, especially during the present financial crisis, where the forces of protectionism have grown louder including in USA. India lags far behind in infrastructure compared to China. Usually only when the US gives the nod, do its allies come forth with support for such projects, like as in the case of Japan, willing to finance the Mumbai-Delhi Industrial Corridor, etc. Only Infrastructure growth can assure a dynamic manufacturing base in the country, which is what is needed to compete with the likes of PRC.
India has been able to have a productive and warm relationship with a Republican Administration. Indian Foreign Policy establishment probably thinks, that Indo-US relations would only then be considered self-sustainable when India manages to have a similar quality to that relationship with a Democratic Administration as well.
There is an awareness in Policy circles that from Pakistan, India will get absolutely nothing, not even a decrease in terrorism. There is no use of talks for the sake of peace. So it matters little whether there is any mutual joint statements, composite dialogues, or anything of the kind. India is not going to be giving Pakistan anything other than time-pass talks. These have only the agenda of keeping US happy, and nothing more.
People looking for something Chankyan on the Indo-Pak front would not find anything like that there, because all the posturing is on the Indo-US front. The shopkeeper has given the brat a lolly so that he can flirt with the Nanny.
Any Indo-Pak reconciliation etc. is nothing bilateral. It is a Indo-US understanding.
I fervently pray that our Congress led Government will not commemorate the visit of the US Secretary of State by shocking us all with a Shram El Sheikh like sequel on the climate change and nuclear non-proliferation issues:
Clinton can deliver a tough message to India
By Strobe Talbott
Published: July 16 2009 20:06 | Last updated: July 16 2009 20:06
When Hillary Clinton arrives in India on Friday, the US secretary of state will no doubt strike the upbeat tone that befits relations between the world’s two largest democracies. But she is expected also to engage her hosts candidly on two issues that have been contentious in the past and may be in future: climate change and nuclear non-proliferation.
In both areas, President Barack Obama’s positions are radically different from his predecessor’s. …………………
Those Bush policies suited many Indians. In their view, a global regime to restrict carbon emissions could hinder India’s growth, while the CTBT and the NPT blocked their right to develop the nuclear-weapons capability their government demonstrated when it conducted a series of tests in 1998. …………………….
Mr Obama, however, is committed to ratifying the CTBT, strengthening the NPT, and pursuing other treaties to prevent the spread of dangerous material and technology. He also intends for the US to be part of the international effort to replace the Kyoto protocol with a treaty-based climate-control regime including India, China and other emerging powers. …………………..
The writer, president of the Brookings Institution, conducted a strategic dialogue with India on behalf of President Clinton from 1998 to 2001
arun wrote:I fervently pray that our Congress led Government will not commemorate the visit of the US Secretary of State by shocking us all with a Shram El Sheikh like sequel on the climate change and nuclear non-proliferation issues:
It is not as bad:
The US administration knows it cannot coax or bully India into formally joining the NPT, nor will it renege on the civil nuclear deal it inherited from Mr Bush.
However, what still needs improvement is:
These steps would make India’s region safer, since Pakistan might follow suit in a positive direction, just as it did in a negative one when it conducted a nuclear test shortly after India’s in 1998.
First of all it will not make India's region safer .................. China is in "India's region".
Second, these learned people still think about CTBT/NPT - ALL global "treatise" - locally, as in "India's region". A prescription for sure failure.
The US remains “committed” to the civil nuclear agreement but also wants to engage with India in global non-proliferation efforts, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said ahead of her India visit.
The US remains “committed” to the civil nuclear agreement but also wants to engage with India in global non-proliferation efforts, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said ahead of her India visit.
The US remains “committed” to the civil nuclear agreement but also wants to engage with India in global non-proliferation efforts, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said ahead of her India visit.
Let's start with Chinese nukes!
why only chinese nuke...why not usa nukes.It was usa who 1st developed nukes and it was only usa till now who used nukes.so it must be usa who shuold denuke itself 1st making itself as role model to the world.
Somebody needs to put this into the mind of the messiah that if he can disarm US nukes, he shall leave behind a great legacy (well if he can do that, the legacy shall last for a few hours at max, depending on how soon can panda's nukes fly out & hit US). Chances are he will fall for it and make some noises. Well nothing will ever come out of it, but surely it would be fun to watch the reactions of Foggy Bottom and the ayatollahs, not to mention the mil & Republicans.
MMS the arch dhimmi and Manchurian candidate (or in other words the Yindian messiah), can be used here to deliver this message to the 'O'riginal messiah.
Non proliferation and CTBT have never been about global disarmament ...common I thought we have a consensus on that on BRF. And yes this is one issue which imho India has tackled very beautifully i.e. by talking about verifiable Global disarmament .
NPA's along with the P-5 have always used NPT,CTBT as a means of restricting the members of the nuke club and they have been in a way successful by getting capable countries like JPN and Germany sign such rags. It is India which has caused major takleef to the former for despite denial of technology and little external help we managed to explode a device in 74 and marched ahead.
Obama admin and NPA's imo now see an importunity to corner India given the latter's energy concerns ; so it is obvious that Clinton would bring up these issues in her visit but then as I said earlier this is one area where I am very satisfied with the GOI's stand (until now) and I don't see why we won't be able to stick to our guns going forward.
Ok so we are seeing the endgame of the Nuke deal where the next US president (identical to the previous ones to all but total m.........) strips draupdai of her clothes.
Sanku wrote:Ok so we are seeing the endgame of the Nuke deal where the next US president (identical to the previous ones to all but total m.........) strips draupdai of her clothes.
You cant fault MMS he IS sincere and loyal though
The one who has fetish to enjoy the srtiptease is on the way to Dilli. of cource via Mumbai to pay some token shradhanjali.
someone ought to state the obvious to Oshama's govt..
When the Indian PM has his guns to the terrorists (pak army/ISI) head and they are begging for mercy, giving concession means being magnanimous.
But when the terrorists(Pak ISI) have their guns to India's head, giving concession to them is cowardice!
That's what the left of India and the left of the world want of India. They cheer lead and nudge Indians to be magnanimous when the terrorists are holding their guns to India's head.
Hillary Clinton meets the people who survived the 26/11 attacks. What purpose does it serve? Bill Clinton had met the widow of the person killed in Kandahar hijack. Did it lead to any US pressure on Pakistan to stop terror on India. On the contrary, terron in India has grown manifold since then.
It is just taking advantage of these poor folks for some photo-op.
I'm reminded of assurances by Al-Quolin bin Powell in 2002, during Op Parakram, that Musharraf would take action against terrorists in his country. The same drama of catch-and-release because of "no evidence" was enacted then.
rsingh wrote:Clinton says we may see some actions by Bakistan on terrorists ( demanded by India) within next few days................just heard in live telecast.
and thankful that Hillary is using her own common sense.
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