I hope you are not referring to Buran here?

Buran though similar in appearance to NASA shuttles was not a clone.

it was a very different design with a very different design philosophy and a great one at that.

In fact Buran-Energiya was one of the greatest aerospace endeavours of all time. it is a sad that they cannot be brought back.

It says that using dual-mode guidance provides greater resistance to electronic countermeasures when both modes are used in terminal engagement. In the semi-active mode the radar target illumination can be terminated by the pilot at a predetermined point when the missile's active seeker is within acquisition range. AGAT declines to provide exact figures on the seeker's acquisition range, but says that it is "considerably in excess of 25km".

Hi Igorr

today I was reading a blog which I have also posted in MRCA thread...It talk of some upgraded version of AL-41F engine with thrust to weight ratio of 14-15..!!!

Do you have any say....over it.

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China has agreed to sell Pakistan at least 36 advanced fighter jets in a landmark deal worth as much as $1.4bn, according to Pakistani and western officials.

Beijing will supply two squadrons of the J-10 fighter jet in a preliminary agreement that could lead to more sales to Pakistan in the future, said a Pakistani official.

The official said Pakistan might buy “larger numbers” of the multi-role aircraft in the future, but dismissed reports that Pakistan had inked a deal to buy as many as 150 of the fighter jets.

Defence experts described the agreement with China as a landmark event in Pakistan’s defence relationship with the growing military power. China’s transition from a manufacturer of low-fighters to more advanced jets comparable to some western models is seen as evidence of Beijing’s growing strategic clout in Asia.

“This agreement should not simply be seen in the narrow context of Pakistan’s relations with China,” said Abdul Qayyum, a retired Pakistani general.

“There is a wider dimension. By sharing its advanced technology with Pakistan, China is ... also saying to the world that its defence capability is growing rapidly.”

China has supplied Pakistan with fighter jets for more than three decades. But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft. Islamabad turned to France for Mirage fighter jets in the 1970s and to the US for F-16s in the 1980s.

Pakistan has a fleet of 45 F-16s, which are built by Lockheed Martin. The Pakistani air force is using the fighter jet in its campaign against militants in South Waziristan. The US has agreed to sell Islamabad another 18 new F-16s and about a dozen older versions of the aircraft.

Over the past decade, China and Pakistan have collaborated on building their first jointly produced advanced fighter jet, known as the JF-17, or “Thunder”. Pakistan is expected to roll out the first domestically built version of the Thunder within weeks.

Pakistan’s air force plans to purchase at least 250 of the Thunder fighters over the next four to five years. Experts see the new Pakistani focus on China as a supplier of advanced fighters as evidence that Beijing is trying to expand its military power.

“Countries like Iran and possibly some of the Middle Eastern countries would be keen to deal with China if they can find technology which is comparable to the west,” said one western official in Islamabad.

“Pakistan will work as the laboratory to try out Chinese aircraft. If they work well with the Pakistani air force, others will follow.”

Pakistan in Chinese fighter jet deal

Seems China answer to India for allowing Dalai Lama visit AP.

In late February 2006 the former President of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, was shown the J-10 and JF-17 production facilities, also taking the opportunity to sit in the cockpits of both aircraft. He later said the Chinese had offered to sell the J-10 to Pakistan and the offer would be considered by the government and air force.[9] On 12 April 2006 the Pakistani cabinet approved the purchase of at least 36 J-10. On 7 March 2009 ACM Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed, then Chief of the Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force, stated that the high-tech fighters would be designated FC-20 and two squadrons (36 aircraft) would be delivered to the PAF in 2014-2015, after some improvements in accordance with PAF requirements.

Perhaps the other way around. India allowed DL to visit Tawang because the Chinese .......................?

On a side note, any news on Saras?

Widespread reports surface that Pakistan has signed a $1.4 billion contract for 36 of CATIC’s Jian-10 fighters, which will be known as FC-20 in Pakistan. The deal is described as a preliminary agreement, and there are reports that Pakistan may eventually be interested in acquiring up to 150 of these aircraft.

War, implementation of defense policy, military exercises ... If you make money. One reason for the fall of the most fascinating empire that once existed, the Roman Empire, is partly due to the reasons econômicas.O beginning of the end for Rome, was when he began to mix the less noble metals used in silver drachma. Portanto, dinheiro é tudo. Therefore, money is everything.

A significant share of the value of a fighter due to its engine. Along the same lines, more than one third (1 / 3) of the cost of maintaining the vector is due to the turbine of the same.

The turbine used in the Gripen Ng and the Super Hornet is the same. The only difference is that the first uses only one, while the second uses two.

As in civilian life, as in the military, all done in scale becomes cheaper.

The turbine that drives these two vectors, the F414 is a best seller. ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED MORE THAN 860 TURBINES far. The U.S. Navy, this year alone, ordered more than 90.

