Bharat Rakshak

Moderators, I know I am not even a BRFite, let alone an Oldie. I am not reporting this specific post, but the whole thread. This thread is allegedly about YSR, the man, his mission and his legacy. But, all you get in this thread are posts with totally wild theories of humungous GOI search operations, caste equations, religious conversions etc. Why should this be tolerated? How is this furthering Bharat-Rakshak's mandate? I have no dog in this fight. My political sympathies have always been anti-Congress, but not the extent of being able to tolerate absolute rubbish being dished out regarding the GOI Leadership and the AP Govt. Leadership. I request that this thread be closed. This request can be made public to everyone on the thread. I hope the Moderator team takes the appropriate decision in this matter.

But, all you get in this thread are posts with totally wild theories of humungous GOI search operations, caste equations, religious conversions etc.

Whats wrong with that?

the eyes of a fairly educated and diverse cross section of Indians & other countries

Whats wrong with that?

This thread has been reported.

I admit I had no interest in following this thread since its beginning. However, what the reporter says, unfortunately is not entirely untrue of BRF community. This thread has lived its time and I will soon close it, leaving some time for people to post their closing thoughts, if any. May the man rest in peace and may people gain more perspective.

Now, before locking can you tell if there is a way to download this thread there are some interesting links that members posted

KSKumar=one of the other moderators

click on Print view all posts in this topic at the top of the page and save the html.

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1) EAM returning due to YSR copter crash is not established. Please read my link
above.

Krishna's flight makes emergency landing in Karachi
Press Trust Of India
TimePublished on Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 23:48, Updated on Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:36 in India section
Islamabad: An Emirates Airline aircraft flying from Dubai to New Delhi with External Affairs Minister S M Krishna on board was diverted to the Pakistani port city of Karachi on Thursday night due to bad weather in Indian airspace.

Krishna, who was in Brazil on an official visit, had cut short his trip and was returning to New Delhi following the death of Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy in a chopper crash.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/s-m-krishnas ... 621-3.html

Hyd-bound Krishna goes round and round
Seema Guha / DNA
Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:26 IST


New Delhi: External affairs minister SM Krishna arrived in Bangalore from Dubai on Friday by a United Arab Emirates flight after his previous flight to New Delhi had to make an emergency landing in Karachi late on Thursday due to bad weather in the national capital.
"Krishna took Emirates flight EK-564 from Dubai at 3.30 am (local time) and arrived here at 9.10 IST. He is fine and resting," his official adviser said.

Pakistan, which desperately wants foreign secretary Nirupama Rao to visit the country after the Sharm-el-Sheikh disaster, could not make much use of Krishna's unplanned stop in Karachi. The plane refuelled in Karachi and no passenger was allowed to step out. The minister slept through the halt and the plane returned to Dubai.

Krishna, who was returning from Brazil after the India-Brazil-South Africa (IBSA) meet, had taken the Emirates flight from Dubai to New Delhi. Bad weather conditions in Delhi forced the flight to divert to Karachi. Krishna later took the first flight available from Dubai to Bangalore.

Krishna was returning to India after curtailing his four-day official visit to Brasilia on hearing about the tragic death of Andhra Pradesh chief minister YS Rajasekhara Reddy.

"The original schedule was to reach Hyderabad from New Delhi on Friday morning to pay homage to the departed leader. Since the flight from Dubai to New Delhi could not land on Thursday night, Krishna flew to Bangalore, as there was no direct flight to Hyderabad from Dubai in the early hours," the official said.

"We returned to Dubai around midnight (local time) and took the flight to Bangalore three hours later at 3.30 am as there was no direct flight to Hyderabad," said the the official, who had accompanied Krishna.

Though Krishna was planning to rush to Pulivendala in Kadapa district for Reddy's last rites, inclement weather and rain in the Rayalaseema region prevented him from flying to the venue by a chopper.

"Bad roads and long distance (about 250 km) haveprevented Krishna from going to Pulivendala by road in time for the last rites. Krishna plans to meet Reddy's family at Kadapa or in Hyderabad Saturday," Krishna's official advisor said.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_hy ... nd_1287705

"Well, its a free country and so every one can have an opinion along with his a-hole. "

Regarding EJ activities and YSR. That is more speculation. There are a ton of links on Sangh Parivar's alleged anti-minority and fascist agenda.
That makes is true?
EJism and YSR and foreign money bags is all speculation.
May not be true. May be true. Who knows? Hence, it is speculation and hence my gripes on this thread.

Hyderabad, Sep 10 "Vital clues" have been collected by the high-powered committee of DGCA from the helicopter crash site which visited the dense Nallamalla forest range in Kurnool district of Andhra Pradesh today, official sources said.