The F414 is considered the favorite in the race for the vector engine Hal Tejas Indian (the other is the competitor-EJ200 Typhoon), because the turbine Kaveri has suffered problems and more problems, both reliability and power. Among other things, the favorite is because it is listed on Dollar, while the European is quoted in EUROS.

The Indians, who have already opened the tender for the purchase of these turbines, totaling U.S. $ 750 (seven hundred and fifty million dollars). Only in this contract will be purchased 100 turbines. They say the Indian Air Force will need 80 more.

In fact, more than 40 turbines F 404, which is the predecessor of F414, has been delivered to the project Hal Tejas. The Indian Air Force decided in 2008 to acquire a more powerful turbine for your game.

The devaluation of the dollar against many international currencies will be a burden to everyone, but especially for Europeans. In Brazil, the industry is desperate, pushing the central bank to buy the U.S. currency to try (in my opinion, unsuccessfully), hold your quote.

I'm scared to think that from June 2010, the Alt-A mortgages and Option ARM will win.

From June 2010 until 2011, more than 500 billion Dollars, depicting the securities referred to above will have their interest and methods of payment are fixed.

The states most affected are California and Florida. In California, there is no money to pay salaries.

The Terminator and California Governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, had to ask for an emergency loan of very many billions to the Federal Government.

All that to say that the dollar will not strengthen in value against the Real. To be honest with everyone here on the blog, the only chance of that happening will be if there is an echo bubble, but even so, the appreciation of Uncle Sam be a short one.

Just to go a little further, South Korea uses in his brand new trainers supersonic T50 Golden Eagle (already built more than 50), the F404 engines. As I said before, they are the predecessors of the F414. The F404 equip Gripen and the Hornets. While the F414 equip Gripen NG and Super Hornet.

The Korean coach is battling various competitions around the world. There is a project to equip it with the F414.

Gentlemen, it's all about scale. Price, readiness ... is a matter of scale.

The Rafale has not and never have the same scale (= price) that the Super Hornet and Gripen NG offer. The acquisition cost of the turbines and the Rafale, mainly for its maintenance, are very high. First, its range is limited. Second, is quoted in EUROS.

This time, the time of flight of the Rafale is expensive. To take a simple idea, since 2004, the Ministry of Defense has pursued a plan to reduce costs related primarily to the turbine Rafale. At that time, the cost of flight hours of the vector French was 34,000 euros. Today, the cost is at 9800 euros and not dollars.

The French press has already been questioned about this reduction enorme.Para been a part of the reduction is due to downsizing and better management of certain protocols. But for many of the analysts, the cost of 9,800 euros, is because THE GREAT BENEFIT EXISTING.

For comparison, the time of flight of the Gripen NG is $ 4,500.

The time of flight of the Super Hornet is $ 7,000.

The time of flight Rafale is 9800 euros (14,400 U.S. DOLLARS).

In real we: Gripen NG - 7900 REAL; Super Hornet - 12,300 REAL, REAL Rafale-25,300.

FRIENDS, LOOK AT THE CUCUMBER IS Rafale: France plans HAVE SOMETHING AROUND 340 VECTOR. Many years passed, AND THE NUMBER OF VECTORS TO BE ACQUIRED HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 294. Some time passed ... AND THE NUMBER OF RAFALE BEEN REDUCED to a mere 286!

SINCE 2000, a ridiculous number of 75 Rafale HUNTS ARE DELIVERED IN TOTAL!

Of today, The Gallic SITUATION IS EVEN WORSE, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DEFICIT FRENCH IS ABOUT 8.5% of its GDP.

AWARE, ladies and gentlemen, THE FACT THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM WILL BUY ONLY 50 F35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER FROM A TOTAL OF 138 PREVIOUSLY PLANNED.

The Netherlands will SAME WAY: A 85 F35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER initially requested, NOW HAVE SAID ABOUT THE CANCELLATION OF PURCHASE.

IN BOTH CASES THE REASON IS THE SAME: VECTOR is CARO, MAINTENANCE IS YOUR FACE. IN BRIEF: NO MONEY.

As an example, ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE UNION, The Actuarial advertising shall not exceed 3% of GDP. THE UNITED KINGDOM TO ARRIVE 12.4%.

Is naive to think A DREAM THAT WE HAVE MONEY TO BUY A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF SUCH VECTORS FRENCH.

NAIVE IS ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE CONDITIONS operate them and maintenance THEM, FOR A decent minimum.

SOME FRIENDS HERE'S BLOG CAN SAY THAT Rafale is CHEAPER THAN F35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER. TRUE, BUT IS IT TRUE THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM IS VERY RICH AND DEVELOPED MORE THAN BRAZIL.

Its military budget is far greater than ours.

I do not want to hold competitions in the past that the Rafale lost (Netherlands, South Korea, Singapore, Morocco ...). I do not care if the Rafale has lost at Quesito price, quality, political, because it no longer comes to the case.

We only keep in mind that: competition lost Rafale unsold = = = Lack of scale prices higher.

There are left many countries with economic capacity to buy the vector French, but let's see: Switzerland just halt the purchase of fighter planes.

Even when the program was in full swing, it was known that the Rafale would be a feasible option, because the budget that the Air Force Switzerland had made it available for (U.S. $ 2 billion), just not enough to buy the vector Gaul desirable in numbers.

The Swiss will decide by plebiscite whether there will be a moratorium on re-equipment program for its air force. If approved, it will be worth of 1/01/2010 to 31/12/2019. Otherwise, the Air Force still has hopes of putting that $ 2 billion in Budget 2011.

Libya, initially, according to press reports, wanted 18 Rafale, then the number dropped to 14, and finally to 12 (may fall to 0). Libya is a small country with a GDP / per capita income modest.

The Gaddafi has, on several occasions to express their willingness to buy the Sukhoi. For all said, if Libya was a democracy, I would say she would not buy anything. How is a dictatorship, I give the benefit of the doubt.

The UAE is a special case. This is a country with a small population, but with a robust GDP. However, between 2004 and 2006, came to the United 80 F-16 Block 60 Desert Falcon (the most modern in the market).

They say a good part of these fabulous fighters were on the floor, or have been underutilized because there was not enough pilots. Well this is being rectified with the purchase of 48 F-346, the estimated value of $ 1.5 Billion. Veremos, no futuro, o real valor do contrato. We will see in the future, the real value of the contract.

In 2003, 32 brand new Mirage 2000-9 were acquired by Emirates and a contract to upgrade 30 Mirage 2000-9 for the standard was signed. Initially, it was reported the desire to buy 60 Rafale, in exchange for France should receive the 62 Mirage 2000-9 back.

In a second time, said that the UAE would buy a lot from 14 to 28 fighters. ... In short, nobody knows if they will buy the Rafale. If they buy, the sale will be subject to return at least 32 Mirage 2000-9.

Question: France will accept? What to do with this bunch of Mirage? In times of crisis, sales are scarce, so you can not envision that France pass these fighters.

The Emirates are a small country, with about 6 million inhabitants. However, 140 has impressive brand new fighter aircraft (F-16 Block 60 and Mirage 2000-9). As mentioned above, and oddly enough, has fewer drivers than would be desirable to operate them.

Frankly, anything is possible, however be difficult to achieve the agreement of sale.

The Kuwait has said he does not want the Rafale. Nevertheless, the press lives by planting false information.

Its banks have given a very strong in Eastern Europe. It's a joke think they will buy Rafale. Therefore, they will not buy or Rafale, nor Rafel, or Rafil or Rafol or Raful. YOUR PUBLIC DEFICIT TO ARRIVE AWESOME 13% OF GDP. Never too late to remember that the limit is 3% of GDP.

About Brazil and India. I need not comment.

They say that the value of the Rafale in the international market ranging from 64 to 70 million Euros.

They say that Dassault has reduced the price to something around 55 to 60 million Euros.

Dassault swears he has not reduced and they will not reduce anything.

Admiral Edouard Guillard, Chief of Staff particular President Sarkozy, has already confirmed that the time of flight vector French is 9800 Euros. On the same occasion, said the flight hours of the Super Hornet is 7,000 dollars. He said that the vector French is the most expensive among the competitors of the F-X2.

To make matters worse, France will only guarantee the flight time of 9,800 Euros for 10 years (then, whatever God wills).

SINCE 1998, HAVE ALREADY BEEN DELIVERED MORE THAN 400 SUPER HORNET. FOR THE YEAR 2010, OVER 31 WILL BE DELIVERED TO U.S. Navy, while the Australian Air Force received 16 (out of 24).

The Gripen NG, contrary to what many think, is not a new airplane, but an upgrade of the existing one. He will count on the same tested and super turbine Super Hornet ... A large part of its fuselage is equal to the Gripen. This is a project with some risk, but much smaller than imagined, since it is an upgrade and not a new game. Your main cost (turbine) will be in Dollars.

Your radar, Raven Vixen 1000, derived from Caesar (the future of the Typhoon AESA radar). To cut a long story short, since 2003 (actually, long before, in 1993) Selex Galileo, is developing an AESA radar for the Typhoon. In 2006, the Caesar flew for the first time. Flight of the Raven Vixen 1000 Gripen NG is expected later in the month of November.

As we know, Selex Galileo has already developed a huge range of AESA radars: Peaks, Seaspray 7000E, Seaspray 5000E, 500E Vixen, Vixen ... 1000ES

SINCE 1996, NEARLY 218 GRIPEN AVAILABLE "BASIS.