YSR's Copter Crash: The Inside Story

September 3, 8 am:
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4.00pm: We were the first journalists to make it to the crash site and my cameraperson Manhoar Reddy was worried that we may not be allowed to shoot at the crash site. But what we witnessed next was most startling. After airlifting the bodies - the government had virtually abandoned the site, even as the Greyhounds and the CRPF men lounged around - local villagers and tribals walked all over the crash site. Picking up stuff and kicking pieces of metal. Far from cordoning off the area - people were allowed to pick up pieces of the helicopter and walk away.
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5.00pm: Before I left the crash site, a local pointed out a dismembered leg to me, clear indication that the commandos who had airlifted the bodies had done a shoddy job of it. We had arrived at the crash site just hours after it was identified from air - it's impossible that the experts had conducted a survey of the area before we came - and by the time we left the crowds were swelling, curious locals thronging the area for a quick dekko. The YSR's crash site had become a public spectacle.

4th September - 2.00am: After more than 24 hours on the road (with forty kilometres of walking in the jungles) we were back in Kurnool feeding visuals of the crash site to the newsroom. But even before the questions about the crash/sabotage could be raised the next morning - our tired souls knew the answer. With this kind of ham handed investigations into the crash - YSR's death will remain just another unsolved air crash.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/masala-noodles/entry/lessons-ysr-taught-sonia
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Well with due respect to the departed soul, in his lifetime the man showed many sterling qualities, YSR moulded democracy in AP in his own feudal mode. Hailing from the drylands of Rayalseema, where barren agriculture and lack of industry made an industry out of violence and extortion, YSR was quite feudal in his impulses. Having been in politics for 31 years - much of it in wilderness - YSR devised his own framework of governance that he started implementinng the moment he came to office in 2004. Simplistically stated this framework was an adaptation of the old zamindari system: under this YSR parcelled demarcated areas of the state to his loyal followers (who were elected as MLAs and MPs from these areas). Within the jurisidisction of these areas, these loyal followers were the kings - they were free to do anything (within limits) using the state's administrative machinery. In return, YSR wanted their loyalty and resources for the party kitty. Also they were supposed to propogate YSR's cause and generally not do anything that would hurt his image and draw the ire of the headquarters in Delhi. After YSR strode to power for the second time in May this year he started fine-tuning this system till the copter crash cut his life short. And he could easily do this because YSR was able to convince the high command before the elections to give him a free hand for allocation of tickets for the legislative assembly. Which meant that most of the party MLAs were personally beholden to him.

It is these loyal followers, used to operating under this feudal system that masquerades as a democratic set-up, who see the collapse of their fortunes if Jagan is not made chief minister. Little wonder they are moving heaven and earth to ensure the accession of Jagan.
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Eleven of the 33 party MPs from Andhra Pradesh met Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee [ Images ], who is expected to go to Hyderabad sometime later for resolving the issue, and put up their case that late Y S Rajasekhara Reddy's [ Images ] son should be given the top job in the state.

under this YSR parcelled demarcated areas of the state to his loyal followers (who were elected as MLAs and MPs from these areas). Within the jurisidisction of these areas, these loyal followers were the kings - they were free to do anything (within limits) using the state's administrative machinery. In return, YSR wanted their loyalty and resources for the party kitty. Also they were supposed to propogate YSR's cause and generally not do anything that would hurt his image and draw the ire of the headquarters in Delhi. After YSR strode to power for the second time in May this year he started fine-tuning this system till the copter crash cut his life short. And he could easily do this because YSR was able to convince the high command before the elections to give him a free hand for allocation of tickets for the legislative assembly. Which meant that most of the party MLAs were personally beholden to him.

It is these loyal followers, used to operating under this feudal system that masquerades as a democratic set-up, who see the collapse of their fortunes if Jagan is not made chief minister. Little wonder they are moving heaven and earth to ensure the accession of Jagan.

Lets see, what we are speculating here. You posted EAM news and said Krishna was to return on Sep 1st. But the reports clearly say that Krishna was to stay and attend IBSA Trilateral commission meeting On Sep 2nd. Also the news item of Krishna cutting short his trip came from PTI, so if you have a beef with the news take it with them. Just because Hindu did not publish the news does not make it a speculation. I or you dont know what he did in Brazil until the 3rd, because by your assertion he should've left to India on the 1st, but he didnt. So in that case I will believe in the news rather than your assertion.