SAAB, BY CONTRACT, PROMISE TO BUILD, GREAT PART OF MATING Gripen NG IN BRAZIL (FROM THE FIRST VECTOR).

TWO NEW FRENCH INFORMATION PROVIDED BY, THE FIRST 6 VECTORS PRODUCED AND WILL BE MOUNTED IN FRANCE, AS THAT WOULD LAST 30 MOUNTED PARTLY PRODUCED IN BRAZIL.

PRODUCTION OF PARTS TO GET IN BRAZIL, FROM THE VECTOR 7 ONWARDS (in contrast with the Old Town where we were to produce ONLY THEM, FROM THE GAME 37).

UP THIS PARTY WAS FINDING GREAT, BUT ALL AWARE THAT THE FRENCH CONSORTIUM EXPECTED TO AT LEAST 50% OF PARTS ARE PRODUCED IN BRAZIL TO THE ISSUE OF 36 AIRCRAFT.

WELL, AS SEEN, JUST WAITING FOR THE WORD INDICATES AN INTENT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BECOME REALITY.

CAN IT BE THAT THE PRODUCTION OF PARTS is less than 1%.

I DO NOT KNOW, BUT YOU ALSO DO NOT KNOW.

READING THE TEXT, it appears NOT BEEN PLACED IN FRENCH FOR A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE.

I HOPE TO BE RICH. WILL I BE?

GOOD INTENTIONS, THE HELL IS ... WELL YOU KNOW THE REST.

WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PRICE OF PURCHASE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE MOST HIGHS VECTOR FRENCH, THERE WILL BE THE GAME 37.

Therefore, all must be so careful!

Purchase 36 HUNTS FOR SPRUCE OUR SHEDS. AT LEAST HAVE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND SHEDS CHIC IN LATIN AMERICA.

Assuming (= Admiral Guillard) that the Rafale is the most expensive of the 3.

Based on figures already published extensively in the press, we can do a little exercise:

Brazil Gripen NG: 50 to 55 million dollars = 86 to 94 reais Milo.

Super Hornet: 55 to 60 million dollars = 94 to 103 million reais.

Rafale: 64 to 70 Euros = 95 to 104 million dollars = 165 180 million reais.

Rafale: 55 to 60 million Euros = 82 to 90 million dollars = 141 million to 154 million reais (WITH REDUCED PRICE, THEY WILL NOT swear PRACTICE).

THE FOREGOING IS ONLY A YEAR OR THE JURA DASSAULT THAT WILL NOT REDUCE THE PRICE OF YOUR VECTOR. ACCORDINGLY, WE FEAR AN EVEN GREATER PRICE VECTOR GAULES.

Just to compare, the CEO of Eurofighter GmbH, has already spoken, publicly, about the price of the new Eurofighter tranche 3A: 58 million euro = 86 million dollars = 150 million reais.

As the scale of the Rafale is infinitely smaller than the Typhoon ... Take your own conclusions.

We know that over 75% of the Brazilian Air Force (as in the other arms) goes to pay pensions and wages, not investment in weaponry and training its military.

The Army reduced the workload of their recruits, because it has money to offer the ranch (food).

The fighter has to be constantly flying, is to patrol our airspace, is to train our pilots.

Aircraft do not fly, no good. Pilot non-flying, ibid.

Remember: Thirst is nothing, scale is everything.

MD, Nelson Jobim, has indicated that the Rafale is who will win, because on several occasions refused to meet with representatives of SAAB and Boeing, but not from Dassault.

President Lula has said in good and high tone that the Rafale is the winner. The first time was on the fateful September 7 and the second time was weeks later. On September 7 was published by all major Brazilian newspapers. The second time was published in The Washington Post.

Well, as the decision is political, it remains to recall that this choice is the President of the Republic, and his alone.

Perhaps the other way around. India allowed DL to visit Tawang because the Chinese .......................?

That is well within the realms of possibility; and if that is the case Kudos to GoI, heck Kudos to GoI for letting him visit in any case!

Alenia’s M346 advanced trainer and light attack jet began life in 1993, as a collaboration with Russia. It was also something of a breakthrough for Alenia Aermacchi, confirming that the Finmeccanica subsidiary could autonomously design and manufacture advanced aircraft with full authority quadriplex Fly-by-Wire controls. Those controls, the aircraft’s design for vortex lift aerodynamics, and a thrust:weight ratio of nearly 1:1 from its Fiat Avio/Honeywell ITEC F124-GA-200 turbofans, allow it to remain fully controllable even at angles of attack over 35 degrees. This is useful for simulating the capabilities of advanced 4+ generation fighters like the F/A-18 Super Hornet, Eurofighter, and Rafale. Not to mention Sukhoi’s SU-30 family, which has made a name for itself at international air shows with remarkable nose-high maneuvers.