So if you think that the above news is speculation because MEA/Hindu did not publish it, then its your opinion. After all, as you wrote earlier,




It may be speculation, but then we also do have reports on how Bro.Paul was sidelined and YSR SIL started showing up big time in Andhra. Sure, thats a coincidence. This report is not from Home ministry or Hindu, but then its your prerogative on what to believe.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... ds/421191/

Also, what do you think the forums are for? Its for discussion and we are discussing it. If you have a gripe, feel free to leave the room and while you do don't let the door hit your face on the way out. Rather than that, you got in to a verbal duel and reported the thread for closure.

S M Krishna To Visit Brazil To Finalise IBSA Summit Agenda
Last Updated: 2009-08-28T10:05:58+05:30





Union Minister for External Affairs, S.M. Krishna, will be departing for Brazil on Friday to confirm the scheduled of the 4th IBSA summit. The countries which are part of IBSA include India, Brazil and South Africa.

According to the spokesperson of External Ministry, Vishnu Prakash, the meeting of the India-Brazil joint commission will be attended by Krishna on Monday.

He will be participating in the ministerial meeting of the IBSA countries Tuesday (i.e., 2nd September) ahead of their summit, likely in November. No dates have been fixed.
IBSA is an attempt to pull together the growing economies of Africa and Latin America so that they have a higher influence in the international arena. The three countries seek to synergise their clout on global issues ranging from multilateral trade talks and climate change to the UN reforms and energy security.

The first IBSA summit was held in Brazil in 2006, followed by the Johannesburg summit in 2007. New Delhi hosted the third IBSA summit last year.

Kumar you make several good & valid points. Please continue to question with a calm voice, maybe it will serve as "checks and balances" for this thread and in turn good data points and connections will be found.

Let me ask you this question: Do you think EJ has ramifications on internal security and sovereignty of India?

Kumar:
Thanks. I agree the debate is how successful they really are. Considering what is happening in the North East of India, Orissa and elsewhere one can definitely say such activities leads to tension and local law and order issues. Like you have an opinion, I have my opinion that YSR's regime went beyond other regimes in directly/indirectly helping the EJs.

Honest debates will be possible only if people with different points of view show up and all sides discuss calmly. One would say you are the most vociferous person from your side

Nothing can be done about people coming to any conclusion about YSR or his family. People have come to their conclusions on Nehru, Patel, Gandhi ithyadi figures of the nation - YSR is fair game. Whatever conclusions people arrive will be their own and not of the forums, moderators, webmasters or hosts.

YSR was such a personality that his death has attracted all sorts of attention - both good and bad. We have discussed how YSR's actions have stood on CBN' actions in bringing welfare to AP (again there has been debate on that too).

Your points are valuable to the discussion. And I hope you don't take criticisms of YSR to be criticisms on Christians. If some of us are lying, hope you point that out.

@kskumar
When corruption was happening through Maytas which was conduit to divert public money to politicians. Similar noises were made that there is no proof. It was only downturn and subsequent market crashes exposed the Satyam dealings with Maytas.

If markets didn't crash, that scandal would have remained as CT forever.

Nobody is going to give a report with proof on bad deeds so we can be convinced. Even then some people may choose to bury their head in sand to see, hear, smell what is happening.

Let's get back to subject matter instead of discussing on members

Satyam money being siphoned off in collaboration with YSR's family/friends/colleagues is still a Conspiracy theory. Is there any proof?

The only thing people come up with is, how can Raju have done this without YSR's help? Suspicion is not proof.

quote="KSKumar" quote="ShyamSP" @kskumar
When corruption was happening through Maytas which was conduit to divert public money to politicians. Similar noises were made that there is no proof. It was only downturn and subsequent market crashes exposed the Satyam dealings with Maytas.

If markets didn't crash, that scandal would have remained as CT forever.

Nobody is going to give a report with proof on bad deeds so we can be convinced. Even then some people may choose to bury their head in sand to see, hear, smell what is happening.

Let's get back to subject matter instead of discussing on members

Satyam money being siphoned off in collaboration with YSR's family/friends/colleagues is still a Conspiracy theory. Is there any proof?

The only thing people come up with is, how can Raju have done this without YSR's help? Suspicion is not proof.

Check where were all Maytas invested and how Maytas trumped others on Metro project. Also check my earlier post on how they transfer money to YSR/Jagan projects.

This thread has been reported.

Same thing we have been discussing. Feudalistic setup was how pre-NTR Congress used to be. YSR made old style relevant to win at current times by creating district lords and regional overlords - some of the names were mentioned in earlier posts. Of course central congress itself is feudalistic so we can't pick on YSR alone on that matter

As a matter of fact, EJ and foreign funding is a matte for the Union Govt. to act on. If they do not act on it (as indeed they do not, for EJ as well as Wahabbi funding), the local Govts. can do squat. You cannot arrest foreigners or Indian working on coversions, especially if the said foreigners are on a missionary visa. Guess who controls issues of visas?